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Hi Andrew and Kristie - for mini LED TV's, it appears year over year both TCL and Hisense are from a quality and best bang for your buck perspective starting to pull away. That being said I'm extremely interested in the new Sharp Aquos - any intentions of reviewing that TV in the near future?
@@andrewrobinsonreviews buyer beware they refuse to honor their own 1 year factory warranty I will never ever buy anything made by TCL EVER AGAIN A HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT FROM A TERRIBLE COMPANY
I bought the 98 inch TCLQM851G about a month ago got it for $3999 at Best Buy. I had a 75 inch Samsung, which was about seven years old. I have to say, this television is great in movie mode and more than bright enough to handle my bright living room , with deep blacks and virtually no blooming, it is a monster. I would definitely grab this TV over anything else for $3999. Thank you for another great review.
I’ve been in the hospital again and have been relying so heavily on your reviews . I’m not buying much more as with my health I’d probably be throwing money away . I just wanted to tell you guys your fun reviews really help me and keep me going . This years been tough . Thank you both for the reviews❤
@@lpromer4796 I’m fighting . 2 /12 years of fighting . I’m tired but keep waking up the next day . Aren’t Andy and Kristi awsome . Thank you so much for your thoughts I can’t tell you how much it means . I don’t hear much from people so it’s much appreciated 👍❤️
I have the 115 inch TCL with the Kef surround sound and I love it. All TVs are not perfect is you look for flaws, but the goal is to look for a TV perfect for you.
I bought the 85” QM8 for my living room, my first non Sony purchase in years. To show how happy I’ve been, I decided to redo my home theater Sony screen, and I literally just ordered another QM8 yesterday. That Sony is now getting bumped to my office.
I got my 2024 98”qm8 !!!! PRICE just drop in HALF 50% OFF!!!! ONLY $3000!!! I’ve been watching this tv like a Hawk every 5-10 min I Check my BB app On my phone hopping it will drop price and yeah !!!!👍 GOT one!!!!!1️⃣
As a Broadcast Engineer of 25 years, this is BY FAR the BEST review of a television I have watched. I appreciate you breaking down the differences both positive and negative between the different manufacturers, the different adjustments available to tweak the image to one’s personal preferences, as well as the visual representations going through the grayscales. As you stated, you used an AppleTV 4k for your image source. My question is. How is the processing time with respect to navigation of the menus/apps built into, or downloaded to the monitor, and the amount of time for the TV to make the connection to a WiFi network if not using an external device? I ask because I made the mistake of purchasing a television that has Sooooo much lag navigating the internal menus, and takes almost a minute before connecting to WiFi… I honestly just want to put the TV on the curb with a “free” sign taped to the screen. Thank you for all you do.
@@exic1sw BUYER BEWARE TCL REFUSES TO HONOR THEIR OWN 1 YEAR FACTORY WARRANTY SO RUN DON'T WALK AWAY FROM ALL BRANDS MADE BY TCL ! This is the COLD HARD FACTS FOLKS ! Why would anyone purchase ANY PRODUCT FROM ANY COMPANY THAT FLAT OUT REFUSES TO HONOR ITS OWN 1 YEAR FACTORY WARRANTY 🤔 ? I WILL NEVER EVER BUY ANYTHING MADE FROM TCL I AM NOT THE ONLY PERSON THIS HAS HAPPENED TO EITHER SO I SAY RUN DON'T WALK AWAY FROM ANYTHING MADE BY TCL !
@@andrewrobinsonreviews why don't you respond about why TCL refuses to honor their own 1 year factory warranty period 🤔? You just review products not if the company making the product stands by the product it appears to this upset and ripped off consumer.
Have you ever considered uploading your videos as a podcast? I’m on the go a lot and would love to be able to listen while I’m driving. Love your videos!
I just bought my first TCL TV. A cheapy just for bedroom use. I wasn’t expecting much, but have been presently surprised at what a good TV it is. We’ll see how it holds up over the long term, but so far I’m a believer.
I'm not surprised with your conclusions regarding the TCL versus Sony. I remember walking into a Sam's Club and seeing a TCL TV. It had a good picture but the part that grabbed my attention was a 2-year warranty. To me that reflects a manufacturer that stands behind their products. I have watched video reviews regarding TCL TVs and I see the progress that TCL is making. I don't need a 98" 4K TV but I will consider TCL when the time comes to replace my Sony 65" X90J. I want to thank both of you for another fine way to enjoy a Sunday watching your channel!
My issue with TCL is from country to country they change model numbers, quality, processors etc etc. Makes it very difficult to know what you are getting outside of the states.
I purchased a 98Q651G for a projector replacement, screen size 105 in. The 98 is a GREAT Tv and projectors are dead for 95% of Home Theaters Love it. When the 115 in is between $3 to 4 k I will upgrade and move the 98 to the patio. I have looked for an upgrade to the 12 year old 1080 Epson. TCL is the answer.
New ALR screen tech would very much disagree with you in regards to projectors being "dead". Subjectively, a 90% ambient light rejecting screen provides just about the same experience as a tv with a ton of glare in a room with windows. At night, the ALR screen will look identical to the tv.
@@MyFatherLoves I got one several months ago. Not even close to the 98 in TCL. Just marketing. At best they are a gap product until the 120 in TV budget friendly. The 98 in TCL is the first step
The guy in the Dragon reaction video says you should have tested the sound from the Tv's built in speakers only after playing rain and thunder noises in the basement for 48 hours through the TV speakers Too soon?, sorry couldn't resist. Keep doing what you are doing. Love the videos, the integrity of the channel and love Kristi's insights a lot too.
TCL showed off their WHVA panel at CES 2024, and is supposed to release it next year. From what the video looked like it will totally eliminate any off-angle viewing issues. If this really happens... I might have found my next TV. Time will tell.
wrt longevity, I have run a TCL 65-inch 6-Series for 5 years with no problems. Probably buy a 75" or bigger next time. Good value and its high brightness for daytime viewing is terrific!
Thank You MR Robinson. I just purchased the TCL 98" QM851G I hope I like it, I am an avid OLED TV Owner. Thought I would Try out a Mini LED TV for a fraction of the cost of a 97" OLED I am sure it cannot compare but I am going in with an open mind knowing full well there is no comparison.
I'm sold, and more importantly my wife said yes. Nonetheless, I will wait until Black Friday deals, which will likely knock another $500 off. $3,500 for a 98" high quality TV was unfathomable just five years ago. Thanks Andrew, your review is the one that had me on hold.
Andrew I don't envy you as you have to review the ever increasing TV sizes! Pretty soon you're going to need to trade-in that manual lift for a full blown powered fork lift 😉. Great review as usual. Enjoy the rest of your Sunday!
If TVs continue to grow, I will likely have to reinforce our wall to handle the extra weight. But yeah, you're likely right, I would also need to update my lift. Thanks for joining us!
I just bought 65 90XL on sale for $1050. I liked the TCL TCL QM851G, but Costco did not sell it. Love Costco and their 5-year warranty included. I recently had a 4-year-old LG CX go bad (why I just bought the Sony) and it was out of warranty (3 years) from Best Buy. So I went for better quality I think and a longer warranty at Costco. Thinking I should go get the TCL.
Sony's processing is the gold standard and they charge accordingly. While I don't think the TCL is "horrible" in that regard, keeping cost in mind, the TCL has been a great experience.
American living in Germany and I will say the price comparison between this and Sony 98 inch offering is crazy. At this point I feel bad for Sony because the lead that they had is practically gone at this point. Crazy since this I’m an owner of Sonys XR 85X95L. Looking forward to replace my Sony Full Array in the living room and it’s crazy to think TCL is looking like a way better value.
No way, _Contact_ ! Love, love, love that movie (and the book). Have it on VHS, LaserDisc, DVD, and BD, and I wish Warner would hurry up and do a UHD BD release. The ancient VC1 encoded Blu-Ray just has that over-processed "HDTV Rip" look to it.
Contact is awesome and one of my favorites - try Predestination. I watched it last night with my son - mind-blowing. Have you watched the 3 Body Problem?
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Count me in the Predestination fan club! Can't say I've seen the other 3 you guys mentioned. But hey, next weekend's a long one. Just might have to stay inside and work on my projector tan.
Any plans to review the 85” Bravia 9? Definitely would be interesting to Juxtapose this television against the TCL. Also……. Do I see Studio 89’s in the background? 🤩
@@KristiWright You guys will love it! At least I hope ☺️ U do. My company has integrated two thus far this year. They calibrate like an OLED in that in SDR their Gamma coming out of black is perfect. PQEOTF tracking is ridiculously good. We integrate a lot of A95L’s…… Where the A95L really shines other than of course black level, is its color saturation. When compared side by side the Bravia 9 looks a bit desaturated. However, when watching content mastered at 4000 Nits, the Bravia 9 renders Specular highlights like I’ve never seen and all without blooming of any detectable degree. I only wish the B9 had a biiit wider viewing cone. I sincerely wish people would stop directly comparing the B9 to the A95L. It really is a television for a client with different priorities whether it be their room or their personal wants. Just love it.
@@KristiWright Oh annnd also. My company, Elite AV is in the Seattle region…. If U guys were in my region I would be happy to supply you televisions for your reviews. I had considered the other day, it may benefit you to reach out to custom integrators in your area. Andrew could offer his calibration services at no cost in exchange for the ability to review. The client of the TV wins and all integrators win being we have a solid thoughtful review to refer clients to rather than the talking points of the manufacturers. After I’ve sold a television and calibrated it, I’m in the know as to its true capabilities, however I would love to know its capabilities proceeding that first sale. Thank you as always ☺️
@@KristiWright please make a review of the bravia 9 as soon as possible, I'd love to hear your thoughts and mr Robinson's on it. It has been very badly received because it's not a real "oled" tv but my eyes don't lie, next to the oleds at best buy it looks phenomenal.
I just got the 75 inch and it's stunning. STUNNING. I've never seen a Sony or the LG OLEDs but good lord thr picture is incredible and the blacks are quite possibly blacker than black. Haha
I still enjoy my 50” TCL 5 series TV I bought back in 2019. Though it can’t hold a candle to the Q class, I still think it looks shockingly good 5 years later, especially for the $300 price I paid!
It’s a significant jump in picture quality when you go high end. I had the TCL 55R625 in my main room for a year. Replaced it with a 65 inch LG C1 so much better and far better for console gaming.
@@saintkupo OLED is definitely a large step up in picture quality from a cheaper LED TV. I mainly use my TV to display Apple Music and occasionally watch UA-cam or movies so my current TCL 5 series has been adequate for that. Once it stops working, I’ll upgrade to OLED. Have it hooked up to a heck of a sound system which is more important to me!!
@@phillipjohnson5868 I have 4 TCL TVS and the 2020 R635 miniled is my favorite. I also have the R625,R617, and the P607 all still working as good as the first day bought them.
The amount of quality tcl and hisense bring to the table lately is amazing. Just a few years ago, you had to get the way more expensive high-end tv's from lg/samsung/sony for the same quality and features.
Kudos to you guys for creating the best video descriptions of any UA-camr creator I’ve seen. I am guessing Kristi takes the bulk of the credit for all the links provided on every video you create. Andrew, your videos are extremely well written, and you present your findings clearly and to the point. Thanks for all the hard work you both do to create outstanding reviews for us. Very grateful.
I have a Sony 75” X90K , which I think is just as good as the X90L (please correct me if I’m incorrect in my assumption) and I absolutely agree that TCL is rivaling Sony especially since it is 1/2 the price! I have compared the QM7 to the QM8 (both 2024 models) and the 98” QM 7 is $1,000 cheaper yet, can’t see a difference in specs that mean anything in terms of picture quality!
Doesn’t seem that long ago that my Panasonic VT60 65’’ Plasma was the state of the art… Having said that its natural non soap opera effect is all I’ll need until it breaks down…
This is the best 98 or 100 inch out tv currently. Well worth the money for $4000. The superior blooming control the 98 inch QM851G has over the Sony is well worth the trade off of Sony having better upscaling
Having moved from using a Sony 55cxoled to a TCL 85c 805k (UK equivalent to QM8) the quality of the final calibrated image is extremely close to the oled at times. The contrast and brightness (once dialled in) are superb. Pricing is also very low compared to the big three in UK too. In short, if you watch a lot of content and are looking for a bigger 'more cinematic' experience then this is worth a look. Also for gaming the results are very impressive with great response times and IQ results.
Outdoor kitchens and outdoor entertainment spaces are really popular these days. Please consider a review about the best Outdoor rated TVs and Outdoor sound systems? Maybe even is an outdoor rated TV or Sound system is really needed? Or if so what circumstances (full Sun, partial Sun, Or Covered, etc..) Maybe even a joint venture with some of the other UA-cam channels. Thanks for considering.
Great to see TCL and Hisense beginning to put pressure on the TV market. It's becoming more difficult to justify price premiums from the big 3 which means the customer wins.
Great review but one thing I’d like to mention is Dolby Vision vs HDR10. You mentioned Samsung omitting DV. I wonder if in one of these videos, you could do a comparison. I lot of people don’t buy Samsung because of it but perhaps, the differences between DV and HDR10 aren’t as wide as we make it seem
DV is more advanced technically, with higher brightness, more colour bits (12 instead of 10) and dynamic metadata which can change between scenes. Can you see the difference? I doubt it in real life (unless you are Carl). In practice, there is bigger difference in bitrates, probably 4K BD with HDR10 will still look better than compressed DV from Netflix, especially in dark scenes with gradients.
HDR10+ and DV are comparable although DV is usually implemented better IMO. However, HDR10 doesn't have metadata in it to control the tv at a finer level so it inherently cannot compete with DV. You'd have to compared HDR10+ to DV since HDR10+ has the dynamic metadata encoded in similar to DV. All that said, the biggest factor in all HDR content is proper tone mapping. A madVR Envy (even the cheapest option, the new Core) will blow any video processor in a tv or projector out of the water. You could feed it SDR, HDR10 (+), DV, whatever.... and a properly setup Envy will perfectly tone map all content to your chosen display. I know you didn't ask about that but it's worth mentioning when talking about HDR formats and what looks best. It all comes down to the processor.
@@LXBattiatus Differences are more common in CG based cartoons like Super Mario Bros where DV handles high nit primary colors better. This is because the colorspace used on disc and streaming.
I don't believe you’ve reviewed a Hisense U8L since the 85” you reviewed almost a year ago. And I believe it wasn’t a standard U8L. I'll be looking at affordable 75” tv’s soon and i’d like to know your feelings about how the TCL and Hisense units compare. Love that 98”, but we just don't have the space or the budget for even the TCL. 75” will be the largest size we can get. Thanks.
Was this bought at retail or sent by TCL? I have seen huge differences in the color and the amount of DSE in various TCL models. I have to wonder if this was a hand picked sample?
While Carl may disagree, here is my take and simple thoughts on Sony vs TCI: I bought my house in 2004. WHen I did, I got myself 2 presents... a PS3 and a XBRK43... Both are still going strong without the slightest hint of aging or weakening.. Tell me any other brand that will do that for you. BTW.. the K43 is one of my computer monitors now since I bought an 85K for my downstairs viewing
Thanks for the review. If you are able to, including the input delay for TV reviews will help the gamers decide if it's worth considering. I know that's the first thing I consider when shopping for a new TV. Thanks again!
Andrew, I’ve been out of touch for awhile so I’ve missed a few postings. If, and did you ever, post why or what you did to the front wall in your listening room? I remember when you put in so much effort into it when you first moved in.
Bravia 9 kills it in performance but the extra 13” is absolutely nothing to scoff at. Bigger displays that still look awesome can be more impressive than smaller higher performing displays. Go check out a 98” at your local Best Buy if you have one. I’ve got some kinda low budget 98” at mine and it’s close enough to the Bravia 9 85” that it would be an agonizing choice.
In the case of 4K HDR content, the TCL QM851 is far more impressive to the naked eye. I returned the X90L 98" because the local dimming isn't up to par and is very obvious in a dark room at that size.
You have referenced media players other than your Apple TV. What are you getting from those you are not getting from the Apple TV? Are they just “Bluesound Vault” for movies?
Great video guys! Kind of off topic but I would love to hear more about that TV lift. Any chance of a more in depth video about it and how to use it? These TVs are getting too big!
I have last years model the 85" TCL QM850G. I wish I had waited for this model, but I honestly don't have any regrets. The only issue I have is I can not for the life of me get my TV to populate on the TCL Home app. And I stupidly lost the QR code.
Okay, so I might be completely crazy but I have a question: related to the screen size, being so large, in your experience does that make the flaws of this or any other large size tv pop more to you? What I mean is since it’s so large, and not being able to really focus on the entirety of the display and only on a portion of it, would that dirty screen effect make you notice it more in certain situations vs a smaller tv size with the same exact flaw? I know it’s a weird one, but still I’m curious. Where is that perfect balance of size to performance and immersion for TVs? I’ve been living for many years with a 65” and I love it, but I’ve been really contemplating going bigger size, to a 77 or 83 inches. Either way I’m glad to see more competition in all size and price ranges. Awesome review and welcome back, Carl! Hope everyone is having a lovely Sunday. P.S. on a scale of 100 to a 1000 how excited are y’all for the season 2 of Silo coming November 15? 😇😏
In my experience, the larger size of some of these TVs makes errors or issues more noticeable. DSE is one area where I suspect our findings are likely "worse" than, say, a 65" of the same model. The same goes for vignetting or blooming. Scaling, good or bad, definitely becomes easier to discern, especially when viewing actor close-ups. In my opinion, if the 98" model of anything looks GREAT, the smaller models have fared as well or better!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews thank you! It was probably a basic and logical question, but still. I haven’t experienced TVs of that size at all, so was curious what you think. Hope y’all are doing well!
This was a great review Andrew. I like that you didn't have to sell the tv as it seems to do that itself. I have an absolute dinosaur Samsung plasma PS51F4500 (about 12 years old) that I'm finally considering upgrading. My concern is motion as I watch a lot of sport. Will I be disappointed switching from an old school plasma for this? Thanks.
@drueckglueck9918 it's built like a tank and plasmas picture quality has always outweighed its price. It's why I've always been reluctant to change. I'm probably going to have to spend at least double, maybe more to "upgrade" . I still don't know if I'm ready to move on 😂
Thanks for another great review. I always look forward to the TV reviews, specifically the calibration portion. For people not a customer for calibration software (don't want to bother or wouldn't use it often enough to justify time and cost), can you just turn on Dolby Vision and call it a day? Way back in one of your Sony TV reviews I had the same TV and used your settings you shared for custom - it looked great. And then I watched your calibration ep., took the red pill and followed you down the rabbit hole. But ever since I purchased the Sony 85" X90K (used with an Apple TV) I just put it in Dolby Vision and it looks great to me. Is there enough of a difference (from Dolby Vision) when professionally calibrated? And (sorry if I missed it) did you do this with the TCL before doing the calibration?
Great review, as always👌 . I would like to know, what's your opinion on LG mini led vs the other big brands ? They're coming out with their new version every year. Just somehow under the "radar" . I bought a 65 inch version this year and quite good offer price and quality wise. Thanks in advance
As an owner of 98” I feel that’s where the value / performance is due to limited options. At 85 you do have better choices if you are willing to pay a little extra.
Honest question, I know you said that had the TCL arrived before your X90L it would have been a harder choice on which tv to keep. If you had the 115” TCL and not the 98” would that tempt you more? The usual saying that size trumps quality but in this case the gap is very close between this year’s TCL and the big three.
Have you had any issues with 24fps matched refresh rates? I have a noticeable audio/video sync issue when in Movie mode on my 98QM851G. I actually run it in Game mode (no professional calibration in either, unfortunately) which makes the video and audio sync much closer and more consistent. I also have had some issues with settings getting atuck between signal changes and how picture modes seem to be in "bands" so if you're in Dolby Vision Dark mode for HDR, when your signal switches back to SDR, you're now in Movie mode as well, even if you'd been using something else. All in all, the problems should be fixable with software updates, but worth mentioning. You do need to take some time fiddling with the TV's settings to get it looking and working how you want consistently, in my experience.
I am interested in the QM 8- in your prior reviews you mention that Samsung Q sypm. paired with the Q990D (which I already purchased based on your review) was amazing - will I loose much pairing the QM 8 to the Q990D?
The fact you can say that you would have picked possibly the TCL over the Sony says volumes we're approaching equilibrium for the first time ever in televisions it seems
But again screen size I did that with the X950h I still have I went with the smaller screen size option instead of the largest I could for the money I don't regret it but 98 in is serious for the price difference😂 but I'm questioning the longevity of the TCL especially maintaining that brightness long term 🤷
gotta tell you Andrew, I'm considering a TCL for the movie room i am currently designing. I was at Sam's club the other day and looked at a Q6 in 65" for my family room and it looked better than any of the other displays that were adjacent to it. And cheap as dirt too by comparison to any of the big 3. Sams offers 3 year warranty on TCL sets from the manufacturer, which is 2 years longer than what is available thru Best Buy unless you pay their Geek squad tax to get it. I think the model I looked at was a 2023 model that is left over but it was a much nicer image than what I expected particularly for the money. I want to put an 85" TCL in the theater room but have concerns about the competency of the delivery service and the hassles involved when your new tv arrives broken and they cant or wont be responsive to the problem. How do you handle delivery of the sets you get in for review?
Sir , I was hoping for a great experience from my TCL 55inch Roku that I was enjoying when it just went black . It was of course under the 1 year factory warranty and the tech walked me through everything including a complete reset. TCL REFUSES TO HONOR THEIR OWN 1 YEAR FACTORY WARRANTY SO MY ADVICE IS RUN DON'T WALK AWAY FROM EVERYTHING MADE BY TCL . Buyer Beware I found out the hard way !
Another great review. These TV’s are getting massive with impressive results. Wondering if there’s a ratio of room size to tv size? Stuffing a massive tv into a small room seems like it would look odd. How does one balance TV size with room size? In 2channel, it’s regularly stated that some speakers are too small / large for certain rooms. Wondering the same with TV’s.
For me, it's all about viewing angles and personal preferences. Because our sofa is back 12-14 feet from our TV, we technically could use or enjoy a screen size up to 125" that falls within SMPTE and THX standards. However, a 125" screen does look a bit overwhelming in our space, which comes down to preference.
I realize than TCL has improved more than any TV manufacture, I still am always attracted to The Sony picture processing. I much prefer a picture that looks life like not super processed. I also want my TV to really be able to reproduce 24fps without issue or the "Soap Opera effect". For me Samsung TV's are unwatchable, I would rather watch a dim OLED or QLED than an over processed QLED or OLED.
NOPE, Hisense bought Toshiba and Sharp factories, also Hisense make displays for YEARS and created their operative system. Try to see an U8 and a UX in person... You would be amazed.
Unfortunately our loan periods typically are for about 90 days, meaning I cannot comment on the longevity of a product such as this. However, we do have two other TCL TVs in our home and going on 3 years now, they work as well as they did when new.
I have mine TCL series 6 it’s great all around tv and I used it very much. But it only last 4 yrs. I don’t know what happened it just died. So if you want a long live lasting tv I would go for a premium products like Sony, LG or Samsung.
I've had a 55" 4 series (low tier model and nothing great) since 2018 and have had zero issues with it. Still going strong. We've upgraded with a Sony A80L and moved this TV to a guest bedroom but still a solid Roku TV. I'm a die hard TCL and Sony fanboy at this point.
16:38 first thing I would like to say is I know it was a few days ago but Happy anniversary to both You & Kristi it is a beautiful thing to celebrate true love I hope you both had a wonderful day. Now I must say I myself am pretty impressed with the TCL we just bought a new model 65" TCL 5 series for our bedroom as our old TCL which was only 2 years ago just stopped powering on. And that's where TCL loses me (reliability) when spending this type of money on such a big TV, the last thing you would want to do is have to replace it in 2 years therefore for me I would spend the extra and just get the Sony if we're comparing 98" TVs. I won't lie though with you saying that they're processing has definitely stepped up. That would really push the persuasion towards the TCL if someone was looking to save money like you said. I really can't be mad or have a disagreement with your opinion on this one.. And for everybody out there you shouldn't buy A Samsung anyways They are just riddled with problems. P.s. next time I want you to do me a favor The godfather 4K digital copy that you have play that for your next TV torture test. I'm only telling you this because my older TV had a lot of problems with the skin tones on the 4K where's the Sony did a phenomenal job with the skin tones. But the black levels, the shadowing, the skin tones in that movie are very good torture test For any TV. Good day to you both. I am signing out 😅
i love tcl tvs and have had nothing but great things to say about them, and ive bought like 5 or 6 of them. cant wait to to see what this tv is like. great review by the way.
I like them over all, after buying a R635 and a 750G, buuuuut the vertical dirty screen effect was pretty bad on both of them. I just bought a 75" QM8 hoping this is improved. It seems to me there is no vertical shadows but instead a less than perfect grey uniformity which is a trade off I'll gladly take.
@@insertnamehere4419 I did pay £400 which one would you recommend om after an 55inch, I don't need the latest top notch but after one that not laggish and freezing
So TCLs have typically struggled with upscaling,motion and handling poor streaming content vs Sony. From your review sounds like they have closed a lot of the gap. Would you still make this your everyday TV for sports and TV shows?
Any chance of a review of the Zidoo hardware you're using? They have a number of recently refreshed models out and I have been looking at those as an upgrade to the very dated NVIDIA Shield. A review/deep dive from your perspective would be great!
Didn’t see a reply from Andrew but I use DVDFab and can confirm that it works. Just gotta use one of their recommended drives. You must get one for the software to work right.
Amazing review and comparison. However, I'm still leaning Sony. Maybe after the hisense U8N (100 inch), if you'll get it for review, I'll finally make up my mind and pick one before Christmas. Thanks, Andrew.
The issue with DSE isn't that simple. It is pretty much panel lottery. One unit can be messy and other one perfect. As a consumers we should demand better quality control. My understanding is that oleds usually have better gray uniformaty and no dse. It is so distracting when u watch sports like football, when u go from side to side and end to end. So dse didn't bother u when u watched women's soccer final?
The day the panel lottery dies is the day we no longer use flat panel technology. Perfection would have it's price smaller panel manufacturing yields and higher prices. You want it affordable you spin the wheel. (CRT had similar problems back in the day, but people lived with it)
@@andrewrobinsonreviews I will check it out live or later. I live in Finland so it's gonna be night time for me. Which is Ok, because i am usually gaming 00-07 .
The more I see those Titans, the more I want them. Would an old Marantz SR7002 drive them well enough? I am fearing that a receiver upgrade or adding an amp may come first.
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Hi Andrew and Kristie - for mini LED TV's, it appears year over year both TCL and Hisense are from a quality and best bang for your buck perspective starting to pull away.
That being said I'm extremely interested in the new Sharp Aquos - any intentions of reviewing that TV in the near future?
@@andrewrobinsonreviews buyer beware they refuse to honor their own 1 year factory warranty I will never ever buy anything made by TCL EVER AGAIN A HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT FROM A TERRIBLE COMPANY
@@Audiomainia2310 BUYER BEWARE TCL REFUSES TO HONOR 1 YEAR FACTORY WARRANTY NEVER EVER AGAIN FROM THIS CONSUMER
Hi Andrew, does this tv have a different model code in the Australian market? I can't find it, closest I can find is 98C855.
Sony bravia 9 please review
I bought the 98 inch TCLQM851G about a month ago got it for $3999 at Best Buy. I had a 75 inch Samsung, which was about seven years old.
I have to say, this television is great in movie mode and more than bright enough to handle my bright living room , with deep blacks and virtually no blooming,
it is a monster. I would definitely grab this TV over anything else for $3999.
Thank you for another great review.
Thank you for sharing your experience.
@@5124ever enjoy yo monster TV
@5124ever Any issues thus far? I'm debating on getting the 75 inches for my bedroom 🤔
@@shanew7361Nope.
It's been fine and the picture is great.
@@shanew7361Nope.
And the picture is great.
I’ve been in the hospital again and have been relying so heavily on your reviews . I’m not buying much more as with my health I’d probably be throwing money away . I just wanted to tell you guys your fun reviews really help me and keep me going . This years been tough . Thank you both for the reviews❤
I really hope you are better 🙏🏽
@@lpromer4796 I’m fighting . 2 /12 years of fighting . I’m tired but keep waking up the next day . Aren’t Andy and Kristi awsome . Thank you so much for your thoughts I can’t tell you how much it means . I don’t hear much from people so it’s much appreciated 👍❤️
@@marklloyd4153 👍🏼
@@marklloyd4153Hope you’re doing better!!
I have the 115 inch TCL with the Kef surround sound and I love it. All TVs are not perfect is you look for flaws, but the goal is to look for a TV perfect for you.
I bought the 85” QM8 for my living room, my first non Sony purchase in years. To show how happy I’ve been, I decided to redo my home theater Sony screen, and I literally just ordered another QM8 yesterday. That Sony is now getting bumped to my office.
I got my 2024 98”qm8 !!!! PRICE just drop in HALF 50% OFF!!!! ONLY $3000!!! I’ve been watching this tv like a Hawk every 5-10 min I Check my BB app On my phone hopping it will drop price and yeah !!!!👍 GOT one!!!!!1️⃣
@@bucclao209 haha just did the same thing, same deal. Hope you enjoy it man
As a Broadcast Engineer of 25 years, this is BY FAR the BEST review of a television I have watched. I appreciate you breaking down the differences both positive and negative between the different manufacturers, the different adjustments available to tweak the image to one’s personal preferences, as well as the visual representations going through the grayscales.
As you stated, you used an AppleTV 4k for your image source. My question is. How is the processing time with respect to navigation of the menus/apps built into, or downloaded to the monitor, and the amount of time for the TV to make the connection to a WiFi network if not using an external device? I ask because I made the mistake of purchasing a television that has Sooooo much lag navigating the internal menus, and takes almost a minute before connecting to WiFi… I honestly just want to put the TV on the curb with a “free” sign taped to the screen. Thank you for all you do.
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@@exic1sw BUYER BEWARE TCL REFUSES TO HONOR THEIR OWN 1 YEAR FACTORY WARRANTY SO RUN DON'T WALK AWAY FROM ALL BRANDS MADE BY TCL ! This is the COLD HARD FACTS FOLKS !
Why would anyone purchase ANY PRODUCT FROM ANY COMPANY THAT FLAT OUT REFUSES TO HONOR ITS OWN 1 YEAR FACTORY WARRANTY 🤔 ?
I WILL NEVER EVER BUY ANYTHING MADE FROM TCL I AM NOT THE ONLY PERSON THIS HAS HAPPENED TO EITHER SO I SAY RUN DON'T WALK AWAY FROM ANYTHING MADE BY TCL !
@@andrewrobinsonreviews why don't you respond about why TCL refuses to honor their own 1 year factory warranty period 🤔?
You just review products not if the company making the product stands by the product it appears to this upset and ripped off consumer.
Have you ever considered uploading your videos as a podcast? I’m on the go a lot and would love to be able to listen while I’m driving. Love your videos!
I just bought my first TCL TV. A cheapy just for bedroom use. I wasn’t expecting much, but have been presently surprised at what a good TV it is. We’ll see how it holds up over the long term, but so far I’m a believer.
I'm not surprised with your conclusions regarding the TCL versus Sony. I remember walking into a Sam's Club and seeing a TCL TV. It had a good picture but the part that grabbed my attention was a 2-year warranty. To me that reflects a manufacturer that stands behind their products. I have watched video reviews regarding TCL TVs and I see the progress that TCL is making. I don't need a 98" 4K TV but I will consider TCL when the time comes to replace my Sony 65" X90J. I want to thank both of you for another fine way to enjoy a Sunday watching your channel!
My issue with TCL is from country to country they change model numbers, quality, processors etc etc. Makes it very difficult to know what you are getting outside of the states.
@@Yoga_Tv_buyingcool story
I purchased a 98Q651G for a projector replacement, screen size 105 in. The 98 is a GREAT Tv and projectors are dead for 95% of Home Theaters
Love it. When the 115 in is between $3 to 4 k I will upgrade and move the 98 to the patio.
I have looked for an upgrade to the 12 year old 1080 Epson. TCL is the answer.
New ALR screen tech would very much disagree with you in regards to projectors being "dead". Subjectively, a 90% ambient light rejecting screen provides just about the same experience as a tv with a ton of glare in a room with windows. At night, the ALR screen will look identical to the tv.
@@MyFatherLoves I got one several months ago. Not even close to the 98 in TCL. Just marketing. At best they are a gap product until the 120 in TV budget friendly. The 98 in TCL is the first step
I'm a such a fanboy! Your channel is my first stop on my lifelong dream of building my perfect Home theater. I wont hod you being an Apple person:)
The guy in the Dragon reaction video says you should have tested the sound from the Tv's built in speakers only after playing rain and thunder noises in the basement for 48 hours through the TV speakers
Too soon?, sorry couldn't resist. Keep doing what you are doing. Love the videos, the integrity of the channel and love Kristi's insights a lot too.
TCL showed off their WHVA panel at CES 2024, and is supposed to release it next year. From what the video looked like it will totally eliminate any off-angle viewing issues. If this really happens... I might have found my next TV. Time will tell.
I was fortunate to pick up the Sony 98”X90L on sale at BB for $3K off the MSRP. No buyer’s remorse here. It’s a great TV.
I just purchased the 85" I can't wait to get it mounted on the wall.
And the bracket needed is not easy to find locally
We link to the wall mount we use in the description.
wrt longevity, I have run a TCL 65-inch 6-Series for 5 years with no problems. Probably buy a 75" or bigger next time. Good value and its high brightness for daytime viewing is terrific!
Thank You MR Robinson. I just purchased the TCL 98" QM851G I hope I like it, I am an avid OLED TV Owner. Thought I would Try out a Mini LED TV for a fraction of the cost of a 97" OLED I am sure it cannot compare but I am going in with an open mind knowing full well there is no comparison.
Enjoy i did the same jump
I'm sold, and more importantly my wife said yes. Nonetheless, I will wait until Black Friday deals, which will likely knock another $500 off. $3,500 for a 98" high quality TV was unfathomable just five years ago. Thanks Andrew, your review is the one that had me on hold.
Andrew I don't envy you as you have to review the ever increasing TV sizes! Pretty soon you're going to need to trade-in that manual lift for a full blown powered fork lift 😉. Great review as usual. Enjoy the rest of your Sunday!
If TVs continue to grow, I will likely have to reinforce our wall to handle the extra weight. But yeah, you're likely right, I would also need to update my lift. Thanks for joining us!
Cool stuff. It never ceases to amaze me how many great options we have nowadays. Cheers and happy sunday!
Appreciate you watching as always!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews always a great part of my Sunday. Sets the tone for the day.
I just bought 65 90XL on sale for $1050. I liked the TCL TCL QM851G, but Costco did not sell it. Love Costco and their 5-year warranty included. I recently had a 4-year-old LG CX go bad (why I just bought the Sony) and it was out of warranty (3 years) from Best Buy. So I went for better quality I think and a longer warranty at Costco. Thinking I should go get the TCL.
I returned the 98QM851G for the 85” B9 and man what a difference. The B9 is incredible. The processing is horrible on the TCL.
Sony's processing is the gold standard and they charge accordingly. While I don't think the TCL is "horrible" in that regard, keeping cost in mind, the TCL has been a great experience.
It’s more than twice the price where I live, for equivalent size. I would be shocked if it wasn’t better.
Finally someone being honest
American living in Germany and I will say the price comparison between this and Sony 98 inch offering is crazy. At this point I feel bad for Sony because the lead that they had is practically gone at this point. Crazy since this I’m an owner of Sonys XR 85X95L. Looking forward to replace my Sony Full Array in the living room and it’s crazy to think TCL is looking like a way better value.
No way, _Contact_ !
Love, love, love that movie (and the book). Have it on VHS, LaserDisc, DVD, and BD, and I wish Warner would hurry up and do a UHD BD release. The ancient VC1 encoded Blu-Ray just has that over-processed "HDTV Rip" look to it.
Contact is awesome and one of my favorites - try Predestination. I watched it last night with my son - mind-blowing. Have you watched the 3 Body Problem?
Predestination is AWESOME! Try two little known indie films, Primer and Upstream Color if you liked Predestination.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Count me in the Predestination fan club!
Can't say I've seen the other 3 you guys mentioned. But hey, next weekend's a long one. Just might have to stay inside and work on my projector tan.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Thanks, I'll check them out!
Any plans to review the 85” Bravia 9? Definitely would be interesting to Juxtapose this television against the TCL.
Also……. Do I see Studio 89’s in the background? 🤩
We've been told Sony is working on getting us a review unit of the B9, but we have no ETA.
@@KristiWright
You guys will love it! At least I hope ☺️ U do.
My company has integrated two thus far this year. They calibrate like an OLED in that in SDR their Gamma coming out of black is perfect. PQEOTF tracking is ridiculously good.
We integrate a lot of A95L’s…… Where the A95L really shines other than of course black level, is its color saturation. When compared side by side the Bravia 9 looks a bit desaturated. However, when watching content mastered at 4000 Nits, the Bravia 9 renders Specular highlights like I’ve never seen and all without blooming of any detectable degree. I only wish the B9 had a biiit wider viewing cone.
I sincerely wish people would stop directly comparing the B9 to the A95L. It really is a television for a client with different priorities whether it be their room or their personal wants. Just love it.
@@KristiWright
Oh annnd also.
My company, Elite AV is in the Seattle region…. If U guys were in my region I would be happy to supply you televisions for your reviews.
I had considered the other day, it may benefit you to reach out to custom integrators in your area. Andrew could offer his calibration services at no cost in exchange for the ability to review. The client of the TV wins and all integrators win being we have a solid thoughtful review to refer clients to rather than the talking points of the manufacturers.
After I’ve sold a television and calibrated it, I’m in the know as to its true capabilities, however I would love to know its capabilities proceeding that first sale.
Thank you as always ☺️
@@KristiWright please make a review of the bravia 9 as soon as possible, I'd love to hear your thoughts and mr Robinson's on it. It has been very badly received because it's not a real "oled" tv but my eyes don't lie, next to the oleds at best buy it looks phenomenal.
I spy with my little eye, a pair of Monitor Audio Studio 89’s :0
This was a great review as always. Next tv for me might go from Samsung to TCL
I just got the 75 inch and it's stunning. STUNNING. I've never seen a Sony or the LG OLEDs but good lord thr picture is incredible and the blacks are quite possibly blacker than black. Haha
I still enjoy my 50” TCL 5 series TV I bought back in 2019. Though it can’t hold a candle to the Q class, I still think it looks shockingly good 5 years later, especially for the $300 price I paid!
I feel the same about my basic by comparison Samsung 50 inch
It’s a significant jump in picture quality when you go high end. I had the TCL 55R625 in my main room for a year. Replaced it with a 65 inch LG C1 so much better and far better for console gaming.
@@saintkupo OLED is definitely a large step up in picture quality from a cheaper LED TV. I mainly use my TV to display Apple Music and occasionally watch UA-cam or movies so my current TCL 5 series has been adequate for that. Once it stops working, I’ll upgrade to OLED. Have it hooked up to a heck of a sound system which is more important to me!!
@@phillipjohnson5868 I have 4 TCL TVS and the 2020 R635 miniled is my favorite. I also have the R625,R617, and the P607 all still working as good as the first day bought them.
Great video Andrew. Happy Sunday everyone..
Thanks!
For the 2023 QM8 owners - Make sure to update your firmware to v295. It fixed the brightness when watching DV videos.
The amount of quality tcl and hisense bring to the table lately is amazing.
Just a few years ago, you had to get the way more expensive high-end tv's from lg/samsung/sony for the same quality and features.
Agreed! The big 3 TV manufacturers definitely have competition.
Good video. One thing I like about TCL is clarity.
Kudos to you guys for creating the best video descriptions of any UA-camr creator I’ve seen. I am guessing Kristi takes the bulk of the credit for all the links provided on every video you create.
Andrew, your videos are extremely well written, and you present your findings clearly and to the point. Thanks for all the hard work you both do to create outstanding reviews for us. Very grateful.
Thank you.
I have a Sony 75” X90K , which I think is just as good as the X90L (please correct me if I’m incorrect in my assumption) and I absolutely agree that TCL is rivaling Sony especially since it is 1/2 the price! I have compared the QM7 to the QM8 (both 2024 models) and the 98” QM 7 is $1,000 cheaper yet, can’t see a difference in specs that mean anything in terms of picture quality!
Doesn’t seem that long ago that my Panasonic VT60 65’’ Plasma was the state of the art… Having said that its natural non soap opera effect is all I’ll need until it breaks down…
Your the guy from that President TV show, right? I vote for you and TCL🤘 guess my next one is 98“X955😬
A couple of weeks ago I upgraded from an LG 55" to the Sony 85". Can't imagine what an 98 or 115" must be like. Wow.
First time watching Andrew, and I can't help but hear Wil Wheaton's voice hahah
Can you make a video about your Zidoo media server set up?
This is the best 98 or 100 inch out tv currently. Well worth the money for $4000. The superior blooming control the 98 inch QM851G has over the Sony is well worth the trade off of Sony having better upscaling
I love my TCL 6 Series and it's 5 years old. I'm sure the newest models are even better.
The 6 series was a very good TV, and yes, they do appear to be making fast improvements.
This just made it more difficult to decide between the 77 Samsung OLED or the 85 TCL. AND it makes more difficult given Best Buy open box on the TLC!
Having moved from using a Sony 55cxoled to a TCL 85c 805k (UK equivalent to QM8) the quality of the final calibrated image is extremely close to the oled at times. The contrast and brightness (once dialled in) are superb.
Pricing is also very low compared to the big three in UK too. In short, if you watch a lot of content and are looking for a bigger 'more cinematic' experience then this is worth a look. Also for gaming the results are very impressive with great response times and IQ results.
man do you recommended to jump from my oled g2 65 inch to 85inch c805 ? need it for gaming and movie
Outdoor kitchens and outdoor entertainment spaces are really popular these days. Please consider a review about the best Outdoor rated TVs and Outdoor sound systems? Maybe even is an outdoor rated TV or Sound system is really needed? Or if so what circumstances (full Sun, partial Sun, Or Covered, etc..) Maybe even a joint venture with some of the other UA-cam channels. Thanks for considering.
As soon as our outdoor project is finished, we will be bringing you that type of content in the future.
Great to see TCL and Hisense beginning to put pressure on the TV market. It's becoming more difficult to justify price premiums from the big 3 which means the customer wins.
Great review but one thing I’d like to mention is Dolby Vision vs HDR10. You mentioned Samsung omitting DV. I wonder if in one of these videos, you could do a comparison. I lot of people don’t buy Samsung because of it but perhaps, the differences between DV and HDR10 aren’t as wide as we make it seem
DV is more advanced technically, with higher brightness, more colour bits (12 instead of 10) and dynamic metadata which can change between scenes. Can you see the difference? I doubt it in real life (unless you are Carl). In practice, there is bigger difference in bitrates, probably 4K BD with HDR10 will still look better than compressed DV from Netflix, especially in dark scenes with gradients.
HDR10+ and DV are comparable although DV is usually implemented better IMO. However, HDR10 doesn't have metadata in it to control the tv at a finer level so it inherently cannot compete with DV. You'd have to compared HDR10+ to DV since HDR10+ has the dynamic metadata encoded in similar to DV.
All that said, the biggest factor in all HDR content is proper tone mapping. A madVR Envy (even the cheapest option, the new Core) will blow any video processor in a tv or projector out of the water. You could feed it SDR, HDR10 (+), DV, whatever.... and a properly setup Envy will perfectly tone map all content to your chosen display. I know you didn't ask about that but it's worth mentioning when talking about HDR formats and what looks best. It all comes down to the processor.
@@LXBattiatus Differences are more common in CG based cartoons like Super Mario Bros where DV handles high nit primary colors better. This is because the colorspace used on disc and streaming.
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I don't believe you’ve reviewed a Hisense U8L since the 85” you reviewed almost a year ago. And I believe it wasn’t a standard U8L. I'll be looking at affordable 75” tv’s soon and i’d like to know your feelings about how the TCL and Hisense units compare. Love that 98”, but we just don't have the space or the budget for even the TCL. 75” will be the largest size we can get. Thanks.
Was this bought at retail or sent by TCL? I have seen huge differences in the color and the amount of DSE in various TCL models. I have to wonder if this was a hand picked sample?
You have great conclusions. it’s usually a fine balance between subjectivity and objectivity
While Carl may disagree, here is my take and simple thoughts on Sony vs TCI:
I bought my house in 2004. WHen I did, I got myself 2 presents... a PS3 and a XBRK43...
Both are still going strong without the slightest hint of aging or weakening..
Tell me any other brand that will do that for you.
BTW.. the K43 is one of my computer monitors now since I bought an 85K for my downstairs viewing
Wonder if a TCL would last that much.
Pi❤😂🎉🎉😅😢😅😅😢😅
Thanks for the review. If you are able to, including the input delay for TV reviews will help the gamers decide if it's worth considering. I know that's the first thing I consider when shopping for a new TV. Thanks again!
Andrew, I’ve been out of touch for awhile so I’ve missed a few postings. If, and did you ever, post why or what you did to the front wall in your listening room? I remember when you put in so much effort into it when you first moved in.
Fantastic review mate I’m loving your content you both do great work
Thanks!
TCL better than Samsung? Wow. Great sharing.
I just got a QM7 65 inch and it is great
@Mjaybird Yes it is. I have the 55-inch and it's impressive.
@@Mjaybird i got the 65 inch QM7 as well, and i literally feel like i got away with highway robbery, this tv is amazing!!
Good morning Andrew
Good morning Daniel, appreciate you joining us!
How does this compare to the Sony Bravia B9?
Bravia 9 kills it in performance but the extra 13” is absolutely nothing to scoff at. Bigger displays that still look awesome can be more impressive than smaller higher performing displays. Go check out a 98” at your local Best Buy if you have one.
I’ve got some kinda low budget 98” at mine and it’s close enough to the Bravia 9 85” that it would be an agonizing choice.
Great content thanks! definitely my next tv for my theater rm
Let's see how amazing the new TCL are. Of course, this is AFTER I have already paid for new TVs. Still love these videos, thanks Andrew and Kristi.
I'm in the same boat, which I somewhat discuss in this review 😉
So when not taking the price into consideration, which one in 98” is better, the TCL QM851 or the Sony X90L?
In the case of 4K HDR content, the TCL QM851 is far more impressive to the naked eye. I returned the X90L 98" because the local dimming isn't up to par and is very obvious in a dark room at that size.
You have referenced media players other than your Apple TV. What are you getting from those you are not getting from the Apple TV? Are they just “Bluesound Vault” for movies?
Great video guys! Kind of off topic but I would love to hear more about that TV lift. Any chance of a more in depth video about it and how to use it? These TVs are getting too big!
I did a short video on it here ua-cam.com/users/shortsZ1T6XVManFc?si=DPBmofuPA34gx_Ej
@@andrewrobinsonreviews so cool thanks! I didn’t know this existed!
Can you please do a review on the Sony Bravia 7
Great Sunday everyone!!
Hello Afonso!
Morning Afonso!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews can you provide your calibrated picture settings? I would love to use them.
I have last years model the 85" TCL QM850G. I wish I had waited for this model, but I honestly don't have any regrets. The only issue I have is I can not for the life of me get my TV to populate on the TCL Home app. And I stupidly lost the QR code.
Okay, so I might be completely crazy but I have a question: related to the screen size, being so large, in your experience does that make the flaws of this or any other large size tv pop more to you? What I mean is since it’s so large, and not being able to really focus on the entirety of the display and only on a portion of it, would that dirty screen effect make you notice it more in certain situations vs a smaller tv size with the same exact flaw? I know it’s a weird one, but still I’m curious. Where is that perfect balance of size to performance and immersion for TVs? I’ve been living for many years with a 65” and I love it, but I’ve been really contemplating going bigger size, to a 77 or 83 inches. Either way I’m glad to see more competition in all size and price ranges.
Awesome review and welcome back, Carl! Hope everyone is having a lovely Sunday.
P.S. on a scale of 100 to a 1000 how excited are y’all for the season 2 of Silo coming November 15? 😇😏
In my experience, the larger size of some of these TVs makes errors or issues more noticeable. DSE is one area where I suspect our findings are likely "worse" than, say, a 65" of the same model. The same goes for vignetting or blooming. Scaling, good or bad, definitely becomes easier to discern, especially when viewing actor close-ups. In my opinion, if the 98" model of anything looks GREAT, the smaller models have fared as well or better!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews thank you! It was probably a basic and logical question, but still. I haven’t experienced TVs of that size at all, so was curious what you think.
Hope y’all are doing well!
Hi, between LG B4 and Sony X90L which one do you prefer?
Fantastic review as usual
Nice Monitors in the background. Great review, as always. Any plans/interest in reviewing the 115”?
This was a great review Andrew. I like that you didn't have to sell the tv as it seems to do that itself. I have an absolute dinosaur Samsung plasma PS51F4500 (about 12 years old) that I'm finally considering upgrading. My concern is motion as I watch a lot of sport. Will I be disappointed switching from an old school plasma for this? Thanks.
@@danielhopper3150 omg 😳 plasma tv
@drueckglueck9918 it's built like a tank and plasmas picture quality has always outweighed its price. It's why I've always been reluctant to change. I'm probably going to have to spend at least double, maybe more to "upgrade" . I still don't know if I'm ready to move on 😂
@@danielhopper3150 if you want Plasma-like motion, I’d suggest getting an OLED.
I bought the 2023 85” TCL QM8
Thanks for another great review. I always look forward to the TV reviews, specifically the calibration portion. For people not a customer for calibration software (don't want to bother or wouldn't use it often enough to justify time and cost), can you just turn on Dolby Vision and call it a day? Way back in one of your Sony TV reviews I had the same TV and used your settings you shared for custom - it looked great. And then I watched your calibration ep., took the red pill and followed you down the rabbit hole. But ever since I purchased the Sony 85" X90K (used with an Apple TV) I just put it in Dolby Vision and it looks great to me. Is there enough of a difference (from Dolby Vision) when professionally calibrated? And (sorry if I missed it) did you do this with the TCL before doing the calibration?
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@@andrewrobinsonreviews thank you!
Great review, as always👌 . I would like to know, what's your opinion on LG mini led vs the other big brands ? They're coming out with their new version every year. Just somehow under the "radar" . I bought a 65 inch version this year and quite good offer price and quality wise. Thanks in advance
Nice review, Happy Sunday
Same to you, thank you for watching!
I'm very curious if the 85" model is just as good. Would love a 98" but alas, it won't fit
As an owner of 98” I feel that’s where the value / performance is due to limited options. At 85 you do have better choices if you are willing to pay a little extra.
That's fair, thanks for the help. I'll keep researching
Honest question, I know you said that had the TCL arrived before your X90L it would have been a harder choice on which tv to keep. If you had the 115” TCL and not the 98” would that tempt you more? The usual saying that size trumps quality but in this case the gap is very close between this year’s TCL and the big three.
Without spending any time with the 115" TCL, there is no way to know.
Have you had any issues with 24fps matched refresh rates? I have a noticeable audio/video sync issue when in Movie mode on my 98QM851G. I actually run it in Game mode (no professional calibration in either, unfortunately) which makes the video and audio sync much closer and more consistent.
I also have had some issues with settings getting atuck between signal changes and how picture modes seem to be in "bands" so if you're in Dolby Vision Dark mode for HDR, when your signal switches back to SDR, you're now in Movie mode as well, even if you'd been using something else.
All in all, the problems should be fixable with software updates, but worth mentioning. You do need to take some time fiddling with the TV's settings to get it looking and working how you want consistently, in my experience.
I'm lost X90L Bravia 7 QM851 all seem to be very very close together which one to buy for COLOR ACCURACY, UPSCALING low bit and DETAIL and Blooming
@@bungalowtomcat1 Bravia 7 Has good color accuracy, up scaling and low bit rate, while the detail and blooming is a sliver better of the tv
@@contentthemaker For upscaling, Sony has the superior processor and software and does a better job.
But the TCL.
I am interested in the QM 8- in your prior reviews you mention that Samsung Q sypm. paired with the Q990D (which I already purchased based on your review) was amazing - will I loose much pairing the QM 8 to the Q990D?
The fact you can say that you would have picked possibly the TCL over the Sony says volumes we're approaching equilibrium for the first time ever in televisions it seems
Don't get me wrong the Sony definitely looks different when watching it in a good way something about the processing I swear😂
But again screen size I did that with the X950h I still have I went with the smaller screen size option instead of the largest I could for the money I don't regret it but 98 in is serious for the price difference😂 but I'm questioning the longevity of the TCL especially maintaining that brightness long term 🤷
gotta tell you Andrew, I'm considering a TCL for the movie room i am currently designing. I was at Sam's club the other day and looked at a Q6 in 65" for my family room and it looked better than any of the other displays that were adjacent to it. And cheap as dirt too by comparison to any of the big 3. Sams offers 3 year warranty on TCL sets from the manufacturer, which is 2 years longer than what is available thru Best Buy unless you pay their Geek squad tax to get it. I think the model I looked at was a 2023 model that is left over but it was a much nicer image than what I expected particularly for the money. I want to put an 85" TCL in the theater room but have concerns about the competency of the delivery service and the hassles involved when your new tv arrives broken and they cant or wont be responsive to the problem. How do you handle delivery of the sets you get in for review?
Sir , I was hoping for a great experience from my TCL 55inch Roku that I was enjoying when it just went black . It was of course under the 1 year factory warranty and the tech walked me through everything including a complete reset. TCL REFUSES TO HONOR THEIR OWN 1 YEAR FACTORY WARRANTY SO MY ADVICE IS RUN DON'T WALK AWAY FROM EVERYTHING MADE BY TCL . Buyer Beware I found out the hard way !
Another great review. These TV’s are getting massive with impressive results. Wondering if there’s a ratio of room size to tv size? Stuffing a massive tv into a small room seems like it would look odd. How does one balance TV size with room size?
In 2channel, it’s regularly stated that some speakers are too small / large for certain rooms. Wondering the same with TV’s.
For me, it's all about viewing angles and personal preferences. Because our sofa is back 12-14 feet from our TV, we technically could use or enjoy a screen size up to 125" that falls within SMPTE and THX standards. However, a 125" screen does look a bit overwhelming in our space, which comes down to preference.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews thank you, sir!
Always super helpful. Appreciate all that you and Kristi💯 do.
I realize than TCL has improved more than any TV manufacture, I still am always attracted to The Sony picture processing. I much prefer a picture that looks life like not super processed. I also want my TV to really be able to reproduce 24fps without issue or the "Soap Opera effect". For me Samsung TV's are unwatchable, I would rather watch a dim OLED or QLED than an over processed QLED or OLED.
NOPE, Hisense bought Toshiba and Sharp factories, also Hisense make displays for YEARS and created their operative system. Try to see an U8 and a UX in person... You would be amazed.
No question. TCL is much better especially the price. Comparison must be done in apple to apple comparison.
How is the build quality of TCL? Will the TV still work in 10 years from now on? Are there any issues with TCL regarding quality and durability?
Unfortunately our loan periods typically are for about 90 days, meaning I cannot comment on the longevity of a product such as this. However, we do have two other TCL TVs in our home and going on 3 years now, they work as well as they did when new.
I have mine TCL series 6 it’s great all around tv and I used it very much. But it only last 4 yrs. I don’t know what happened it just died. So if you want a long live lasting tv I would go for a premium products like Sony, LG or Samsung.
I've had a 55" 4 series (low tier model and nothing great) since 2018 and have had zero issues with it. Still going strong. We've upgraded with a Sony A80L and moved this TV to a guest bedroom but still a solid Roku TV. I'm a die hard TCL and Sony fanboy at this point.
So you think the TCL will last as long as a Sony? Any concerns with build quality?
@@duncs52 My Bravia 9 was defekt out of the box. There goes your Sony quality...
16:38 first thing I would like to say is I know it was a few days ago but Happy anniversary to both You & Kristi it is a beautiful thing to celebrate true love I hope you both had a wonderful day. Now I must say I myself am pretty impressed with the TCL we just bought a new model 65" TCL 5 series for our bedroom as our old TCL which was only 2 years ago just stopped powering on. And that's where TCL loses me (reliability) when spending this type of money on such a big TV, the last thing you would want to do is have to replace it in 2 years therefore for me I would spend the extra and just get the Sony if we're comparing 98" TVs. I won't lie though with you saying that they're processing has definitely stepped up. That would really push the persuasion towards the TCL if someone was looking to save money like you said. I really can't be mad or have a disagreement with your opinion on this one.. And for everybody out there you shouldn't buy A Samsung anyways They are just riddled with problems. P.s. next time I want you to do me a favor The godfather 4K digital copy that you have play that for your next TV torture test. I'm only telling you this because my older TV had a lot of problems with the skin tones on the 4K where's the Sony did a phenomenal job with the skin tones. But the black levels, the shadowing, the skin tones in that movie are very good torture test For any TV. Good day to you both. I am signing out 😅
Thank you, Nick for the kind wishes.
i love tcl tvs and have had nothing but great things to say about them, and ive bought like 5 or 6 of them. cant wait to to see what this tv is like. great review by the way.
I like them over all, after buying a R635 and a 750G, buuuuut the vertical dirty screen effect was pretty bad on both of them. I just bought a 75" QM8 hoping this is improved. It seems to me there is no vertical shadows but instead a less than perfect grey uniformity which is a trade off I'll gladly take.
I bought one a good few year ago and I hated the laggish of the TV , even struggle to play netflix
@@jawadarif5676 Must have been a low end model.
@@insertnamehere4419 I did pay £400 which one would you recommend om after an 55inch, I don't need the latest top notch but after one that not laggish and freezing
So TCLs have typically struggled with upscaling,motion and handling poor streaming content vs Sony. From your review sounds like they have closed a lot of the gap. Would you still make this your everyday TV for sports and TV shows?
Any chance of a review of the Zidoo hardware you're using? They have a number of recently refreshed models out and I have been looking at those as an upgrade to the very dated NVIDIA Shield. A review/deep dive from your perspective would be great!
Which software/app was used to archive Blu Rays
Didn’t see a reply from Andrew but I use DVDFab and can confirm that it works. Just gotta use one of their recommended drives. You must get one for the software to work right.
Amazing review and comparison. However, I'm still leaning Sony. Maybe after the hisense U8N (100 inch), if you'll get it for review, I'll finally make up my mind and pick one before Christmas.
Thanks, Andrew.
Not sure if we'll have the Hisense by then, but I appreciate you watching!
Thanks for review Andrew !
Great review. Thanks
The issue with DSE isn't that simple. It is pretty much panel lottery. One unit can be messy and other one perfect. As a consumers we should demand better quality control. My understanding is that oleds usually have better gray uniformaty and no dse. It is so distracting when u watch sports like football, when u go from side to side and end to end. So dse didn't bother u when u watched women's soccer final?
That's why I switched to QD-OLED. Smaller screen but perfect uniformity.
The day the panel lottery dies is the day we no longer use flat panel technology. Perfection would have it's price smaller panel manufacturing yields and higher prices. You want it affordable you spin the wheel. (CRT had similar problems back in the day, but people lived with it)
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@@andrewrobinsonreviews I will check it out live or later. I live in Finland so it's gonna be night time for me. Which is Ok, because i am usually gaming 00-07 .
The more I see those Titans, the more I want them. Would an old Marantz SR7002 drive them well enough? I am fearing that a receiver upgrade or adding an amp may come first.
I love PC gaming on big TV's. I have a hard time gaming for example on a sub 32" monitor. Just not immersive enough for me.