2017 Personality 04/05: Heroic and Shamanic Initiations
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- In this lecture, 04 and 05 combined, I discuss the relationship between the initiatory structure characteristic of shamanism and the process of radical personality transformation, self- or therapy-induced. The basic structure is order/paradise, chaos/the fall, re-establishment of order/paradise. Since all paradises fall, however, the true paradise is identification with the process of transformation itself.
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What a world we live in. To have immediate access to a man as brilliant as Dr. Peterson, with a simple click of a button.
All thanks to the abstract notions of “one” and “zero”. Roughly speaking.
a simple button press and the inclination to do so
Is it? We have forgotten who and what we are as a result of this wonder. We are as lost and as anxious as ever, mankind. Maybe, we should stop focusing as much on what we can do, and put more energy into doing what is truly beneficial, not just awesome inspiring. Just saying
@@wakeUPdummiesmat bol bhai!
I am so thankful that I can partake in this knowledge, for free, from my seat, with a hot chocolate. Very happy indeed.
I can't believe you did not make us all a hot chocolate. I had to have Cocoa. :(
It's a great time to be alive, isn't it? I was thinking the same thing.
Invin Did the Mayans not tell us about it or something? Around 2012 is when I figure the acceleration in the consciousness level of humanity really started to get going.
Me too
It truly is amazing...
I am a little less stupid now.
I was making a joke at my own expense..the internet does not know how to handle self-deprecating humor...
I am now more stupider after reading that reply...thanks
is there an app to translate your comments into human
ObjectiveTenOutOfTen a comment only a four eyed can understand I suppose?
ObjectiveTenOutOfTen NEVER hit a four-eyed. NEVER hit a guy with glasses. Grab a Louisville Slugger instead more affective. Cast iron skillets work well too
Favorite quote: *shakes fist* That's a mega chimp, man
Brad Satterwhite I found the most hilarious one where he said the chimps almost literally yellow 'holy shot that is a big snake'
Get the snakes out of your life...
Yea, more-so pyro than arsonist :p
38:36 :)
TopLobster vs MegaChimp
Glad to see that the funding was put to good use, the quality is superb.
Yea the first thing i noticed was the production quality! amazing!!!
not to be a bother but has anyone noticed not being able to add your own comment? i can only comment as a "reply" ?
I wonder how many other "jordan Petersons" are out there giving talks to enlighten people and are still not discovered. Thanks to the postmodernist who shined light on this avatar.
amir karimloo Teodros Kiros is one of those people. However he’s well recognized in the philosophical world
Honestly there's a bit of really great AA speakers out there that helped me. Bob D is one. You can find him on UA-cam
Wes Cecil is one great guy who gives lectures on humanities.. available on UA-cam..
In respect to lectures, I don't know any. There are personalities (Dennis Prager) who have had a positive impact on me. But big picture, non specific but inspiring people such as musicians, composers, artists, authors, maybe even (maybe) hollywood actors who have elevated their game, doing what they are supposed to be doing, that have inspired me.
I do feel that Jordan Peterson is actually doing God's work, specifically in this type of lecture. It is a blessing for people like myself who find Christianity confusing and dogmatic.
ImaginaryAdversary Dennis Prager is a charlatan
Something just popped into my head when Peterson was talking about the Lion King, something relating to life and death and good and evil. We normally do NOT celebrate someone being killed, in fact we think of it as one of the worst crimes that someone can commit. But when we kill an "evil" person we celebrate it, and hardly notice that killing took place. So when Symba killed Scar we cheered, because good triumphed over evil. When Osama Bin Laden was killed, we cheered, because good triumphed over evil. In other words, we are more attached to our emotions of what people represent (good and evil) then the people themselves. We don't cheer that a human life was taken, we cheer that what that life represents was taken, namely that evil was vanquished (at least momentarily). Even many pacifists cheer the death of a tyrant. It's fascinating.
Reminds me of a great little essay Hegel published in a German newspaper titled "Who Thinks Abstractly." www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/se/abstract.htm
Simba didn't kill Scar, he defeated him, then the hyena's killed him.
pullingthestringz the defeat was a representation of the defeat of what scar represented. him being killed was to tie up that loose end for the sake of the story.
Yep pullingthestringz. The hyena's were Scar's" friends" up until then also..
pullingthestringz: I appreciate the correction but my point still stands. He was killed and Simba played a role in that, and no one felt bad about it. Or again, with Osama Bin Laden, most people cheered when he was killed. People cheered when they learned Hitler committed suicide. And I'm saying that I don't think people are cheering the loss of life so much as what the life represents, since normally people don't cheer on murder or suicide.
14:32 - 14:45
- a student looks through the gap of the door.
- confirms the camera is looking other way
- sneaks in to the class.
stealth-master.
damn, i am a bad student.
LOL
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i was about to comment this then saw your comment
I'm binging everything in his channel. Wish me luck haha
The strength you gain will make luck unnecessary.😎
How was it?
@Robert Spencer how long did it take you. How long have you been following jbp how's applying the principles working.
Smart man
i'm following in your path
Thank you for this, Sir. The world would be a much sweeter place if more people taught with your passion and intelligence.
Man, your lectures are like a potion.
jasdjajsdaj right in the peter pan that I'm trying to grew into an adult.
An alchemical potion👀
Well, that's definitely something to rub in my face...
I've been studying psychology for afew years now and I admit I lost most of my passion for it due to various reasons. While watching your lectures I remembered why I chose this field in the first place. I cannot thank you enough. We NEED more teachers like you. Please keep on doing what you're doing.
"Clean your room and don't be snake snack" - Jordan Peterson
"Be a big strong beaver and protect your community" - J.P
@@konan8353 roughly speaking :P
"And watch out for that snake that lurks inside of you"
Also, lobsters
Hey, you know, fair enough
16:54 metareal 24:07
54:32 go in the underworld on purpose
1:10:14 adapated to the meta reality
1:11:03 brain can tell when optimally situated between chaos and order
1:13:04
1:15:23 unconcious mediates
1:24:53
1:26:45 slide
1:28:52 Heroic and Shamanic Initiations
1:32:07 slide
1:36:02 slide transformation
1:36:35 creative illness
1:56:00 resentful
2:09:45 agoraphobic considerations, what are you actually afrad of
2:26:18 initiation
Thank you
🙏🏽
UR awesome!!
"I'm not a fan of moral relativism... for a variety of reasons... partly because I think it is an extreme form of cowardice."
I love how Peterson sometimes comes out with these marvelously cutting little asides.
Marcus Aurelius
Ughhhhhhh !! No doubt ! that was my favorite quote!
Really hits hard, I was raised by a single mother and I grew up thinking that no opinion was better than any other, that all truths are subjective even empirical ones, etc. Through Peterson I think I found out that this is simply an overly effeminate mindset (that needs to be counterbalanced by the masculine).
pretty much no one is a fan of moral relativism. its not a real position taken seriously by anyone, including postmodernists and marxists
Also, “well-being, which is an awfully weak concept.” A dig at Sam Harris.
@@kevintse2870 I love watching him and sam Harris cause they agree on virtually nothing but they manage to keep things so civil
"The strength that you develop in your monstrousness is actually the best guarantee of peace" 20:46. I don't know how JP always come up with these one liner on the the spot, but everytime i re-listen to his lectures i learn something new.
It's philosophy you're always gonna find something meaningful in it
Sometimes it's definitely on the spot, but I think he's had this lecture before.
Not to take away from that wording, it's perfect just as you say. But he's definitely said that sentence many times
Thanks for the timestamp, I like the Pandora's box 📦 section too, he forgot to mention that HOPE ❤was at the bottom of the box too. 45:45
He’s been studying, thinking and writing for a long time. He says he spent 15 years researching and writing his first book Maps of Meaning. Today, we benefit from all that time.
You're talking about Captain Hook in almost the same breath as pointing out the Tyrant and the Wise King are two sides of the same coin. I was surprised you didn't mention the theatrical tradition -- as if to illustrate this very point -- where Mr. Darling (Wendy's, John's, and Michael's father) and Captain Hook are played by the same actor. Even the Disney film followed this tradition by having the same actor voice both characters, even though they drew them to be quite distinct. The 2003 film also observed it.
NB: "Peter Pan" was a play before it was a novel, based on a character from an earlier novel. So the theatrical tradition is of very long-standing.
Fascinating man. I'm so glad we have the opportunity, through UA-cam and the like, to hear his lectures. As someone who went to an opposing university in the city, I envy the opportunity to hear his lectures live!
Exact same thought. But knowing myself, I'm not sure if I would have enjoyed them as much if they had to have been taking notes with the pressure of an exam, and another subject immediately after this same class. Also I'm watching all of these in like a week instead of across a whole semester. I'm quite sure that it would have been my favourite class to attend to during that semester though, Jordan is GOOD at what he does.
I love listening to Jordan Peterson while I’m working through my 12h shift at the factory... time seems to exit peacefully without my awareness ever gazing upon the clock or other distractions. So grateful for the lessons.
I live in the Yukon - a place of mystery in the long, and cold dark winter. But I have my fire and Jordy and a bottle of wine and life could not be richer. I appreciate the fact that folks at a distance are tuning in. Makes the mystery kind of shine.
Dawn Spence nice comment, I concur!
Wow, Jordan Pederson ! I've followed Jordan for many years and am as excited and greatfull to have found him as I was when I discovered Dovsoyevsky.. He is a jewel and truely hitting his stride now. Aren't we fortunate ?
Dr. Peterson is Canada’s greatest gift to civilization. William Shatner is #2.
Envious
I've been to College down here in Brazil, but I don't remember liking a teacher this much, or him having such an impact on myself as these lectures. I'm an atheist revisioning my view of religion, mythology, I can say I was one of those dumb atheists, that just dismissed all mythology as equally false, when in reality you can call it as much false as you can call it the truth.
Same here buddy, i started going back to it after witnessing the cultural collapse of the anglosphere within europe.
Idem, cara. Nunca prestei atenção na riqueza da mitologia. Mas a igreja não tem intenção de compartilhar isso nem em parte, ou no caso dos evangélicos, sequer as entendem. Se alguém obtivesse essa classe de informação indo para uma missa eu até relevaria as crenças confusas, mas se usa religião apenas para explicar o empírico, o que é patético. Mas, enfim, esse cara é foda, ele apresentou um novo tipo de espiritualidade, seja em Jesus, nos deuses gregos, Pinnochio ou no rei leão.
I'm the same way. I have been an atheist that has dismissed religious truths as well. Dr. Peterson has given me new eyes on the ideas of mythology and the utility and placement in our culture. Truly incredible.
The truth is not literal, it's what you read between the lines.
Dan 123 k
Does anyone feel like you have just figured out how little you really know?
Yes, daily.
t. - lifelong learner
Yeah but how much is also built in to us
I think it's less of little knowledge as it's a better understanding of things you already do and become being vocalized. Even dr.peterson has said numerous times that people come to him saying that he helped them vocalize things they always felt but couldnt explain.
@@johnathanversteeg3666 true but I really didn't know shit!! Lol!🤔
I thank Joe rogan for exposing me to this man every day
Are you top lobster or snake snack?
DeusEx3 A+
I'm a meta-megasnake
Oh Waker archetypical mega meta snake
I'm the dominant lobster that also keeps his room tidy.
I am Forest forest Gump
Production quality is getting fantastic now, not that I had any problems with it before but its nice to see some of that patreon support is showing.
I'm a professional psychologist and even though I already know most of these things, Jordan's lectures are some of the most interesting things I've ever listened to. Amazing guy
What a great mind and great delivery of ideas. I watch Jordan's lectures at home - by myself - via the internet and yet still break into spontaneous applause at the end of these lectures.
Everytime my thoughts are facing an incoherent crisis or when my general thought patterns are in disarray a thought sometimes pops up to watch one of JP's lectures. When I do his sense of wisdom, rationality and experience allow me to atleast make sense of the world again. Thank you.
Felt that
same bro
Same bro
Same
The more I hear Dr.Petersn talking about facing my fears and opening pandoras boxe, them more I realise why he says you should be terrified of yourself.
I just can't believe how rich this is..I'm blow away. Thank you Dr Peterson!
'Loving the Britney style microphone. It sounds very clear, frees up your movement and comes with the added bonus of making you look like a cyborg from the future.
I K-Holed during my wisdom teeth extraction over a decade ago, (I thought it was a NDE, but it was likely a result of Ketamine and Nitrous Oxide. But who knows? There is a lot in common.), and it was the single most profound experience of my life. Everything went like your conventional out-patient procedure: slowly drifting away into a deep sleep... but then I woke up inside myself. The drowsiness was gone and I was completely cognizant, but I had no control over my body. Then, after some time, came a wave of euphoria, ecstasy, and unconditional love followed by the opening of a vortex. All bodily sensation slipped away: there was no need to breathe, there was no pain, there was no fear. The only desire was to be closer to the source of this feeling, which I posited as being God. All those stories in the Bible of people singing praises for eternity at the Throne seemed painful and torturous before, but if they felt this, then it was the least that was due. The contentions of the material world? Frivolous. Lust, hunger, desire for material wealth? Nonexistent. There was only a palpable sense of love, understanding, and of going home.
And then I came back. Everything hurt, breathing was hard. Emotion was a shallow thing in the material world; only anger and sorrow were more pronounced, and they hurt too. I'm not ashamed to say that I had to fight back tears. If babies feel this coming into the world, I understand why they scream so. If what I felt was even remotely accurate to what it's like beyond the mortal existence, then the concept of reincarnation is torturous. This life is only rich in suffering and all that is good is deafened compared to what I felt. I suppose I still see it as equivalent to a NDE, being as alien as it was. Even the most rich of dreams and the most vivid and exciting of life's moments cannot compare.
Davito2000. Amazing story. Thanks.
I K-holed after I got back drunk one night..after a joint and then a fat line..it was the worst experience ever man...hell, i got ripped out of my body, thought i was dead, floated around between worlds in a horrible blackness then got plunged again and again into entire liftimes, each time begging not to be sent to another...it was like zooming out of a black n white 3D spherical fractal then float above it as it rotated under me before getting slammed hard-zoom into another one. Each one felt like a whole lifetime and it was exhausting and terrifying and felt it would never end....the last one i went back into a particular zoom level at a particular place then stayed there and lo and beyond that was my old self....getting back into my body was like pushing out of latex and feeling the world i knew...i saw my room and was so relieved but as soon as my body was deparalysed my back arched violently and repateadly as i wretched n vomited everywhere...my arms worked before my legs so i dragged my self on the floor by my arms to the trash can and wretched into the trash but at the same time i was so glad to be alive and back in my room. never again...awful combo...but i had incredible experiences with k...just incredible...the best...but never mix with alcohol...its the worst
People underestimate the glory of God. Its impossible to make too big a deal of God.
@@lastfreegeneration984 yes. ket and booze is not good
Love this post. I experienced a lot of this kind of thing on psychedelics, but I didn’t feel the dread of life as much. That oneness is something that changes you forever after you experience it.
Algorithm boost so others can watch this fascinating lecture for free
This is a meta class.
Those class notes by a random student will probably be sold for thousands of dollars in the future
Your lectures should be made mandatory in school.
59:00 Kali (Maa Kali: Maa stands for Mother) is also called sometimes Kali Devi (Devi means Goddess). So she's the dark side of Shakti (Shakti is Shiva's Wife. Shakti is also known as Parvati). Shiva is also a Hindu god. Kali represents the dark or shadow side of Shakti. Kali literally means a female of dark complexion. The Image where Kali is standing on Shiva was a representation of a battle when Kali got out of control and wanted to destroy the whole Universe. So, in order to calm her down, Shiva laid himself down below her right foot.
As JP said, Kali is not giving birth to Shiva. Kali is Shiva's Wife who's just mad angry.
Just wanted to note down the correction for anyone who's intrigued by that picture.
I love his lectures and how he brings in his family's childhoods as examples. It reminds me he's not just some academic, but human.
1:18:37 The whole thing about openness and hyper self critical rationality as well as large potential creativity hits me so directly. It's fascinating to hear such accurate categorizations of mental processes, its like reading a horoscope or fortune cookie that's always right like, "oh, that's interesting, and it fits.."
I think the internet is a stewing pot for this type of people too; openness in anonymity, critical humility in self assessment and creativity in intent. This is why JP is blowing up now that we've found him imo.
Nate Auld I don't think it's the medium of the internet. I mean it greatly facilitates the communication of these videos to anybody interested, for sure! But really it's that when someone speaks the truth about our own essential nature, we lap it up like greedy pigs. It's so rare to get wisdom/knowledge like this, when we do see it, we crave it like a heroin addict. Unlike a heroin addict though, it refines us rather than destroys us :p
I am, once again, eternally grateful. I am following you, every word, every concept. And I offer you my humble thanks.
"If you want someone to do something, the best thing to do is tell them that they shouldn't and not explain why."
Idk why but this resonated with me on another level...
Sounded a bit off to me, but I tried saying a couple productive things out loud to myself, that I "shouldn't do". I'm very sceptical so I quickly came up with counter-arguments for why I SHOULD get to work on those things. Seems like a pretty practical tool tbh haha
Always mindblowing. If I were an undergrad sitting in that class, I would not appreciate it the way that I do now as a slightly older adult. I am sure I will appreciate it more as I grow older.
"Snake snack"
-Jordan Peterson 2017
awesome lectures! also for anybody interested check out Stanfords lecture on evolutionary biology, simply amazing
So are Stanford's lectures by Susskind on theoretical physics.
I second that. Sapolsky's lectures were what led me to JP's lectures (with a little help from youtube's recommendation algorithms). Both have had a major impact on how I think about human behaviour, including my own. I don't think most people really grasp the moral, societal and psychological implications of the fact that we are products of evolution by natural selection and these lectures are a nice antidote to that.
JP and Sapolsky appear to differ on the line between humans and animals RE consciousness.
Thank you guys! I love to get good recommendations by word of mouth. They seem to be of higher quality usually.
This comment thread is gold.
I have to say, there are some devastating revelations in these lectures. Amazing and eye opening, like little soul-deaths and as-yet-unformed rebirths. Transformations and choices. Boy am I making choices. It's all good though.
So... it just struck me around the end. Jordan talks about a noteable correlation between snakes and the evolution of human sight and brain function. And then there's a huge myth built on how a snake tempted humanity to increase its sight and awareness of sorts by eating from the tree of knowledge. And the myth was made well before science was a thing. So... weird coincidence?
Infinite Ronin Wow, brilliant observation!
Weird coincidence or point at which the archetypal imagery of the collective unconscious harmonizes with the empirical contingencies of the evolutionary historical record? It depends who you ask. You're on to something profound here to be sure; Peterson himself makes the same connection in one of the Maps of Meaning 2017 lectures. If you watch or rewatch them, you may enjoy that moment. It's in his analysis of the Adam and Eve Biblical story.
There is soooooooo much we do not understand about our existence.
Synchronicities
@Rebecca Leeman my theory of connection was a question, not an answer. Someone would have to provide more concrete empirical evidence to call it proof of it being one way or the other. I'm aware that most Bibical stories came from various sources and then repackaged as Christian originality. Nevertheless, the original idea could still hold a connection but it's only relevant as a historical and intellectual exercise. In the end, it doesn't change anything important
i love professor's work but his interpretation of what that pic of Kali represents is way off the person at her feet is not someone she is giving birth to it's her husband lord shankar and she sticking out her tongue signifies her realization that she has stepped on to her husband. i think most of his interpretations or religious myths are by and large correct but people who doesn't like his work can use this particular clip as an example of confirmation bias if someone has access to him through patron or something like that please ask him to rectify his mistake
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I just realised that my History classes in Middle School and High School never taught us any History. They taught us about Nazism and didn’t care to elaborate on Holocausts 🤦🏻♂️(I am from India btw).
CBSE or state board?
I really like how you often go off on a tangent. I used to do that in my lectures, too, even though they were on a very technical engineering subject. There's a lot more creativity involved in engineering than people may think, although what you can and cannot do is not arbitrary. "You can't fool nature", as Richard Feynman famously observed. That also rings true with what Jonathan Haidt said about having to choose one Telos. If you don't choose truth in engineering, things will blow up quickly.
I go on tangents as well. To me, it shows that the speaker is actually thinking while speaking, not just speaking from a script.
I just watched 1:39:01 through to 1:39:20 - he made himself vulnerable for a moment talking about the troubles his kid had. His body language changes, his voice quietens as he finishes that train of thought, and if you look closely, even the final double-blink he makes after "so.." feels significant
Good catch
I am a Hindu and I believe the man Kali is standing on is her husband "Lord Shiva". Shiva is not her child. Kali is an angry personality of Shiva's wife "Maa Parvati".
yes
Idk if anyone will see this comment, but as I've watched some of his lectures he gave at the uni of Toronto, I've always wondered how do the sudents in these lectures do to understand and grasp most of what he says and in the same taking notes on their computer. It's really a question that has been tormenting me. And I think the answer is that those who actually take the time to write notes while he speaks don't understand a good amount of his points. I mean, personally, when I watch one of his lectures, I always have to have my mind focused on his speech without doing anything else, and it seems incredible to me that some people can do it while taking notes
edit: or maybe it's because english isn't my native language
Yep. Same here. I tried ironing clothes while listening to him....didn't work out. I have to sit oat tge computer and watch him, or either play some very easy game and listen to him because otherwise nothing comes out of the experience
The theme that Dr. Peterson repeats often - that we are all capable of good and evil and that it is up to us to incorporate both of these tendencies inside ourselves without turning into a "universal victim" - this is actually very healing for people who have experienced narcissistic or psychopathic abuse. For any former target of a narcissist or a psychopath, the challenge is not to slide into a simplistic schema of being a victim, and to become assertive without becoming an jerk.
I hope these students realize how fortunate they are to have this brilliant man as a teacher.
To me, starting at 1:45:43…this is JBP at his best. If there’s any lecture to watch, that’s it. No political rambling, no talk of “neomarxist postmodernists:” it’s all about shamanic initiation, encountering chaos, CBT, psychoanalysis, all that awesome jazz. I miss JBP before fame changed him. Great lecture.
I absolutely agree with u; old jp = gold jp = UA-cam lecturer jp. new jp comes across as someone ideologically & politically possessed
THIS JP >> Current jp in my opinion 🌀
Both can coexist at once. I enjoy both.
@@vishvnaik2756 I understand how that happened.
I walked with FridaysForFuture for climate action as a student. As the election in Germany came around in 2021, I looked up all of the climate change plans of every party and it turned out the libertarian party in Germany (FDP) actually had the most effective and efficient plan for climate change. This surprised me because they were well known to be close to industry.
Talking to my friends, at least those who were interested in politics as much as I was, I realized that no one could offer a good counter argument. So some of us actually, even though we were protesting for climate action, did not vote for the green party but rather for the libertarians. I'm grateful that I was able to have these civil conversations with my close friends, I wanted to have the idea, that the most unlikely party had the most comprehensive plan, challenged again and again but it stood strong in every discussion.
The conversations at the protests were different though. Not only was no one open to a discussion about how to solve the problem, they genuinely didn't care to learn about this party's plan. Those were people I was chanting with and they did not care for the best solution, they just cared for their party to win, like when you support a sports team. If they simply didn't trust the libertarian party, I didn't care, then the Green Party should adopt and implement the plan.
I was incredibly disappointed. Made me see many of them in a new light. I became comparatively cynical about the movement and that side of the political aisle. It's like they cared more about fighting than about what they were fighting for.
The plan the libertarian party proposed was a CO2-Certificate Trading System, in which the price of a certificate is determined by the market and the overall number of certificates corresponds to the rest of the CO2-Budget that is left for Germany, when you divide the world CO2-Budget by population. A certificate trading system was the main political solution for closing the ozone layer over Australia, the formerly biggest environmental problem before climate change.
1:52:49 "You gotta think, what's in a cave? And caves are dark man. I dunno if you've ever been in one, but, like, they're dark... and they're 'really' dark."
"The fact that you have limitations means that the plot of your life is the overcoming of those limitations"
Damn, I really see myself reflected on the description of his clients (1:19:00). When I stop being harsh on myself I can create things, and it is so fulfilling. However, most of the time I only listen to my sarcastic and self-degrading comments and I feel stuck.
I am glad the class applauded him for that second lecture. He was on fire
2:12:57 Hahaha it always cracks me up when Prof. Peterson makes these funny voices! :P
Great lecture! The one correction I would say is the part where you talk about Kali.
The man that Kali is standing upon is not someone she has given birth to; it is her husband.
Basically, Kali goes on a rampage and starts killing everyone and everything in her sights. Her husband (Shiva) wants to stop this, so he lays down on the ground. When Kali mistakenly steps on him (it is incredibly impolite to step on a superior in Hindu culture) she becomes embarrassed - Hence, her tongue is out.
Also, Kali comes from the Sanskrit word for time. If she is a representation of threat, do you think it is correlated with time?
Really happy you talk about symbols and mythical representations of things throughout other cultures though!
This is the best example of how Universities are obsolete.
What did the students in that room get beyond what I got? $50k bill.
Absolutely - I give universities another 15 years and that is only because of the monopoly of access to fields such as medicine or legal. I would love to see the apprenticeship system make a comeback.
That and a piece of paper that says they went.
I slightly disagree. Having to put in the time studying for exams created by a particular professor over the material they present is where most of the real learning and thinking occurs. Unless someone who is watching these lectures on UA-cam is taking very detailed notes and spending time doing very in-depth research of the topics, they are not really getting the full benefit of the lectures.
They get to actually talk to the guy and other likely minded people hopefully.
That's a big plus you don't get from MOOCs.
But if you are on the other side of the ocean like me, this is already fantastic.
If you do the reading as well. (assignments are on his website) then you'll get a lot more.
I love Petersson's Mickey Mouse voice as he acts like a student xD
Peterson is a true gift to mankind. It’s unfortunate that many people have grossly inaccurate views about him.
I find his small asides of “ if your interested in psychology” and his very careful use of language and context building very telling. Here is a man who has been pressed through a very narrow channel. He has his well thought out personal beliefs. These beliefs are complex so he feels the need to explain them thoroughly so they aren’t used by his students to justify bad behavior, because he feels a responsibility to his students to spare them the suffering he himself had to endure to gain insight. He also has to navigate the completely political system of academia in order to keep his main stream income in order to support his family (keep in mind, this video was before he became famous). He spent years in a place that hated the very idea of who he is because he wanted to share what he learned to young people in order to alleviate some of their suffering. We are lucky he didn’t kill himself under that kind of pressure. The vast majority of us would never consider that kind of burden to ourselves and family.
This may not be Jordan's intentions but when i watch his lectures i walk away with a sense of fear for the future and for society because a lot of what he talks about (ideology) i see that happening today. Truth is scary i guess but maybe im over thinking this.
Do your part. Tell the truth.
I hear you, Alec. I feel like that sometimes when I come away from these lectures too. And I'd also say that we can also take a few other things away besides the fear that can emerge from an honest appraisal of our situation. Like the value of telling the truth about what we see, of exposing the other side of an archetype that ideologies tend to eclipse or erase. The courage to confront the dragon of chaos, the unknown, the uncertain, and the vulnerable in its lair, slay it, and make order, meaning, and a livable world out of it. Compassion and humility. Integrity. The importance of building resilience over clinging to safety. The willingness to take heed of the tyrannical potential of culture, but also to be very grateful for its many benefits for us. The willingness to listen to both conservatives and liberals, honour the universal values that each holds most sacred, and try to come up with solutions rather than fixating on problems. The openness to seeing solutions and exceptions where others see only problems in the first place. The list goes on and on... there is hope, and we're it, if we choose to be. That's the mythological hero in a nutshell; a living manifestation of hope sharpened by courage and competence.
You've made this comment over a year ago but I wanted to comment on it regardless. I think It is parallel with how he mentions that in order to understand yourself you have to look at your shadow, your capacity of evil. And of the world in that matte. Which is a terrifying thing to do You have to look chaos in the eye. Thats the only way you can reach enlightenment its terrifying and that why not much people reach there.
It is really interesting, when I was going through depression Jordan Petersons videos helped me a lot. Weirdly enough one of the feelings some of the videos gave me was worry. Some of the things he said was hard to accept because it required me to "man up" and "do something" in a way. But it helped. Maybe he makes you realise you have to be careful. And being careful even though is not enough it makes you feel better because you are "prepared"
you haven't been overthinking, look where we are now
These are dream security lessons as in the movie inception
This man is the pinnacle of one of the smartest people I’ve ever known of. He has seriously powerful wisdom to offer
Now I know what I'm doing tonight :3
I have confronted the unimaginable....finding my oldest daughter dead. She'd been dead some 30-40 hours, alone (she was 28, my firstborn). It's been over three years...I was seized and pulled down into the maw he talks about ...these lectures help understand my helplessness and confronting chaos....I just hope to emerge someday. Been rough. Nothing will ever be the same again, and the "future" has become a foreign concept. I guess I share in hoping a morsel of hope or insight or support might ensue.
I'm so sorry for your loss.
God. These lectures are so thought provoking. I feel the need to grab a note book and thoroughly write down these thoughts. It would probably be greatly beneficial. I'll do this when I'm done with school this year, can't wait.
Arden P exactly my thoughts! Even from the first three lectures I've gained so much from taking notes, highly recommend
How is it going? It has been five years.
Excellent logo, sound and camera. Good job. Better camera in lecture 4. Closeups are important.
Most phones have excess resolution and memory, it will be nice when we have automated editing software to capture slides and do closeups from a wide angle shot :p
Jordan, I believe that the Mantis Shrimp can see better than humans, and perhaps better than anything. It's a fascinating creature- worth looking into if you have time.
The mantis shrimp is a great jumping off point for the concept of Umwelt and Heideggarian views of reality and AI - Peterson will discuss this later in his Maps of Meaning lectures. An organism views the world through the prism of it's body and motivations. It sees the world as "affordances" to it's goals, as states of "readiness-to-hand." And nowhere is this more apparent than in the colors it can see and their meaning. The incomprehensibility of viewing the world from a combination of 16 primary colors makes us appreciate the fact that any intelligence is bound by its physical constraints. Even if we were able to create an artificial consciousness (something I believe is far more difficult than any transhumanist or modern materialist technophile imagines), it's grounding in physical reality would be so foreign that reasonable communication between us and it would be even more difficult than between us and a mantis shrimp.
Sounds like youve been shrimp pilled fam.
It is funny that I just want to attend to Jordan Peterson's classes way more than I want to attend to my actual university classes. I guess it is beccause how good as a professor and person he is, that he manages to engage into loving what he is talking about.
"If you cant even think about it, you have some thinking to do" that rocked me...on a few different levels. Always learn just a little bit too much listening to mr. Petersen. Lol
Don’t forget the lobsters, snakes, and unhappy clams!
"Don't sit in the front chair." Don't do nitrous oxide"
TGjazz Well, what's up with that chair?
1:25:15: “Why would you prefer chaos to order? The only possible reason I can think of is that you haven’t read enough history to actually understand what chaos is. If you had, you’d be pretty goddamn careful about tearing down the temple that you live in.”
A muslim from Yemen says: thank you Mister Jordan so much as our prophet said once," those who are not thankful to people, are in fact not thankful to God" .
'don't sit in that chair' is like 'Father Ted' telling Dougal not to press the red button in the plane. it was so hilarious.
finished watching 2016 year lectures on personality, but still find these very informative!
Unexplored ocean was marked "here be dragons" on old maps. I used to think that the sailors thought that dragons lived in those places and that they were afraid to go there and that's not the case, they were simply stating that the area is unknown, because the dragon represents the unknown.
If I'm taking 3 classes and watching your videos can I consider myself a full-time student? I need proof for my parents that I'm not lazy.
he probably requires a lot of reading from his students. Jung, Nietzsche, Heidegger, etc.
Go to his webpage, you can find the reading required for this course!
Well, parents know best. You might want to get something notarized.
It's hard to even comprehend how valuable Jordan's lectures and his precious his care for human kind is
Im so glad your posting this stuff... its great. Thank you
The entire world is the recipient of each one of his interviews, lectures, and classes as huge gifts to society.
That lecture was un-bloody-believable, roughly speaking.
Jordan is firing on all cylinders here.
I don't know if any of Jordan Peterson's student's truly grasp how fortunate they are to be taught by such a mastermind and truly, TRULY, incredible human being. I envy them tremendously.
A few maybe, but most? No. A lot of what he says requires life experience of journeying into that personal underworld to really understand. It's not impossible to have experienced that before being an undergrad - I think this is a 200-level course, so his students here are going to be mostly sophomores, I believe - but it's not common.
I'm 35 now, I've been unemployed several times, I've had a failed engagement, I've had PTSD from an accident, and other horrible experiences... and I've come out the other side to a fairly stable and orderly life. Almost everything he says, to me, makes incredible sense. Had I listened to this lecture series when I was 20... his presentation would have still made it engaging, but 80% of it would have gone right past me as unrelatable.
Human beings can't understand insights that are too alien to their lived experiences - they're just perceived as gibberish. We can understand things that are a little different from our experiences, especially if they are conveyed to us in a narrative form. Narrative actually makes it possible to learn and comprehend ideas that are fairly different from out own experiences, but it can only go so far. AND... Peterson's lectures talk about narrative a lot, BUT they are not narrative-ly formatted themselves, and that limits their comprehensibility to people who haven't experienced enough of the fundamental tragedies of life that are the cornerstones of his view of human existence in the world.
These are great lectures, but I fear they are wasted on the young... except those who've already had fairly tragic lives, which I presume a few of his students will have, but not most.
I disagree with what you say about his insights being "perceived as gibberish". I think anyone can relate to the tragedies of life, because they are universal. Everyone understands that life is full of sad events. Who hasn't noticed that they will one day die, and then questioned how they are using their limited time? Who hasn't noticed that life isn't fair, not even in the developed world? Who has gone a single day without some negative emotion? We've all been there, and that's how we are able to relate to the great stories of mankind.
I do not think anyone with a brain can deny what he's saying here as meaningless gibberish. There's obvious symbolism with snakes and dragons etc. They're not just arbitrarily chosen animals. Surely everyone can accept that? He even explains in depth his beliefs and insights, so why would someone disregard what he says.
Maybe I can agree with him because I'm an extremely open-minded person who has experienced some degree of tragedy (not as severe as your experiences).
What you need is where you refuse to look. When you hear the truth it is simply energizing.
That was an absolute revelation.
What are these people even writing in their notes?😂
hahahahaha
Maybe it's a poem?
@@Arcticroberto9376 that pfp with that comment...
My notes would be along the lines of “dad = the judgment of all humanity” and “snek is there whether you notice it or not.”
01:20:22 to 01:24:53
*_Be Useful in the face of death_*
_It's useful to put yourself trough initiations, facing your fears or proving (to yourself) that your limits can be pushed_
(also, it's the passage that didn't get out of my head since more than one year, I always think : "Will I be a shoulder to cry on, useful and strong for others, when my parents pass away" this though helped me get stronger)
1:13:00 i love how he sets up and explains the intrinsic nature of music, hands down, the most profound 2 minutes(give or take) ive ever heard on the subject. the man is pulsing with life and the knowledge thereof. and like a psychological graffiti artist, we can see his pride as he scoffs at those who would not understand and yet laughs it off knowing his argument can not be torn down. shits deep, bruh. #shitsdeep
First of all, Jordan, I am amazed to be able to watch your lectures from Latin America... Second of all, I have a question, how are we certain that zebras are not "constantly freaking out" about the possibility of lions hunting them? I mean, is there proof that we are the only anxious animals? Maybe we are the most, but how do we know that they're not anxious in their own way? (I ask in humble ignorance)
27:41 - Starts undressing.
38:30ish staring at fire. Have you ever seen people sit around a fire pit with no fire? They still stare at the pit. They are just restless when doing so. It's funny to watch.
Parents need to understand the lesson that JP teaches about knowing you have teeth but not using them when teaching their kids to "Turn the other cheek". I spent a year and a half or so allowing myself to be pushed around by a few kids in school and never once did I feel like the "Bigger Man" I was promised I would feel like. Had I stood my ground and fought back I know for a fact that the bullying would have stopped and I would have gained personal power from the experience. I later learned how to "be dangerous" in HS from wrestling and I still carry that initial lesson with me, near 10 years later.
The "turn the other cheek" advice is completely bs
I used to do that when I was a kid and my life was a fucking hell for years during my school days
And that attitude only made me feel a weak ass man well until my mid twenties
If I haver have any kids myself, I'll order them to punch the other kids between the eyes the second any of them tries to mess with them
Anyway, sorry for my little rant here
Have a great day man
Ayahuasca is a very difficult process that requires a Hero's mind to continue once you start. I spent a month in Brazil, and every third night I drank the brew. It will indeed bring you to the depths of hell, show you what lies there (within the deepest recesses of your subconscious), and then manages to draw it to the surface like a venom or poison. Shamanic initiation is a part of the old human way that should never have been lost.
It was not lost. It was hidden. Deliberately. By men. To control men.
I could listen to Mr peterson all day. Such a privilege to be able to listen to him. Thank you Mr peterson.
oh wow. poster of Stalin in Latvian. greetings from Latvia. this knowledge might be especially significant in post-communism countries.
I just had a thought: when he talks about how wide the hips are and the brain/head size, it reminded me of a précédent lecture if Adam and Eve and the forbidden fruit making them aware of themselves and their limits and telling the woman she would suffer in child birth, it could have a link, I mean, the coming of intelligence, a larger brain and the childbirth becoming more painful.