Ford Broke Down, RV STRANDED! Now WHAT TO DO? Ep 4.39
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- Ford Broke Down, RV STRANDED! Now WHAT TO DO? Why my Ford F450 Broke Down. Ep 4.39
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You have a good attitude and a lot more patience than I would have! Well done and good luck.
Thanks
You have way more patience than I would have had. Omg all those cancelled tow trucks that is crazy. Best of luck for your repair I hope they can get you back on the road real quick.
Thanks 👍
In 2000 I helped my Dad move back to Louisiana from Oregon, he bought a Ford dually truck with NO turbo. He had a 39ft fifth wheel, we had a horrible slow time in California getting over mountain passes. When we got to Bakersfield his truck ran out of engine power it would not go up the interstate incline. Called tow truck company they pulled my Dad's truck, 39ft fifth wheel connected all together with a small Pickup tow truck with no problem up the hill and to a campground. I couldn't believe that little tow truck had no problem pulling 20,000 lb.truck and trailer . IT CAN BE DONE. Oh I forgot, we spent 11 days on the road from Oregon to Louisiana, had all kinds of troubles, flat tires, buy new tires for the trailer I was pulling with my Dad's old Lincoln, spent 4 days in Bakersfield transferring hitch from old truck to the NEW Dodge duel wheel PU that he had to buy in order to get home, the moral of this story is, DON'T BUY A OLD FORD TRUCK W/O TURBO.
What was the truck that pulled all of it??
I have no idea, I just know it was a small wrecker the size of a regular pu.
Hate this happened on top of everything else you guys are going through with the RV issues! I hope you get good news Monday.
Me too, crossing fingers
Your video makes me think of looking into and possibly upgrading my towing package to make sure I can get out of predicaments like this. I have a F450 as well and big trucks need big tows. You have a good attitude about it all and that is great: Good luck. : )
Yes, I had know idea the F450 could not be towed by a normal tow truck. Need an extra large flatbed... Things that just aren't common knowledge when you buy one of these awesome trucks.
Wow! Double trouble! Sorry to see this on top of the Grand Design issues!!! Glad you are fairly close to help.....repair shops can be hard to find!
Good to have friends in the area...
Even non-operational, that is one good lookin’ truck! Life happens. Good luck brother.👍🏼😎
Yes it is, thank you... Wish didn't break down
You need to sign up with AAA. They will take both of them a couple hundred miles if you need them to. If it wasn't for them. I would be screwed. Lived in Colorado. Broke down in the mountain. They came and got us and took my truck and 5th wheel about 50 miles east of Denver to my house. No questions asked.
Thanks, I'll look into that
I also have AAA and I can get 4 tows a year, 3 tows up to 100 miles and 1 tow up to 200 miles.
I was traveling north from Silverton, Colorado coming down out of the mountains to Ouray, Colorado and the brake pedal went to the floor. That was an exciting ride. Stayed overnight in Ouray. Had the truck fixed the next day, and then continued the trip. You have to adapt to the challenges and not let impromptu changes to your plans upset you.
You are so right, I hope I show that attitude on my videos?
You are SERIOUSLY are the most calm person! My husband would be losing his mind! Seriously reconsidering our plan to full time RV in a couple years lol @@MyBucketListDay
Thanks, yes I hear this from a lot of people. I just said to myself a long time ago to not sweat the little shit and stay calm. When one stays calm they can find the solution much quicker and realize in the grand scope of life, it's just another speed bump... I only worry about my loved ones and my health. The rest, just all the little stuff! @@twincreek69
Hope for the best. What year is your truck and mileage? Did you buy new? If it is a CP4, check out S&S DCR pump replacement. Also, recommend all 6.7 owners never run their tanks low on fuel. I believe there is evidence intermittent fuel availability is hard on CP4 pumps. Use a cetane booster like Archoil 6500. Good luck.
its a 2020 and has 55420 miles. Just got the call the entire fuel systems needs to be replaced. $17k, covered under warranty, so that's a relief.
@@MyBucketListDaynow the wait for the parts. I’ve heard horror stories on the wait time. Hopefully you beat the odds.
How can a fuel system cost $17K? Do you have extended warranty? 2020 I bet its a Plandemic truck. It was sitting at the Kentucky motor speedway for a year.@@MyBucketListDay
S&S dcr pump as soon as possible. I have a 2020 6.7 and my pump has been changed out. It's nice. Also recommend a banks idash so you can monitor fuel rail pressure and an alert for regen. Best of luck to you. If you check with arod of powerstroke tech talk on you tube they have a network of installers.
@@richpuller1348 C-P4 pump blows the fvck up and sends shrapnel to every single part of the fuel system. Every line, hose, injector, steel lines, plastic lines, every stinking part of the fuel system. And at dealer rates of approximately 180.00 bucks an hour. Cab comes off, tank comes out. Most times the failures are 10-12K. Warranty does not pay the mechanics very well so there will always be extras.
Here's the thing about tow trucks You didn't get a tow truck You got a flatbed there's a complete difference in trucks. Next time you deal with Geico tell them to send out a one ton or larger tow truck not a flatbed and that would have solved your problem. I'm getting so tired when you call for something you get a completely different response. A tow truck is a tow truck and a flatbed is a truck that hauls another vehicle, there's no way you can tell me in the location you were at there was not one single co-operator there that didn't have a truck that could come hook up to your axle and pull your truck away I don't believe that. Geico just was looking for the cheapest way. Just thinking outside the box but why didn't Geico call the Ford dealership to start with I would imagine they may have had a tow truck themselves, at least the Ford dealers in my local area have their own tow trucks I don't know if that's common or not.
I agree, they only stick to their contracted tow companies
Sorry to hear your troubles, again! In case you're looking, Good sam just towed my31' class c from Savanna ga to Florence sc 183 miles, no charge, they would have brought me home to fl so you might want to check them out
Wow I do need to look into them for towing.
Sorry for ur troubles; we went through a really tough time with our Denali……luckily it was still under warranty so it paid most of the very large bill! $10,000. They paid all but $1500.00 It took a month for completion. Quite a nightmare……..good luck!
Wow, well they told me it was 100% covered. I hope they are not BS-ing me.
Good to hear you’re getting it covered under warranty. Coverage for these failures seem to be hit or miss with ford dealers, with many of them blaming it on bad fuel (with no evidence). Pretty sorry considering how well known this issue is.
Fortunately I went to t good dealer, Palm Bay Ford
Did you NOT watch Taylor ray's videos n troubles with his ford???
No, but I will now...
with the semi I had when one of the pumps goes out it won't be long before the other one will go out, I love my old diesel engine it's got just one pump and the fuel is gravity fed, and the last I knew the low-pressure pump pushes the fuel to the high-pressure pump.
Just got the call taht the entire fuel system needs to be replaced, What a shit storm
I hate newer vehicles, our newest one is a 2010 mercury mariner with like 82,000 miles and the last two years has been repair after repair, our 1999 dodge ram has 200,000 miles on it, and other than normal maintenance I haven't had any repairs. good luck in the future. @@MyBucketListDay
Best of luck. I hope you don't have the high pressure pump failure. Doesn't happen often, but when they do, it's unfortunately expensive.
They just called and said the entire fuel system needs to be replaced, $17k. I am covered under warranty so that is a relief.
that's exactly what I was thinking! difference in pressure can cause line compression lol & it's like trying to drink a thick shake through a thin straw, causing the pump to overheat! a similar issue is altitude, air temp, engine choking due to lack of pressure/ oxy AT THE RIGHT TEMP for the oxy molecules to be compatible at that temp because we added a hose from the warm outgoing into the air filter & ! perfect start & power after a minor adjustment to a tiny screw /spring of the carbs air intake .lol on my honeymoon trip 3000miles, Cali to Norfolk VAto get hubby on base in time! we didn't. lol
My question is this; if Grand Designs liabilty insurance carrier knew that Grand Design was allowing this rig to be on the road " what would they say"???? I worked for range mfg and when our Legal Dept. learned of a particular problem we were having with one model " we were ordered to stop shipping, find every unit sold ( buy back if we could not fix it) and get to WORK and fix the problem!!!! Very honorable. I was the Service Manager so I apprecited the support!!! Engineering got off their perch and got to it!!!!
That would be nice if all companies did that...
@MyBucketListDay Yes, it would! It was back at the end of the 80-s thru 2000! I am grateful for that experience! Not happy about the standards of the rv industry. They govern themselves, and they act like they are untouchable
70 mph on I-95? I barely do 60-65 at the most.
Hopefully it gets repaired, there was a parts shortage before the uaw strike, it's really bad now. good luck.
Aw damn, why did you have to tell me that. I'm staying positive.
Highly advise using a a third party Roadside service like GoodSams or AAA versus using your insurance company Roadside offerings. The Insurance company report your RoadSide Calls on your C.L.U.E. (Insurance) report as a claim, and you probably just got two strikes reported for this incident. They say they don't, but they absolutely do use those C.L.U.E reports when reviewing rates and eligibility. Folks have gotten cancelled/higher premiums for Insurance Roadside Assistance claims. Just an FYI.
Thats great information. I never knew this...
You have a good attitude and good luck.
Thanks
Geoff, what city were you in. We are north of Ocala and I would have come out to rescue you guys. I already did a rescue for @OurRoadLessTraveled a while back. Next stops for us will be Wildwood, TTO, and then Tampa of course. -Pete West
I appreciate that, we are in Palm Bay right now. We were supposed to be in TTO right now.
Saw where you said the fuel pump went out. I don’t know why Ford stayed with the CP4 pump. GM tried it and got burnt and then Ram got a case of the stupids and got burnt and went back to the CP3. But Ford it just stubborn I guess. ‘Damn the torpedoes”
Yes, until yesterday, I had know idea this was an issue with Fords and the others. Big problem!
CP-3 does not fit in the valley of the 6.7
Dang such luck you have been having. It's been a whirlwind of a week here at TTO. Two RVs have caught on fire and are totaled. One of them 3 dogs died due to the smoke.. And the other one no one was at home. We just never know what is going to happen next. Both RVs were fairly new. One a Class A and the other a Toy Hauler fifth wheel.
Holly crap, thats huge disaster, Poor dogs and owners. We will hopefully be there this evening.
Geoff I am in Florida. If our paths ever cross I hope you will let me buy you a few beers ...!!!!!! OMG
Your on, just let me know when?
Looks like you broke down by 528 on interstate 95? My guess is the fuel pick up screen in the bottom of the fuel tank is clogged. Just takes a small amount of goop to plug the screen.
Might be, we still don't know. Waiting for the techs to run the diagnostics tomorrow.
This is why I bought one of the last 18 Rams , i was nervous about the CP4 , so many of my friends newer Ram of done this same thing, one had 3 horses in the trailer, it could always be worse
Yes I caught the CP4 problem
Very dangerous on side of highway. I would definatly move away from rig while waiting. Thats a beautiful ford dually.
Thanks
Very common issue with the newer fords, really terrible corporate decisions on the part of ford.
I'm starting to agree with this statement
When I travel I always keep my fresh water at 1/3 for unforeseen issues.
Yes, I usually do as well, but with the broken frame issues I've been having, I have emptied my tanks to keep the weight off.
Sorry for your troubles How many miles are on your truck? Hope its covered under warranty
55420 miles, and yes covered under warranty
The towing industry has no idea how to handle a HD diesel pickup truck. You were lucky to find someone who could tow your 5er.
Yes, I was lucky...
Great warranty covers the CP4 & Fuel system replacement. Brief history, All 3 (Ford, Ram, GM) ran the CP4, all had CP4 failures; when problems developed and Identified with CP4; Ram & GM went back to CP3 because the engine block hadn’t changed. The Ford new 6.7 design with exhaust inside valley and smaller fuel pump sizing into new design didn’t have room to revert back to the larger previous generation CP3. That’s basically why Ford retained the CP4… designed around a smaller injector pump with no way to revert to CP3.
With failures becomming common, S&S brought out a "Disaster Prevention Kit" that prevented full fuel system failure; isolated failure to Fuel Pump only… highly suggest installing this low cost kit if running the CP4. Recently, S&S introduced a replacement Pump for the CP4 that completely removes the CP4 Fuel Pump failure called DCR Pump Conversion. It removes the Bosch CP4 pump and replaces with a Stanadyne DCR Pump providing an exact fit replacement within the 6.7 valley.
My question is "Why Ford hasn’t dropped the Bosch CP4" and began using the S&S Stanadyne DCR pump on new 2024 models and on these warranty repairs of the CP4. Now that there is a great solution to replace the CP4 without any other modifications to the 6.7, that’s the biggest quality question. It wasn’t just a Ford problem, all 3 Brands have / had the CP4 failure, but only remains with the Ford 6.7; The Ram & GM method of CP4 repair is to revert back to CP3 and stopped using CP4 in new Trucks.
I’d like to see Ford offer a S&S DCR replacement option in their warranty repairs, even if Customer has to pay for the DCR pump, I’d happily pay the $2000 for the DCR to be included in the warranty, have Ford cover the $13k fuel system and I’d pay for the DCR pump as CP4 replacement. You might check with Ford Dealer, I do know that Ford Dealers have installed the S&S DCR pump at Customers cost.
This is great information, I will ask the dealer today about all this. Thanks for the comments!
Gm uses a denso fuel pump
@@jeffs2809 Yep, my typo… GM used the CP4 and moved to the Denso, Ram moved back to CP3. My point was that all 3 used the CP4, GM & Ram were able to move off, but Ford couldn’t move off the CP4 due to new 6.7 block design for small format Pump. For reference: GM discontinued CP4 in 2016 and lawsuits still pending in 7 States.
If it's not under warranty your looking at $10,000 to fix it . This has been a big problem for ford .
Thank goodness it was under warranty. Yes a big bill
there are a large number of fifth wheel used rv on the market that are hard for dealers to get rid of because of all the problems with them . to big to heavy need a big tow vehicle to move them . if you want a quality rv look into living vehicle well worth the price and they can help set up your tow vehicle to do the job safely good luck with that heavy monster with all the frame flex no matter what the maker has to say or want to call it
Thanks
Well that is misfortunate , just bought a 2023 ford F350 with 6.7L, what is the year and mileage on the truck ? curious to see what was the problem, so I can be prepared if it happens to me travelling to Florida this winter. Hope it's a quick fix, all the best.
Its a 2020 and 55420 miles. Stay tuned on the issue.
If you didn't have bad luck you would have no luck at all. Best of luck and safe travels
Right, thanks
Sorry that this happened, I drove by south bound. How come you didn't go to Ron Norris ford that was closer?
Because the place I was having my Rig towed to a friends house, and wanted a Ford dealer close to his house.
Just makes you wan to get on your bike and go fishing . Good luck young man been there done that.never again. Happy Trails
Thanks, you too!
Good luck to you. It's tough when there's break downs on the road. I spent 9 unscheduled day in Lexington KY with a repair to a Chevy. Dont ever go to Chevy dealer there is all Im going to say. I know yours is a ford saying that for others.
Sorry to hear that, I hope I'm not stuck that long.
U can rent f450, or dodge trks from enterprise if ya need a trk.
I didn't know that, I'll look into that.
I'm going with bosch cp4 pump failure.
Could be! I'll know in a few hours
There is finally an aftermarket pump available that solves this problem. If you are going to hold on to the truck long-term.
My guess high pressure injector pump, super common on 450, seen number other UA-camrs with 450 hit with it. Some ridiculous amount of money
Hopefully only a sensor
A Banks Idash would have told you exactly what the problem was immediately. Look into it, I promise you will love it.
I agree, I need to invest in one
@@MyBucketListDay I think Banks has them on sale right now. But there are a few to choose from, you need the stand alone model. You will also need a mount, I love the A-pillar mount because it’s the cleanest but the single suction mount is great and works well. Since I have a 2023 F350 there is no A-pillar mount for it available yet. I bought 2 Idashs with the dual windshield mount and it works great. I have one that is completely dedicated to my def concentration, regen status and regen trigger and EGT. The other is command HP, commanded torque and pedal monster (yea I got that also and it’s incredible, NO MORE turbo lag AT ALL). Looking forward to see what you do, if you need any help please feel free to reach out. I am retired, bored and have nothing to do at all.
You need read about forscan, anyone with a Ford, it's a must, lic fee $50, OBD dongle $50, you can do anything with it, its going be way more complicated than you need, but you can learn from other videos posted here, and you can keep it simple for gauges or just scanning, works best on computer, but they do have app, check them out, i would say they certainly don't charge enough for what they have, but that shouldn't hurt any consumers feelings! Good luck
Your towing fiasco due to struggling to get someone to even tow the truck and of course the trailer is another matter although simple in the sense of just needing a pickup with a king pin to tow it. My brother has an older Ford dually ( the lovely 6 liter ) and he has a full sized slide in camper on his unit, that presents some real problems at times to tow it as it requires a tandem axle tow truck with a very long deck and even then he has to unbolt the step on rear of the camper as it would hit the ground and self destruct it and the camper, also height restrictions become an issue with a tall camper on top of a deck truck as it won't fit under low over passes or through some tunnels. His ford has been on the back of a tow truck too many times it seems and he would know your pain of trying to get someone to tow it !. On an entirely different note, that photo you have up at the top of your channel webpage, that looks awfully familiar as in the far end of Maligne Lake at Spirit Island in Jasper NP, am I right ?
Yes, you are correct...
Ah the dreaded CP-4 pump failure. Add in the S&S disaster preventiin kit!!!
They have a pump upgrade, but warranty won’t pay for non OEM parts.
Yes, I know, waiting until warranty expires
@@MyBucketListDay You can add that S&S disaster prevention kit any time. No warranty issues!
Now I know why I stay at the Marriott
But then you miss all this adventure!
What year is your truck and what is your current mileage ?
2020 and 55,420 miles
You better get used to these issues owning a Ford
Yes, I see that it is a common problem
So what ended up being the problem. I see you’re in Florida. We’re down in vero beach if you need anything
Fuel system blew itself up. But all covered under warranty, $15k for repairs
@@MyBucketListDay glad to hear it was covered. I have a 2022 350. Hoping mine doesn’t ever go
Sorry for your misfortunes. Is Ford going to cover the CP4 fuel pump under warranty?
Yep, all of it
Rule number one, always use Archoil, at every fuel up.
I have heard this and wanting to learn more, because the mechanic said not to use additives.
Need triangles for safety
Agree, I added them to my christmas list. Along with new wireless mics
Good Sam roadside
Several have said that
Had to have my various Wanderlodges towed 3 times in 20 years. Paid cash and never waited more than two hours. Semi-tow trucks. Just saying.
Well I have learned my lesson. Hire a tow truck and get insurance to reimburse.
You are a Saint for your forbearance. I bet you will never run down the road with an empty water tank any time soon.
Thanks, I consider it one of my good character traits...
Engine knock sensor is my guess.
Could be right, I just don't know at this point.
not on a diesel
Geoff, I’m hoping that your CP4 high pressure pump didn’t go out. If it did your engine is probably toast. I’m finding out it’s a known issue but Ford (and some other brands who use that pump), aren’t doing anything about it that I can find. I’m going to be proactive and replace mine before it kills my engine. I’ll be waiting to hear what it is. I’m sorry you’re going through so much bad luck.
You are correct, its the CP4 pump. As to destroying the engine, they said everything else was great. Should I trust that?
If your CP4 went, you may want to look into installing an aftermarket pump that won’t have a catastrophic failure like your current CP4 did. PTT did a video on one that is a direct replacement. You likely got bad fuel (water in fuel) … cost is $10K-$11K if they end up replacing complete fuel system. Sorry to hear - I have the same 6.7L diesel engine - the CP4 is its Achilles…
A CP4 grenading will not destroy your engine. The dealership is correct.
@@MyBucketListDay Your engine is fine. All your fuel components from the fuel tank to the injectors will need replacement. It’s very pricey repair with the CP4 grenade.
I’m gonna take a stab at it and say the CP4 gave up and low rail pressure shut it down.
Yep, thats it
Just have love the dependability of ford😂.
Other than this, all has been great...
Guy shows up to tow RV looks like he has dropped more than 1 fifth wheel on his truck. Kind of sketchy. And to charge that much?????
In an F250 too. Talk about overloaded.....
Drop everything and go move and rv on a highway? Have insurance and the risk of getting killed? Maybe you could do it for the poor guy!
I would have done it for free go fo
Wasn't complaining just fact your probably a ripoff artist too go fo
Yes, that made me nervous, I even commented on that to him.
Are you out of DEF ?
No DEF is ¾ full
Insurance company towing is worthless. They dont like paying their bills. We had a towing company and would never work for clubs or insurance companies. Somebody called private we sent equipment out asap and charged the legal state rate.
Call local or call local police for advise on the best equipped towers in the area.
Your right, towing with insurance companies is a joke.
If that truck has a CP4 HPFP, RIP.
It does and its being replaced under warranty...
@@MyBucketListDayman, good deal then. those CP4's are just trash. glad warranty covered all that.
Ford, Dodge and Chevy they all will leave you stranded and that's the honest truth!
True that
Keep buying them hi dollar diesels I went back to gas
Well I'll stick to the diesels for towing heavy
What a bad day!
Not a fun RV day.
Maybe should have called a mobile service
Turns out that would have not worked as the Ford dealer found the entire fuel system needs to be replaced because the fuel pump failed and destroyed the entire system.
Really didn't want to "thumbs up" this one. That sucks.
Yes, this sucks
CP4 most likely...slim chance DEF issue 😢
I think its the low pressure sensor, but I will know in a few hours...
@MyBucketListDay We can all pray for you it's that. am still believing it's the High Pressure pump..CP4=$10K in parts and repairs.
All these trucks should be running a s&s disaster prevention kit, most of my customers don't want spend money for the swap but there are options out there...
Likely CP4
What is that?
It is the high pressure pump on the motor. I replaced mine with a DCR conversion from S&S diesel before it failed. It can run 10 to 12 grand to replace the pump and injectors. @@MyBucketListDay
@@MyBucketListDay Unfortunately, the Powerstrokes are known for grenading the CP4 pumps without warning. Installing either a disaster prevention bypass kit or the DCR pump conversion are the sure-fire means of preventing this wildcard. I surely hope this is not the issue. PS - I have a 2022 F450 as well. *fingers crossed*
@@lifeofftherails8945 I am wondering the same thing, hopefully its not and is the electric supply pump or some sensor that crapped out. I would imagine this coming week he will get the scoop on what is wrong.
@@MyBucketListDay If it is cp4 granading, it will be an expensive fix. it takes out the whole fuel system.
look into a disaster prevention kit after repairs,
The joys of owning a Computer Controlled Truck.
Yep, so much fun...
Coachnet
Thanks
I've hauled campers all over and found Ford was the worst gm was better but dodge was the best
LOL, All the opinions on which is better is all over the place. Its like whats the favorite ice cream
Found On Road Dead = FORD
LOL, yes, heard that one before
You spelled Bosch wrong.
Yup USA is over 😂
Can’t even build a brand truck to Last !!! Haven’t seen this problem in a 3rd world
Yea, this is the same fuel pump Dodge and Chevy used to use, but they changed back to the CP3 and ford is stuck with the CP4 due to the engine block design. Ford needs to do something!
so sorry that happened, never tow with Ford , stick to dodge
Love my F450, Dodge is a great truck though...
Found on road dead Ford 😢
LOL, heard that alot
@@MyBucketListDay fix or repair daily Ford
Please give yourself a laugh and watch the latest Southpark movie you will love it....the richest people in the world are the handyman who can fix all the rich spoiled peoples stuff...hilarious
Thanks, I'll look into that one...
Ford = waiting for wrecker
Buy a Ram problem solved 😊
I love the Ram but my F450 out performs it in almost every way...
@@MyBucketListDay i agree the ford does look better on a wrecker😅🤣
Plus I own a machine shop and know the serious weaknesses on the 6.7
Not just injection pump failures .. but oiling failures that eventually will
Stop you .. I have 7 engines to rebuild all 6.7s 5 are oiling failures
Good luck
Let me guess its a ford
Ha Ha
Cp4
Thanks
@@MyBucketListDay hopefully I'm wrong but sure sounds like it. Hopefully you got warranty if not anywhere from 9 to 13 thousand dollar fix unfortunately
Buy another ford
LOL, nope, fix this one.
Don’t buy a Ford next time.
Well Ford did take care of it all
I can’t trust ford
Well the dealer did Ford right, They fixed it all.
Ford Gm making junk
Yes, this is a common issue, not good...
Who the 'bleep' cares?
Should you not tend to your breakdowns vs. the propensity for attention?
Sharing experiences, ideas and tips & tricks is what this channel does, If you not happy with the content, you can simply not watch..
I purchased a fifth wheel camper and the exact same truck this man has, about the same time as he started this channel. He has been a wealth of information. If it wasn’t for him, I would’ve made some very costly mistakes….. so, I care!!!
LMFAO. Why would anyone buy a Ford?
Because they are awesome. The CP4 fuel pump was used by Chevy and Dodge as well but they switched away from that in 2023 back to the CP3 pump due to all the failures, Ford has not done this because the 6.7 doesn't have the room for the CP3 in the valley. However there is apparently an aftermarket fix that can be installed that prevents this failure. I'm exploring that as a permanent fix for the 6.7, just seeing if Ford will approve this under the warranty...