i would hope to agree with you, but as a brewer. i have to disagree. Banning Dockside and Jeweled Lotus did not change the format for the better i guess. Because weakening Turbo will not strength Stax. So we will go more into midrange. The deck losing the least as always is BlueFarm and not playing Blue is now just straight up unplayable. The card which had to be banned the most is still Rhystic and this makes Rhystic even stronger
@firefighter0ger809 hey no worries on disagreeing, I'm fully willing to be wrong! Only time will tell. I just know that no matter what people will always find ways to adapt. Appreciate your thoughts!
Rog/Si and Kinnan are going to be the best decks in cEDH IMO making the format incredibly stale. These decks got hurt the least. Blue Farm will still be up there but losing Dockside, Crypt, and Lotus all hurt the Kraum gameplan turning it into Rhystic.dek.
@ModAnonMTG stax wasn't losing because of turbo players, stax was losing because they couldn't close put games that are 80mins long. This banning just homogenized the format where decks like blue farm or rogsai are now officially the strongest decks.
I sold my reserved list/ high dollar cards and moved to proxies because I’m not trusting a possible ban to make a card worthless. I feel bad for the guy who bought my mana crypt 2 days ago.
So you think allowing blue farm and rogsi to completely take over the format even more is a good thing?? That's one hell of a hot take. This was a stupid ban for cedh. All this does is make sure that no other decks can compete with rogsi and blue farm which was already a growing problem. Everyone is out here going on about maybe this will be good for the format. How is taking out one of the only cards that lets you get back into the game from forth seat good? How is making rogsi just that much better than all the other decks a good thing? CEDH is about power level they needed to raise the power lvl of other decks not cut their legs out.
I’ve been saying this, as an Atraxa player I’m tired of this turbo naus meta and this just makes midrange commanders like tivit or Atraxa unplayable. I feel I got kicked out of the format.
we just tried this. it doesn't work. people want to play the most competitive version of edh. if you split the format you make something else and cedh remains with the original rc.
I guess from my perspective, a truly competitive player wouldn't care about what is or isn't banned. The thing a competitive player cares about is being good at the game and winning. A competitive player would gladly cut any card from a deck if it means they can win more games. Every change in the format is simply a new puzzle to attempt to solve. Having favorite cards/decks seems like an inherently casual way of thinking about the game. This is not intended to be an insult, I genuinely enjoying playing casual for this very reason, if there is a card I like, I can play it, even if it is bad or not technically legal. Are professional modern players not playing "competitive" because they can't play chrome mox? No that would be a ridiculous thing to claim. Being a competitive player is not about the cards you play, its about the philosophy and mindset of how you approach the game.
I see casual players play these cards all the time. Many casual player simply do not even look at what is meta in cEDH, they just see a cool card and play it. If you have a regular group, this is not an issue. If you play at you LGS you have probably ran into all of these cards before.
i hear you that you think it will spark creativity, but i think this just kills a lot of fringe decks and the cedh format will become even more homogenized. naya and jund are pointless now. people will flock to the good decks, and these bans, in a weird way, just buffed grixis and esper
Love this take and the overall positivity. I agree with the effect on the format. The financial component is devastating for many, and that absolutely sucks, but the impact on deck creativity feels like a win.
The best? Nah lol. I’m selling off my ENTIRE mtg collection now. lol. People only bought those crappy commander master packs to chase jeweled lotuses and now that they’ve made their money back from that crappy set they’re gonna ban the one card people wanted? Nah stupid ban list. Magic was fun while it lasted but I knew one day I would have to grow up and give up my childhood card game.
@@Franzolly so Sheldon dies and the committee thinks it’s ok to bend every cedh player over the table? Nah, stupid choice on their part. There are ALOT of people that agree with me that it’s time to move on from this card game.
These only help Rog/Si and Blue Farm get further ahead. Killing dockside killed diversity. Etali is dead and Korvold is dead this feels like a slight against cEDH forcing the two versions of the format to truly split
I say it hurts blue farm a lot since their is no more powering out kraum to get that consistent card draw. I agree rogsi is going to become a problem now..
You forgot about Kinnan. That deck got nothing but boosted as well from this list. Blue farm is still viable but losing 3 great cards hurts. Banning dockside now just feels like a kick in the groin from a play pattern perspective when it posed a potent problem for so long.
This ban announcement is dumb. Why not get rid of all the other fast mana at that point (Chrome Mox, LED, Mox Diamond, Mana Vault, Grim Monolith, Lotus Petal, etc.)? Also if they were gonna ban anything it should've been Thassa's oracle. I'm so sick of losing to a two card 3 CMC combo of Thassa's oracle and demonic consultation. Literally the best combo in the format and it didn't get a ban.
Then you just have 2 separate formats. And you will have 2 separate competitive scenes. If you have a format competitive players will play will want to play it optimally, even if it was intended to the "casual" format (that is how cEDH came to be in the first place). Casual players will not care about either ban list, they weren't gonna run any of those cards anyway.
I am super excited to see how to format changes over the coming weeks 🙏🏻 This is very exciting! Also, I think RogSi will take a hit and be a bit slower.
Completely agree with your view on the banlist. As a person who plays Yugioh, getting your expensive cards banned sucks but you get over it once the new stuff comes out for cheap. The lesson learned here is to not treat cardboard games like an investment if you are going to play the game because otherwise, you might as well just become a collector.
@danilohernandez8989 yeah I understand everyone being upset about spending money on their cards and losing it, it hurts, but you're right, if you played with them and enjoyed it you're getting your money's worth, if your concern is the monetary value you're always better off getting your money instead of keeping it parked in collectibles. It's a tough lesson but clearly an important one
I’m not upset about the bans they made (although I wish they’d experiment with more unbans), but I do wish the RC had a watchlist available somewhere, a place where cards can go to still be legal, but acknowledged as on the chopping block for future bans. Then players wouldn’t be as blindsided by the bans
this is actually something they regularly do in the RC announcements! Dockside has been named as being on their watchlist for years, Lotus and Crypt I'm unsure of if they've been referenced as well by name.
@@ModAnonMTG You're right, and that's why Dockside doesn''t really feel like a blindside. But having a full posted list I think would be a lot more effective than them just mentioning a couple cards in their announcements but missing out on other cards they're looking into heavily.
After thinking about it, I just don't know who these bans were for. Casual players will rule 0 out any stuff they don't like in their local groups. Salty casuals will just choose not to play against stuff they dislike. Competitive players play the format because they want access to all the most powerful, broken stuff and know exactly what they are signing up for. Yet, competitive players like our favorite tourney goers are literally bound by these rules. So who benefits from the changes? No one...?
This is a TERRIBLE ban for cEDH and EDH as a whole, honestly even Magic and Wizards as a whole. This made a ton of players lose faith in the RC and the game, and it shat on a ton of fringe decks in cEDH that were able to complete with blue farm simply because of dockside. I honestly believe this ban is in response to the cEDH RC trying to get itself off the ground, the rules committee doesn’t care about cEDH and they’re letting us know
Sit down at a casual table and play mana crypt and JLo and people sigh... Rightfully so! But in cEDH where the goal is to win and play efficiently, these should be okay... Like everyone uses them and it is accepted in the community. Kinda crazy in my opinion. Like where do you play JLo now? Crazy good card in literally one instance. Will be interesting to see where things go from here.
If dockside is a problem then so is rhystic study, mystic remora, esper sentinel, and smothering tithe.... Oh wait which fed dockside. Literally all those cards require you to get whole table to play around and not feed the player with it.
@@lazarlazarteam1033 you think WOTC cares? They made their money back on those crappy commander master packs and said “Ok now you can ban the one card people bought those packs for.”
My issue is the reasoning with Sol Ring. They openly admit it should be banned, but wont do it. To me that says fast mana wasnt the issue. This whole ban feels like someone lost hard to Korvold and went "I'LL SHOW YOU!"
@thetimebinder why not hit mox's, petal, grim monolith? Also, again...if it's bad for the format, it's bad for the format. Not their fault wizards printed a card that shouldn't be played.
Here's what i dont understand: whos Playing with Dockside in casual? Also in casual doesn't Jeweled Lotus help non-green commanders a fighting chance early?.
This is an awful ban list. Don't know what you're smoking Mod. This kills so many fringe decks and barely hits rogsi and kinnan. The format is worse in the long run for it. Cedh needs it's own RC more than ever. It's just a shame that these bans were announced after the cedh rc fell apart instead of before because it would've energized the movement
Wouldn't a separate cEDH ban list result in significantly more banned cards? As they would be banning based on power level, instead of banning based on gameplay logistics and vibes. Similar to the split between Legacy and Vintage. That would probably mean saying good bye to cards like Thoracle, Breach, and Demonic Tutor. If the goal was to create a competitively balanced format you would need to ban all the OP cards, not just the disruptive ones. If you want no ban list, that format already exists.
I'm not convinced by the monopoly of the RC on the way commander should be played. Also I don't understand your argument : if you seek creativity, the staples of EDH should be removed as they limit the 100 card to only maybe 80. Then Sol Ring, Command Tower, Commander sphere (for casual) etc should be banned. As mostly a "casual" commander pilot, I never enjoy ramp (jeweled and crypt specifically) being banned, as it immediately favors green and its ramp package, which is already that strong. Green ramp is never challenged it feels like, even if it leads to the same problems as a crypt. Dockside is more of a combo piece, so I can understand its banning.
I love how easy it is to tell that these cards are awful for casual games, just from him saying "Had it happen to me in my casual games" at 1:15. They're things that happen to you, not things that just happen in the game.
@brycematthew3115 damn thats honestly a really good way to put it lol. It's certainly a thing of when those cards come out I instantly think "oh were playing a different game with different motivations." Which isn't a bad thing, there's a place for all kinds of game play but I think these bans will likely lead to that sort of thing happening far less
Cedh should be separated with its own banlist at this point with people spending hundreds on these cards and now they are useless and worthless also red decks took a nuke with this ban I feel like cedh should be fast and powerful and snowball because it's competitive that's the name of the game other than that have a different format name it vintage commander and don't have a ban list
@lukebortot7625 conspiracy theory: they sold thier copies prior to announcing the bans. Yah of course they don't profit from wotc, they are not affiliated with them. They have however built a strong repor with the community, that they instantly nuked.
@@lukebortot7625 yes they do. Wizards told the RC “We made our money back on the commander masters product, go ahead and ban the one card people bought those packs for.”
Ngl, i will miss seeing the more niche decks pop up but I think this is the best banning for the cedh community, i get that it sucks to lose out on money cards and i feel for those who paid so much for these cards but I think this shake up is more exciting than sad. Slowing the format down by a bit allows for decks like kiki-jiki shenanigans to come back a bit while making blue decks even more the villain than it was in the past. I'm kinda stoked to see what dekcs folks come up with now.
I think you jumped the gun. It’s not that bad but…slowing down the format while simultaneously printing so many cards we can’t keep up with . Hmmm I don’t think it’s good for the format. nadu, dockside and lotus are sure maybes but crypt is bs. Can’t wait to fall asleep to incredibly slow vids from the channel lol.
I have multiple issues with this list. Not due to the fact that these cards are banned but by how long it took to ban Dockside Extortionist. This card has been a prominent issue in cedh and edh for awhile now and should have been dealt with years ago. Nadu and Jeweled Lotus should have never seen printing. Mana crypt is also completely polarizing but I think it should've been banned at the start with Sol Ring.
This I agree with wholeheartedly. I may not agree with the banning but if you are going to ban cards for specific reasoning don't half a** it. Ban all cards that give that advantage. They also waited way too long to ban these cards. I probably would have other feelings towards the ban of the two rock had they had done it years and years ago.
@@GrandpaWazi I agree with this. My issue with this is they waited to ban Dockside and Jeweled Lotus after Commander Masters II is basically sold out. That's scummy to me.
@@GrandpaWazi To be honest, I think these choices are in bad taste with the amount of time they've been a problem. Jeweled Lotus should have been banned with hullbreacher. Dockside should have been banned the update after Flash got banned. Mana Crypt should have been banned with Sol Ring decades ago. Nadu is fine because it was addressed timely (both cedh and edh aren't complaining about it). If anything this just feels like a power move by the Rules Committee and nothing else.
14:55 or WotC will ignore this and do what they want... seems like a golden opportunity for WotC to present themselves as the Internet darling and separate themselves from the now obviously pointless rules committee
i would hope to agree with you, but as a brewer. i have to disagree. Banning Dockside and Jeweled Lotus did not change the format for the better i guess. Because weakening Turbo will not strength Stax. So we will go more into midrange. The deck losing the least as always is BlueFarm and not playing Blue is now just straight up unplayable. The card which had to be banned the most is still Rhystic and this makes Rhystic even stronger
@firefighter0ger809 hey no worries on disagreeing, I'm fully willing to be wrong! Only time will tell. I just know that no matter what people will always find ways to adapt.
Appreciate your thoughts!
Rog/Si and Kinnan are going to be the best decks in cEDH IMO making the format incredibly stale. These decks got hurt the least. Blue Farm will still be up there but losing Dockside, Crypt, and Lotus all hurt the Kraum gameplan turning it into Rhystic.dek.
@ModAnonMTG stax wasn't losing because of turbo players, stax was losing because they couldn't close put games that are 80mins long. This banning just homogenized the format where decks like blue farm or rogsai are now officially the strongest decks.
I recognize that the council has made a decision, but given that its a stupid-ass decision, ive elected to ignore it -Nick Fury
Good luck getting your opponents to agree with you.
@thetimebinder yeah i play with friends we're gonna ignore it. Cept nadu
I may never spend over $10 on a magic card ever again. I saved up and made my cEDH deck proxyless and just lost hundreds of dollars
A lesson learned I play Yuriko but didn’t bother buying these cards, don’t need them.
I sold my reserved list/ high dollar cards and moved to proxies because I’m not trusting a possible ban to make a card worthless. I feel bad for the guy who bought my mana crypt 2 days ago.
i will have lost THOUSANDS when all is said and done, this is INSANE.
:D
I have lost a total of $400 in value. I no longer trust WOTC
So you think allowing blue farm and rogsi to completely take over the format even more is a good thing?? That's one hell of a hot take. This was a stupid ban for cedh. All this does is make sure that no other decks can compete with rogsi and blue farm which was already a growing problem. Everyone is out here going on about maybe this will be good for the format. How is taking out one of the only cards that lets you get back into the game from forth seat good? How is making rogsi just that much better than all the other decks a good thing? CEDH is about power level they needed to raise the power lvl of other decks not cut their legs out.
I’ve been saying this, as an Atraxa player I’m tired of this turbo naus meta and this just makes midrange commanders like tivit or Atraxa unplayable. I feel I got kicked out of the format.
@@sergiolopezalvarez5643 atraxa died today 😢
Well, guess I'm going straight to land destruction to reallly slow the format.
I sometimes think that competitive and casual need different people who actually on the rules community
we just tried this. it doesn't work. people want to play the most competitive version of edh. if you split the format you make something else and cedh remains with the original rc.
I guess from my perspective, a truly competitive player wouldn't care about what is or isn't banned. The thing a competitive player cares about is being good at the game and winning. A competitive player would gladly cut any card from a deck if it means they can win more games. Every change in the format is simply a new puzzle to attempt to solve. Having favorite cards/decks seems like an inherently casual way of thinking about the game. This is not intended to be an insult, I genuinely enjoying playing casual for this very reason, if there is a card I like, I can play it, even if it is bad or not technically legal. Are professional modern players not playing "competitive" because they can't play chrome mox? No that would be a ridiculous thing to claim. Being a competitive player is not about the cards you play, its about the philosophy and mindset of how you approach the game.
@@lukebortot7625cedh players arent sad because these are pet cards, they are sad because these bans hurt the metagame diversity.
Never buying commander product again
Its not good. Also not the worst but the cules committe basically gave a lot of people a huge middle finger
Why is this good ?
Does your casual commander pod have a problem with people playing cedh? Please talk to them about it.
Thank you!
Exactly might as well create a whole new format and ignore the RC.
Why does it bother you? There is always Rule Zero If you still want to play said cards.
I see casual players play these cards all the time. Many casual player simply do not even look at what is meta in cEDH, they just see a cool card and play it. If you have a regular group, this is not an issue. If you play at you LGS you have probably ran into all of these cards before.
i hear you that you think it will spark creativity, but i think this just kills a lot of fringe decks and the cedh format will become even more homogenized. naya and jund are pointless now. people will flock to the good decks, and these bans, in a weird way, just buffed grixis and esper
Love this take and the overall positivity. I agree with the effect on the format. The financial component is devastating for many, and that absolutely sucks, but the impact on deck creativity feels like a win.
The best? Nah lol. I’m selling off my ENTIRE mtg collection now. lol. People only bought those crappy commander master packs to chase jeweled lotuses and now that they’ve made their money back from that crappy set they’re gonna ban the one card people wanted? Nah stupid ban list. Magic was fun while it lasted but I knew one day I would have to grow up and give up my childhood card game.
If that’s your reaction to it, you probably should’ve been proxying all along
Also remember that commander committe is not wotc. And thank god i might add
@@Franzolly but wizards also lets the committee be a thing. this is gonna cost them now because a lot of people are pissed.
@@geoffreybomber proxy cards are NOT legal in competitive tournament play.
@@Franzolly so Sheldon dies and the committee thinks it’s ok to bend every cedh player over the table? Nah, stupid choice on their part. There are ALOT of people that agree with me that it’s time to move on from this card game.
Looks like cedh is going to get it's own cedh RC committee.
It needs to at this point.
Hopefully no one on it is a hateful freak this time!
These only help Rog/Si and Blue Farm get further ahead. Killing dockside killed diversity. Etali is dead and Korvold is dead this feels like a slight against cEDH forcing the two versions of the format to truly split
I say it hurts blue farm a lot since their is no more powering out kraum to get that consistent card draw. I agree rogsi is going to become a problem now..
You forgot about Kinnan. That deck got nothing but boosted as well from this list. Blue farm is still viable but losing 3 great cards hurts. Banning dockside now just feels like a kick in the groin from a play pattern perspective when it posed a potent problem for so long.
@@roguetrenton9285there still grim to power out kraum
our and many stores will r0 our games to ignore this banannouncement. forever 22/9.
I very much liked your positive take. Thanks you. OBM would've been nice to make dorks more relevant again.
This ban announcement is dumb. Why not get rid of all the other fast mana at that point (Chrome Mox, LED, Mox Diamond, Mana Vault, Grim Monolith, Lotus Petal, etc.)?
Also if they were gonna ban anything it should've been Thassa's oracle. I'm so sick of losing to a two card 3 CMC combo of Thassa's oracle and demonic consultation. Literally the best combo in the format and it didn't get a ban.
BS mana crypt banned! Lame
Dude is doing tricks on the RC
I think people are being very overly dramatic about a hobby, yourself included. We'll all live
Can't wait to see what people replace their clones with, probably some kind of stax to slow down turbo? Also can't wait to play Blood Moon again 😅
less about the stax but the clone comment is spot on. Non red decks running clones to have a dockside. Think of all the new cards people can use now
Yea I'm done with buying magic cards . From now on only proxies
make a separate banlist for cEDH and casual
Then you just have 2 separate formats. And you will have 2 separate competitive scenes. If you have a format competitive players will play will want to play it optimally, even if it was intended to the "casual" format (that is how cEDH came to be in the first place). Casual players will not care about either ban list, they weren't gonna run any of those cards anyway.
No.
I am super excited to see how to format changes over the coming weeks 🙏🏻
This is very exciting!
Also, I think RogSi will take a hit and be a bit slower.
Completely agree with your view on the banlist. As a person who plays Yugioh, getting your expensive cards banned sucks but you get over it once the new stuff comes out for cheap.
The lesson learned here is to not treat cardboard games like an investment if you are going to play the game because otherwise, you might as well just become a collector.
@danilohernandez8989 yeah I understand everyone being upset about spending money on their cards and losing it, it hurts, but you're right, if you played with them and enjoyed it you're getting your money's worth, if your concern is the monetary value you're always better off getting your money instead of keeping it parked in collectibles.
It's a tough lesson but clearly an important one
What kind of dumbass point is this? If I can't expect cards to retain value I wouldn't buy a card over 1$. It completely breaks the point of mtg
Agreed
@@ChrisThe1 I dont expect to my cards retain value and i dont buy card over 5 dolars.
@@MrxDaffy that‘s nice for you, but that wasn‘t the case for everyone
At this point there is mana vault, grim monolith, Gaias cradle ! Mox diamond, sol ring etc
I’m not upset about the bans they made (although I wish they’d experiment with more unbans), but I do wish the RC had a watchlist available somewhere, a place where cards can go to still be legal, but acknowledged as on the chopping block for future bans. Then players wouldn’t be as blindsided by the bans
this is actually something they regularly do in the RC announcements! Dockside has been named as being on their watchlist for years, Lotus and Crypt I'm unsure of if they've been referenced as well by name.
@@ModAnonMTG You're right, and that's why Dockside doesn''t really feel like a blindside. But having a full posted list I think would be a lot more effective than them just mentioning a couple cards in their announcements but missing out on other cards they're looking into heavily.
"in a way that no other card does" except mana crypt and jeweled lotus
Might as well make another format at this point.
After thinking about it, I just don't know who these bans were for.
Casual players will rule 0 out any stuff they don't like in their local groups. Salty casuals will just choose not to play against stuff they dislike.
Competitive players play the format because they want access to all the most powerful, broken stuff and know exactly what they are signing up for. Yet, competitive players like our favorite tourney goers are literally bound by these rules.
So who benefits from the changes? No one...?
Rule zero didn't work. It's very hard to tell someone they can't play a legal card.
Grislebrand was banned a week or two after debut
@W0rM404 oh good shout! That one was before my time in magic
This is a TERRIBLE ban for cEDH and EDH as a whole, honestly even Magic and Wizards as a whole. This made a ton of players lose faith in the RC and the game, and it shat on a ton of fringe decks in cEDH that were able to complete with blue farm simply because of dockside. I honestly believe this ban is in response to the cEDH RC trying to get itself off the ground, the rules committee doesn’t care about cEDH and they’re letting us know
If I can’t jam Malcolm and Rhystic on turn one I don’t want to play anymore.
Sit down at a casual table and play mana crypt and JLo and people sigh... Rightfully so! But in cEDH where the goal is to win and play efficiently, these should be okay... Like everyone uses them and it is accepted in the community. Kinda crazy in my opinion. Like where do you play JLo now? Crazy good card in literally one instance. Will be interesting to see where things go from here.
Sometimes change is good
Just print a 3/3 Green Grizzly Bear. It's what the sorcery speed EDH players and RC wants.
If dockside is a problem then so is rhystic study, mystic remora, esper sentinel, and smothering tithe.... Oh wait which fed dockside. Literally all those cards require you to get whole table to play around and not feed the player with it.
This is not good for the format
You think 50% of players switching over to rogsi is healthy? Crazy
@davidreeves4165 yes, that's why I titled the video that, made that the thumbnail, and also said it verbatim for 14 minutes instead of anything else
If all these rogue pet deck players weren't already on Rog/Si, Blue Farm, or Sisay, they weren't really playing to win.
The only thing wrong with this list is not having Rhystic, Mystic, and Bowmasters on it as well.
Cedh didn't have Dockside or Jeweled Lotus for more years than it had them.
I have a Tournament on friday everybody's freaking out
Really exciting!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Love the bans
Mark my words… this is just the beginning, they want to have commander slow, sloppy, precons only.
Welp there goes my korvold deck
This is terrible, people just lost hundreds of dollars worth of cards.
Way more than that
It’s not just the cards, it’s the fringe decks
poor top tier players...
I'll help, if they wanna sell off these cards, I can send a couple bucks their way 😂
@@lazarlazarteam1033 you think WOTC cares? They made their money back on those crappy commander master packs and said “Ok now you can ban the one card people bought those packs for.”
@@vn0688 Oh, so you are just jealous you couldn't play in high powered pods. Got it.
If they were to do this I think a rograkh and OBM ban would have balanced this out- take out rog/si sac fodder and let dorks be viable again.
My issue is the reasoning with Sol Ring. They openly admit it should be banned, but wont do it. To me that says fast mana wasnt the issue.
This whole ban feels like someone lost hard to Korvold and went "I'LL SHOW YOU!"
Fast Mana was the issue. Making thousands of precons illegal isn't a good idea
@@thetimebinder mana crypt is the same thing as sol ring with a turn by turn draw back
@craigchambers1545 Yes, but banning Sol Ring would make every precon illegal. Mana Crypt isn't in precons.
@thetimebinder why not hit mox's, petal, grim monolith? Also, again...if it's bad for the format, it's bad for the format. Not their fault wizards printed a card that shouldn't be played.
Here's what i dont understand: whos Playing with Dockside in casual? Also in casual doesn't Jeweled Lotus help non-green commanders a fighting chance early?.
welp so much for higher power edh. thanks wizards for continuing to screw up at every turn. Who wants bulk cardboard?
Talking about turbo starts....why not banning exploration and burgeoning? Looks like double standards here.
Landfall players even more broken now.
From now on only playing proxies
Based take
Bring back mana dorks and get rid of Bowmasters! Or errata it to damage to target player who is drawing extra cards.
This is an awful ban list. Don't know what you're smoking Mod.
This kills so many fringe decks and barely hits rogsi and kinnan. The format is worse in the long run for it.
Cedh needs it's own RC more than ever. It's just a shame that these bans were announced after the cedh rc fell apart instead of before because it would've energized the movement
Worst ban to ever happen.
worst for sure. we need a cedh rc yesterday.
Ad naus not veing as strong recently 💀💀💀 jesus this take is smoking crack
Give us cedh RC please!
I don’t want to be forced to play slow casual!
CEDH should be considered a completely different format entirely.
Wouldn't a separate cEDH ban list result in significantly more banned cards? As they would be banning based on power level, instead of banning based on gameplay logistics and vibes. Similar to the split between Legacy and Vintage. That would probably mean saying good bye to cards like Thoracle, Breach, and Demonic Tutor. If the goal was to create a competitively balanced format you would need to ban all the OP cards, not just the disruptive ones. If you want no ban list, that format already exists.
@@lukebortot7625 I think the point is to have less banned cards with CEDH
I'm not convinced by the monopoly of the RC on the way commander should be played. Also I don't understand your argument : if you seek creativity, the staples of EDH should be removed as they limit the 100 card to only maybe 80. Then Sol Ring, Command Tower, Commander sphere (for casual) etc should be banned.
As mostly a "casual" commander pilot, I never enjoy ramp (jeweled and crypt specifically) being banned, as it immediately favors green and its ramp package, which is already that strong. Green ramp is never challenged it feels like, even if it leads to the same problems as a crypt.
Dockside is more of a combo piece, so I can understand its banning.
The RC thinking they know what is best for the community is ridiculous..besides nadu nobody asked for this
I love how easy it is to tell that these cards are awful for casual games, just from him saying "Had it happen to me in my casual games" at 1:15. They're things that happen to you, not things that just happen in the game.
@brycematthew3115 damn thats honestly a really good way to put it lol. It's certainly a thing of when those cards come out I instantly think "oh were playing a different game with different motivations." Which isn't a bad thing, there's a place for all kinds of game play but I think these bans will likely lead to that sort of thing happening far less
Sol Ring ban when?
Cedh should be separated with its own banlist at this point with people spending hundreds on these cards and now they are useless and worthless also red decks took a nuke with this ban I feel like cedh should be fast and powerful and snowball because it's competitive that's the name of the game other than that have a different format name it vintage commander and don't have a ban list
Waaahhhh
All this does is promote and encourage proxies. So congrats RC, you played yourself.
The RC is not a part of WOTC they do not make any money off of sales.
@lukebortot7625 conspiracy theory: they sold thier copies prior to announcing the bans.
Yah of course they don't profit from wotc, they are not affiliated with them. They have however built a strong repor with the community, that they instantly nuked.
@@lukebortot7625 yes they do. Wizards told the RC “We made our money back on the commander masters product, go ahead and ban the one card people bought those packs for.”
Ngl, i will miss seeing the more niche decks pop up but I think this is the best banning for the cedh community, i get that it sucks to lose out on money cards and i feel for those who paid so much for these cards but I think this shake up is more exciting than sad. Slowing the format down by a bit allows for decks like kiki-jiki shenanigans to come back a bit while making blue decks even more the villain than it was in the past. I'm kinda stoked to see what dekcs folks come up with now.
they should ban tayam too same reasoning for nadu
Yes, ban tayam!!!
I just wish bowmasters went too
No opinions yet. Interested to see new brews.
@@gypsieking3280 based, non reactionary gamer!
@@ModAnonMTG we try our best.
I think you jumped the gun. It’s not that bad but…slowing down the format while simultaneously printing so many cards we can’t keep up with . Hmmm I don’t think it’s good for the format. nadu, dockside and lotus are sure maybes but crypt is bs. Can’t wait to fall asleep to incredibly slow vids from the channel lol.
@@tequilaswampdonkey3842 as long as you're watching 🫡🇺🇲🦅🏈
See nowthing safe mox opal amber chrome mox bow master sheldred nowthing safe anymore and unbanned a few cards lol
Ban Thassa
the worst
We fought back a few weeks ago, but we need a cedh rc
Ban rhystic but mana crypt wtf
Well said Dan!
WOOO
Mas pra ignorar OBM os cara são bons.
I have multiple issues with this list. Not due to the fact that these cards are banned but by how long it took to ban Dockside Extortionist. This card has been a prominent issue in cedh and edh for awhile now and should have been dealt with years ago. Nadu and Jeweled Lotus should have never seen printing. Mana crypt is also completely polarizing but I think it should've been banned at the start with Sol Ring.
This I agree with wholeheartedly. I may not agree with the banning but if you are going to ban cards for specific reasoning don't half a** it. Ban all cards that give that advantage. They also waited way too long to ban these cards. I probably would have other feelings towards the ban of the two rock had they had done it years and years ago.
@@GrandpaWazi I agree with this. My issue with this is they waited to ban Dockside and Jeweled Lotus after Commander Masters II is basically sold out. That's scummy to me.
@@tking5218 agreed. Their cop put is "wizards doesn't make rules for commander". "it's the rules committee".
@@GrandpaWazi To be honest, I think these choices are in bad taste with the amount of time they've been a problem. Jeweled Lotus should have been banned with hullbreacher. Dockside should have been banned the update after Flash got banned. Mana Crypt should have been banned with Sol Ring decades ago. Nadu is fine because it was addressed timely (both cedh and edh aren't complaining about it). If anything this just feels like a power move by the Rules Committee and nothing else.
14:55 or WotC will ignore this and do what they want... seems like a golden opportunity for WotC to present themselves as the Internet darling and separate themselves from the now obviously pointless rules committee
Or space aliens will descend from the sky and declare martial law and that they're unbanning prime time, truly anything can happen
This literally got posted to WOTC's site.