Btw if you love the game - that’s awesome. Don’t want to ruin your fun. Just wanted to share my honest take on the game. No hard feelings if you are having fun with the game and don’t want to watch this video!
You said you didn't know who the core audience is supposed to be but you're obviously lying. It's for young casuals who don't read comics and don't play games older than 10 years. You know that.
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 The audience I'm describing bases their opinions entirely off of their youtube daddies' opinions. Many guys were talking about the leaks. MoistCritiKal obviously made a lot of people think it was "okay" to hate this game.
I can explain it, Rocksteady did not make this game, that OG crew was replaced with activists long ago. They did not sneak in they walked in the front door and took over.
The irony here is that the Arkham games are dark and depressing but put a smile on your face. This game is supposed to be fun and vibrant and bright, but it's depressing. 😂😂😂
Facts man I’m telling you the reason why the Batman games are loved is because it’s just raw and badass hand to hand combat with a decent story across all the games. Those rocksteady devs left before this game came out. The concept of killing the justice league with the suicide squad is not a bad idea, it just doesn’t make sense with 4 c tier villains.
7:20 Technically "Rocksteady" didn't make this game. Not the same Rocksteady that made the Arkham series. Different people, clearly with certain agendas.
look into "sweet baby inc." they've been hired to co write multiple games recently such as this one, spider-man 2 and the new gow. they're not even subtle about the agenda. it's so sad
@@Anxiety_Asylumjust looked it up. Creeps got the pedo symbols floating around, this is sick… 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ Hurts my soul a bit, for this is NOT what we gamers have spent years waiting for. I understand every game isn’t going to be a10/10 But at least back then, it wasn’t a narrative being provoked to the masses to push an agenda, it was just pure gaming, storylines, Lore, etc. each game lead by developers that sticks to the source of that story and not trying to deceive the player into a totally different mindset once they complete the game. We still have top notch games but.. idk it ain’t the same ig…
I doubt it was rocksteady’s decision as much as it was WB. Perhaps rocksteady decided the idea but I don’t believe that WB didn’t force both the looter shooter and the forced comedy
I gave Rocksteady the benefit of the doubt, I trusted that they were going to treat the character that literally built their entire fucking studio career with some respect, and goddamn was I wrong lmao.
@@Frogman1212 you don’t sound very levelheaded yourself. It’s not about being blind to flaws, it’s waiting for actual proven fact to make a judgement. We gave Rocksteady a chance to change their leaked mistakes, it’s on them for not fixing these issues before release.
People need to drop their attachment to Rocksteady from the Arkham games, it's not the same Studio anymore none of the people of those games are still working there. The people who made this are Rocksteady in name only.
I get this, but in no possoble world this will happen. Some people really grew up with these Arkham Games, and to knoe now that this game is set in that universe, and that Batman dies this way, is utterly fucking stupid and shows zero respect to their previous work.
Not entirely true. Sefton Hill and Jamie Walker, both worked on the previous Arkham games, Sefton who co-wrote the story for Suicide Squad, and Jamie who was the Studio Director are both credited and even though they left in 2022, the majority of the game had already been worked on by these individuals and others from previous Arkham games. So you can say it was not the same Studio, but only really in the past few years. Maybe that's what made the difference, but it was still a Rocksteady from the older Arkham games that put work into this game. Which is tragic. I'm not sure what the reason was for these guys leaving, all I've seen is speculation of creative difference, though nothing is verified and regardless there's no excuse for what was produced.
"This is how it happened, This is how Rocksteady died." Really though, That scene with the hologram where Bruce mentions Tim and it's implied that Bruce killed him and probably Nightwing and Oracle. It just combines all together with Bruce getting shot in the head. It completely sours Arkham Knight for me, knowing what happens.
i was wondering what happened to Oracle. o man, that's awful. Oracle had the fake out death in Arkham Knight that hit hard at first. So she lives through Scarecrow's torture only to get killed by Batman, off screen. Disgraceful... I will never consider this SS game Canon. And what of Lucius Fox & Aaron Cash? Batman kill them too? This new game doesn't even follow up a lot. What happened to Scarecrow?
No amount of mind control could make the real Batman kill the people he loves . Sweet baby Inc doesn't get to decide this is cannon when they had nothing to do with 98 percent of the Arkham universe
I’ve never seen such a waste of space game ever in my life. They deliberately did all this to spit us and I couldn’t feel more deflated. I’m just happy this isn’t Kevin’s final time as Batman.
It feels really ridiculous to be depressed about a game considering all the bad things going on in the world but I’m right there with you. Deflated is the perfect word
I doubt it man, i read that article about Caped Crusader, but Bruce Timm flat out said, that there is nothing recorded for that show. So take the news with a big grain of salt. Seems like WB is just doing damage controle right now, otherwise they are in ever deeper shit.
Even Caboose is feeling depressed from this game. He also brought up a good point; which was that a WAY cooler game idea would be based off Batman's hologram speech to the Bat family about being compromised; a game where you play as the Bat family and have to work together to take down an evil Batman. And instead of killing him you would try to save him. This would be a WAY cooler game idea than playing as the Suicide Squad and just killing everyone.
Its pretty clear that the disrespect in this game was done on purpose. This was a game made by people that actually hate the characters and hate comic books. They also clearly did not no the lore or world setting this game was set in. Its like they read cliffs notes about the characters and then inserted their own OG fan fic crap. Also the NEW 52 HQ is dog crap. Also they have no reason to be proud of this if this is the crap they produced after 9 years of dev time, They should actually be ashamed that this is what they made. That is how bad it is. Worse, the gameplay is boring and mindless.
Great breakdown man. I really loved it. Yeah the exterior is so vibrant and bright but then you're tracking down and executing your childhood heroes that taught you to "be better" than you are and better than you think you could be. At this point, even if they do backtrack and it was all fakeouts or they use tech to undo stuff, it's still a story designed to bum you out and hit you with shock factor/shock value. They can undo all the deaths or undo certain elements, but even then, the BASE GAME that we got is just depressing and brought me down. I hope to enjoy it more when I start my let's play, but idk man. Great video.
I honestly wouldn't have minded killing off the Justice League. Frankly, I expected it to be revealed they were all clones created by Brainiac and it would be revealed at the end of the game. My issue is it felt like every character except Wonder Woman was treated with absolute hatred and disdain by Rocksteady. We've spent 4 games playing as Batman, we know how much of a badass he is ESPECIALLY if you've managed to beat "I am the night" mode in Origins. Each of these fights should have been INSANE. The Squad should be beat up, bloody, breathing hard, and happy to be alive by the end. Instead, the League members are bloody and the Squad don't have a scratch on them, hell, they're not even breathing hard. This framing turned every hero into a joke. It didn't help that the game ENTIRELY undoes everything in Arkham Knight. We spent the entire game seeing Batman fight off insanity and eventually lock Joker away in his mind so he doesn't turn into a murdering psychopath. All that is undone and Batman is just a killer anyways. And again, Superman is evil. We haven't had a single GOOD Superman outside of a Lego game since, what, Mortal Kombat VS DC in 2008? Harley pissed me off because her entire character throughout the series went out the window too. Where's all the hatred she had for Batman for (in her mind) murdering Joker? What is this crap about her and Joker being on the outs? She ADORED him to the point where she was trying to resurrect him in Arkham Knight. Suddenly she's had a relationship with Ivy the entire time? That was never explored in universe, so here it comes out of nowhere. It's like Rocksteady just made things up on the spot without really thinking or caring about it. And suddenly "Oh the Deadshot you've faced in Origins and City? Yeah, he's a fake despite having the exact same story as this Deadshot which is expanded in Assault on Arkham." If Rocksteady wanted to reboot the series they could have just rebooted it. People would have been disappointed but this is just pissing on your legacy and expecting fans that grew up with the Arkham series to be okay with it.
Personally, I like the game but view it as totally non canon. I feel like that's the only way you *can* enjoy it. If you view it as a look into a worse case scenario future for the Arkhamverse. As an AU, I think the bleakness of the story is cool. I don't care what the devs say though, this game isn't canon to the rest of the series.
@@noble0155 I mean, until something later in yhe timeline is released, canon is up for fans to truly decide. I know plenty of people have personally decided the Star Wars sequel trilogy isn't canon, for example. As a fan you can ignore or headcanon whatever you want.
@@kidanarchy2105 thats not how canon works… headcanon, sure, but what’s the point? tricking yourself into enjoying something you actually don’t like? it’s silly
Probably one the most disrespectful and worst games I have ever played, this is coming from someone who’s been with rocksteady since Arkham city and would praised them until the day I die, after 9 years this is genuinely crazy to me this is what we got, this game is so bad that I think it genuinely ruined there reputation I’m done with rocksteady I will follow sefton hill and Jamie walker wherever they go, they were rocksteady.
People when a man who is fast enough to rip out someones heart without being noticed right after being hit by a slow device decides to run in circles for no reason. This man decided to yap instead of doing his job like a mindless puppet controlled by an alien super genius. People when green lantern doesnt crush his enemies right after he sees his first friend get killed by them. People when the batman who has taken down People way stronger and smarter than these bums. Gets put down in his own lair. This is where he keeps all his contingency btw. People when superman gets taken down by bullets that he can see, hear and avoid while jerking off. But hey. People keep getting angry for no reason@@domooooooooooooooo
The reason why this doesn’t feel like a Rocksteady game is because this wasn’t made by the same team. It’s Rocksteady by name, but it’s all new people. The old team left for good reason as well due to the trajectory this game was going
i feel like the game is solid if you dont know the story of arkham universe. and dont care about dc universe. but if you played arkham series for 20 years. you feel disgusted.
Sweet Baby inc. strikes again, but this time landed a massive blow that might have indefinitely killed this franchise. My favorite franchise ever, murdered in cold blood and pissed on just like Boomerang did to Flash's corpse. At least they hit their ESG score numbers, I guess. WB must hate money, they could've made anything. I would be fine with a JL game with live service, as long as it was done well. Keep in mind, I wanted to like this game. I was 9 when arkham asylum dropped, beaten every game numerous times. I am 23 and still come back to all of the games very often (except Origins because they refuse to even port it over, it doesn't deserve a remaster anymore, it deserves a full on remake). I just can not believe they brought batman back and introduced characters that I and many others have waited over a decade to see, just to see them get murdered with no dignity.
@@Zhello79they already got their grubby little hands on a bit of Spider-Man 2, not enough to ruin the overall game for me personally but some unnecessary stuff is noticeable that they definitely had a hand in, just hope either insomniac stops having them as clients before Wolverine and Spider-Man 3, sweet baby goes out of business, or again best case scenario if they are involved it’s as little as possible
@@Billy-tn3ft There were rumors Peter Parker will die. That is why I said he is next. Apparently the goal is to replace him. Also the tie in comes seem to foreshadow what is to come specifically Dr. Strange's cryptic remark to Insomniac Spider-Man.
@@Billy-tn3ft Sweet Baby inc. will more than likely not go out of business. The reason I say that is because it is an agenda promoted by the elites of our society. BlackRock (major financial and investment company) already said they want to force people how to think. It is a really sad world we are living in. I do not think all of this would be as big as an issue if it were not for the fact they are pinning people against each other. Divide and conquer. I did not mean to give a whole rundown on this, but it is a threat to at least our country as we know it. All great countries fall, and one of the major last pieces in that domino effect is identity crisis among the people. I will leave it at that, stay free thinkers my friends.
They really did fuck up. But that was something they couldn’t control considering they wanted to make something different. It’s like the Kojima and Konami situation…. Let him do something other than MGS; he’s got more in that weird brain of his worth looking at. You may not think this is a good game and that’s ok. Personally, I’ve had fun with it…. It just isn’t an Arkham game so it’s been shit on by people who mostly wanted that and only that. The game surely does have its shortcomings though.
@@GodSmit Please stop saying that they wanted to make different things and that WB "forced" them to make this. You don't know that, and you're speculating like the rest of the Internet. Bottom line is, we are judging the product that has shipped, whether they wanted to make it or not. The game is a joke and a slap to the face of all gamers, not just Arkham games fans.
@@Arkaner3 I disagree. And no thanks, I’ll say what I want 🫡I didn’t say WB forced them to make anything. Rocksteady wanted to make something different as when they released the final Batman game they said it was a good place to end his trilogy after making it for 9yrs, implying they wanted to try something new. You can dislike the game all you want, but you shouldn’t deny some people are enjoying it (because there are people). So no, you’re wrong, it’s not a slap in the face to all gamers. @moonking321 My kojima konami reference is about the gaming community…. Not settling for the idea of rocksteady making something other than a Batman Arkham - like - game…. I wasn’t saying WB forced Rocksteady. And the whole “judging the product that has shipped” is BS because this game has been thrashed since the day it was LEAKED an image and info about it being a looter shoot game…. Well before it was “shipped”; the hate gained traction since the days of the leaks. This is all I’m contributing to this conversation 👋
@@GodSmit They didn't make something totally different, though, did they? They are continuing the story of the Arkham games and even using Batman to lure fans in. But yeah, if by different you mean live service, I totally agree that it is very different. Time will tell how successful the game will be but it's clear that the majority hates it. All the power to you and the gamers that love it though, enjoy it while it lasts.
The gameplay is repetitive, the story is so half baked, and the performance is sub-par considering that 7 years were put into this game. Very disappointing, and I can only hope WB Montreal learns from their mistakes with Gotham knights and puts out a better sequel there. Other than injustice 3, I’m very concerned for the future of dc games
@@Exzimius meh, injustice 2 and recent mortal kombat games have always been live-service microtransaction-filled online games, but that’s what they’re supposed to be. You can’t really go wrong with a side-scrolling fighter
This is how the board meeting went. Publisher: "Hey you make them comic movie games don't you? and people like 'em? Say that Suicide Squad movie is coming out soon, people seem to be like that. I bet that's gonna make a lot of money. You should do one of those. Also them live service games seem to be making a lot of money. You should do one of those."
And we need to keep players engaged so add loot to it. Make it a shooter…. Whats that? The studio doesn’t make shooters or looters and are known for single player stealthy action…. Don’t care, piss on those beloved characters and make it happen. The characters need new loot and we can’t have loot boomerang’s and shark fins so just give them all guns. Who cares about a story, piss on the heroes and ship it.
Sefton Hill and Jamie Walker were the co founders of Rocksteady. They left the company at the end of 2022 after 18 years of being with the company. It is my opinion that this is why. Sweet Baby Inc is a narrative development and consultation studio full of feminist woke women who hate men (specifically white men) who had a big role in the narrative in this game.
It's because a company is more than just the name, it's the people who work in it. And it sounds like there's no one left at Rocksteady who worked on the Arkham Trilogy anymore.
So... they literally pissed on the corpse of the flash...And they thought... we'd find it funny... when we have been waiting for all these guys to get their solo games they just... make this. Don't buy it guys. Make them feel it.
@6:54 You're right because the Rocksteady original devs made their own studio known as HundredStar Games. WB is so desperate because they know the game is bad that they decided to mislead the fans by using the name of the Studio and said, "from the creators of the Batman Arkham series," when in reality, it's a completely different set of devs than the original.
"Wait for context" they said. The scenes are taken out of context. Then I also found out that *this* is the game Rocksteady wanted to make superman was never even on the table. It was always this live service crap. The concept of having a favorite studio was killed
Great vid. This game is weird because the only person you have any history with is Batman. Why would they build a universe where the follow-up is to kill the characters we've been wanting to play as for years? I've said it once and I'll say it again, this is not the same Rocksteady that made the Batman Arkham series.
It's honestly sad as fuck when you really love something and wait so long for the next one and they just sell all their fans down the river for greed .
My biggest question is why did this game need to be a part of the Arkhamverse, other than for marketing purposes that is, like narrative wise? It just doesn’t fit, the world doesn’t feel the same and the characters don’t feel the same. In Arkham Knight Batman fakes his death and disappears, that was a crucial point for his story and his character. In the Suicide Squad game (spoilers) he comes back, reveals himself and becomes a member of the Justice League just because. And obviously everything he does or says is out of character. And just like all the rest of JLA members he gets killed in the dumbest and most anticlimactic way possible. Another character from the Arkhamverse - Harley Quinn kinda gets the same treatment. Despite being voiced by Tara Strong again, she just isn’t recognizable as the same character and for me that speaks volumes among many other things. If this game is anything to the Arkhamverse, it’s a travesty.
At this point, what we need is a “Red Hood: Kill the Suicide Squad” game, because I don’t think that Jason would let this slide, especially Batman’s death. I know that’ll never happen, but a guy can dream. I’m perfectly happy pretending that this game is not canon to the Arkham series. I haven’t been playing the games or incredibly attached to this universe as others, but I know what happens and I really enjoy it. I’m more of a Marvel fan, but I enjoy DC, and this game even made angry.
I saw an idea about the new Suicide Squad game, and it sounds better than what we actually got. The guy said that they should have had Batman be the only Justice League member that wasn’t mind controlled, and you have to play as him and try to save the others and fight Braniac. Then, the Suicide Squad would be secondary antagonists, where you have to stop them from killing the Justice League. I don’t know why Rocksteady didn’t do this. It would have been an epic swan song for Kevin Conroy.
>Beginning of the review: Calm, collected, establishing points of discussion with fair critiques. >End of the review: 13:19 God, I feel so bad for Arkham fans.
Overheard from the executive board room: "Quick! What do the kids like now? EDGY! Suicide Squad = Edgy! We unceremoniously execute Batman = Edgy! We piss on the Flash = Edgy! We crack jokes in dire serious situations = Edgy! All the kids like edgy stuff and we have all the edgy!"....*eye roll*....I have officially said edgy so much it sounds weird. I super loved the Arkham games and this is just sad. It's a game that was likely (conceptually) developed and mandated by 50+ yr old executives watching trends and imagining what the kids like now....
you're absolutely correct, this game is a massive disappointment. imo not only because of the story, but even more so because of the bland enemy and mission types
Bro, I agree with you bro, I was so upset and pissed off by the end of the game this was the first game I ever gave a negative review becuase it was clear that the persons who made the game hate my heroes and I won't spending a another diamond on this game and jokes aren't funny
Honestly this probably is the truth. I haven't actually checked but I bet you this is another situation like Redfall. The game gets a ton of hype off the developer's name but none of the people who made them popular even work there anymore.
what’s really depressing is that, who the fuck asked for suicide squad?? whenever i saw a member of the JL i would just scream outloud “WHY CAN’T I PLAY THEM? THEY’RE RIGHT THERE!” Also i agree with not liking harley, idk why but her voice is so grating and everytime she speaks she has to contort her body, and it just feels so “extra” and awkward.
Nope batman beyond starring Damian Wayne (project sabbath) was by WB Montréal not rocksteady. Who said they were done with batman games. Whats left of that game is in gotham knights. Rocksteady was making an original IP.
It truly does feel like something out of a bad dream. Like Mad Hatter put all of us under his mind control and we all just want to wake up. Man I would give anything to have Batman rip Jervis’ hat off and save us all from this nightmare 😢
Imagine if this were a Justice League game, but instead of the "all characters on screen at once" style like SS:KTJL or old Marvel games, it was with character switching mechanics similar to Spider-Man 2. Each member with their own playstyle/traversal mechanics/skill tree, and only bringing the characters together for cutscenes, specific missions, etc. Essentially Spider-Man 2, but with the Justice League and far more advanced playstyle diversity lmaooo
You’re not wrong. It wasn’t made by Rocksteady. At least not the Rocksteady that made the Arkham games. Most of those people left Rocksteady. The current Rocksteady may as well be a completely different studio. And I think it was made by people who hate DC. Not because they’re Marvel shills, but because they’re ideologues who think that the male heroes exhibit “toxic masculinity.” That’s why Wonder Woman is the only member of the Justice League who is treated with respect.
I agree. Its a very messed up trend happening in society that’s celebrating Villains and saying they are misunderstood or allowed to do bad things because they were unfairly treated and heroes are the problem. Saying Green Lantern is a problem for being a Marine in Military & a “Cop” of the space universe. Saying Batman is actually wrong and a fascist for being rich, not giving all his money away (which would not be enough to stop violence in gotham btw) and he has actually been the problem messing up others psychologically. The speech from Harley Quinn before she kills Batman shows the idiocy. She accuses him of being the problem even though in Lore shes had killed children, tortured people and is the real psychopath villain that Batman has tried repeatedly to help.
Definitely feels like "hate mail" instead of a love letter to DC and the arkhamverse. It's not how charecters die, it's how they are written and put down like dogs. And it's how NOT villianous (cause they ARE villians) the squad is it's how unlikable most of them are
This game shouldn’t have come out YET. It should’ve been like this: Arkham Asylum, Arkham City, Arkham Origins, and Arkham Knight. 1 or 2 Superman games. 1 or 2 Green Lantern games. 1 or 2 Flash games. 1 or 2 Wonder Women games. Then we should of had this Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League Game, or better yet, a Justice League game
I gotta say, I've been against this game since the day it was first announced and this time, I feel completely vindicated. It's one thing to play as DC characters that have never been playable before in a third-person game and this could have been one that I would've had my mind changed on if things turned out differently. However, it's another thing entirely when the story forces players to kill off so many beloved superheroes, especially in such a way where it's like the developers are flipping off fans of the Justice League and its individual members. Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League is one of the most appalling games I've ever had the misfortune of sharing the same universe as. It does not matter how developers feel or how hard they worked when they create and release something that is so insulting and disrespectful to the DC franchise itself (or any franchise, really) and the people who love it. The developers at Rocksteady should have known this was a bad idea from the start and it's frustrating how they have neither the empathy nor the common sense to acknowledge that they were wrong to push this wretched thing at us and think we would praise them for it. The people at Rocksteady can talk about how much work they put into this and all that other jazz until the cows come home, but they're not fooling anyone: they're just making poor excuses to try and make the negative criticism they're getting disappear. I don't know what their problem is, but whatever the case may be, Rocksteady needs to fix it, because this is just not okay.
Sincerely let down by how Rocksteady handled the Arkham Ip... 9 years, of anticipation for the next installment. But what if following the events of Arkham Knight Batman recently joined the Justice League prior to events in SSKJL. Instead of these two awful games, "Gotham Knights", and "Suicide squad kill the Justice league". Reather then the suicide squad you play as Batman and the Bat-family. Instead of killing the Justice League you break them free of Brainiacs control, one by one. Adding each member to the Look-out Tower off world, aiding you in your quest to stop the invasion of earth. Leaving Superman for last where it becomes Arkhams version of the Dark Knight Returns. As you fight Superman in a full Bat-mech suit (Armored core style). Once the Justice League is rescued, together you start their conquest to go after Brainiac. Swapping between Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Martian Man Hunter and Cyborg. Using their abilities to take him down, and take back Earth.
Funny thing is that they didn’t have to kill Batman. He was contained they could had saved him but they went out of the way to kill him. People might comment “they had to kill him to lure Superman to their location.” That is bs Superman knows where their HQ since he was there when Amanda Waller was screaming to get her to the hall of justice. So all the squad had to do was wait there without killing Batman. This game is shit.
It’s funny how the stuff we thought was going to be good (the story) is god awful and the stuff we thought was going to be bad (the gameplay) was decent
@@braddl9442loop repeat stuff can be fun despite it being repetitive. Most games are repetitive. You’re someone who doesn’t like this gameplay, and here I am as someone who does; it’s fun to play as boomerang zipping around. People just have different tastes; it isn’t black and white.
Absolutely !! Who wanted this !! So many mistakes made & I think its a combination of reasons why. Writers literally pissing on our favorite heroes not understanding fans, game devs that make incredible single player story stealth action being forced by Greedy CEOs to make a cash grab 4 player battlpass always online microtransactions looter shooter. So many failures happened and i think many players tried to warn them. Avengers & Anthem failing were warning signs ignored. I feel bad for Rocksteady & devs that cared but they could have seen this coming. I think some did and quit the studio & started a new studio. Such a shame.
I would say it’s an understatement to call myself a fan of the Arkham games. They’re probably in the top 3 for me. In my 30s now and don’t get as excited about superhero stuff anymore but I still can’t get chills watching that trailer from origins showing Bruce growing up. So love some good Batman content and also DC by extension. It is such a bummer to get this as the follow-up. I know people might not agree but I really liked Gotham knights. Why wasn’t rocksteady working on that? That is the perfect follow up to Knight and just needed some rocksteady attention. Let WB games make the goofy looter shooter no one asked for. It really is just too bad. But I’ve got all the Arkham games redownloaded, I’m gonna go enjoy those for the billionth time and I’ll check out Suicide Squad when it’s $7.99 or something
The biggest thing holding this game back is just the sheer lack of mission variety. Escort missions and point defence. That's the whole game. Which, to be fair, may be added later, but should have been present at launch.
This makes no sense has a game if Rocksteady wanted to do a villain based game they should've made a Legion of Doom kills the Justice League that made sense having the Arch Villains of Flash , Superman, Batman , Wonder Woman and Green Lantern come together and say lets ice the JLA and Lex Luthor steals Batmans plans that wouldve been a interesting plot cause i can see them killing the Justice League is the Legion of Doom. Also lets not forget Rocksteady seems to have forgotten the lore too like the Lanterns , Superman using the Gold Kryptonite like really yall dug into Silver Age crap with Gold Kryptonite? Like dude what?
Yeah it’s unbelievably disheartening. Not particularly awful or anything, just weird. It just feels like a game that is literally made by trolls, and less experienced hippies…
It's always fun to see people (specially people like youtubers, that make content out of games) who can discuss this game without getting agrevisse. Every person deserves an opinion, but there's absolutely no way to disrespect the developers and/or people who like the game, and you did a fantastic job on being respectable. I just feel good knowing most people from the Rocksteady we knew were not involved in this game, even though it will inevitably (and deservedly so) ruin Rocksteady's image.
Marvel's Avengers had a better story mode, each hero played differently, and they treated their characters with respect. For all its faults I can't see how Suicide Squad is better in any conceivable metric.
I haven't watched the video yet, but.. This is not an arkahm game and all the complaining about batman specifically has been extremely cringe as someone who isn't emotionally invested in batman as a superhero. There are thousands of batman stories with different versions of the character. Go read a comic about him being 1 of the versions you like if you can't stomach a game where he is the bad guy.
The Game was TRASH the moment Batman was revealed to be around POST KNIGHT, NOBODY should have bought it just because it RUINS Arkham Knights symbolic ending! We should have gotten a FULL Prequel Trilogy instead. DONT BUYT IT! It's a LITERAL insult to everything that came before it!
Slc, this game made me crazy, too. I have been nonstop thinking about it and watching review videos about it for the past 3 days straight; literally done nothing else. I'm starting to wonder if this is even healthy.
Damn I as well. I never like the concept so I am obviously not the target audience so I should just ignore it. But the fact that it’s the Arkham verse just makes me upset.
i don't care for the game in the least and will never play it. i don't get why anyone pre-ordered it really, except youtubers for a review. i don't get what people expected after the second trailer dropped. it was all there, the childish humour, the gameplay, even the story to an extent, and it only went downhill from there especially after the leak. so i'm not surprised in the least people are hating on it. really, who is this game even for? nobody. also don't justify anyone making this game. they didn't do it for "the fans", they did it for the money which they will not be getting from the fans. nobody wanted this. what people did and still do want is Arkham Origins' sequels. if they had tried making that and then failed then you could've said "well they tried for the fans", but as it is with Suicide Squad no, they didn't do it for the fans. and they deserve all the backlash.
Why they don't make arkham batman vs all justice league without his contingency plan but his intelligent and moves to help suicide squad to fight justice league than sacrifices himself to save Justice league
It’s funny how in the Arkham games, getting exposed to fear toxin cripples people’s minds, makes them feel helpless and vulnerable… but here it just takes the idea of the joker section in Arkham knight and shows a cool looking Batman and captain boomerang just has a beer sign pop up lol
Would really like to hear your opinion on the direction the arkhamverse is gonna go from here, james gunn has said he has no plans of this being the last arkhamverse game.
How do you even move forward with the Arkham universe after this game atp, even if they do a cop out else world thing or have a flash variant go back in time and reboot it, it’s still not the same universe then (though right now I think that would be best for dc games) only thing I can think of that would work would be an Arkham origins sequel but I highly doubt that will happen since wb loves to pretend origins doesn’t exist
@@Billy-tn3ftEven an Origins sequel is kinda pointless if we know *this* is where the character ends up. Best case is to reveal the game is not canon and have the real Arkham Batman show up as a variant. Not sure how that'd work without Kevin though.
@@kidanarchy2105 in my head it was never canon to begin with, the Arkham universe ended with the knightfall protocol idc what anyone says, this game is just bad fan fiction
@@Billy-tn3ft I think it's a good story, but ONLY if it's not canon. I like how dark and depressing it is, but only in the context of an AU. So I definitely agree on not wanting it to be canon, despite liking the story.
I feel you slc 😢 I waited 9 years for this shit all they had to do was copy the same formula with some minor tweaks man it’s sad hopefully sefton hills new company can make a new Batman game and new universe because rocksteady done.
This game should’ve just been a “The Boys” video game if they wanted to kill superheroes. The disrespect of how our heroes die just makes me wish roscksteady just didn’t make another game after Arkham Knight
I feel it's not right to even call the graphics good. They are watered down and crap, especially for a 2024 game. The same amount of time it took for *former* rocksteady to make all 3 games, too *new* rocksteady about the same time to just make 1 game….and everything except for facial animations is legit trash. The UI is horrible, combat isnt anything special it’s very lukewarm, worst of all is it’s narrative and forced messaging. What a failure. I can easily say THIS rocksteady is not the team we came to love. None of the team from the old games made this one. They all left, and for good reason.
This dude spends the first 5minutes saying he likes everything about the game except the story and that this LOOTER SHOOTER is bad because of the story lmfao. Weirdest take i've heard so far and I think the gameplay is super mediocre.
The only thing that would make me happy is considering this game uncannon and release a Batman beyond game, Superman game and maybe a suicide Squad with the roster of Arkham origins like deathstroke where the game is a little similar to the lego dc super villains, it’s about the justice league disappearing and the only people they can rely on is the villains have villains like Arkham knight, it doesn’t need to be open world for example like guardians of the galaxy game have the main villain who is not as threatening as brainiac or darkseid and after that we can see a justice league game.
Agree on your point the only scene that got me interested was the first batman scene in the museum, that got me interested, only to be sourly disappointed with how batman is disposed.
I just disagree with the story hate. The gameplay is fun but repetitive which is a mixed bag and Is kinda carried by the traversal but I liked all the characters and there interactions. Also thought Batman’s message was a nice way to say goodbye to that character and what he stood for and Harley gets to get her revenge and does what Batman probably would have wanted her to do. Superman is the only character where I feel like they did him way too dirty. Dudes barely in the game compared to the others who gets lots of time to spend with the players. But obviously just my opinions and I wanted to share them! Great vid
Btw if you love the game - that’s awesome. Don’t want to ruin your fun. Just wanted to share my honest take on the game. No hard feelings if you are having fun with the game and don’t want to watch this video!
You said you didn't know who the core audience is supposed to be but you're obviously lying. It's for young casuals who don't read comics and don't play games older than 10 years. You know that.
I’m all for everyone doing what they do also
And one man’s trash is another man’s objectively mid at best game
@@Frogman1212but Noone liked it
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 The audience I'm describing bases their opinions entirely off of their youtube daddies' opinions. Many guys were talking about the leaks. MoistCritiKal obviously made a lot of people think it was "okay" to hate this game.
I can explain it, Rocksteady did not make this game, that OG crew was replaced with activists long ago. They did not sneak in they walked in the front door and took over.
The irony here is that the Arkham games are dark and depressing but put a smile on your face. This game is supposed to be fun and vibrant and bright, but it's depressing. 😂😂😂
Underrated comment right here
That is some weird truth!
Arkham Asylum a serious house on a serious Earth is a way better than this so-called fund depressing whatever you take it up story
Facts man I’m telling you the reason why the Batman games are loved is because it’s just raw and badass hand to hand combat with a decent story across all the games. Those rocksteady devs left before this game came out. The concept of killing the justice league with the suicide squad is not a bad idea, it just doesn’t make sense with 4 c tier villains.
That's the Sweet baby aftertaste
Harley felt more sad when Diana died compared to Batman, the guy who tried to help her with rehabilitation countless times
Batman 'killed' her puddin’. It only makes sense.
@@BungieStudiosshe already states in the museum that she knew it was the poison that killed joker, not batman. which makes it even worse.
women empowerment, batman superman will get destroyed and turned to jokes
Not only that she’s the one that PULLED THE TRIGGER
learn the lesson. can't save feminists. they will always be ungrateful and hate you
7:20 Technically "Rocksteady" didn't make this game. Not the same Rocksteady that made the Arkham series. Different people, clearly with certain agendas.
Yup this was made by activists that actually hate the JL characters and what they stood for.
look into "sweet baby inc." they've been hired to co write multiple games recently such as this one, spider-man 2 and the new gow. they're not even subtle about the agenda. it's so sad
@@Anxiety_Asylumjust looked it up.
Creeps got the pedo symbols floating around, this is sick…
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Hurts my soul a bit, for this is NOT what we gamers have spent years waiting for. I understand every game isn’t going to be a10/10
But at least back then, it wasn’t a narrative being provoked to the masses to push an agenda, it was just pure gaming, storylines, Lore, etc.
each game lead by developers that sticks to the source of that story and not trying to deceive the player into a totally different mindset once they complete the game.
We still have top notch games but.. idk it ain’t the same ig…
@@carraeedwards7515stay mad that black people get written into roles. Let me get some of your racist tears while you play spider man 2
😭😢 🤡
I doubt it was rocksteady’s decision as much as it was WB. Perhaps rocksteady decided the idea but I don’t believe that WB didn’t force both the looter shooter and the forced comedy
I gave Rocksteady the benefit of the doubt, I trusted that they were going to treat the character that literally built their entire fucking studio career with some respect, and goddamn was I wrong lmao.
Let me guess. You're one of the "you can't judge it until it's out" types?
@@Frogman1212 you mean levelheaded people
@@batmanvsuperman_ Are you really levelheaded if you can't analyze, compare, and predict? Or are you just special?
none of the people working on this are the people that made he games you love. They left long ago
@@Frogman1212 you don’t sound very levelheaded yourself. It’s not about being blind to flaws, it’s waiting for actual proven fact to make a judgement. We gave Rocksteady a chance to change their leaked mistakes, it’s on them for not fixing these issues before release.
Gotham Knights felt like more of a successor/sequel to the Arkham games than this game does
Even though it was lackluster it wasn't as much of a disaster as this game.
The boss fights on Gotham knights blows this whole story of suicide squad out of the water
I really thouht that Knights was Arkham Knight sequel, yeah, I was stupid
I mean, it does kinda vaguely seem like one @@user-gl2nw4sx1m
People need to drop their attachment to Rocksteady from the Arkham games, it's not the same Studio anymore none of the people of those games are still working there.
The people who made this are Rocksteady in name only.
I get this, but in no possoble world this will happen. Some people really grew up with these Arkham Games, and to knoe now that this game is set in that universe, and that Batman dies this way, is utterly fucking stupid and shows zero respect to their previous work.
Not entirely true. Sefton Hill and Jamie Walker, both worked on the previous Arkham games, Sefton who co-wrote the story for Suicide Squad, and Jamie who was the Studio Director are both credited and even though they left in 2022, the majority of the game had already been worked on by these individuals and others from previous Arkham games. So you can say it was not the same Studio, but only really in the past few years. Maybe that's what made the difference, but it was still a Rocksteady from the older Arkham games that put work into this game. Which is tragic. I'm not sure what the reason was for these guys leaving, all I've seen is speculation of creative difference, though nothing is verified and regardless there's no excuse for what was produced.
"This is how it happened, This is how Rocksteady died."
Really though, That scene with the hologram where Bruce mentions Tim and it's implied that Bruce killed him and probably Nightwing and Oracle. It just combines all together with Bruce getting shot in the head. It completely sours Arkham Knight for me, knowing what happens.
Arkham knight already had a weird ending of you ask me
i was wondering what happened to Oracle. o man, that's awful. Oracle had the fake out death in Arkham Knight that hit hard at first. So she lives through Scarecrow's torture only to get killed by Batman, off screen. Disgraceful... I will never consider this SS game Canon. And what of Lucius Fox & Aaron Cash? Batman kill them too? This new game doesn't even follow up a lot. What happened to Scarecrow?
@@TheReallyReel
There is going to be dlc to continue the plot in the coming months and there will be scarecrow story as well
@@TheReallyReel Aaron Cash actually is featured in SSKTJL. He's only seen for like a few seconds though lmao
No amount of mind control could make the real Batman kill the people he loves . Sweet baby Inc doesn't get to decide this is cannon when they had nothing to do with 98 percent of the Arkham universe
I’ve never seen such a waste of space game ever in my life.
They deliberately did all this to spit us and I couldn’t feel more deflated.
I’m just happy this isn’t Kevin’s final time as Batman.
It feels really ridiculous to be depressed about a game considering all the bad things going on in the world but I’m right there with you. Deflated is the perfect word
Apparently it is they lied to us saying He has other performances Caped crusader was knocked off the list, don't know about the other one yet 🤷🏿
It's better than Starfield.
I doubt it man, i read that article about Caped Crusader, but Bruce Timm flat out said, that there is nothing recorded for that show. So take the news with a big grain of salt. Seems like WB is just doing damage controle right now, otherwise they are in ever deeper shit.
@@SirDenzington89imagine whining about the world in a video game comment section
Even Caboose is feeling depressed from this game. He also brought up a good point; which was that a WAY cooler game idea would be based off Batman's hologram speech to the Bat family about being compromised; a game where you play as the Bat family and have to work together to take down an evil Batman. And instead of killing him you would try to save him. This would be a WAY cooler game idea than playing as the Suicide Squad and just killing everyone.
Dang if caboose’ shill ahh it’s getting depressed from this then this game ain’t lasting even a year 😂
I thought that dude was sucking this game off guess I was wrong
The whole point of the Suicide Squad is to kill enhanced people like the Justice League or die trying.
@@kuro5041 Just a few hours left to see the starting player count, i hope it doesn't last in the 4 digits more than a week.
Awww shit where cabooseXBL AT haven't seen heard from him since injustice 1 days
Its pretty clear that the disrespect in this game was done on purpose. This was a game made by people that actually hate the characters and hate comic books. They also clearly did not no the lore or world setting this game was set in. Its like they read cliffs notes about the characters and then inserted their own OG fan fic crap. Also the NEW 52 HQ is dog crap. Also they have no reason to be proud of this if this is the crap they produced after 9 years of dev time, They should actually be ashamed that this is what they made. That is how bad it is. Worse, the gameplay is boring and mindless.
Great breakdown man. I really loved it. Yeah the exterior is so vibrant and bright but then you're tracking down and executing your childhood heroes that taught you to "be better" than you are and better than you think you could be. At this point, even if they do backtrack and it was all fakeouts or they use tech to undo stuff, it's still a story designed to bum you out and hit you with shock factor/shock value. They can undo all the deaths or undo certain elements, but even then, the BASE GAME that we got is just depressing and brought me down. I hope to enjoy it more when I start my let's play, but idk man. Great video.
Agreed jay
This game makes Gotham Knights look superior. At least that game gave Batman a more respectible death
Because rocksteady isn’t even rocksteady, all the original employees left.
Wankin, for sure
I honestly wouldn't have minded killing off the Justice League. Frankly, I expected it to be revealed they were all clones created by Brainiac and it would be revealed at the end of the game.
My issue is it felt like every character except Wonder Woman was treated with absolute hatred and disdain by Rocksteady. We've spent 4 games playing as Batman, we know how much of a badass he is ESPECIALLY if you've managed to beat "I am the night" mode in Origins. Each of these fights should have been INSANE. The Squad should be beat up, bloody, breathing hard, and happy to be alive by the end. Instead, the League members are bloody and the Squad don't have a scratch on them, hell, they're not even breathing hard. This framing turned every hero into a joke. It didn't help that the game ENTIRELY undoes everything in Arkham Knight. We spent the entire game seeing Batman fight off insanity and eventually lock Joker away in his mind so he doesn't turn into a murdering psychopath. All that is undone and Batman is just a killer anyways.
And again, Superman is evil. We haven't had a single GOOD Superman outside of a Lego game since, what, Mortal Kombat VS DC in 2008?
Harley pissed me off because her entire character throughout the series went out the window too. Where's all the hatred she had for Batman for (in her mind) murdering Joker? What is this crap about her and Joker being on the outs? She ADORED him to the point where she was trying to resurrect him in Arkham Knight. Suddenly she's had a relationship with Ivy the entire time? That was never explored in universe, so here it comes out of nowhere. It's like Rocksteady just made things up on the spot without really thinking or caring about it.
And suddenly "Oh the Deadshot you've faced in Origins and City? Yeah, he's a fake despite having the exact same story as this Deadshot which is expanded in Assault on Arkham."
If Rocksteady wanted to reboot the series they could have just rebooted it. People would have been disappointed but this is just pissing on your legacy and expecting fans that grew up with the Arkham series to be okay with it.
Personally, I like the game but view it as totally non canon. I feel like that's the only way you *can* enjoy it. If you view it as a look into a worse case scenario future for the Arkhamverse. As an AU, I think the bleakness of the story is cool. I don't care what the devs say though, this game isn't canon to the rest of the series.
@@kidanarchy2105well thats just cope, but whatever works for you
@@noble0155 I mean, until something later in yhe timeline is released, canon is up for fans to truly decide. I know plenty of people have personally decided the Star Wars sequel trilogy isn't canon, for example. As a fan you can ignore or headcanon whatever you want.
@@kidanarchy2105 thats not how canon works… headcanon, sure, but what’s the point? tricking yourself into enjoying something you actually don’t like? it’s silly
Probably one the most disrespectful and worst games I have ever played, this is coming from someone who’s been with rocksteady since Arkham city and would praised them until the day I die, after 9 years this is genuinely crazy to me this is what we got, this game is so bad that I think it genuinely ruined there reputation I’m done with rocksteady I will follow sefton hill and Jamie walker wherever they go, they were rocksteady.
This game is trash
people when a villian is a villian it isnt that deep yall are crybabys and i dare u to say im wrong ive played every single arkham game
@@domoooooooooooooooyour wrong…….
People when a man who is fast enough to rip out someones heart without being noticed right after being hit by a slow device decides to run in circles for no reason. This man decided to yap instead of doing his job like a mindless puppet controlled by an alien super genius.
People when green lantern doesnt crush his enemies right after he sees his first friend get killed by them.
People when the batman who has taken down People way stronger and smarter than these bums. Gets put down in his own lair. This is where he keeps all his contingency btw.
People when superman gets taken down by bullets that he can see, hear and avoid while jerking off.
But hey. People keep getting angry for no reason@@domooooooooooooooo
@@domooooooooooooooocopium
The reason why this doesn’t feel like a Rocksteady game is because this wasn’t made by the same team. It’s Rocksteady by name, but it’s all new people. The old team left for good reason as well due to the trajectory this game was going
i feel like the game is solid if you dont know the story of arkham universe. and dont care about dc universe.
but if you played arkham series for 20 years. you feel disgusted.
You don't need to know the story, the story is just poorly written and is just bad.
you dont seem to understand just how bad the game is 😅
Have no standards, that’s how you enjoy this game
It’s not canon it’s not canon it’s not canon
It’s not canon
It’s not canon
It’s not canon
It’s not canon
It's not cannon
Sweet Baby inc. strikes again, but this time landed a massive blow that might have indefinitely killed this franchise. My favorite franchise ever, murdered in cold blood and pissed on just like Boomerang did to Flash's corpse. At least they hit their ESG score numbers, I guess. WB must hate money, they could've made anything. I would be fine with a JL game with live service, as long as it was done well.
Keep in mind, I wanted to like this game. I was 9 when arkham asylum dropped, beaten every game numerous times. I am 23 and still come back to all of the games very often (except Origins because they refuse to even port it over, it doesn't deserve a remaster anymore, it deserves a full on remake). I just can not believe they brought batman back and introduced characters that I and many others have waited over a decade to see, just to see them get murdered with no dignity.
Spider-Man better watch out. They might be coming for him next
@@Zhello79they already got their grubby little hands on a bit of Spider-Man 2, not enough to ruin the overall game for me personally but some unnecessary stuff is noticeable that they definitely had a hand in, just hope either insomniac stops having them as clients before Wolverine and Spider-Man 3, sweet baby goes out of business, or again best case scenario if they are involved it’s as little as possible
@@Zhello79Too late. Their hands were already all over Spider-Man 2.
@@Billy-tn3ft There were rumors Peter Parker will die. That is why I said he is next. Apparently the goal is to replace him. Also the tie in comes seem to foreshadow what is to come specifically Dr. Strange's cryptic remark to Insomniac Spider-Man.
@@Billy-tn3ft Sweet Baby inc. will more than likely not go out of business. The reason I say that is because it is an agenda promoted by the elites of our society. BlackRock (major financial and investment company) already said they want to force people how to think. It is a really sad world we are living in. I do not think all of this would be as big as an issue if it were not for the fact they are pinning people against each other. Divide and conquer. I did not mean to give a whole rundown on this, but it is a threat to at least our country as we know it. All great countries fall, and one of the major last pieces in that domino effect is identity crisis among the people. I will leave it at that, stay free thinkers my friends.
honestly you know they fucked up when us fanboys arent excited to play an Arkhamverse game
They really did fuck up. But that was something they couldn’t control considering they wanted to make something different. It’s like the Kojima and Konami situation…. Let him do something other than MGS; he’s got more in that weird brain of his worth looking at. You may not think this is a good game and that’s ok. Personally, I’ve had fun with it…. It just isn’t an Arkham game so it’s been shit on by people who mostly wanted that and only that. The game surely does have its shortcomings though.
@@GodSmitomg they didn’t why would wb force them to make it
@@GodSmit Please stop saying that they wanted to make different things and that WB "forced" them to make this. You don't know that, and you're speculating like the rest of the Internet. Bottom line is, we are judging the product that has shipped, whether they wanted to make it or not. The game is a joke and a slap to the face of all gamers, not just Arkham games fans.
@@Arkaner3 I disagree. And no thanks, I’ll say what I want 🫡I didn’t say WB forced them to make anything. Rocksteady wanted to make something different as when they released the final Batman game they said it was a good place to end his trilogy after making it for 9yrs, implying they wanted to try something new. You can dislike the game all you want, but you shouldn’t deny some people are enjoying it (because there are people). So no, you’re wrong, it’s not a slap in the face to all gamers. @moonking321 My kojima konami reference is about the gaming community…. Not settling for the idea of rocksteady making something other than a Batman Arkham - like - game…. I wasn’t saying WB forced Rocksteady. And the whole “judging the product that has shipped” is BS because this game has been thrashed since the day it was LEAKED an image and info about it being a looter shoot game…. Well before it was “shipped”; the hate gained traction since the days of the leaks. This is all I’m contributing to this conversation 👋
@@GodSmit They didn't make something totally different, though, did they? They are continuing the story of the Arkham games and even using Batman to lure fans in. But yeah, if by different you mean live service, I totally agree that it is very different. Time will tell how successful the game will be but it's clear that the majority hates it. All the power to you and the gamers that love it though, enjoy it while it lasts.
The gameplay is repetitive, the story is so half baked, and the performance is sub-par considering that 7 years were put into this game. Very disappointing, and I can only hope WB Montreal learns from their mistakes with Gotham knights and puts out a better sequel there. Other than injustice 3, I’m very concerned for the future of dc games
You should be concerned for injustice 3. And anything by WB
@@Exzimius meh, injustice 2 and recent mortal kombat games have always been live-service microtransaction-filled online games, but that’s what they’re supposed to be. You can’t really go wrong with a side-scrolling fighter
@@bensxbd I guess it's the story I'm concerned with
Storywise this is FAR FAR worse than Avengers.
Gameplay as well. The Avengers game had actual superhero gameplay with powers and abilities for every character.
So now what? We wait 10 years for a better game? How do you even go forward with this actually?
I had hope the DC movies could figure it out but I think there still hope
its over lol
There’s a Wonder Woman game coming out I think made by a different studio. I wonder how that’s gonna come out
This is how the board meeting went.
Publisher: "Hey you make them comic movie games don't you? and people like 'em? Say that Suicide Squad movie is coming out soon, people seem to be like that. I bet that's gonna make a lot of money. You should do one of those. Also them live service games seem to be making a lot of money. You should do one of those."
And we need to keep players engaged so add loot to it. Make it a shooter…. Whats that? The studio doesn’t make shooters or looters and are known for single player stealthy action…. Don’t care, piss on those beloved characters and make it happen.
The characters need new loot and we can’t have loot boomerang’s and shark fins so just give them all guns.
Who cares about a story, piss on the heroes and ship it.
Sefton Hill and Jamie Walker were the co founders of Rocksteady. They left the company at the end of 2022 after 18 years of being with the company. It is my opinion that this is why. Sweet Baby Inc is a narrative development and consultation studio full of feminist woke women who hate men (specifically white men) who had a big role in the narrative in this game.
It's because a company is more than just the name, it's the people who work in it. And it sounds like there's no one left at Rocksteady who worked on the Arkham Trilogy anymore.
So... they literally pissed on the corpse of the flash...And they thought... we'd find it funny... when we have been waiting for all these guys to get their solo games they just... make this. Don't buy it guys. Make them feel it.
@6:54 You're right because the Rocksteady original devs made their own studio known as HundredStar Games. WB is so desperate because they know the game is bad that they decided to mislead the fans by using the name of the Studio and said, "from the creators of the Batman Arkham series," when in reality, it's a completely different set of devs than the original.
"Wait for context" they said. The scenes are taken out of context. Then I also found out that *this* is the game Rocksteady wanted to make superman was never even on the table. It was always this live service crap. The concept of having a favorite studio was killed
You sound On Point to me.
Like a Sports Franchise with a Bad Couple Seasons, People still Work Hard even when Losing to Other Teams.
Great vid. This game is weird because the only person you have any history with is Batman. Why would they build a universe where the follow-up is to kill the characters we've been wanting to play as for years? I've said it once and I'll say it again, this is not the same Rocksteady that made the Batman Arkham series.
It's honestly sad as fuck when you really love something and wait so long for the next one and they just sell all their fans down the river for greed .
My biggest question is why did this game need to be a part of the Arkhamverse, other than for marketing purposes that is, like narrative wise? It just doesn’t fit, the world doesn’t feel the same and the characters don’t feel the same.
In Arkham Knight Batman fakes his death and disappears, that was a crucial point for his story and his character. In the Suicide Squad game (spoilers) he comes back, reveals himself and becomes a member of the Justice League just because. And obviously everything he does or says is out of character. And just like all the rest of JLA members he gets killed in the dumbest and most anticlimactic way possible.
Another character from the Arkhamverse - Harley Quinn kinda gets the same treatment. Despite being voiced by Tara Strong again, she just isn’t recognizable as the same character and for me that speaks volumes among many other things.
If this game is anything to the Arkhamverse, it’s a travesty.
At this point, what we need is a “Red Hood: Kill the Suicide Squad” game, because I don’t think that Jason would let this slide, especially Batman’s death.
I know that’ll never happen, but a guy can dream. I’m perfectly happy pretending that this game is not canon to the Arkham series. I haven’t been playing the games or incredibly attached to this universe as others, but I know what happens and I really enjoy it. I’m more of a Marvel fan, but I enjoy DC, and this game even made angry.
I saw an idea about the new Suicide Squad game, and it sounds better than what we actually got. The guy said that they should have had Batman be the only Justice League member that wasn’t mind controlled, and you have to play as him and try to save the others and fight Braniac. Then, the Suicide Squad would be secondary antagonists, where you have to stop them from killing the Justice League. I don’t know why Rocksteady didn’t do this. It would have been an epic swan song for Kevin Conroy.
Disrespect the characters and Disrespect the customer, that seems to be the thought in most entertainment these days
>Beginning of the review: Calm, collected, establishing points of discussion with fair critiques.
>End of the review: 13:19
God, I feel so bad for Arkham fans.
Overheard from the executive board room: "Quick! What do the kids like now? EDGY! Suicide Squad = Edgy! We unceremoniously execute Batman = Edgy! We piss on the Flash = Edgy! We crack jokes in dire serious situations = Edgy! All the kids like edgy stuff and we have all the edgy!"....*eye roll*....I have officially said edgy so much it sounds weird. I super loved the Arkham games and this is just sad. It's a game that was likely (conceptually) developed and mandated by 50+ yr old executives watching trends and imagining what the kids like now....
you're absolutely correct, this game is a massive disappointment. imo not only because of the story, but even more so because of the bland enemy and mission types
Bro, I agree with you bro,
I was so upset and pissed off by the end of the game
this was the first game I ever gave a negative review becuase it was clear that the persons who made the game hate my heroes
and I won't spending a another diamond on this game and jokes aren't funny
ROCKSTEADY didn’t make this, NOTSTEADY did.
Honestly this probably is the truth. I haven't actually checked but I bet you this is another situation like Redfall. The game gets a ton of hype off the developer's name but none of the people who made them popular even work there anymore.
Studios are the people, not the name.
i’ll never forgive them for what they did to my friend🦇
Same.
what’s really depressing is that, who the fuck asked for suicide squad?? whenever i saw a member of the JL i would just scream outloud “WHY CAN’T I PLAY THEM? THEY’RE RIGHT THERE!”
Also i agree with not liking harley, idk why but her voice is so grating and everytime she speaks she has to contort her body, and it just feels so “extra” and awkward.
I always hated the arkham harley, all the major arkham villains are unlikable. But this game took it to a whole nother level
she's annoying af in those games fr
The rocksteady co-founders that left wanted to make a batman beyond game
Nope batman beyond starring Damian Wayne (project sabbath) was by WB Montréal not rocksteady. Who said they were done with batman games.
Whats left of that game is in gotham knights. Rocksteady was making an original IP.
It truly does feel like something out of a bad dream. Like Mad Hatter put all of us under his mind control and we all just want to wake up. Man I would give anything to have Batman rip Jervis’ hat off and save us all from this nightmare 😢
1:24 I don’t know how people actually believed the dude when he said the leaks were fake. WB was clearly doing damage control.
Imagine if this were a Justice League game, but instead of the "all characters on screen at once" style like SS:KTJL or old Marvel games, it was with character switching mechanics similar to Spider-Man 2. Each member with their own playstyle/traversal mechanics/skill tree, and only bringing the characters together for cutscenes, specific missions, etc.
Essentially Spider-Man 2, but with the Justice League and far more advanced playstyle diversity lmaooo
11:52 They weren’t trying to make fans happy. They made this game out of spite as a big “fuck you” to the fans.
You’re not wrong. It wasn’t made by Rocksteady. At least not the Rocksteady that made the Arkham games. Most of those people left Rocksteady. The current Rocksteady may as well be a completely different studio.
And I think it was made by people who hate DC. Not because they’re Marvel shills, but because they’re ideologues who think that the male heroes exhibit “toxic masculinity.” That’s why Wonder Woman is the only member of the Justice League who is treated with respect.
I agree. Its a very messed up trend happening in society that’s celebrating Villains and saying they are misunderstood or allowed to do bad things because they were unfairly treated and heroes are the problem.
Saying Green Lantern is a problem for being a Marine in Military & a “Cop” of the space universe.
Saying Batman is actually wrong and a fascist for being rich, not giving all his money away (which would not be enough to stop violence in gotham btw) and he has actually been the problem messing up others psychologically.
The speech from Harley Quinn before she kills Batman shows the idiocy. She accuses him of being the problem even though in Lore shes had killed children, tortured people and is the real psychopath villain that Batman has tried repeatedly to help.
Definitely feels like "hate mail" instead of a love letter to DC and the arkhamverse. It's not how charecters die, it's how they are written and put down like dogs. And it's how NOT villianous (cause they ARE villians) the squad is it's how unlikable most of them are
It blows my mind that this game is barely 10 hours long and was worked on for 9 years like wtf were they doing for all that time.
They had to get the store up and running as smoothly as possible. Apparently it was still working while the servers were done.
This game shouldn’t have come out YET.
It should’ve been like this:
Arkham Asylum, Arkham City, Arkham Origins, and Arkham Knight.
1 or 2 Superman games.
1 or 2 Green Lantern games.
1 or 2 Flash games.
1 or 2 Wonder Women games.
Then we should of had this Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League Game, or better yet, a Justice League game
Tbh I would say look at nrs Wanerbros will not give us a good JL game cuz they think evil superheroes sell better
This isn't a cinematic universe bruh they could've just made 1 or 2 justice league games
@@X31F thank you
@@X31F I thought of it as like we get to understand every character of the Justice League before doing a Justice League game
I gotta say, I've been against this game since the day it was first announced and this time, I feel completely vindicated. It's one thing to play as DC characters that have never been playable before in a third-person game and this could have been one that I would've had my mind changed on if things turned out differently. However, it's another thing entirely when the story forces players to kill off so many beloved superheroes, especially in such a way where it's like the developers are flipping off fans of the Justice League and its individual members. Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League is one of the most appalling games I've ever had the misfortune of sharing the same universe as.
It does not matter how developers feel or how hard they worked when they create and release something that is so insulting and disrespectful to the DC franchise itself (or any franchise, really) and the people who love it. The developers at Rocksteady should have known this was a bad idea from the start and it's frustrating how they have neither the empathy nor the common sense to acknowledge that they were wrong to push this wretched thing at us and think we would praise them for it. The people at Rocksteady can talk about how much work they put into this and all that other jazz until the cows come home, but they're not fooling anyone: they're just making poor excuses to try and make the negative criticism they're getting disappear.
I don't know what their problem is, but whatever the case may be, Rocksteady needs to fix it, because this is just not okay.
LMAO, my man sounds confused and hurt! 🤣, its not just you man. wtf is this game?
Sincerely let down by how Rocksteady handled the Arkham Ip... 9 years, of anticipation for the next installment. But what if following the events of Arkham Knight Batman recently joined the Justice League prior to events in SSKJL. Instead of these two awful games, "Gotham Knights", and "Suicide squad kill the Justice league". Reather then the suicide squad you play as Batman and the Bat-family. Instead of killing the Justice League you break them free of Brainiacs control, one by one. Adding each member to the Look-out Tower off world, aiding you in your quest to stop the invasion of earth. Leaving Superman for last where it becomes Arkhams version of the Dark Knight Returns. As you fight Superman in a full Bat-mech suit (Armored core style). Once the Justice League is rescued, together you start their conquest to go after Brainiac. Swapping between Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Martian Man Hunter and Cyborg. Using their abilities to take him down, and take back Earth.
Finally, I've been waiting days to hear your opinion, but I feared that you were gonna go dark again, only to show up 1 year later.
Funny thing is that they didn’t have to kill Batman. He was contained they could had saved him but they went out of the way to kill him. People might comment “they had to kill him to lure Superman to their location.” That is bs Superman knows where their HQ since he was there when Amanda Waller was screaming to get her to the hall of justice. So all the squad had to do was wait there without killing Batman. This game is shit.
Not all hope is lost. Theres leaked audio of flash on twitter post ending. Hopefully they dont scrap it because the NEED TO REVERSE COURSE
Honestly I would’ve taken a Red Hood solo game with a mix between Devil May Cry and free flow for combat.
Too bad he was probably murdered off screen by Batman. I'll never accept this Dog💩 game as cannon.
@@Candypants217 There isn’t any mention of Jason’s death let alone any implications of it. Even if SSKTJL is canon, Jason would be fine.
It’s funny how the stuff we thought was going to be good (the story) is god awful and the stuff we thought was going to be bad (the gameplay) was decent
lets not get crazy here, the gameplay is very boring once you realize its just one loop on repeat.
@@braddl9442loop repeat stuff can be fun despite it being repetitive. Most games are repetitive. You’re someone who doesn’t like this gameplay, and here I am as someone who does; it’s fun to play as boomerang zipping around. People just have different tastes; it isn’t black and white.
@@GodSmiteven the shitton of escort missions
Absolutely !! Who wanted this !!
So many mistakes made & I think its a combination of reasons why. Writers literally pissing on our favorite heroes not understanding fans, game devs that make incredible single player story stealth action being forced by Greedy CEOs to make a cash grab 4 player battlpass always online microtransactions looter shooter.
So many failures happened and i think many players tried to warn them. Avengers & Anthem failing were warning signs ignored.
I feel bad for Rocksteady & devs that cared but they could have seen this coming. I think some did and quit the studio & started a new studio. Such a shame.
my only question to the people that bought it and are saying it's garbage is. what did you see the last 3 years that made you think it would be good?
I would say it’s an understatement to call myself a fan of the Arkham games. They’re probably in the top 3 for me. In my 30s now and don’t get as excited about superhero stuff anymore but I still can’t get chills watching that trailer from origins showing Bruce growing up. So love some good Batman content and also DC by extension. It is such a bummer to get this as the follow-up. I know people might not agree but I really liked Gotham knights. Why wasn’t rocksteady working on that? That is the perfect follow up to Knight and just needed some rocksteady attention. Let WB games make the goofy looter shooter no one asked for. It really is just too bad. But I’ve got all the Arkham games redownloaded, I’m gonna go enjoy those for the billionth time and I’ll check out Suicide Squad when it’s $7.99 or something
The biggest thing holding this game back is just the sheer lack of mission variety. Escort missions and point defence. That's the whole game. Which, to be fair, may be added later, but should have been present at launch.
“This game is making me depressed”. Well it’s called the “Suicide Squad” for a reason.😂
This makes no sense has a game if Rocksteady wanted to do a villain based game they should've made a Legion of Doom kills the Justice League that made sense having the Arch Villains of Flash , Superman, Batman , Wonder Woman and Green Lantern come together and say lets ice the JLA and Lex Luthor steals Batmans plans that wouldve been a interesting plot cause i can see them killing the Justice League is the Legion of Doom.
Also lets not forget Rocksteady seems to have forgotten the lore too like the Lanterns , Superman using the Gold Kryptonite like really yall dug into Silver Age crap with Gold Kryptonite? Like dude what?
Yeah it’s unbelievably disheartening. Not particularly awful or anything, just weird. It just feels like a game that is literally made by trolls, and less experienced hippies…
😂 so true
I predicted this game would suck the moment it was announced.
It's always fun to see people (specially people like youtubers, that make content out of games) who can discuss this game without getting agrevisse. Every person deserves an opinion, but there's absolutely no way to disrespect the developers and/or people who like the game, and you did a fantastic job on being respectable. I just feel good knowing most people from the Rocksteady we knew were not involved in this game, even though it will inevitably (and deservedly so) ruin Rocksteady's image.
Now, it's your time to turn the tables!
Marvel's Avengers had a better story mode, each hero played differently, and they treated their characters with respect. For all its faults I can't see how Suicide Squad is better in any conceivable metric.
I haven't watched the video yet, but.. This is not an arkahm game and all the complaining about batman specifically has been extremely cringe as someone who isn't emotionally invested in batman as a superhero. There are thousands of batman stories with different versions of the character. Go read a comic about him being 1 of the versions you like if you can't stomach a game where he is the bad guy.
I think it was also n F U to the old Rocksteady leadership/crew, “Now its our turn” in the Batman scene
Your analysis is spot on this game is doa all around was gonna buy it today but after watching so many negative reviews decided Im good 🦇🎮👌
I swear this fealt like they wanted to make a THE BOYS : Kill The SEVEN
Agreed. Honestly I agree with IGN it deserves a 5/10
The Game was TRASH the moment Batman was revealed to be around POST KNIGHT, NOBODY should have bought it just because it RUINS Arkham Knights symbolic ending! We should have gotten a FULL Prequel Trilogy instead. DONT BUYT IT! It's a LITERAL insult to everything that came before it!
Slc, this game made me crazy, too. I have been nonstop thinking about it and watching review videos about it for the past 3 days straight; literally done nothing else. I'm starting to wonder if this is even healthy.
Damn I as well. I never like the concept so I am obviously not the target audience so I should just ignore it. But the fact that it’s the Arkham verse just makes me upset.
I feel like the people who liked the Suicide Squad movies made this game.
i don't care for the game in the least and will never play it. i don't get why anyone pre-ordered it really, except youtubers for a review. i don't get what people expected after the second trailer dropped. it was all there, the childish humour, the gameplay, even the story to an extent, and it only went downhill from there especially after the leak. so i'm not surprised in the least people are hating on it. really, who is this game even for? nobody.
also don't justify anyone making this game. they didn't do it for "the fans", they did it for the money which they will not be getting from the fans. nobody wanted this. what people did and still do want is Arkham Origins' sequels. if they had tried making that and then failed then you could've said "well they tried for the fans", but as it is with Suicide Squad no, they didn't do it for the fans. and they deserve all the backlash.
I feel bad for you a dude. You really love the Arkham games like the rest of us. What a let down.
Why they don't make arkham batman vs all justice league without his contingency plan but his intelligent and moves to help suicide squad to fight justice league than sacrifices himself to save Justice league
It’s funny how in the Arkham games, getting exposed to fear toxin cripples people’s minds, makes them feel helpless and vulnerable… but here it just takes the idea of the joker section in Arkham knight and shows a cool looking Batman and captain boomerang just has a beer sign pop up lol
Would really like to hear your opinion on the direction the arkhamverse is gonna go from here, james gunn has said he has no plans of this being the last arkhamverse game.
How do you even move forward with the Arkham universe after this game atp, even if they do a cop out else world thing or have a flash variant go back in time and reboot it, it’s still not the same universe then (though right now I think that would be best for dc games) only thing I can think of that would work would be an Arkham origins sequel but I highly doubt that will happen since wb loves to pretend origins doesn’t exist
@@Billy-tn3ftEven an Origins sequel is kinda pointless if we know *this* is where the character ends up. Best case is to reveal the game is not canon and have the real Arkham Batman show up as a variant. Not sure how that'd work without Kevin though.
@@kidanarchy2105 in my head it was never canon to begin with, the Arkham universe ended with the knightfall protocol idc what anyone says, this game is just bad fan fiction
@@Billy-tn3ft I think it's a good story, but ONLY if it's not canon. I like how dark and depressing it is, but only in the context of an AU. So I definitely agree on not wanting it to be canon, despite liking the story.
well they killed tim drake and possibly the whole bat family so the arkham verse is fucked rn
I feel you slc 😢 I waited 9 years for this shit all they had to do was copy the same formula with some minor tweaks man it’s sad hopefully sefton hills new company can make a new Batman game and new universe because rocksteady done.
They call you a hater because they just not fans of heroes or even know what what the Arkham trilogy is probably kids mostly just not fans
Bro when I seen the lgb flag in the hall of justice I knew it was game over 😂
This game should’ve just been a “The Boys” video game if they wanted to kill superheroes. The disrespect of how our heroes die just makes me wish roscksteady just didn’t make another game after Arkham Knight
I feel it's not right to even call the graphics good. They are watered down and crap, especially for a 2024 game. The same amount of time it took for *former* rocksteady to make all 3 games, too *new* rocksteady about the same time to just make 1 game….and everything except for facial animations is legit trash. The UI is horrible, combat isnt anything special it’s very lukewarm, worst of all is it’s narrative and forced messaging. What a failure. I can easily say THIS rocksteady is not the team we came to love. None of the team from the old games made this one. They all left, and for good reason.
This dude spends the first 5minutes saying he likes everything about the game except the story and that this LOOTER SHOOTER is bad because of the story lmfao. Weirdest take i've heard so far and I think the gameplay is super mediocre.
The only thing that would make me happy is considering this game uncannon and release a Batman beyond game, Superman game and maybe a suicide Squad with the roster of Arkham origins like deathstroke where the game is a little similar to the lego dc super villains, it’s about the justice league disappearing and the only people they can rely on is the villains have villains like Arkham knight, it doesn’t need to be open world for example like guardians of the galaxy game have the main villain who is not as threatening as brainiac or darkseid and after that we can see a justice league game.
Agree on your point the only scene that got me interested was the first batman scene in the museum, that got me interested, only to be sourly disappointed with how batman is disposed.
You think they’ll fix the Arkhaverse later on down the battle pass using the multiverse ?
I never played it yet but when I saw the reviews I was like idk
You should get a refund
"This is how it happened. This is how Rocksteady died."
I just disagree with the story hate. The gameplay is fun but repetitive which is a mixed bag and Is kinda carried by the traversal but I liked all the characters and there interactions. Also thought Batman’s message was a nice way to say goodbye to that character and what he stood for and Harley gets to get her revenge and does what Batman probably would have wanted her to do. Superman is the only character where I feel like they did him way too dirty. Dudes barely in the game compared to the others who gets lots of time to spend with the players. But obviously just my opinions and I wanted to share them! Great vid
THE GOAT HAS RETURNED!