Long Lasting Floor
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- Опубліковано 1 лют 2016
- Tile is a very very Long Lasting Floor ! In this video, I will show you how I went about installing this wood look plank tile. Long wood look plank tile. When done correctly tile is the longest lasting floor covering you can have up to 50 years! How is that for long lasting !
Installation by Donnie D's Tile&Remodeling LLC
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Staggered joints always looks better than stair stepping joints in a hardwood looking floor.
nice system with everything on wheels
Many thanks for taking the time to make the vid. Very informative and helpful. I have some /little experience with tile setting and will be installing 6x36 in our master bath this weekend. Thanks for the info about stagger and lippage as it applies to large tiles. I would not have known about those things if I have not watched your vid. Thanks again.
Thanks! Glad I could help!
Great video.
thanks!
I have those same knee pads, they are a gift from the flooring gods
Aaron Kay you got that right!
I know it's an older video but, very well done bud!!! Glad I came across your channel as, I want to support as many Jersey guys as I can!! Until da next one, Dirty Jersey out!!!
Money Making Mike G. Thank you!
I did my first tile attempt in a laundry room. Used laticrete membrane and thinsets, with spin doctor system. I only got about 1/3 done so far 33sqft, using half a bag. The 4xlt is great, i needed the long working time. My only issue is that i wanted to start at the threshold, to ensure it was straight, rather than work my way from the wall out. Ill have to step on the dried tile to complete, not ideal but it will turn out great in the end. Your vids help a lot.
Awesome.Glad we could help!
ok quick question see how you start the layout and understand that part. I'm guessing the line where you have the full tile is the center line of the room. so from your center line to the wall looks like it is 6 tiles wide. you start longest to shortest now from that point to the wall do you begin to reverse to the second smallest then up in size. thanks for the info my bathroom is 60" wide so that would be 6 rows of tiles for me.
Great video the best I have seen so far, all the techniques I understand should be are used here, I have laid floors before but have 30sq Meter of 6x36 tiles to lay in my kitchen. Have heard horror stories of lippage but your 25% rule should help with that hopefully Thanks
Awesome! glad we could help
keying in your thinset and back buttering👍👍👍👍👍 looks good bud good
Yes sir! Thank you for watching
Everything on point bro, I use those same clips, good stuff back buttering. Pro kneeeeesssss!!!
What are the clips you are using?
You did a great looking job here. Very clean work. lots of haters!! c Dittmer. You must have been traveling long and far to have tiled "50", ..count them,.. "50" malls. I'm in a heavily populated area and we don't have 50 malls within a 100 mile radius. "NEVER" back buttered. Dtile is a fine tile setter, but you my friend are a GOD! Your trowel isn't the only tool in the truck.
Too bad but the malls are shutting down. It's back to those small 3000 ft jobs.
Donnie, great video. I am getting ready to do the tile in my bathroom with this same look. I think I have a good understanding with the stagger that you are doing; however, could you clarify a little bit more. Early on in the video you have them also in a pyramid format. How are the tiles then being laid out in one "row"? Are you also changing between the 4 lengths there as well?
ok well.I cut them like i said in the vid.Then i just repeat the pattern for every 4 rows of tile
Nice tile work brother. Thank you for sharing. The only thing is the music . I hope you dont have to listen to that on the work site. Maybe something like looking in the future by journey would be cool.
Its hard game on your body that tiling ,esp with size of tiles nowadays
A leveling system so great you don't even need any levels (bubblestick) on the job. Awesome!
No it doesn't level the tile it gets the tile flat. (lippage free) (each tile in plane with the other)
I’ve been to 50 malls and airports. Most of them have broken cracked tile. Probably;y done by the “never back buttered one of them guy”. Nice work !
Mitch Smith I hear ya.Thanks
kibebaszott lassú :)
Well-done video and narration, Dtile. The only thing I want to point out is that combing the thinset parallel with the long side like you do isn't the most effective and safe choice. Parallel grooves force the air in the middle of the tile where the most crown is to have to squeeze through 18" of collapsing channels before exiting the tile. The chances are much higher of air becoming trapped with such a long run, especially since the sides of the tile with less crown collapse the ridges before the center as time to fully collapse. If you comb perpendicular to the long side, the air in the center must only move 3" to get outside and will completely escape no question. Combing parallel as you do is far better than circles/cross-hatch/random patterns, but I'd change to perpendicular for the best results and durability. It seems you care about your craftsmanship, so hopefully you take my advice as a friendly suggestion.
Agree. Let the air escape. Watch this
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Great video, did you use rapid set adhesive and how long in real time did this take please?
Thank you. No rapid set was used. It been many years since I did this project. I would say about a week or so for the membrane, tile setting and grouting
Great video! Looks like you're using Raimondi. Good stuff. I've been using a 1/2 x 1/4 u notch be Superior that puts down as much thinset as a 1/2 square notch, but collapses much easier. I'm a suckered for a new trowel, I know.
Thanks! Yea i haven't tried that type of trowel yet.I have tried the 3/4x9/16 U notch.that one give very good coverage but doesn't give you the adjustment a 1/2x1/2 does
There's a number of trowels that put out about as much thinset as a 1/2 square notch. Basic idea is that the notches in the thinset collapse easier. That way you don't have to beat the tile with a rubber mallet. I was trying out a new trowel. Thing about that big u notch you're talking about is that's a whole lot of thinset. It collapses down to about 7/16 if iirc. We have some wavy slabs here in East Texas.
Yea i have tried so many different trowels that help give you better coverage.But I find with a 1/2x1/2 standard square notch trowel you have more adjustment.And it still give you at least 85% coverage.The others will give you into the 90% coverage zone but def not as much adjustment.
I use the Raimondi Tile leveling system. Works pretty good. The price is right.
I laid some plank and wondered what I was doing wrong having to scoot so much back and forth laying the tile but I see it can't be avoided. Maybe a knee pad with wheels like your tile buggy? haha . I wasn't getting good adhesion either, had to butter the tile. Plank is a lot harder than square to lay so bid accordingly. I also don't see how you could lay a whole room in one day without walking on some wet tile.
yopagedotcom I hear ya
Pretty sure that the recommended direction of spreading the thinset is to spread it parallel to the SHORT edge of the tile. That's the opposite of what you're doing here. But hey, whatever seems to work for you!
Yes you are correct. At the time we did not know.
What is the name of the tile cutter you're using in this video? Could you recommend any in the $100-$200 range?
Ishi big clunker,this one cuts up too 28" tile
12"x48" tile how to lay out 15'x15' space do i cut some tile in 1/2 create a pattern
What spacing do you use for 6x24 porcelain planks installed on 1/3rd running bond pattern?
teh60 doesn’t matter on the tile being a plank.If it’s a calibrated tile then 3/16 min
For a rectified tile 1/8 min
teh60 ramdon pattern you start the next row with the left over cut you did
Hi
Thanks for making the video! Have you tried the ATR leveling system? I am about to start my first tile project, I like the Raimondi system, but.. you have to "break pieces off" at the end..?
The ATR system does not have anything to "break off"
Can you give me your thoughts?
I appreciate it!
I have used the ATR system.Not my cup of tea
I hate that tile ,but using medium bed thin set sure helps .And I have used them pesky self levelers for about 10 sq ft lmao!!
👍👍😊
tilers backbutter because we trust the feel, one can be a touch dryer on the mix, better control of hydration and level not for you for me i cheap with l level devices cheers
Hi I'm doing my closet and my tile is 6X36 can you explain the cutting sizes in your video for the 25% what sizes should I cut my tiles? Thanks
in order to cut the tile at a 25% OFFSET measure the tile to the exact half point and then measure that half and another half.write down measurements and that your 25% offset
Dtileandremodeling Thank you
Dre07 9 inches
Donnie? Great video. Really like the way you do the video and then edit your talking points over the video. So much easier and nicer to follow along. Couple questions. I used that leveling system in a small bathroom. I was also using spacers. I had so much trouble with it all. Seems like you have to push the wedge in hard to get the level and then I was not sure. OK, I will try again. Does that thinset come already premixed? If so, name of it? Are you using spacers? How does one transistion this tile to a thicker marble tile on floor. One part is to be marble...then come to a line that will start the planks, which are thinner. I want them to be flush? Your video gives me an idea of just how much thinset goes into one of these projects at 1/2 inch thinset notch. A lot of thinset. If you mixed that bucket yourself...how much time do you have before it sets up on you?
Paul
Thanks!
When using a system like this you want to used a 1/2x1/2 trowel that way you have enough thinnest to get the clip under the tile and not have the tile bottom out.
Yes you can use spacers too but you don't have to.
Yes you want to use the clip gun to tighten them down.Get them tight as you can without breaking the base,you have to get a feel for it.
And if you are have a lot of trouble getting the wedges in then you have to make sure the substrate is flat before you start..These system only help with about 1/16-1/8 max of lippage tuning.Keep that in mind
Don't ever use pre-mixed thinnest
I used Laticrete 4XLT for this job.
PaulHH, the spacers are the levelling system as well
What size spacers are you using???
using Ramondi leveling system the red 1/8" clips
Hello what is the tool called that you are using to click to put the tiles together?
Its Ramondi tile leveling system.It has clip and wedges to align the tiles
Hey Kevin we need to find
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I want to save a few bucks and cut these with a 10 inch wet saw with a 24 inch rip do you believe i can achieve that? Thanks.
tj joe yeah you can just ride the cut till you can’t any more then flip it. Or use a grinder and wet sponge. Or let the tile over hang the trey and just keep sliding it down till the tile fits on the tray and cut the rest
do you have to use membranes in kitchens & bathrooms?
IMO yes
Dtileandremodeling Okay my aunt wants Wood look proclien tile whole house say we get mebranes for just bathroom and kitchen The rest of the floor would it be. even or would the kitchen and bathroom riseup a bit A Contactor had told me instead of membrane mat you can use a Thinset One called FlexBond but doesnt that have movement which equals to crack tile , &Then he said to use red Guard Crack preventation liquidation Then once it drys the apply Thin set and tile
Only time you can tile directly to plywood if there is 2 layers with a total thickness of 1 1/4"..Otherwise you to use a uncoupling membrane at 1/8" or cement board at 1/4" which i don't recommend
How do find the centercenter line for the chalking line my living room is connected with the kitchen its 1000 sft in total
I'm confused on how you say to cut the tile. At 30seconds in you say to cut the tile in half and then cut that half in half. That won't give me 25% offset will it? First timer going to be laying 6x36 tile soon.
OK.Here is what you do.
take a full tile and measure it to find the length and divide it.Mark the center and cut it.Now take the one half piece and measure the total length of that piece,divide it.
Now take another full tile and take the last measure and mark that on the tile and cut it.That will give you the stagger of 25% offset.
S Boyle 6X36 tiles with 1/3 offset = 12 inches. Easy.
Great video!!!! I love tile planks. clip and wedge system only works keeping nice and flat our joints installation. Plumb and level are part of the prep and just small adjustments on those topics are allowed during setting of tiles per se. What's your thought about to do the back buttered same direction as you combed the thinset on the floor? Thx.
If you are back notching a tile then you should comb it in the opposite direction of the notches on the floor
As far as notching the back of the tile it depends.On a tile in this video 6x36 its not necessary..1/2x1/2 notch give you enough to get good coverage and slight ajustment..So making sure the substrate is flat as possible really helps.
It doesn't hurt to back notch but there is no need for this tile (6x36)
Now if you are installing a big square tile then yes those are harder to get flat so back notching will help with coverage and ajustment..
But the most important thing with installing large tile is the flatness of the substrate..
Also the consistency of the mortar will affect the coverage aswell.
Check out our instagram page.We installed 24x24 tile with a 1/2x3/4 notch trowel and good 100% coverage,but we also made sure the substrate was dead flat!
No not the opposite! That will leave air pockets,creating a cross hatch,collapsing the ridges will give you the best coverage you can get!
I havent seen that happen once and all the guys i know when back notching a tile do it the opposite way. I have lifted tile and can tell you that as long as the tile is set properly there is no cross hatch that i have ever seen. If you have thats news to me. If you are simplly placing the tile and giving it a slap then you will have voids when back notching no matter which way you spread it.
Back-buttering in the opposite direction has never been and will never be the proper way to install. Maybe the the guys you know do it, but their work is inferior in durability. It's physics, not personal taste. The purpose in having ridges is to ensure the least amount of air cavities under the tile by allowing air to escape though the grooves and outside the tile as the tile is pushed/pulled into place. The push/pull collapses the ridges, the air flows through the grooves and out the sides, and all is well. Cross-hatching back notches creates the same effect as combing thinset in circles or in random angles. It creates air chambers that trap the air. It's impossible to completely collapse most of the ridges since they have no ducts leading outside the tile for the air to escape, and the finished product will be far less resistant to lifting and cracking over time and with use.
I noticed you wait a bit to use the clamping tool on the wedges. Does that allow the thinset to set up a bit around the spacers? Unless you do 1 row per day ie. fully dry, I'd be worried about the tiles lifting from the thinset as they're being pulled in line. Any concern for that? It appears while using the tool you're pushing down a bit on the tile to compensate, perhaps without giving it much thought. Thanks.
No need to worrie about the system pulling the tile up.They push the Tile down.With most thinkers you have 30-45min to make ajustments.So asking as you clamp the wedges down in that time frame you are fine
Do you use slow or fast set
This project I used laticrete 253 and Laticrete 4xlt
@@Dtileandremodeling not familiar with that product
lm sure the air run better in short directions!! and never mud tile in cross with floor mud!
ulises ponce aguirre you are correct it does.
Main objective is to trowel in one direction
Hey bro soon im installing my tile its 8 ×36 porcelain plank on the back tells me install them 33% stagger .... How many inches is that stagger from each other?
I did a 50% stagger on 24 length tile which is 12 inches but what about 33%
You can install with the 33% offset by that would the max.That I like to install them with no more than a 25% offset
With a 50% offset you are asking for problems.
Any tile over 16” inches you should install more than a 33% offset
Dtileandremodeling yessire but whats a 33% on measuring tape on 36 inch length tile
Josh Garcia measure the exact length of the tile and divide it by 3.
Ramdon pattern
I have a 67 inch plank can I follow same rules on this big plank? I cut it in half which gives me 33.5 inch on that half. Then half of 33.5 is 16.75. Then I cut 16.75 inch from the 67 plank which gives me the 25 percent off. Am I correct? So I’ll have 67 plank then 50.25 plank then the 33.5 plank and 16.75 as the small one. That gives me a stagger look.
Yes you are correct. Remember tho, thats the cuts to start with on a wall. Write down the measurements for the 25% offset if you need to go around walls and so on.
@@Dtileandremodeling awesome! Thank you. I’m doing my entire kitchen before they put the kitchen cabinets. It’s a square room. It’s only 15 x 13 room so I should be ok.
Do you prefer the Raimondi's over T-lock?
I haven't had the chance to try t-lock so I can not say.
LevTec is another good one. Raimondi and LevTec wedges work with either brand of spacers. I find the Raimondi tend to break more than the LevTec. The plastic seems harder and more brittle.
What did you mean by you cut the tiles in half and then again that half tile in half? Is doesn’t match what on the floor
Dan Rocha in order to get a 25% offset.cut a tile in half and then measure a half and the half measurement of that tile It your other cut.
Full tile,3/4,1/2,1/4 Tile
And you repeat that pattern
Make sense?
KeeP .ReeLing I’m really trying to make sense but looking at the pattern that’s you’re doing on the second row the second piece left to right isn’t a full piece not a half piece so m confused as hell
KeeP .ReeLing also you do the pattern and then any tiles following the pattern are full pieces right
Dan Rocha yes correct
What is the reason for beginning the tile-laying in the middle of the floor and then working towards the wall? Why not just start with the wall side?
Liz Joy don’t understand what you mean.We start from one side and work to the other.4 rows of the plank tile at a time.
Because you dont how its work
@@KeePReeLing I think I was confused because at 0:23 it looks like he started in the middle, not on the wall. He skips the entire first part, so I couldn't tell where he started.
Im using woodprix instructions to make it and I do it already :)
What is that tool you use at 8:15? Thanks.
thats the tool used to clamp down the wedges
What sized trowel would you use on 6 x 24 wood plank tile laid on 1/2 inch Hardie backer board?
Hello,I don't reccomend using hardie board,it is very very thirsty, make sure to wipe is don multiple time before applying thinnest.
For that size tile I recommend a 1/2'x1/2'x1/2' square notch trowel.
whats most important is that the substrate is flat!
Thank you.
What would you recommend instead of hardie board?
What size are your grout lines?
Chad Wade looks like half inch
"1/2???? Dam your eye balling is way off. It's "1/8 red clips are "1/8 and clear clips are "1/16
Should avoid that ‘stair step’ look you were doing in the bathroom😉.
Question- I have this installer saying he can unbow plank tile with that system your using. Any truth to that?
Jason Kellogg Hello Jason.Yes you can get the bow out of planks esp. with the 36” and 48” that are 6” wide.
Yes break the lines in the thinset get all the air out and it will form a suction. Then you will be able to level the tile if it is bent like rainbows. Then Tighten the clips
Well if u do the thinset line opposite direction the air would release easy. The way you did it long ways with length of tile the air gets trapped now. Nice try though
Ryan treacy yes the ridges will collapse easier when combed the short way.Main objective os to comb in one direction.I push down pretty hard and I keep my thin set on the lose side for floors.
Ryan treacy just bull shit theory
Professor Kaos: Slapping a tile doesn't set it correctly,I will have to disagree with you.Watch the trowel and error video on youtube.
Hey dude, you combed the thin-set grooves in the wrong direction. You're supposed to go perpendicular to the tiles, not parallel.
Yes you are correct. At the time they taught use to trowel in one direction mainly. I learned later on that one direction and the short way of the tile.
Even if you offset them by 33% there is still a chance of lipage. If your subfloor is badly laid and it’s not flat or is crowned in the middle it causes even more problems. The tiles are flawed and always problematic.
Random paterne as hardwood floor
How many sq/ft per day can you install?
Scott Ritchie hard to say.Really depends on substrate flatness,tile type size and pattern.Open areas completely by myself between 150-250
Dtileandremodeling 6x36. The substrate we have should’ve been leveled. Me and a helper are only getting 100 sf/day. Have to put like 1/2” of Thinset in some areas. One area was nice and flat and we got 40 sf in one hour with the 3/4” u notch trowel.
Scott Ritchie I hear you.You always need to check the substrate for flatness.The floor in this video I had to screed a area to get it flare before stratamat.
A lot easier to prep the substrate then lifting every tile and building.Plus a lot more chance of voids when building.
I hope your are using a LHT mortar esp. if you are building up 1/2”
Dtileandremodeling 1500 sf is a lot of leveling. Need a 10 gal bucket. Didn’t have much luck last time we tried to level a large area. Small areas no problem. Have to keep a wet edge.
The way we build up, we have 100% coverage. I know because a few tiles chipped and had to be replaced lol.
Scott Ritchie I understand.But doesn’t matter the size.The prep is the same.I use ARDEX mixing kit.Its a big barrel with other items needed.
Watch my other video on substrate prep
Break up your stagger , you got it stair stepped all the way through the floor.
Thats what I wanted to do.
S boyle
OK.Here is what you do.
take a full tile and measure it to find the length and divide it.Mark the center and cut it.Now take the one half piece and measure the total length of that piece,divide it.
Now take another full tile and take the last measure and mark that on the tile and cut it.That will give you the stagger of 25% offset.
Dtileandremodeling you never cut large format tile by cutting in half 25% is the maximum cutoff on any tile floor or wall.
Dtileandremodeling no randorm pattern
Anyone that thinks you don't know what you're doing is crazy.
Aaron Gresham thank you! Some people love to hate
Notches should be perpendicular shortest side of the tile. If this is my house, u r ripping it up and starting over 😂😂😂😂😂
ghost notes yes you are correct.At the time of this video that wasn’t rule of thumb,but just in one direction.And still most important to trowel in one direction
Nice install technique,I’d much rather hear the scratching of your trowel than that horrible music playing in the background!
Hahhahaha he never going to finish with the clips
Something bothers me about you using those long tiles on the shower floor, How can you get a proper building code-approved slope to the drain when it is essentially flat all around the drain because of these long flat tiles? This is why we normally use tiles no longer than 4" on the shower floor, because that is the max size that will still follow a gently curving/slanted proper slope of 1/4" per foot from the wall down to the drain.
Thats not a shower floor. Its just the bathroom floor. What youre seeing is the toilet flange.
good, i feel much better about it now. Carry on!
You spend alot time whit that sistem its,twice of the time ineccesary.
Yes it take little more time,But the effort is paid out in a perfectly flat lip free install
Dtileandremodeling yea I understand no everyody has the skills to do perfect job whit out the sistem
@@AngelAngel-xf9bs actually the leveling system saves time... so your wrong..
@@AngelAngel-xf9bs plus he installing a 6x36 plank tile ...you almost need a leveling system to get them plank this long flat...u dont kno wat your talkin about..smh
Wrong layout supose to ramdon as real hardwood
Wa wa wa wa wait...how do you talk without moving your lips?
If you use clips your not a real installer
Yes, just like if a framing carpenter uses a circular saw instead of a handsaw he is not a "real" carpenter. I bet that's what "real" carpenters said about technological advancement in the 1930s when they started getting left in the sawdust by tradesmen utilizing technology to produce the same quality work in a fraction of the time.
Hey jackass I'm not talking carpenters. If You use clips , you lift the tile from the mortar creating void and hollow tiles!
You sound like a jackass with an anger problem.
Ryan Compton the tiles are back buttered to prevent this . This is basic 101 Tiling which you clearly know nothing about. Clips and such are being used industry wide
I bet they said the same thing about nail guns, too.