If Kinkaid's fleet caught up with Kurita's, what would have happened? I say that the two Kongo's and Nagato would have been lost with Yamato being driven off suffering considerable damage, but not before sinking one battleship, with 2 more badly damaged.
If the Japanese had one the decisive battle at the Philippines, what would the losses to the us navy looked like, and what would the us navy likely do in afterwards
I recently stumbled across the American's version of Surcouf, the Cruiser Submarine Type 2 (and Type 3) a 13,500 ton monster with eight 8 inch guns, do you have any further information on these vessels and how well they would have worked if they'd been built?
I had a thought resently about battle carriers, I know in real life the only one that were built were done in desperation, but do you think it could've been possible for the Battle carrier to have been the next evolution of the Battlecruiser? Given that the thought behind Battlecruisers was for them to out gun anything smaller then them while also being fast enough to outrun comparable battleships, You'd think that adding the capability to launch a couple of squadrons of fighters or other attack craft could help with scouting and harasing smaller ships.
im thinking what a giant drachinifel really is. he puts out content at about 3-4 posts weekly, researched, materials, ... and these are usually not tiny, pathetic 1-minute things, but very detailed vids indeed. a giant in our times!!
The heavy cruisers, interwar bomber development, the french pre-dreadnaughts... why is it that whenever the French try their hand at developing a series of military vehicles, the results make everyone else look at them and go, o_O;;;;?
@@LaraineBouguer They did get it right sometimes. The French completely reinvented what a tank should look like, and everyone pretty much copies that design forever after.
The best thing about Drachinifel is his honesty. If he doesn't know something he will say so. Well that and his ability to find and present the very obscure information in a way that is informative and very interesting.
It really is incredible how the French fleet turned itself around with such amazing designs going into the 1930s. It's a shame the Saint Louis wasn't completed, like you noted. I'm reading Jordan & Dumas' French Battleships, and the complete 180 from lagging behind to world-leading across the entire fleet is wild. It's so neat how just a few key design and philosophy changes - and the political will to commit to the changes - can make such a difference in what's built.
France rapidly went from some of the very worst WW1 designs to some of the very best WW2 designs. It’s crazy. It’s such a shame so much of their navy didn’t actually get to see much action.
that's just the French military in a nutshell, either: -world leading -desperately outmoded no in betweens, the army was much the same, had some of the worst weapons designs for a modern industrial war, but a breadth of newer, extremely modern equipment was either on the verge of being produced in numbers, or in the end stages of designing so that full production by 1941 wouldn't have been out of the question
The problem is that the actually excellent French designs came about at a time when they were becoming conceptually obsolete thanks to the rise of naval aviation…
Funny that there were only a few battlecruisers in existence that can catch them, but a whole ocean of destroyers that can and will blow them out of the water instead.
The Algerie is such a pretty ship. Very clean lines and not too cluttered. The tower seems slightly similar to the Dutch De Ruyter and the Graf Spee, but then certainly better looking than the De Ruyter.
a ship that might be blown up by an especially high speed seagull.... i now have to mop up some tea that was spilt laughing at this.... love your vids.
It was said that the German cruisers of the Königsberg class were freshwater ships. Something similar can be said about the cruisers of the Duquesne class, although they looked more elegant, were a little faster and better armed, but were less "armored" - and that's what they were. A duel between Dusquene and Königsberg would have been interesting - whether the German ship would break apart first or the French ship would be turned into a kind of steel Swiss cheese first would be exciting. The question of which were the worst cruisers of the interwar period is also open. To be fair, the German designers had to make do with 6000 ts, while their French colleagues had 4000 ts more at their disposal.
At one point in time in my youth - me and my War Gaming Buddies - held a Round Robin of the Worlds WWII Navies. We had all played the Avalon Hill _Jutland_ game but one of the guys in the group had created his own set of Naval Rules. Each side would have several Battleships, Cruisers and Destroyers. This was surface combat and Airplanes Ruined that - so no Carriers. . The First match up was between the French and Italians but I don't remember the details of the ships involved. It's to bad I can't remember any more about the French ships used as these may well have been among them. The Italians won - and went on to fight the British - who went on to fight the Germans - who went on to fight the Americans - who went on to fight the Japanese where they won as well. Of course - this wasn't just ship quality that determined the winner - as the players would be the major determinant. I don't believe we had any fixed teams. We'd just have a match at someone's house and choose up sides then. We all drank beer together every Friday Night (unless we had a date) and sometimes played War Games Saturday Night. Sadly, like most groups of young men - ours was destroyed by women. .
Great video as always, just one remark (as always, when talking about French navy): "Marine nationale" should be pronounced as "nasionale", not "nashionale".
@@martinmarheinecke7677 I would personally like to hear more about Italian cruisers such as the Trento's ,Zara's and all the extremely fast light cruisers built for the Regia Marina
As a 60 year-old "wargamer" and treadhead, these are great stuff. Tanks I know...ships, esp. those of non-US navies, interwar...not much at all. Thanks!
Actually the French initially did not plan for 21 new cruisers. Some jobsworth (being French) filed an order for 21 croissants. There was a typo and instead of admitting to the mistake the Marine National (being French) declared that this was the plan all along.
An interesting point I'd like to add is that Dupleix basically had the same weight on armour protecting the machinery and magazine spaces as Algerie. The only difference in the armour weight came from the better protected turrets and barbette in Algerie compared to Dupleix, it was just very inefficiently in the latter with a 60 mm inner belt and a 30 mm outer one laid all over the place and then when the French suddenly realised after ordering Dupleix they had the weight to spare for a far better protected ship. The French also considered adding the 80 mm deck and 660 lb torpedo protection to the La Galissonieres like with Algerie, but they cost 1200 tons and 400 tons respectively. They didn't want to burden the design with so much weight, even if they would still be treaty compliant after those modifications, at 9500 t standard with those changes, and didn't go through with eithee, with a simplier subdivisions comprised of 2 section outboard of the machinery. It might have also cut the programme to 5 ships due to the increased cost, which the French Navy didn't really want
"An Algérie with 60% more displacement to play with" Maybe they could've gotten really froggy with it. Triple Turret design, more armor......Hell, probably could just completely upscale her and make Algérie into a Large Cruiser.
They still use 1st and 2nd class to describe their warships. The first rank of "frigates" use Dxxx hull numbers, and while not using the destroyer word itself are effectively that while the second rank frigates are all Fxxx hull numbers.
The subsequent and never built Saint Louis, C5 project had a lot of potential. On the biggest versions, that thing could have been fitted with up to 200 mm of belt armor ! Flirting along Battlecruiser specs in terms of protection.
When you mentioned them adding the sea plane (plus attending systems) and still not having spent weight on the powerplant yet, I almost literally threw up my hands.
Cruisers in this period were expected to be the largest ship in a convoy escort or troop transport role and needed eyes in the sky for scouting. A destroyer screen could scout out a few dozen nautical miles around the fleet, a seaplane in good weather could cover hundreds of nautical miles. Radar also helped of course but that came after the time when the ships were being designed.
The French Navy is simultaneously a world premier fighting force projecting absolute power the world over and an utter and compete disaster at a national level that is directly responsible for the fall of the state. Truely they are gifted.
Those ships that went by zip-zip? One Austrian (SMS Novara) and four German light cruisers (SMS Kolberg, SMS Stralsund, SMS Regensburg, SMS Königsberg) From the Wikipedia article on the La Galissonnière class, which has very useful background on inter war cruisers.
Hilariously, the Americans are copying the French and Italian right now. The new Constellation class frigates are essentially just modified FREMM frgates, a class that is already in service in both the French and Italian navies.
Everyone copies the French and the French did copy many. The metric system is French. FWD cars are French. Suspensions, vaccines, tubular steam engines, smoke-less powder for litteraly all modern firearms, guess what, it's French. There are hundreds of French inventions that were copied by the entire World, I have a hard time understanding why such a blatantly false statement is so widely spread.
@@Cailus3542the Americans have since extended and significantly modified said design at great expense and delay 🙈 I believe FREMM was also a joint development with the British until the Brits went towards the Type 45 and French Italians carried on in their way. I believe the Rafale/Euro fighter Typhoon were also a combined project before the designs split off
@@johnedwards3198 yep, France split off because we needed an carrier able plane, while the other nations didn’t. The difference of requirements created two different planes. I wouldn’t be surprised if that story repeated itself with the current design process of the european stealth fighter
I can understand French design philosophy I'm married to a French colonial, and she likes to turn the heat up in the house, and get a great many things done at speed. I'm constantly coming home after work and forced to plead with her to please put some armor on!
dock a few meters of the stern a meter or so from the bow widen the hull a bit to improve seakeeping and you could stick more armor on them or do what the others did and fudge the weight on the stats and build whatever you wanted edit that's what I thought for the Dugay class before the vid continued
I went to Duquesne university in Pittsburgh, can you give us a short history of the name and why it is a university in Pittsburgh and a French ship class?
Around this time, there were top secret memos circulating in the British Admiralty concerning the development of new, highly secret high velocity tungsten cored ammunition for secondary warship batteries, codenamed “mouettes a grand vitesses”
I wonder if the Duquesne-class could have been better ships if they eliminated one of the aft turrets, shortened the ship and used the weight saved for either additional armor or a heavier DP battery, essentially making a French version of the HMS Exeter or IJN Aoba.
Such a tantalising "what if" For beautiful warships, stick around in the Mediterranean in the 1930s. Streamline Moderne lidos with guns. The only thing missing was Fred Astaire doing a tap number on the turrets and quarterdeck 😊
Could the colonial policing and troop transport roles have been accomplished by removing the aft guns and emptying the magazines, then using the space for either fuel tanks or very rough and ready accommodation? Ideally, you'd remove the aft turrets and possibly some of the hoists.
Just imagine what Algerie's designers could have done if they had been given an extra 60% displacement to play with. Jean Marie! Add an extra wine cellar, tout suite!
I wonder how many sailors all over the world died because of the poor ship designs that resulted from the Washington Naval Treaty? Maybe that was the intention of the treaty, to force navies to adopt poor designs and they would be afraid to go to war in them.
The intent of the treaties was to avoid the absurd expense of another naval arms race by severely limiting the size, number and capabilities of new warships. The problem of course is that Navies tried to maximise their fighting power within the terms of the treaties, which lead to some oddly compromised designs.
I mean to be fair, troop ships tended to be at the time converted cargo ships or ocean liners with little to none purpose build before the war and it was only during than it started to take steam since with Colonies, especially one's far away you want a fast ship to transport troops to supress people and troop transport sacrifice speed and a whole lot of it for the capacity they hold.
The worst: Duquesne get a class, (even if only two). The best...gets a single ship. Well done France. Although I suppose the Duquesne had to happen to show just how low a bar you had. So the try must harder ship is Algérie.
I mean look what they IJN cruisers early on in the war managed to do in the war agaisnt the allies, later on they did kind of become useless since not much their torps could do agaisnt air strikes.
It's extra weaponry, torpedoes can hurt or threaten enemy warships and force them to manoeuvre. Also unlike bombs or ammunition, those that aren't pure oxy fuelled don't blow up unless directly hit by a 500 lb bomb or a magazine detonation that would doom the ship regardless. HMS Partridge's torpedoes was directly hit by a 6 in shell and the torpedo warhead still didn't blow up
@UthurRytan Hey, don't get me wrong, torpedoes were useful weapons in WW2. But they are also dangerous to the vessel deploying them. On a Destroyer or Sub, the risk/reward is worth it. But not on Cruisers or Battleships.
@@AndrewGraziani-k7d Unless you mean dangerous as in the torpedo can cause friendly fire or circle around, torpedoes that aren't pure oxy fuel aren't dangerous at all, they don't blow up unless the ship was practically doomed to sink regardless. In addition to not getting blown up by a direct 6 in hit, the torpedo that struck HMS Nelson during Operation Halberd directly into the torpedo storage room didn't set off the other torpedoes, they were removed intact when Nelson returned back to Gibraltar
@UthurRytan Interesting, thank you for the information. But I don't know, live ordnance exposed on deck? In any event, destroyers expect a close in fight, so torpedoes compliment that, while larger ships have a stand-off option. But in the end, it comes down to deck space and displacement. Destroyers need the punch, cruisers, and battleships have better ways to spend that weight, AA guns and deck armor, among other things. As an aside and on the subject of pure O2 torpedoes, I'm no engineer, but I wonder if you could get much of the advantage of 02 by using nitrous oxide while having a much safer, easier to handle weapon system.
Pinned post for Q&A :)
If Kinkaid's fleet caught up with Kurita's, what would have happened? I say that the two Kongo's and Nagato would have been lost with Yamato being driven off suffering considerable damage, but not before sinking one battleship, with 2 more badly damaged.
If the Japanese had one the decisive battle at the Philippines, what would the losses to the us navy looked like, and what would the us navy likely do in afterwards
I recently stumbled across the American's version of Surcouf, the Cruiser Submarine Type 2 (and Type 3) a 13,500 ton monster with eight 8 inch guns, do you have any further information on these vessels and how well they would have worked if they'd been built?
I had a thought resently about battle carriers, I know in real life the only one that were built were done in desperation, but do you think it could've been possible for the Battle carrier to have been the next evolution of the Battlecruiser? Given that the thought behind Battlecruisers was for them to out gun anything smaller then them while also being fast enough to outrun comparable battleships, You'd think that adding the capability to launch a couple of squadrons of fighters or other attack craft could help with scouting and harasing smaller ships.
DAY 95 please could you dry dock on what if the Bismarck broke into the Atlantic
im thinking what a giant drachinifel really is. he puts out content at about 3-4 posts weekly, researched, materials, ... and these are usually not tiny, pathetic 1-minute things, but very detailed vids indeed. a giant in our times!!
Truly
Hear hear!
Well said. He is indeed.
He is indeed
Truly a time bender
"...blown up by an especially high speed seagull..." There is an ever so slightly disturbed side of me that would like to see that.
i have the Randy Johnson exploding bird in my head now.
@@exF3-86 it was called the Shits-X
Jonathan Livingston Seagull has joined the chat "Short wings!"
That line made me spill my coffee! That's what I like about Drachinifel - informative and funny.
I'm just waiting for "Especially High Speed Seagull" merchandise, particularly shirts.
Would said shirts offer protection against especially high speed seagulls?
@@alltat I believe that some of Drach's medieval reenactment mates are proficient in the construction of chainmail.
@@tehllama42 I'm STILL waiting for a shirt with the Kamtchaca on it with "Torpedo Boat!" Repeatedly splayed across it.
@@alltat You're right... hoodies might make more sense
Rex and Drach uploading within 30 minutes, both on Interwar French designs? Wonderful!
Yep, this will be... engineeringly unusual😉
The heavy cruisers, interwar bomber development, the french pre-dreadnaughts... why is it that whenever the French try their hand at developing a series of military vehicles, the results make everyone else look at them and go, o_O;;;;?
@@LaraineBouguer They did get it right sometimes. The French completely reinvented what a tank should look like, and everyone pretty much copies that design forever after.
France produced remarkable Ships, tanks and planes. They managed to be effetive and original on a budget.
Six years! Six and you still haven’t run out of ships to review. Amazing.
I started watching the first year of drydocks recently. 35mins.... :D
rookie numbers!
The best thing about Drachinifel is his honesty.
If he doesn't know something he will say so.
Well that and his ability to find and present the very obscure information in a way that is informative and very interesting.
It really is incredible how the French fleet turned itself around with such amazing designs going into the 1930s. It's a shame the Saint Louis wasn't completed, like you noted.
I'm reading Jordan & Dumas' French Battleships, and the complete 180 from lagging behind to world-leading across the entire fleet is wild. It's so neat how just a few key design and philosophy changes - and the political will to commit to the changes - can make such a difference in what's built.
France rapidly went from some of the very worst WW1 designs to some of the very best WW2 designs. It’s crazy. It’s such a shame so much of their navy didn’t actually get to see much action.
that's just the French military in a nutshell, either:
-world leading
-desperately outmoded
no in betweens, the army was much the same, had some of the worst weapons designs for a modern industrial war, but a breadth of newer, extremely modern equipment was either on the verge of being produced in numbers, or in the end stages of designing so that full production by 1941 wouldn't have been out of the question
The problem is that the actually excellent French designs came about at a time when they were becoming conceptually obsolete thanks to the rise of naval aviation…
Duquesne-class really took "no armor is best armor" to heart
Funny that there were only a few battlecruisers in existence that can catch them, but a whole ocean of destroyers that can and will blow them out of the water instead.
@@panzerschliffehohenzollern4863 can't be sunk by battlecruisers if their destroyer escort sinks you first.
The only armor that matters is plot armor
Taken to a ludicrous place, “the best cruiser to have is not to have a cruiser at all.”
The Algerie is such a pretty ship. Very clean lines and not too cluttered. The tower seems slightly similar to the Dutch De Ruyter and the Graf Spee, but then certainly better looking than the De Ruyter.
I think the zebra camouflage pattern on one of the French cruiser's is just the best!
I’d paint mine as a lion
Sounds like De Grasse?
"Wonderfully Ruthless" is a superb way to describe the square cube law.
“If we drop the speed it’ll be vulnerable to battlecruisers!”
”By Napoleon’s taint! _It’s vulnerable to destroyers!_ “
I think the addition of the tumblehome was done solely to ensure that everyone knew it was a French design.
a ship that might be blown up by an especially high speed seagull.... i now have to mop up some tea that was spilt laughing at this.... love your vids.
I also stopped my tea and had to cough. 😅
@Jayne22 I should have learnt by now that humor may cause tea based issues.
Beautiful deep dive into interwar French Naval thinking in regards to Cruisers. Thank you once again!
Just once at the end of the Squarespace tutorial I would like to hear Drach say "ideally for a midieval re-enactors web page"
It was said that the German cruisers of the Königsberg class were freshwater ships. Something similar can be said about the cruisers of the Duquesne class, although they looked more elegant, were a little faster and better armed, but were less "armored" - and that's what they were. A duel between Dusquene and Königsberg would have been interesting - whether the German ship would break apart first or the French ship would be turned into a kind of steel Swiss cheese first would be exciting. The question of which were the worst cruisers of the interwar period is also open. To be fair, the German designers had to make do with 6000 ts, while their French colleagues had 4000 ts more at their disposal.
Our Trento class would be a great contender too 😂
@@gianmarcodacol1820 Yes, a real Tinclad.
Eventually Drach is gonna have a full complete demonstration and tutorial of everything Squarespace.
You are the best Drach. Thanks for all you do.
Oooh, this was super fun to listen to, and Drach's clear praise and admiration is seriously a pleasant vibe.
Excellent. Hats off to naval architects. 👍🏻🏴
Not to say my life revolves around Drachinifel videos, except for 4 days a week...
At one point in time in my youth - me and my War Gaming Buddies - held a Round Robin of the Worlds WWII Navies.
We had all played the Avalon Hill _Jutland_ game but one of the guys in the group had created his own set of Naval Rules.
Each side would have several Battleships, Cruisers and Destroyers. This was surface combat and Airplanes Ruined that - so no Carriers.
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The First match up was between the French and Italians but I don't remember the details of the ships involved.
It's to bad I can't remember any more about the French ships used as these may well have been among them.
The Italians won - and went on to fight the British - who went on to fight the Germans - who went on to fight the Americans - who went on to fight the Japanese where they won as well.
Of course - this wasn't just ship quality that determined the winner - as the players would be the major determinant. I don't believe we had any fixed teams. We'd just have a match at someone's house and choose up sides then.
We all drank beer together every Friday Night (unless we had a date) and sometimes played War Games Saturday Night. Sadly, like most groups of young men - ours was destroyed by women.
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Great video as always, just one remark (as always, when talking about French navy): "Marine nationale" should be pronounced as "nasionale", not "nashionale".
Wow I don't think I have been this early. Ah treaty ships, honestly a fun and eclectic mix!
We have a saying at work... the while you're at it syndrome.
Please do Italian and Japanese cruisers next Drach!
@@mcdaniel21mc Yes, Japan and Italy had her fair share of - eh - interesting cruisers, or simply faulty designs.
@@martinmarheinecke7677 I would personally like to hear more about Italian cruisers such as the Trento's ,Zara's and all the extremely fast light cruisers built for the Regia Marina
@@mcdaniel21mcFast and elegant ships, indeed. Italian cruisers are quite similar to French: they typically trade protection for speed.
17:45 literally translating to “Steam horses”
"Those French...they have a different word for Everything!" --Steve Martin
"However....." is a thing I enjoy hearing.
Which reminds me, Drach you need to do individual guides on these CA generations, Duequnes, Suffrens and Algierie
Always interesting with a good helping of humour throne in . Always a great watch . Keep it coming and thanks for history and info.
"... might be blown up by an especially high speed seagull..." 🤣
As a 60 year-old "wargamer" and treadhead, these are great stuff. Tanks I know...ships, esp. those of non-US navies, interwar...not much at all. Thanks!
*"Soldiers aren't numbers, they are husbands, fathers, sons and brothers."*
Actually the French initially did not plan for 21 new cruisers. Some jobsworth (being French) filed an order for 21 croissants. There was a typo and instead of admitting to the mistake the Marine National (being French) declared that this was the plan all along.
An interesting point I'd like to add is that Dupleix basically had the same weight on armour protecting the machinery and magazine spaces as Algerie. The only difference in the armour weight came from the better protected turrets and barbette in Algerie compared to Dupleix, it was just very inefficiently in the latter with a 60 mm inner belt and a 30 mm outer one laid all over the place and then when the French suddenly realised after ordering Dupleix they had the weight to spare for a far better protected ship.
The French also considered adding the 80 mm deck and 660 lb torpedo protection to the La Galissonieres like with Algerie, but they cost 1200 tons and 400 tons respectively. They didn't want to burden the design with so much weight, even if they would still be treaty compliant after those modifications, at 9500 t standard with those changes, and didn't go through with eithee, with a simplier subdivisions comprised of 2 section outboard of the machinery. It might have also cut the programme to 5 ships due to the increased cost, which the French Navy didn't really want
"An Algérie with 60% more displacement to play with" Maybe they could've gotten really froggy with it. Triple Turret design, more armor......Hell, probably could just completely upscale her and make Algérie into a Large Cruiser.
An excellent disposition
Great episode Drach.
They still use 1st and 2nd class to describe their warships. The first rank of "frigates" use Dxxx hull numbers, and while not using the destroyer word itself are effectively that while the second rank frigates are all Fxxx hull numbers.
The subsequent and never built Saint Louis, C5 project had a lot of potential. On the biggest versions, that thing could have been fitted with up to 200 mm of belt armor ! Flirting along Battlecruiser specs in terms of protection.
When you mentioned them adding the sea plane (plus attending systems) and still not having spent weight on the powerplant yet, I almost literally threw up my hands.
Cruisers in this period were expected to be the largest ship in a convoy escort or troop transport role and needed eyes in the sky for scouting. A destroyer screen could scout out a few dozen nautical miles around the fleet, a seaplane in good weather could cover hundreds of nautical miles. Radar also helped of course but that came after the time when the ships were being designed.
It's interesting that the Duquesne and Tourville survived the war and were even sent by the French on missions to Indochina afterwards.
The French Navy is simultaneously a world premier fighting force projecting absolute power the world over and an utter and compete disaster at a national level that is directly responsible for the fall of the state. Truely they are gifted.
Those ships that went by zip-zip? One Austrian (SMS Novara) and four German light cruisers (SMS Kolberg, SMS Stralsund, SMS Regensburg, SMS Königsberg) From the Wikipedia article on the La Galissonnière class, which has very useful background on inter war cruisers.
The Algerie is such a beautiful ship also.
The French copy nobody, and nobody copies the French
Hilariously, the Americans are copying the French and Italian right now. The new Constellation class frigates are essentially just modified FREMM frgates, a class that is already in service in both the French and Italian navies.
Everyone copies the French and the French did copy many. The metric system is French. FWD cars are French. Suspensions, vaccines, tubular steam engines, smoke-less powder for litteraly all modern firearms, guess what, it's French. There are hundreds of French inventions that were copied by the entire World, I have a hard time understanding why such a blatantly false statement is so widely spread.
@@Cailus3542the Americans have since extended and significantly modified said design at great expense and delay 🙈 I believe FREMM was also a joint development with the British until the Brits went towards the Type 45 and French Italians carried on in their way.
I believe the Rafale/Euro fighter Typhoon were also a combined project before the designs split off
Hahaha, good one. Sounds like that could apply to the French auto industry as well.
@@johnedwards3198 yep, France split off because we needed an carrier able plane, while the other nations didn’t. The difference of requirements created two different planes. I wouldn’t be surprised if that story repeated itself with the current design process of the european stealth fighter
Excellente
I would love to hear a comparison of similar detail of this one between Algeria and hipper but substitute Wichita for Hipper, a far closer comparison.
I can understand French design philosophy I'm married to a French colonial, and she likes to turn the heat up in the house, and get a great many things done at speed. I'm constantly coming home after work and forced to plead with her to please put some armor on!
As an engineer, I think that the Algeire could only be made by first building the failure.
Vert well done!
Last time I was this early, the us was still building 4 stackers
dock a few meters of the stern a meter or so from the bow widen the hull a bit to improve seakeeping and you could stick more armor on them or do what the others did and fudge the weight on the stats and build whatever you wanted edit that's what I thought for the Dugay class before the vid continued
Morning all.
I went to Duquesne university in Pittsburgh, can you give us a short history of the name and why it is a university in Pittsburgh and a French ship class?
At this point the Duquesne is like "Just leave me alone and forget about me already!" :P
Around this time, there were top secret memos circulating in the British Admiralty concerning the development of new, highly secret high velocity tungsten cored ammunition for secondary warship batteries, codenamed “mouettes a grand vitesses”
French interwar ships and aircraft... I have a love-hate relationship with them.
"Oh my god its so genius! But its so shit! But so f*cking good!"
Could you do a video on eastern vs western ship design in the age of sail?
*Slaps french ship* I love you, you make the Italian designers look extremely competent.
Would have loved to see Algerie’s task group catch Graf Spee..
I wonder if the Duquesne-class could have been better ships if they eliminated one of the aft turrets, shortened the ship and used the weight saved for either additional armor or a heavier DP battery, essentially making a French version of the HMS Exeter or IJN Aoba.
Came for a treatise on French cruisers. Got some kind of software tutorial...
Drach have you heard of Rumbuscade? Have you tried it? If so is it good?
I would think that the world war being fought largely in France had more to do with the lagging French steel infantry than any other cause.
Such a tantalising "what if"
For beautiful warships, stick around in the Mediterranean in the 1930s. Streamline Moderne lidos with guns.
The only thing missing was Fred Astaire doing a tap number on the turrets and quarterdeck 😊
Could the colonial policing and troop transport roles have been accomplished by removing the aft guns and emptying the magazines, then using the space for either fuel tanks or very rough and ready accommodation? Ideally, you'd remove the aft turrets and possibly some of the hoists.
Just imagine what Algerie's designers could have done if they had been given an extra 60% displacement to play with.
Jean Marie! Add an extra wine cellar, tout suite!
The Algebre is pretty as well as balanced as well as powerfully armed, How France? And why not all the time?
Money and politics, that resulted in ALOT of issue in France
Say it with me everybody, "The French copy nobody, and nobody copies the French."
Ah, A Tale of Two Ships Types
High Speed Seagull😂
I think Jon Jordan may have some influence in this video.
So thicker deck armour than the Hood and QE class battleships (as built), not bad for a treaty-ish cruiser!
And A Partridge In A pear Tree.
Warspite is GOD!
Drach I’m pretty sure the French didn’t call them “first class cruisers”
They’d have called them “croiseurs de première classe”
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Of course there was a tumblehome, it wouldn't be a French ship without it.
The best of ships, the blurst of ships
I wonder how many sailors all over the world died because of the poor ship designs that resulted from the Washington Naval Treaty? Maybe that was the intention of the treaty, to force navies to adopt poor designs and they would be afraid to go to war in them.
The intent of the treaties was to avoid the absurd expense of another naval arms race by severely limiting the size, number and capabilities of new warships.
The problem of course is that Navies tried to maximise their fighting power within the terms of the treaties, which lead to some oddly compromised designs.
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French inter war warships ships, a higher calibre winery. But even with star shells, a much more middling star rating than their forebears.
When you thought ditching belt armor for engine power is bad enough. The fact that having the belt would save weight instead is just hilarious.
Did the French not understand the concept of a troop transport?
I mean to be fair, troop ships tended to be at the time converted cargo ships or ocean liners with little to none purpose build before the war and it was only during than it started to take steam since with Colonies, especially one's far away you want a fast ship to transport troops to supress people and troop transport sacrifice speed and a whole lot of it for the capacity they hold.
The worst: Duquesne get a class, (even if only two). The best...gets a single ship. Well done France. Although I suppose the Duquesne had to happen to show just how low a bar you had. So the try must harder ship is Algérie.
Money and politics messed alot up for France, more than usual in the interwar
The French copy no one and no one copies the French!
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All the French doing things their own way because well they're French. First class and second class instead of heavy and lights
Why do the French get upset when French is mispronounced when French itself is mispronounced Latin?
Because english is mispronounced french, from the start the beef was there
Hippers are hands down the most overrated ship of the war. Anyone want to argue?
French have to be French.
At least she didn't face the British backstab.
Grow up.
It would have been interesting to see her take on one of the many inferior British cruisers when Britain was stabbing the French in the back.
Grow up.
Putting Torpedos on anything but destroyers, planes, or subs is folly.
I mean look what they IJN cruisers early on in the war managed to do in the war agaisnt the allies, later on they did kind of become useless since not much their torps could do agaisnt air strikes.
It's extra weaponry, torpedoes can hurt or threaten enemy warships and force them to manoeuvre. Also unlike bombs or ammunition, those that aren't pure oxy fuelled don't blow up unless directly hit by a 500 lb bomb or a magazine detonation that would doom the ship regardless. HMS Partridge's torpedoes was directly hit by a 6 in shell and the torpedo warhead still didn't blow up
@UthurRytan Hey, don't get me wrong, torpedoes were useful weapons in WW2. But they are also dangerous to the vessel deploying them. On a Destroyer or Sub, the risk/reward is worth it. But not on Cruisers or Battleships.
@@AndrewGraziani-k7d Unless you mean dangerous as in the torpedo can cause friendly fire or circle around, torpedoes that aren't pure oxy fuel aren't dangerous at all, they don't blow up unless the ship was practically doomed to sink regardless. In addition to not getting blown up by a direct 6 in hit, the torpedo that struck HMS Nelson during Operation Halberd directly into the torpedo storage room didn't set off the other torpedoes, they were removed intact when Nelson returned back to Gibraltar
@UthurRytan Interesting, thank you for the information. But I don't know, live ordnance exposed on deck? In any event, destroyers expect a close in fight, so torpedoes compliment that, while larger ships have a stand-off option. But in the end, it comes down to deck space and displacement. Destroyers need the punch, cruisers, and battleships have better ways to spend that weight, AA guns and deck armor, among other things. As an aside and on the subject of pure O2 torpedoes, I'm no engineer, but I wonder if you could get much of the advantage of 02 by using nitrous oxide while having a much safer, easier to handle weapon system.
They made great looking ships but they were always missing something like armour or like their aircraft and engine or two!
Whoopity whoopity, French ship go poopity.