2017 Maps of Meaning 09: Patterns of Symbolic Representation
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- Опубліковано 28 бер 2017
- In this lecture, I discuss the manner in which the fundamental symbolic archetypes (particularly those dealing with the Wise King and Tyrant) are hijacked for the purposes of propaganda. Ideologies are parasites. Their hosts are archetypes. Knowledge of the underlying archetypes can produce immunity against ideological possession.
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One of my favorite Jung quotes: "No tree, it is said, can grow to heaven unless its roots reach down to hell."
Love that
It’s that a Nietzsche idea?
@Peter Girnus
Is your profile pic a bind rune? It looks like gebu and wunjo
(or the Christian "xi rho") with perthro too... It's interesting...
@@oz7081 yep
@@oz7081 it's at least ancient, if we are talking about human ideas, but i do not know about this particular metaphor
a Peterson a day keeps the chaos away.
wtf bro?! are u even listening to him&?! u mustn't keep chaos away, u should embrace it and concur it and map it and rescue ur papa from it!
... keeps too much chaos away, then :)
For fucking real tho
An apple a day.....makes JBP not sleep for 19 days
Mrfailstandstil undue chaos, that is. I think the message is: yeah, we should venture into chaos to renew our lives but only to the degree that it’s necessary, otherwise everything that lurks in the unexplored domain might be too much, & that’s no goodie.
"Before you're disciplined you're not free, you're just chaotic."
Where’s that from its wise
@@neo1675 this lecture
@@ljph_1995 what minute
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@@neo1675 jocko
"Why be virtuous?, So you can bare the suffering of life without becoming corrupt"- JP Brilliant
should be "bear" not "bare"
'bare' gives a darker meaning to that statement!
That's not profound, nor even the question these types are asking. The question is as follows:
Why is becoming corrupt bad (and why should I care, regardless)?
Retro Workshop Because you add more suffering to yourself and others than is necessary.
This quote right here is pretty damn amazing
Watching this and reflecting on the conversation with Sam Harris, it's clear the two have a deep difference not just in belief and style but deep into cognitive function. JP has a broad, synthetic vision with connections everywhere; Sam has a detailed, incisive view but blind to the whole. JP values the novel connection (venturing into chaos) while Sam bunkers down in the known. If you push JP's thinking pattern to the extreme, there is psychosis; if you push Sam's, you have Asperger's. Sam only ever sounds logical but will never teach you anything truly new. Meanwhile JP occasionally skirts into mystical territory that risks sounding silly, but that's the voyage of the artist and will open an entirely new world. It's a temperamental difference and which style you like no doubt depends on your own.
Great comment. Thank you Luke
Exactly right.
I love your analysis :D
Star Wars vs. Trek.
Best comment
He got so much respect for his students and you can see that when he answers their questions and listens to them. Loving this small fact.
yeah I smiled when the students applaud for the first time
Yea they seem like a tough crowd though, the 2016 class was a bit more interactive and entertained.
Wasn't EVER my experience with ANY "Teacher" I ever had.
Why U.S. Teacher's Unions need to go to (s)crap heap.
Federal Employee Union too. Even FDR himself, the Left Wing's Patron Saint of everything, knew that was a bad idea.
This was an especially good "episode." Also, I was folding my laundry, making my bed, and cooking meals for the week while listening to this. Feels good to have someone telling me there's meaning in keeping order in my life.
Too bad you'll never get laid. At least the world won't have to deal with your offspring
"Why is there so much suffering in the world? Because we are not yet what we could be." JBP. AWESOME.
"Why be virtuous, that's the question. It is so you can bear the suffering of life without becoming corrupt" -JBP Working my way through these lectures, JBP is like the Jazz of lecturers; talking about one thing, then goes off topic where you learn a load of other things before coming back to the subject at hand. I so wish I had been able to access his works as a teenager. Would have helped me make life more stable for sure. Long may he continue.
2:00 Governments reflect the archetypes the people care about
17:00 Sacrifice
20:00 Groups, morality, brain size
37:00 - 45:00 There is no learning without sacrifice
45:00 Jonah, telling people they've sinned
1:04:30 Evolution of sacrifices
2:02:50 Conscientiousness and sacrifice, delayed gratification. IQ. Marshmallow test.
2:06:30 Baldwin effects. Memes turn into archetypes.
Is it possible that this man is getting smarter and smarter every single week? This is probably the best lecture from Dr. Peterson so far, because it brings all the puzzle pieces of his philosophy together. I am starting to be able to discuss with really educated people about the most difficult political and philosophical issues I had no clue about before. And I make them literally speechless.
The problem is: Why does every single sentence of this man resonate so much with me? I mean he is challenging my mind beyond belief, but why is there no resistance to his words inside of me? Can this be dangerous? Anyone who feels the same or has a point to make about that?
I agree completely. I simply think this guys gets it.... And because of youtube and the internet, we can start to get it too? I feel like this guy is so different from everything else i have thought but also somehow in ways i have thought all along so much that I'm less scared that there is so little resistance...
Yes, it can be dangerous, and be wary of that. I feel much the same way as you, it has been about 4 months since I found Dr. Peterson's lectures and for most of that time I was pretty much flabbergasted, and I have learned so much to the point it has radically changed my life. But do not lose yourself in him completely, and don't shy away from disagreeing with him on certain subjects. I personally feel like Jordan is being influenced negatively by a certain part of his new found audience, and I have observed changes in his stances and behavior as a result of it. And who can blame him? Even someone as well-balanced as him will have some difficulty becoming so radically resonating with so many people in such a short time period. It's not easy. Anyway, my point is that you must keep using your critical eye, even towards someone as intellectually intimidating and enlightening as Dr. Peterson. Nobody is perfect, and nobody has it all figured out.
Yeah, that is true. I have noticed so many comments from people, who are beginning to worship Dr. Peterson, starting to create "Team Peterson" (against Team Sam Harris for example), starting a Peterson tribe, want him in politics ("Peterson for president")and beginning to form a cult around him with their hero as priest. I dont want any of that. I dont want him to become a superstar, a politician or a cult leader. This man is a precious gift for our strongly irritated modern times and his mind and soul must not become corrupted by the seduction of power. But I am pretty sure he is well aware of that danger, because he speaks openly and honestly about his personal flaws and according to his theory this will protect him from becoming corrupt. Unless these are not just words...
What kind of changes in his stance and behaviour have you already noticed? That is interesting, because I didn´t.
Well, I don't know what your political affiliation is, so what I'm about to say may rub you the wrong way, and it will certainly piss off a good percentage of the people reading this. But it's no secret that a lot of these so called alt-righters have flocked to Dr. Peterson and are attracted to his message, presumably for his strong denunciations of SJW's, PC culture and the radical left. I think it's great that these people, whom I strongly disagree with on pretty much everything, are listening to Peterson, but I do believe they are listening to him for the wrong reasons.
I also feel, and I acknowledge I may be completely wrong here, that this far-right fanbase has influenced Peterson's views in the sense that he is increasingly incapable of differentiating between left/liberal, and the radical left, basically bundling them all together. I frequently see comments of people saying that they were once liberals but have become conservative after watching Peterson's lectures, and that is just bizarre to me. Unless you are a radical ideologue, regardless of what side of the political spectrum you are on (and I would say that the alt-right is definitely radical) Peterson has said nothing that should make you give up your previous political beliefs on a whimper, just like that. Hes not arguing against liberalism or moderate leftism; hes arguing against what happens when such ideologies become all-consuming.
But I do think that the backlash and harassment he has received from such types over the last few months has jaded him to the point were the left as a whole is denounced, and I don't think that benefits anyone. Again, that has been my observation, and I may as well be wrong.
Jordan is articulating something that is 'always known'..making the unconscious ..conscious. It's like someone telling you a memory that you forgot.
This man is not some mere college professor, he is a straight up life coach! This is a man to look up to for sure.
imo professor of psychology, sounds much better then life coach lol
@@arturhashmi6281 a life coach is an unemployed single woman who thinks she knows better about someone else's life
He´s like an academic Clint Eastwood
and that's that!
@@BernardoFlor_Krio I read your comment in JBP's voice. :D
So... do ya feel lucky? Do ya?
This is perhaps the most accurate (read, "ARTICULATE" in JBP's voice) way of describing him.
Both are Geminis.
Cleaning my room and listening to this at the same time... Synchronicity indeed
I'm still on the first five minutes. Had to stop every second to take notes. It's just that rich with content.
SAME
Dr. Jordan Peterson has become my own personal archetypal father figure.
His opening dialogue here is just wow... Its wow. I love it when this man is on fire. It makes your soul tingle when he hits the threads of existence with his words.
I've never been so impatient to learn as this last week.
Been yearnin for a learnin
i dont give a shit if the ppl wilfully and knowingly are doing this are black blue buddhist white green, who ever the fuck is this disguting and deceptive is a pure cancer and an existential virus on all humanity..DISFUCKING GUSTING...
Pa Go who had a shet without flushing the toilet?
James Todd keep your pants on lol
James Todd texted.
We need more educators like you who are driven and passionate. Not a psychology student but all your lectures are exhilarating. I can make sense of everything you say.
Sweater game is ON POINT!
Like an amphibian Jordan moves between the margins of wearing his dressing gown to work while claiming it's a cardigan.
“Impeccable” describes JBP from his speech right down to his style.
Dude, and the cowboy boots? I mean cmon, how much style can one man handle!?
If you can do a lecture and get your students to applaud voluntarily afterwards, you know you've reached out to them.
This is what iv been searching for for years. Iv been so lost, I used to have a strong identity, raised as a Christian, I never doubted myself or anything I was taught, I never betrayed myself or my beliefs, I had naive confidence, strong back bone, determination, a mission. My ideology was ripped apart when I was 22, I slowly fell into chaos. Became overwhelmed with guilt over the mistakes I made in life as well as felt purposeless, confused, depressed, scared. I im 25 now, I've been obsessively learning philosophy as well as listening to many speakers, Jordan Peterson included. This lecture series has blown me away, I wish I found it sooner. I still feel very lost but on track I suppose. I still have not been able to regain my drive, momentum, confidence and belief in myself. My mind is so scrambled some days, iv been unlearning and learning alot, I don't have structure nor discipline. Thinking about joining a jiu-jitsu gym for that.
Я тоже, но мне уже 59 лет, 😢
"The more responsibility you take on the more meaning your life has." So very profound.
Thank you for all you've sacrificed and please, never give up. Just listening to your discussions has made me a better man. I now have something to believe in, a goal. Not to be rich, not to live in deceptive comfort, but to try. I want to be moral. I want to be responsible. I want my actions on this planet to mean something. I want to be alive.
Thank you sir
Strength and honour
"But to try." Love it
Beautiful. How are you doing 4 years later, mein frund?
I'm so emotional your comment almost made me cry lol
Hello Dr. Peterson, My first time making a comment on UA-cam it is your Channel! Your work has helped me immensely . Continuing telling the truth !
What a trip to have you reply back! I feel like a kid in awe to a ballplayer ( when they were held as "heroes" ). But You are the Hero now to those of us who cannot speak the truth with the depth and clarity as you process.
ern sam CLEAN YOUR ROOM
@@waitingforparts57 it seems like he deleted the reply, can you remember what he wrote?
@@Andreas-qm3cc bump
i wish i could be 18 again and attend your classes so i could go through my thirties more aware of all the shit that sorounds me..
Danko gott you are still young enough!
Yes me too! But it's not too late start now!! With God all things are possible he will give back the years the locust ate.
I'm so grateful I started listening to these right at the end of my twenties. Now I'm trying to impart it on the teens in my life, but they don't have much interest, hah. I'm still trying though!
I'm 20 and wish I heard this when I was 10 so I could be the boy genius.
I wouldn't have listened when I was 18 lol I'm only just about listening now at 40...
I've listened to hundreds of hours of JBP and he always manages to say something that runs chills through my spine.
Such an elegant character that really brings the best out of people, people like that are so rare that we should all cherish JBP and be thankful that we got him.
One of the best moments in this is around 1:40 untill 1:42 or so..
Ive never been to a lecture in which the students applauded the professor after. That is amazing.
Around 34:30 he drops "Familiar, Family" comparing two words that sound alike but most people don't think have any connection whatsoever. It's kind of amazing how insight like that is just a split second name drop in his lectures.
I rewatched the entire second half the this lecture multiple times, and loved every second of it.
The most important person of our lifetime, completely changed my outlook and my life.
Thank you JBP
I honestly just think you point out the obvious profundity of the human experience and landscape and it clicks well with so many people because so much of it is obviously true. I'll think throughout the lecture, "oh yeah, I knew that, makes sense." I would even bet that this is a common comment, because it's so damn true and really resonates at a visceral and logical level simultaneously.
43:43 "...the relationship falls apart. No challenge." I'm astonished. You just explained the failure of a relationship whose demise I was trying to get a handle on for four years. I can't believe I never considered that.
We're so lucky we have the internet and that we can listen to JP
This is probably one of my favorite lectures delivered by Dr. Peterson. It's amazing how he can synthesize a large swathe of rigorous academic, religious and literary texts into a single coherent narrative.
Anyone else feel conflicted about being addicted to JBP lectures?
Got to watch em all!
I do. I don't want to get myself caught in an echo chamber where I only watch what I find agreeable without challenging myself. But I don't watch things I don't agree with much because I find it hard to find things I disagree with compelling to watch or listen to.
Yes. That's something that does seperate Peterson from other thinkers, and maybe makes him somewhat echo chamber proof. He is taking embodied knowledge and making it conscious.
Ghost in a Jar: I've had similar thoughts about not wanting to place myself in a Jordan Peterson echo chamber. So sometime what I'll do is read a book or listen to another lecturer whose views have at least some differences with Peterson's, and another thing that I try the best I can to do, is to become aware of the moments when I react negatively to something that Peterson said and NOT repress those feelings, but rather be mindful of them so that I can find area's of disagreement. But yeah, it's hard not to idolize Peterson. The man speaks a language that feels so right, true, just, and valuable.
My Wife got worried when I started drinking Coke Zero.
Incredible, Peterson is just giving a fucking lecture for a course I'm not taking and never will take, but I sit here in awe and inspired to improve myself.
A genius speaking knowleadgeably about quantum physics, biology and psychology in an interesting practical way. Each lecture is a braingasm. Thanks for this Dr. Peterson
So true. Nice username, man
watched all of M/M 2016 and M/M 2017 (up until here) and this is my favorite lecture so far. We're so lucky to have this content available for free.
Thank God for freedom of speech.
I always felt that these lectures should end in a round of applause, I'm exuberant that this one did just that. Thank you for another journey into myself. You are the best I've found so far at leading me into the unknown chaos that awaits us all when we delve into ourselves. This lecture series has profoundly changed me! Thank you for piecing this together, but more over, sharing it with all of us. So that we can know what these stories have been trying so hard to tell us.
This reminds of when Keanu got plugged into that machine in The Matrix and a flood of information was downloaded into him. A flood of information, and no way to stop it flushing forth. A burst dam.
I'm 3 years late huhu
I know Kung fu
One more comment: I really enjoy these lectures, thanks for sharing. And thanks for making the world a better and truer place.
I liked this talk, big fan of biblical archetypes even though I'm atheist. during the Sam Harris podcast I understood why Harris was giving him a hard time, but I do love these biblical archetype metaphors.
Jordan Dressed one shade off from MR. Rodgers.. which is a subconscious archetypal manifestation lol.. "The benevolent neighbor"
"Wandering off in a single direction is extraordinarily dangerous, you will eventually fall over a cliff" Damn, that was so simple yet so eye opening.
Yes, but this dynamic is also illustrated in one of the archetypes: the fool in the tarot deck.
Sometimes one must risk carelessly walking off the cliff in order to experience true freedom. It’s a trade off.
@@stvbrsn innteresting
I just can't stop binge watching Peterson's videos 😂😂
I really am getting myself together these days because of it. It's already giving its fruit, since I seem to be doing so much better than before and also the majority of other people. It's insane really, but works out extremely well for me. Thanks dr. Peterson!
All of these lectures have so many great bits of information and insight. This is perhaps one of the most important, for me, in understanding how all of these ideas hold together. Amazing.
Delighted to hear such a well deserved applause at the end! So good to see students respecting such a profound intellectual and dedicated teacher! Truly inspiring! Thank you Dr Peterson!
Your videos make me grow as a person mr Peterson, I will be forever grateful, and will continue what you teach to my future kids.
Wow! Just so brilliant. 1:04:02 JBP explains about the Hindu Goddess kali and I being a Hindu by birth can say Man he got it so perfect. In our culture, we sacrifice animals to the goddess kali but I never knew why we do that. Maybe sacrificing animals isn't the optimal sacrifice but sacrificing our polluted self is the right kind of sacrifice and this idea obviously came from JBP. Hats off Dr. Peterson. You know more about Hinduism than 99.99% of us.
My second time watching this. It’s very interesting, I’m currently reading “12 Rules For Life”.
Oh good. You fixed the playlist to play in the right order. I was about to leave a comment about that in one of your previous videos. Thank you for that, Dr. Peterson.
this is one of the scariest lectures, I'm 25 and female terrified of being a baby machine, clueless about what I wanna do with my life :) just a bundle of joy to watch this.
"Terrified of being a baby machine"
Can you elaborate a bit? Is that your view of marriage?
I have been listening to Mr. Peterson for about a week straight now while I paint, he is a very deep thinker. I think he picked up the dying torch of Joseph Campbell and basically started a bonfire with it! So glad to have a positive role model in opposition to our current post modern deconstructionist obsessed society. Thank you so much for posting these.
I hate deconstructionist.
I’m back watching these wonderful lectures in lockdown. JBP is really needed at this difficult time in our history. Chop chop professor there is work to be done. Get well soon
Since finding Mr. Peterson I have explored and accepted my limitations and my life has improved tenfold. Thank you just doesn't cut it.
This is he best lecture so far. Outstanding.
I have found a very interesting convergence of this lecture with - of all things - an episode of Star Trek The Next Generation called "Darmok". The crew encounters a culture whose sole mode of communication consists of naming the archetype relevant for a given situation. Unfortunately, these archetypes are not known to the crew, so they cannot communicate with the aliens. The Unknown is so unknown that Picard has no cognitive tools to even try to unpack it. But the alien captain kidnaps - in a way - Picard down to a planet, where they have to live through an archetypical situation, grappling together with a beast. They are forced to develop modes of communications which they can name - each in their own way. This shared experience becomes the core of their mutual understanding. The archetypes are such core for all of us, sometimes not articulated but somehow common and somehow accessible for all. Obtaining that understanding, that sort of emotional cohesion is - as the film suggest - even worthy of ultimate sacrifice.
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.
His eyes wide open.
What an ending! You know you're in a proper lecture that wraps it all up.
53:09 made my mouth drop, he is just so well spoken and his ability to connect ideas and articulate them in such a profound way keeps me listening!!
40:00 - "You want to become a master of taking down the wall, extending them and building up". Best approach to motivate people to learn new things incrementally.
I'm insanely grateful this is available.
FOR FREE extremely grateful.
Thank you for your work. I'm so grateful that I have a way to understand the world I live in and how to operate in it. Also, the how to write an essay (how to articulate) is empowering so much that I feel disgusted at my prior education. Thank you so god damn much. I can move forward in a way that's not as slow as going through quicksand. I can dig myself right out. My life is so much easier and more beneficial now.
I started creating short stories based on his ideas for myself and it helped me understand the world around me. I feel more connected, less fragmented creatively.
I feel blessed to virtually attend his lectures.
Recognition. Gratitude. Love. And a big smile.
So much brilliance and elucidation in every statement.
Thank you for recording and sharing this JP.
The good Dr. often brings to my mind the C.S. Lewis essay, Myth Became Fact and Acts 17: 23 - 30.These are just a few of my favorite things. So many things fire off in my mind when listening to him. Old Joe Campell was merely a primer. His talks are helping me to bear my sufferings with more gratitude than I had previously been. My already active dream life is become terribly imtense as of late. I'm wondering if it isn't a response to these lectures. Anyways, tanks a bunch, Dr. Peterson!
I just found your channel and I am so excited to watch more of your lectures. Thank you!
Dr. Peterson is just on fire in this lecture. He really glows. Fascinating!
Dear Mr Peterson, I've listened many your talks. They are really helpful for me. Thank you so much
This should be a mandatory course everyone takes before they’re 20
The curious are already partaking. I find it a personal blessing how accessible this information is.
@@Phoenix-Brah it is !
Talked about JP at my NA meeting tonight, particularly the bit about structure leading to freedom.
Best lecture thus far, IMO. Dr. P is especially fired up in this one.
The applause was 100% necessary, once again, I thank and applaude you Jordan Peterson!
this is absolutely marvelous. i love these talks and recently bought the book =)
After every JP lecture I always listen to Wagner, I just get a craving for that type of dramatic mythological art
1hour 35 in. Thanks Jordan I am glad you understand this and thanks for sharing this info. I was totally despised by my father. I assume its bc i was the reason he got "stuck" with a life choice that would never leave. I felt the repercussions of that so much I blocked him from my life my care. I have the most selfish parents and it really does make a negative difference in a life. I have also walked the walk of raising 2 young men on my own since they were babies on 1 income as 1 person. Strong enough to have done this and continuing to do this. I am so glad I found your lectures. Thank You♥️
Man!!!! i have never felt better and secure since meeting The Professor. This is what I missed in college. I am taking notes...
Don't you ever make we wait this long for a video ever again 😂😂😭
i just go over the 2016 lectures again during a lul :)
started watching camile paglia lectures at .5 speed
Spring break.
S.Y.O.
Tom Buckley, you jinxed us! Where is #10??
The Passion and energy! And knowledge!!
my morning with Jordan ....my life is changing .
this is the best lecture i've seen him give thusfar. fantastic.
Love these lectures so much thank you!! I just wanted to add that looking at the patients dietary and exercise habits may also be important before prescribing antidepressants...just a thought, and I'm not a doctor
I was just thinking it had been too long since you last posted a good, long lecture and bam! Thank you for apparently anticipating my concern. :)
I have to say, our spokesfrog here (nice sweater, btw, shades of early Kermit) has made me a better parent. Simply by articulating my goals better than I ever was able to, I have a better image of my target, which makes it a lot easier to aim at.
1:35:54 Thanks for making that crystal clear Dr. Peterson
We can listen to this over and over and still learn something new every time
"Your girlfriend is not your mother" - Peterson
or at least they shouldn't be.
Nor is your wife. Realized far too late that’s what my ex wanted me to be.
@@elycetyler1942 You could've helped him.
Anyone who really likes the interpetation of these stories should check out the book Iron John by Robert Bly. It explores the deep meaning behind an old story in a similar fashion. JBP his lectures remind of the experience of going through that book...
Thank YOU Jordan Peterson!!! You simply sharing this knowledge has completely transformed my life… started absorbing this information back in 2017 when i was working 3 jobs; a butcher , a chef & a server at three different places. Was completely broke selling cocaine & other substances to feed my habits of BEiNG hell bent on self destruction… for starters i was lying to myself & my intimate partner on the daily… scheming & co-creating iNFiNiTE headed hydras with almost every interaction & relationship. Started to “enter the dragons” & stop lying to myself & others… then i slowly let go of my drug addictions including my self loathing. Worked on cleaning up my living spaces, moved to a different state & created a daily routine. I’m almost 27; For the last four years having a daily practice to help ground myself & focused on gratitude instead of PAiN. Thank you Dr. Jordan Peterson, words cannot describe my appreciation & limitless LOVE for you & everyone YOU love & have helped establish a iNTEGRAL consciousness. 🌬♾🕸💗🌊🛸🌊🌔✨☀️❤️🔥
I've been noticing interesting parallel themes as he discusses potential becoming actualized and how that overlaps with Aristotle/Thomas Aquinas and hylomorphic dualism. Those are ideas worth pondering 🤔 Thanks for your work, Dr. Petermson 👏
My guys sweater is on point here!
"Before you are disciplined you are not free, you are just chaotic." - JBP
Starting around 9:00 JP references how if you understand the archetypes, you'll be able to resist ideological propaganda. Profound and true!
All of his lectures take me 1.5x-2x more time to watch. I’m not native in English, so I keep rewinding in order to fully fathom the concepts being uttered. But the feeling of a sage I have afterwards makes every second worth more, than of a damn Snyder Cut.
I'm not sure how these students don't ask more questions. After three questions he's like "Any more questions?" and the students are like "newp" and I'm like "YES!".
Me too !
Another very good lecture.
I thought for a second, that I'm very grateful to live in a world where he can be critical of the universities while leading this class and no one is trying to shut him down, then I remembered.
"All the way down.." you command attention even the body language is speaking with you sir we are all greaful