Something the Orville did better than any other Trek show (Yes, the Orville is a Trek show - it's earned that right) is astropolitics. Between the Moclans, the Kaylon, and the Krill, I was constantly at the edge of my seat, trying to figure out who was going to end up allied with whom, and I fell for the red herring and got the full level of enjoyment out of the surprise every time.
I loved how far they went flipping the status quo on it's head by the end, and doing it in a manner that was logically consistent with the universe. Even though I doubt we'll ever get another season, they really ended it on a very satisfying high note and left enough time for a nice resolution to tie a bow on it.
That's something I also felt Babylon 5 did better Trek. It felt like there was more weight with the Centauri vs. Narn conflict than the Cardassian vs. Bajoran conflict. The Orville gets it right as well.
It’s quite interesting when you think of it from their perspective. Originally a song about being hopeful that things will improve is turned into a depressing song about a girl singing how things will only get worse for her. Both kind of fit with the plot and events happening overall
I always wondered what the Jem'Hadar would be like if they had more free will and a actual society so I'm glad The Orville gave us a glimpse into that even if they are a totally different species.
in the very first appearance Jem`haddar had more free will, but then writers quickly added Vorta and so Jem haddar became just killing machines on ketracel white
I imagine when the Jem'Hadar managed to wean themselves out of Ketracel White and killed off the Vorta while maintaining their religiousity, they will eventually evolved to be the Krill.
@@LGranthamsHeir they can`t evolve. You didn`t take to account that they were created artificially, they live for a few years and they`re only males - can`t reproduce themselves. Even if they somehow are able to switch from White to normal food, it would be still pointless. They`re like clones in Star Wars, and even worse maybe (in terms of their situation)
@@LGranthamsHeir there is no weaning. The white addiction is built into them by the Founders. There was only 1 that wasn't addicted. As a result of a random mutation. You would have had to use a gene editing technique on the Jem'Hadar to spread that mutation. Which is a problem. They'll take initiative when they have their own supply of white or free from it. Resulting in them rampaging across the Galaxy against everyone.
@@LGranthamsHeir Problem is they can’t really wean from it, they’re bodies can’t function without it barring one mutant of their species who could have gone his entire life without taking it. It does have addictive components, but they need the enzyme it supplies for them
I really liked we got episodes that showed the Union was serious about keeping the alliance together going as so far as returning prisoners despite no extradition treaty but eventually realized the Krill were all take and no give. That felt sadly realistic.
0:05 - 0:20 Krill DIplomat #1: "However, the repeated prophecy of the orphaned child was quite haunting: "The sun will come out tomorrow!"" Krill Diplomat #2: "In our culture, the sun is the symbol of suffering and death!" Krill Diplomat #1" "Getting killed off by the sun is a far worse fate compared to our twin cousins the Jem'Hadar, who are killing each other when they run out of Ketracel white!"
It's really a pity that such a visionary among such a close-minded species would fall to one such campaign mistake, utterly forgetting that despite his species & culture's potential for enlightenment, they've been ruled by fear, ignorance & blatant xenophobia for far too long to ignore a threat like Teleya.
It shows that, to a certain extent, he was out of touch with the needs and desires of his own constituency. If he had a better finger on the pulse, he may have been able to better compensate and prepare for these things.
“when the threat is existential, one cannot afford a margin for error.” i love when a character’s fatal flaw is contrasted against their OWN advice. so good.
I recognized some of the voices and faces. The younger white haired admiral was the bartender Sam Malone from Cheers, the Asian female admiral was the sorceress Cassandra from The Scorpion King movie, and the Planetary Union President was Captain Sheridan in Babylon 5/Tron in the Tron movies.
I think you mean Ted Danson. He was in two films directed by Leonard Nimoy. Three Men and a baby and the sequel to the film Three Men and a Little Lady. With Tom Selick and Steve Guttenburg - I think, and if memory serves - He was also in Cheers as well.
@@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164 yep! He did! And both of them were mentioned in the Oscars. I can see that took you much by surprise, oh well! There it is! 🤔
I always feel like The Krill would be deeply into sad operatic themes, maybe both Human and Klingon opera. I can imagine them singing “if I were a rich man” or “I feel pretty”.
They know that the Krill are sensitive to bright light, but they know very little about their culture in general. That's why there was even a whole episode centered on acquiring a copy of their sacred book, so that they could understand their religious and cultural outlooks and find ways to open a dialog.
@@Renkencen You say that like it's a weekend project. Have you read our very own Bible in its entirety? Do you understand the full historical, social avec theological contexts? It's a huge endeavour! It would take Union scholars a long, long time to properly understand Krill culture and religion. I expect there would be university chairs devoted to "Krill Studies" to make sense of it all.
The Krill are like the Literary Orcs to me. Capable of ubderstanding and appreciating many things but subtext and deeper themes. The way they talk about everything in a brusque and straightforward manner. It's like war and deception are a one-note thing for them. So when someone blindsides them, the tactic is something so obvious it escaped them.
I can't believe I'm just now realizing the president is the same actor that played Sheridan in Babylon 5. They really do get a sci fi all star cast for this show.
When the council people were held hostage on the Krill homeworld, there was a moment where one of them was knocked to the ground with the butt of a weapon. I had hoped there'd be a scene where they'd try it with the Xelayan Councillor woman and end up breaking the weapon on her or something
Space....The Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship Orville. Its continuing mission: To continue the sci-fi adventures inspired by Gene Roddenberry's visions. To seek first contacts with strange new aliens and civilizations. To boldly go where no 'Nu Trek' has gone before!
In a way, The Orville does a better job than most Star Trek series do in displaying the difficulties with humans seeking an alliance with a different species whose values and culture are very much at odds with them. Klingons and humans seem to get along pretty easily whereas humans and Krill have a much more tense relationship.
Curious that in our life forms,they all use the sun's light for to be necessary for living whereas I wonder hoe the Krill evolved to be, what would be the term; photophobic?
Their planet, unlike most others, has an atmosphere that blocks out most of the sun's rays, making it so that 'daytime' ain't even a thing for most part. In time, lifeforms on their home planet evolved to adapt to a dimly lit environment, at a cost of being extremely vulnerable to UV light.
The Krills actually seem to enjoy light: they capital city is full of it! It's just that they can't stand light that is too strong, because their cloudy planet has made them evolve to have no resistance to it.
Funny how so many of the comments here seem to indicate that people don't understand the concept of "actors". "Hey, WOW, that guy is the same guy from this other show! OMG that's CRAZY"
The Krill are such an impressive alien species, that it makes me sad they’re not in the Trek universe. The unique look, culture, and expert makeup feels like a fresh modern equivalent to the Klingons and Romulans. Sadly Star Trek seems to be suffering on the creative and aesthetic front.
hahaah yes confirmed ive watched this at 1:12 over and over its the same actor who played koval john fleck the way he says they will be delt with.. my god shivvers down my spineeeeee
"Ted Danson is an actor who portrayed Admiral Perry in The Orville. He appeared in "All the World is Birthday Cake," "Blood of Patriots," "Gently Falling Rain", "Twice in a Lifetime" and "Domino." " Well, what do you know.
Havtn seen the show so i don’t know the background but that krill chancellor seems like a pretty reasonable dude, bit too confident maybe, but reasonable.
curious if they decided which enemy should they make the real enemy. moclans are worse as they don’t like females of any species where krill have a religion. If they forced their religion on people - it would come down to copying 10 years of stargate especially the ori which killed the series
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Something the Orville did better than any other Trek show (Yes, the Orville is a Trek show - it's earned that right) is astropolitics. Between the Moclans, the Kaylon, and the Krill, I was constantly at the edge of my seat, trying to figure out who was going to end up allied with whom, and I fell for the red herring and got the full level of enjoyment out of the surprise every time.
I loved how far they went flipping the status quo on it's head by the end, and doing it in a manner that was logically consistent with the universe.
Even though I doubt we'll ever get another season, they really ended it on a very satisfying high note and left enough time for a nice resolution to tie a bow on it.
That's something I also felt Babylon 5 did better Trek. It felt like there was more weight with the Centauri vs. Narn conflict than the Cardassian vs. Bajoran conflict. The Orville gets it right as well.
It’s quite interesting when you think of it from their perspective. Originally a song about being hopeful that things will improve is turned into a depressing song about a girl singing how things will only get worse for her. Both kind of fit with the plot and events happening overall
She was a young girl in foster-care sold-off to a wealthy, unmarried man... of course things were about to get MUCH worse.
@@marktaylor6553 what are you referring to?
@@bryanmcclure2220 LOL - the song comes from the movie/play 'Annie', and I was referencing the plot of that.
"the prophesy of the orphan-girl..." 🤣🤣🤣
@@alfonszitterbacke318 in all fairness, they took the performance seriously at least
"When the threat is existential, one cannot afford a margin for error."
I always wondered what the Jem'Hadar would be like if they had more free will and a actual society so I'm glad The Orville gave us a glimpse into that even if they are a totally different species.
in the very first appearance Jem`haddar had more free will, but then writers quickly added Vorta and so Jem haddar became just killing machines on ketracel white
I imagine when the Jem'Hadar managed to wean themselves out of Ketracel White and killed off the Vorta while maintaining their religiousity, they will eventually evolved to be the Krill.
@@LGranthamsHeir they can`t evolve. You didn`t take to account that they were created artificially, they live for a few years and they`re only males - can`t reproduce themselves. Even if they somehow are able to switch from White to normal food, it would be still pointless. They`re like clones in Star Wars, and even worse maybe (in terms of their situation)
@@LGranthamsHeir there is no weaning. The white addiction is built into them by the Founders. There was only 1 that wasn't addicted. As a result of a random mutation. You would have had to use a gene editing technique on the Jem'Hadar to spread that mutation.
Which is a problem. They'll take initiative when they have their own supply of white or free from it. Resulting in them rampaging across the Galaxy against everyone.
@@LGranthamsHeir Problem is they can’t really wean from it, they’re bodies can’t function without it barring one mutant of their species who could have gone his entire life without taking it. It does have addictive components, but they need the enzyme it supplies for them
I was so disappointed to see that alliance fall apart. So many interesting episodes could of been written and now the Union is allied with the Kaylon.
Tru I rlly liked the krill union alliance, but it all paid off eventually
I really liked we got episodes that showed the Union was serious about keeping the alliance together going as so far as returning prisoners despite no extradition treaty but eventually realized the Krill were all take and no give. That felt sadly realistic.
Well it was always a temporary Alliance to them.
"My opponent is a divisive figure who exploits fear and ignorance. She has a devout following but it is insignificant."
That sounds familiar.
Yeah, FJB.
@@gabrielclark1425 Way to admit it flew right over your head champ
@@SlyWolf5 if it did, I wouldn't have chosen the opposite intent that just so happens to meet the same prerequisite.
@@gabrielclark1425 No, we don't need to pretend. You and yours? You need to pretend.
@@gabrielclark1425you do realize this show critiques religion, capitalism, and populism. Trump was the populist they were referring to.
0:05 - 0:20 Krill DIplomat #1: "However, the repeated prophecy of the orphaned child was quite haunting: "The sun will come out tomorrow!""
Krill Diplomat #2: "In our culture, the sun is the symbol of suffering and death!"
Krill Diplomat #1" "Getting killed off by the sun is a far worse fate compared to our twin cousins the Jem'Hadar, who are killing each other when they run out of Ketracel white!"
I think of the Krill more as a riff on the Romulans.
It's really a pity that such a visionary among such a close-minded species would fall to one such campaign mistake, utterly forgetting that despite his species & culture's potential for enlightenment, they've been ruled by fear, ignorance & blatant xenophobia for far too long to ignore a threat like Teleya.
It shows that, to a certain extent, he was out of touch with the needs and desires of his own constituency. If he had a better finger on the pulse, he may have been able to better compensate and prepare for these things.
@@Paullee1147 as is often the fate of visionary's, They become too focused on what could be and loose sight of what is.
“when the threat is existential, one cannot afford a margin for error.” i love when a character’s fatal flaw is contrasted against their OWN advice. so good.
That was a cool Krill with bro-like vibes. A pity he was killed lol
I fucking knew it
@@midnightgod123 yes it was obvious they had to kill him so they would play an arc of Ed`s ex-girlfriend
I recognized some of the voices and faces. The younger white haired admiral was the bartender Sam Malone from Cheers, the Asian female admiral was the sorceress Cassandra from The Scorpion King movie, and the Planetary Union President was Captain Sheridan in Babylon 5/Tron in the Tron movies.
Dude... cmon "Becker" :D ? The "proto" House series.
Michael from The Good Place, dr Stein from DC’s Legends of tomorrow/ Greg from Sleepless night in
Seattle
I think you mean Ted Danson. He was in two films directed by Leonard Nimoy. Three Men and a baby and the sequel to the film Three Men and a Little Lady. With Tom Selick and Steve Guttenburg - I think, and if memory serves - He was also in Cheers as well.
@@stephenfarthing3819 Mister Spock, Leonard Nimoy directed The Three Men and a Baby movies? 😯
@@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164 yep! He did! And both of them were mentioned in the Oscars. I can see that took you much by surprise, oh well! There it is! 🤔
I always feel like The Krill would be deeply into sad operatic themes, maybe both Human and Klingon opera. I can imagine them singing “if I were a rich man” or “I feel pretty”.
I absolutely love how this show completely 180'd the status quo by the end of this season in a super satisfying way.
In hinsight, I felt the Union should of known better about the Krill sensitive of the light!
They know that the Krill are sensitive to bright light, but they know very little about their culture in general. That's why there was even a whole episode centered on acquiring a copy of their sacred book, so that they could understand their religious and cultural outlooks and find ways to open a dialog.
@@princevesperal They took their bible before this episode. Did they not translate and read it???
@@Renkencen You say that like it's a weekend project. Have you read our very own Bible in its entirety? Do you understand the full historical, social avec theological contexts? It's a huge endeavour! It would take Union scholars a long, long time to properly understand Krill culture and religion. I expect there would be university chairs devoted to "Krill Studies" to make sense of it all.
1:08 - 1:14 Glad to see Bruce Boxleiter (Babylon 5's John Sheridan) special guest role as the UFP...sorry...Planetary Union's President 😉
iknow :D
He was also Tron
I thought that voice sounded familiar
The Krill are like the Literary Orcs to me. Capable of ubderstanding and appreciating many things but subtext and deeper themes. The way they talk about everything in a brusque and straightforward manner. It's like war and deception are a one-note thing for them. So when someone blindsides them, the tactic is something so obvious it escaped them.
Bruce Boxlietner is back home in science fiction.
In Valen's name
President Alcuzan formerly president Jim Sheridan.
I can't believe I'm just now realizing the president is the same actor that played Sheridan in Babylon 5. They really do get a sci fi all star cast for this show.
When the council people were held hostage on the Krill homeworld, there was a moment where one of them was knocked to the ground with the butt of a weapon. I had hoped there'd be a scene where they'd try it with the Xelayan Councillor woman and end up breaking the weapon on her or something
i like that song about the sun clearly affected the Krill chancellor in some way.
Obedience Brings Victory &
Victory Is Life
Why can't modern trek be more like this?
NAWHHH
Wokeism
Space....The Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship Orville. Its continuing mission: To continue the sci-fi adventures inspired by Gene Roddenberry's visions. To seek first contacts with strange new aliens and civilizations. To boldly go where no 'Nu Trek' has gone before!
LOL! But very true!
Nice
@@jaredohlstein7355 Thanks 🖖🖖
The Galaxy Quest dinner table was the best, blood tics incl.
1:03 she looks like older version of Elizabeth Holmes of Theranos infamy.
In a way, The Orville does a better job than most Star Trek series do in displaying the difficulties with humans seeking an alliance with a different species whose values and culture are very much at odds with them. Klingons and humans seem to get along pretty easily whereas humans and Krill have a much more tense relationship.
Waiiiit. I know that admiral. Guys, we're not on a space ship! We're in The Bad Place!
Curious that in our life forms,they all use the sun's light for to be necessary for living whereas I wonder hoe the Krill evolved to be, what would be the term; photophobic?
Their planet, unlike most others, has an atmosphere that blocks out most of the sun's rays, making it so that 'daytime' ain't even a thing for most part. In time, lifeforms on their home planet evolved to adapt to a dimly lit environment, at a cost of being extremely vulnerable to UV light.
@@FalconWindblader UV?Same as for "vampires". Weird.
The Krills actually seem to enjoy light: they capital city is full of it! It's just that they can't stand light that is too strong, because their cloudy planet has made them evolve to have no resistance to it.
deep underground maybe?
Funny how so many of the comments here seem to indicate that people don't understand the concept of "actors". "Hey, WOW, that guy is the same guy from this other show! OMG that's CRAZY"
The Krill are such an impressive alien species, that it makes me sad they’re not in the Trek universe. The unique look, culture, and expert makeup feels like a fresh modern equivalent to the Klingons and Romulans. Sadly Star Trek seems to be suffering on the creative and aesthetic front.
I saw a bit about this new thing and no, this is not Star Trek. No.
This is Stellaris. Definitely.
the krills was in the star trek movie.which killed more than be friendly
I recognize that voice! Bruce Boxleitner
Cheers!
hahaah yes confirmed ive watched this at 1:12 over and over its the same actor who played koval john fleck the way he says they will be delt with.. my god shivvers down my spineeeeee
Is that Ted Danson from Cheers?
"Ted Danson is an actor who portrayed Admiral Perry in The Orville. He appeared in "All the World is Birthday Cake," "Blood of Patriots," "Gently Falling Rain", "Twice in a Lifetime" and "Domino." " Well, what do you know.
who's playing the blue alien? he's extremely familiar.. almost sounds like sheridan from babylon 5...
...yes it is - Bruce Boxleitner :-)
Good eye! it is the actor who did Sheridan!
Can you please post more of President Alcuzan's Scenes? I'd love to be able to watch just them together because I'm a huge Bruce Boxleitner addict!
Havtn seen the show so i don’t know the background but that krill chancellor seems like a pretty reasonable dude, bit too confident maybe, but reasonable.
What species is the weird bluish ambassador(?) sitting at the table? I tried looking it up but there is no entry.
0:37 Priming for ‘you will own nothing and you will be happy’, eh?
Star Trek is the same way, you dolt. Capitalism is cancer.
Captain Sheridan of Babylon 5 is looking a little blue today. Anyone know how Delenn is doing?
sadly, Mira Furlan died, RIP...
TED!!!!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤
Ferengi: you should have managed your businesses better!
Krills we're on the wonder woman tv show and they were not good people.
curious if they decided which enemy should they make the real enemy. moclans are worse as they don’t like females of any species where krill have a religion. If they forced their religion on people - it would come down to copying 10 years of stargate especially the ori which killed the series
Ted Danson has never looked more ridiculous