Parallax is super critical on an airgun and sadly the scopes that come as a package deal don’t have that. UTG has a bunch of scopes that will handle the reverse recoil of a break barrel/piston driven airgun. Most of them are well under 150$ and have side parallax adjustment and for the price of what you get are really great deals. I have 5 and have never had a single issue with any of them. I hope these manufacturers realize of they want their product to shine more bright…they should either not supply a crappy scope and save the buyer money or put one in the box of a higher quality for a few more bucks imho. If it’s that important to me and you enjoy hitting the 10 ring almost every time…than I’m most likely not alone in my line of thinking. God bless.
I use a lot of UTG as well. Love the scopes for air guns even out to 100 yards. I have only had issues with one but it was a manufacturing defect. The reticle did not line up correctly. The horizontal line from left to center, then right to center was a bit off, but it did not effect accuracy so I kept it as is. It’s only a 4x scope for a close range gun. But either way.. awesome scopes.
Never owned UTG. I know SG loves them. But now uses Blackhound because of its camera mount ability and high quality. I will probably buy the Blackhound Genesis 50mm next. Unless I go with the Hawk 8-32 power for the extra magnification. Both are about $500 bucks. But the UTG SWAT looks good for $167. However it's only 4-16 power and I already have Hawk in that regard. But money talks and the UTG is side focus. Maybe I need to try the UTG first.
I have gone thru two of these in the last few weeks. The first one started out fine then for whatever reason it changed the aim point to the point that I wound the up-down dial until it ran out of clicks. I sent it back to Midway Supply and they promptly sent me a replacement. the replacement lasted 30 shots and the reticle shifted 20 or so degrees to the right. after aligning the scope to bring the reticle back to the proper position. then the next shot the reticle shifted to the left by 20 deg. Something inside gave up for sure. I love the way the scope looks and I was hoping that it would do the job. I understand that BSA is actually owned by Gamo so you would expect it to work on their Gamo Magnums. I have now ordered a Vortex for twice the money of the BSA.
Performance tip, not in the instructions: The o-ring seal on the breech, (really a o-ring sleeve), leaks air on the Gamo magnum guns, and you probably notice pellet drop after your first shot, (for your next several shots), if you are shooting long. The sleeve is easily removed with a small flat head screw driver, (don't damage it, it does not take much to move it up and out of the groove.), and you will probably see that it is coated with oil from assembly and shooting, (I have 300 shots through a new gun). I clean the rubber o-ring sleeve with mild soap and water, clean the groove with a solvent, (do no let any get into the compression chamber through the port hole), and use a dab of gasket sealer on the bottom of the sleeve, and put it back in. Just use a little bit because it will squish out of the edges and on the surface toward the transfer port hole. Clean up the breech face and the o-ring end, and let it sure for 2 days before you shoot. I am also going to try a .005" shim under the sleeve to get a bit more o-ring pressure on the closed breech. I have hit 930fps with this gun and a 16.2 gr. H&N Hornet, and I don't think it was dieseling, (but possible a bit I guess). If you don't notice more power and more consistency, then the air has to be going around the piston, which should not happen with a good piston seal. From what I have seen from this gun, we are losing repeatability and power with air leakage around the o-ring seal. This is my 2nd gun, and my "sealed" 1st gun shot really well to 80 yards (2' Targets 4 out of 5 times, not on a bag, but shooting fairly steady from a door jam.) until I accidentally dieseled it and damaged the piston seal.
I've had a Gamo Bull Whisper Extreme springer in .22cal for 10 years now and it's a scope killer. I like the gun otherwise but don't want to sacrifice another scope so I mounted flip-up front & rear iron sights (BUIS) on a 20mm Weaver rail. Don't have much sight radius but it might work, waiting on a front sight adjustment tool (don't like the bullet trick). My Gamo NRA Special 1000 has a BSA 4X32 scope and I love it, crystal clear image. Gamo makes good guns.
Got two .. the BSA on my 22 separated where the numbers are. Then my 177 blew the other up. The cross hair glass broke free and is floating a round in the scope.
Rick Eutsler -- Not sure why you would make this video when this optic is out of stock just about everywhere. Checked Gamo, BSA Otpics, Amazon, Optics Planet...etc. You mind dropping a link on where to get this optic in the description?
It is unfortunate that everyone is out. I’ve been holding on to this video for some time and needed to release it. The principles of installing a scope are the same and I hope that is helpful regardless of inventory issues. Cheers and happy new year. AGW
@@AirGunWeb Oh okay I understand...honestly I've been waiting for that scope to come back in stock I saw the title thought I'd buy one. I did enjoy your take on scope mounting. Any idea from your industry contacts when abouts they will be back?
I agree, especially with H&N 16-18gr. They have thicker skirts than JSB, and almost none dented in the tin. You lose about 10-30fps with a dent in the skirt, and if your shooting long, that's a dropped ball.
Great Video thank you. shoot a Gamo Varmint .177 now have a Gamo Replay 10X Magnum IGT Gen2 on its way. Had to change the scope on the Varmint it was really bad. and the trigger needs changing as well, but not sure what to get there. Hopping the Magnum has a better trigger and scope. Will look in to the BSA scope and if I can even get one her in PEI Canada. again thanks for the video. What pellets were you using.
Rick always come threw with a good review the only complaint that I have with scope are those lens cover with the elastic rope type material to keep it on the scope I hate it jus as well as fill probe Thea scopes need to come with flip up covers instead of that elastic other than that nice scope if I had to choose a scope with either flip up cover or elastic cover I'm going with the flip up cover every time
SECURE THE EMPTY RINGS TO THE RAIL, THEN BED THE SCOPE. You will never get a true zero, and could permanently torque/ruin the rail, rings, *and* the scope. ((Generally like your reviews, but no one caught this, a year after posting?!? Yipes!))
Is that rifle better than the maxim? I wanted the magnum and accidentally bought the maxim. After shooting it there was no way I was going to send it back. It's a tack driver for sure.
I have both, the Maxxim in 0.177 and the Magnum in 0.22. For closer range, out to 25 yards or so, plinking and hitting lighter targets, I prefer the Maxxim due to much less cocking effort and easier handling. For longer range, especially 50 yards or more, and heavier targets, the Magnum does better. Really depends on what I'm shooting at and the range, love both rifles.
Hello,I'am from Slovenia and I have the same air rifle gun. A scope Gamo MD 4-12x44 AO is fixed on the gun with the folowing Gamo elementd TS-250(1" Low). They adviced me that it would be god to fix the elements to soften the to stroke such as Bullseye zr mount by Diana or Optima protector scope mount by Hatsan. I would like to get what you think about this. Regards
Ive wat hed damn near every gamo magnum video and yet not one of the review videos, have mentioned that some pellets get caught up and snagged in the magazine then the mag breaks and gamo dont have the mags under warranty anymore becoz of that well not in new Zealand any way, i really dont like how flimsy the whole mag set up is, its an awesome idea but you still got to cock the barrel at the end of the day so u might as well push a slug in while your there
Hey there.. the key is to make sure that the pellets are inserted all the way and that the O-ring is around the waste of the pellet. If you don't get them seated properly, then you can back out and possibly cause some of the issues you are talking about. Be sure to properly load the mag with compatible pellets, and you should be good to go. Cheers AGW
@@AirGunWeb ok thank I appreciate your knowledge, I went and bought the g magnum 1250 igt mach 1 it doesn't seem to far behind in power or accuracy from the new swarm magnums so I'm real happy with the new gun, I've watched so many of your vids over the last few weeks deciding wich one to get thank you again
Hello, if you just bought a .22 break barrel air rifle and you were going to choose one pellet type to go hunting with without testing, which pellet would that be?
Take the scope out of the rings and see if you can use an Allen key to run the stop pin down. Also, look at the manual that came with your scope. That should explain it. Cheers AGW
Depends on the range and application. If I’m target shooting, as high as it will go and still provide a clear sight picture. If hunting, especially when stalking, a lower magnification like 3 to 6. If I’m hunting with a 2nd focal plane scope in the open, generally 10x and leave it. Hope that helps Cheers Rick
@@AirGunWeb Thanks so much for your quick reply! I actually bought four of the BSA scopes (two 9 and two 12 power) two years ago. It took me a whole year to get it. That was a long wait. Nice scopes for the money.
You will need to practice vs from a bench as your point of impact will be different. But once you get the hang of what it will do off sticks vs a bag it’s great. Cheers AGW
@@AirGunWeb The gun weighs 6.88lbs naked. The scope and rings are probably about 7oz for the rings, and lets say a conservative 17oz for the scope, (total 24oz, or 1.5lbs.), and 22% more weight is not pretty major? But a 8.33lb scoped gun is still pretty tough to beat. It's a pig on the heavy wood stock .30 Hatsan, about 10.5lbs if I remember decently. It's a major difference, but still not a heavy scoped gun. You should try the 3-9x33 Leupold Freedom scope, and beat the tar out of it. I still broke mine, but it has a lifetime warranty, (that I hope they do not deny me because it is on a ir gun, but they told me it was covered, sending it in soon after 5000 shots, best scope I ever had for mag springers.). Talk them into selling it stock with a mill dot reticle, and it is about $300.00 I paid $250.00 more to put a mill dot reticle in it, and if they fix it, it is still worth it to me. It is a 12 oz scope,---and you will feel the difference between your scope today. :)
People are getting spoiled and don't appreciate what they have.not one of my daisy's ever came with a scope.had the old Benjamin 22. Cal as a first pump gun in 67 if that tells you anything.
I recommend not mounting the scope like this. If you do and the stop pin is too far down when you mount this, you will not get a proper fit. Remove the scope from the rings, then back out the stop pin and mount the ring assembly (single mount). After mounting the ring assembly, screw down the stop pin. Then proceed with mounting the scope. Rings should be torqued to about 13-in pounds in an X pattern. The base probably at 30-in pounds. Double-checked with the manufacturer.
Excellent video. I like the whole set up. But I've been there and done that with magnum break barrel rifles. If I purchase another. It will be the TX 200. I will put at least a $500 scope on it. My biggest decision is the HC, regular length version, or Pro Sport. I want 177cal. I have heard the shorter barrel is better for accuracy because of less dwell time for the pellet leaving the barrel. I want to shoot out to 55 yards. If you, or anyone here has had the privilege to shoot them all. I would appreciate any feedback. Happy New Year everyone......🥳🍺
Parallax is super critical on an airgun and sadly the scopes that come as a package deal don’t have that. UTG has a bunch of scopes that will handle the reverse recoil of a break barrel/piston driven airgun. Most of them are well under 150$ and have side parallax adjustment and for the price of what you get are really great deals. I have 5 and have never had a single issue with any of them. I hope these manufacturers realize of they want their product to shine more bright…they should either not supply a crappy scope and save the buyer money or put one in the box of a higher quality for a few more bucks imho. If it’s that important to me and you enjoy hitting the 10 ring almost every time…than I’m most likely not alone in my line of thinking. God bless.
I use a lot of UTG as well. Love the scopes for air guns even out to 100 yards. I have only had issues with one but it was a manufacturing defect. The reticle did not line up correctly. The horizontal line from left to center, then right to center was a bit off, but it did not effect accuracy so I kept it as is. It’s only a 4x scope for a close range gun. But either way.. awesome scopes.
Never owned UTG. I know SG loves them. But now uses Blackhound because of its camera mount ability and high quality. I will probably buy the Blackhound Genesis 50mm next. Unless I go with the Hawk 8-32 power for the extra magnification. Both are about $500 bucks.
But the UTG SWAT looks good for $167. However it's only 4-16 power and I already have Hawk in that regard. But money talks and the UTG is side focus.
Maybe I need to try the UTG first.
@@heithwatkins
For the money you can’t beat the quality of the UTG scopes. Try one.
Yes the original scopes drive me crazy and I also opted for a utg product and was very happy with it and I plan to get more for my airguns
@@chrisreilly4006 Just ordered a UTG Bug Buster for my Gamo Swarm Maxxim.
I have gone thru two of these in the last few weeks. The first one started out fine then for whatever reason it changed the aim point to the point that I wound the up-down dial until it ran out of clicks. I sent it back to Midway Supply and they promptly sent me a replacement. the replacement lasted 30 shots and the reticle shifted 20 or so degrees to the right. after aligning the scope to bring the reticle back to the proper position. then the next shot the reticle shifted to the left by 20 deg. Something inside gave up for sure. I love the way the scope looks and I was hoping that it would do the job. I understand that BSA is actually owned by Gamo so you would expect it to work on their Gamo Magnums. I have now ordered a Vortex for twice the money of the BSA.
Performance tip, not in the instructions: The o-ring seal on the breech, (really a o-ring sleeve), leaks air on the Gamo magnum guns, and you probably notice pellet drop after your first shot, (for your next several shots), if you are shooting long. The sleeve is easily removed with a small flat head screw driver, (don't damage it, it does not take much to move it up and out of the groove.), and you will probably see that it is coated with oil from assembly and shooting, (I have 300 shots through a new gun). I clean the rubber o-ring sleeve with mild soap and water, clean the groove with a solvent, (do no let any get into the compression chamber through the port hole), and use a dab of gasket sealer on the bottom of the sleeve, and put it back in. Just use a little bit because it will squish out of the edges and on the surface toward the transfer port hole. Clean up the breech face and the o-ring end, and let it sure for 2 days before you shoot. I am also going to try a .005" shim under the sleeve to get a bit more o-ring pressure on the closed breech.
I have hit 930fps with this gun and a 16.2 gr. H&N Hornet, and I don't think it was dieseling, (but possible a bit I guess). If you don't notice more power and more consistency, then the air has to be going around the piston, which should not happen with a good piston seal. From what I have seen from this gun, we are losing repeatability and power with air leakage around the o-ring seal. This is my 2nd gun, and my "sealed" 1st gun shot really well to 80 yards (2' Targets 4 out of 5 times, not on a bag, but shooting fairly steady from a door jam.) until I accidentally dieseled it and damaged the piston seal.
@EarthSurferUSA Thanks for the information. I've been struggling with group size since I got my Maxim 2 weeks ago.
I've had a Gamo Bull Whisper Extreme springer in .22cal for 10 years now and it's a scope killer. I like the gun otherwise but don't want to sacrifice another scope so I mounted flip-up front & rear iron sights (BUIS) on a 20mm Weaver rail. Don't have much sight radius but it might work, waiting on a front sight adjustment tool (don't like the bullet trick). My Gamo NRA Special 1000 has a BSA 4X32 scope and I love it, crystal clear image. Gamo makes good guns.
So many scopes today are rated for springers, and some of those with lifetime warranties. If it breaks, it hardly matters.
nice shooting... looks like decent pellets too. Happy New Yer
Put on the hatsan 130 QE 30 caliber and see how long it lasts my guess not long
I miss my break barrel. My new spring and seal should be here from Australia on the 3rd. Can't wait. And a Yong Heng on the 6th.
Wow Rick, this video is FULL of great information! 💡 I'd love to see more instructional content like this from you.
Outstanding.. we will see what we can do.. are there topics that you feel we need to address?
Cheers
AGW
Highly impressed 😉👍
Awesome job. Its about time BSA advertised this line of "Outlook Series" scopes.
Got two .. the BSA on my 22 separated where the numbers are. Then my 177 blew the other up. The cross hair glass broke free and is floating a round in the scope.
when you started talking about centering it I was sure you were going to use the mirror trick
Rick Eutsler -- Not sure why you would make this video when this optic is out of stock just about everywhere. Checked Gamo, BSA Otpics, Amazon, Optics Planet...etc. You mind dropping a link on where to get this optic in the description?
It is unfortunate that everyone is out. I’ve been holding on to this video for some time and needed to release it. The principles of installing a scope are the same and I hope that is helpful regardless of inventory issues.
Cheers and happy new year.
AGW
@@AirGunWeb Oh okay I understand...honestly I've been waiting for that scope to come back in stock I saw the title thought I'd buy one. I did enjoy your take on scope mounting.
Any idea from your industry contacts when abouts they will be back?
@@DarcvexiS - I’m not sure if availability right now. I hope soon. I’d use that scope on a lot of my entry level airguns.
Happy new year!
AGW
Just got one but I like the open sight 😁
The issues with the accuracy is definitely in those pellets. I have never found them to be accurate in any gun I’ve owned. JSB or H&N all the way.
I agree, especially with H&N 16-18gr. They have thicker skirts than JSB, and almost none dented in the tin. You lose about 10-30fps with a dent in the skirt, and if your shooting long, that's a dropped ball.
The outlook scopes are very good scopes for the money.
Great Video thank you. shoot a Gamo Varmint .177 now have a Gamo Replay 10X Magnum IGT Gen2 on its way. Had to change the scope on the Varmint it was really bad. and the trigger needs changing as well, but not sure what to get there. Hopping the Magnum has a better trigger and scope. Will look in to the BSA scope and if I can even get one her in PEI Canada. again thanks for the video. What pellets were you using.
Try it on the hatsan 130QE and see what happens
Rick always come threw with a good review the only complaint that I have with scope are those lens cover with the elastic rope type material to keep it on the scope I hate it jus as well as fill probe Thea scopes need to come with flip up covers instead of that elastic other than that nice scope if I had to choose a scope with either flip up cover or elastic cover I'm going with the flip up cover every time
Yeah and I've noticed that it blurs the target as well I just go with out them
Happy New Year Rick
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The scope comes with the rings?
SECURE THE EMPTY RINGS TO THE RAIL, THEN BED THE SCOPE. You will never get a true zero, and could permanently torque/ruin the rail, rings, *and* the scope. ((Generally like your reviews, but no one caught this, a year after posting?!? Yipes!))
Sold me! Gettin’ one
Is that rifle better than the maxim? I wanted the magnum and accidentally bought the maxim. After shooting it there was no way I was going to send it back. It's a tack driver for sure.
I have both, the Maxxim in 0.177 and the Magnum in 0.22. For closer range, out to 25 yards or so, plinking and hitting lighter targets, I prefer the Maxxim due to much less cocking effort and easier handling. For longer range, especially 50 yards or more, and heavier targets, the Magnum does better. Really depends on what I'm shooting at and the range, love both rifles.
Just got my first scope which way do you turn the windage screw to go left? Counterclockwise?
Would you recommend this scope for a Crosman Diamondback NP Elite .22 calibur or a BlackOps Sniper S .22 calibur?
So you don't need the stop pin? I keep see people saying the scope slides off the back.
What he pellets are you using, and thanks for tip on scope.
Rick usually does not use the best pellets for anything over 40 yards. So he shoots 20 for an honest review. :)
Did those scope rings come with the bsa or did you get them separately? If separately, what are they and where did you find them?
Hello,I'am from Slovenia and I have the same air rifle gun. A scope Gamo MD 4-12x44 AO is fixed on the gun with the folowing Gamo elementd TS-250(1" Low). They adviced me that it would be god to fix the elements to soften the to stroke such as Bullseye zr mount by Diana or Optima protector scope mount by Hatsan. I would like to get what you think about this. Regards
Ive wat hed damn near every gamo magnum video and yet not one of the review videos, have mentioned that some pellets get caught up and snagged in the magazine then the mag breaks and gamo dont have the mags under warranty anymore becoz of that well not in new Zealand any way, i really dont like how flimsy the whole mag set up is, its an awesome idea but you still got to cock the barrel at the end of the day so u might as well push a slug in while your there
Hey there.. the key is to make sure that the pellets are inserted all the way and that the O-ring is around the waste of the pellet. If you don't get them seated properly, then you can back out and possibly cause some of the issues you are talking about. Be sure to properly load the mag with compatible pellets, and you should be good to go.
Cheers
AGW
@@AirGunWeb ok thank I appreciate your knowledge, I went and bought the g magnum 1250 igt mach 1 it doesn't seem to far behind in power or accuracy from the new swarm magnums so I'm real happy with the new gun, I've watched so many of your vids over the last few weeks deciding wich one to get thank you again
I did notice after 100 shots or so I hear a creaking/scraping noise about halfway through cocking the barrel is that a reason for concern
Where can i buy that scope can’t find it at Amazon
Can you do gamo swarm maxxim gen 2 .177
Hello, if you just bought a .22 break barrel air rifle and you were going to choose one pellet type to go hunting with without testing, which pellet would that be?
Hades
Great vid Rick, but I found the the scope hard to see with your jacket being black.!!! Just saying.!👍
Just got my 3-9 and the stop pin is depressed...how do I extend it?
Take the scope out of the rings and see if you can use an Allen key to run the stop pin down. Also, look at the manual that came with your scope. That should explain it.
Cheers
AGW
At what magnification do you like to shoot at Rick?
Depends on the range and application. If I’m target shooting, as high as it will go and still provide a clear sight picture. If hunting, especially when stalking, a lower magnification like 3 to 6. If I’m hunting with a 2nd focal plane scope in the open, generally 10x and leave it.
Hope that helps
Cheers
Rick
@@AirGunWeb Thanks so much for your quick reply!
I actually bought four of the BSA scopes (two 9 and two 12 power) two years ago.
It took me a whole year to get it. That was a long wait. Nice scopes for the money.
Awesome
For carrying around how well does it shoot off of sticks?
You will need to practice vs from a bench as your point of impact will be different. But once you get the hang of what it will do off sticks vs a bag it’s great.
Cheers
AGW
Will the gen two fusion be the same way
Upgrading any of the Gamo break barrels will be the same.
Did it make the gun noticeably heavier with the bigger scope?
I did not notice any major difference.
Cheers
AGW
@@AirGunWeb
The gun weighs 6.88lbs naked. The scope and rings are probably about 7oz for the rings, and lets say a conservative 17oz for the scope, (total 24oz, or 1.5lbs.), and 22% more weight is not pretty major? But a 8.33lb scoped gun is still pretty tough to beat. It's a pig on the heavy wood stock .30 Hatsan, about 10.5lbs if I remember decently. It's a major difference, but still not a heavy scoped gun. You should try the 3-9x33 Leupold Freedom scope, and beat the tar out of it. I still broke mine, but it has a lifetime warranty, (that I hope they do not deny me because it is on a ir gun, but they told me it was covered, sending it in soon after 5000 shots, best scope I ever had for mag springers.). Talk them into selling it stock with a mill dot reticle, and it is about $300.00 I paid $250.00 more to put a mill dot reticle in it, and if they fix it, it is still worth it to me. It is a 12 oz scope,---and you will feel the difference between your scope today. :)
Very nice tips as always Ricky, wich pellet is the best for your gamo swarm magnum? Thanks in advance
I use the RedFire pellets on nearly all the Gamo guns.
Cheers
AGW
@@AirGunWeb Nice these hits really hard, thank you Ricky and happy new year to you and your family
@@hectormanuelmh - Happy new year to you as well!
Cheers
AGW
Walmart won’t refund nor exchange gamos air rifles
Gas Piston gun ??? Spring gun ???
People are getting spoiled and don't appreciate what they have.not one of my daisy's ever came with a scope.had the old Benjamin 22. Cal as a first pump gun in 67 if that tells you anything.
Wow
I recommend not mounting the scope like this. If you do and the stop pin is too far down when you mount this, you will not get a proper fit.
Remove the scope from the rings, then back out the stop pin and mount the ring assembly (single mount). After mounting the ring assembly, screw down the stop pin. Then proceed with mounting the scope. Rings should be torqued to about 13-in pounds in an X pattern. The base probably at 30-in pounds. Double-checked with the manufacturer.
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Excellent video. I like the whole set up.
But I've been there and done that with magnum break barrel rifles.
If I purchase another. It will be the TX 200. I will put at least a $500 scope on it. My biggest decision is the HC, regular length version, or Pro Sport. I want 177cal. I have heard the shorter barrel is better for accuracy because of less dwell time for the pellet leaving the barrel. I want to shoot out to 55 yards.
If you, or anyone here has had the privilege to shoot them all. I would appreciate any feedback.
Happy New Year everyone......🥳🍺
Link the friggin BSA scope already. Goddamn logic 101
Good luck getting this gun in a 22 cal. It is hotter than bitcoin to get...lol
Wasn't much of a scope review