Ep 7: Does Dirac Live Matter in a Small Atmos Theater?

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  • @evilawkeye2215
    @evilawkeye2215 23 дні тому +8

    Another great video, would be nice little update about the acoustic panels!

  • @TinoGoratsch89
    @TinoGoratsch89 23 дні тому +4

    Regarding the "manually setting the volume":
    This screen is only necessary to get all the speakers ROUGHLY to the same level (to prevent you from having a too low or to high volume while measuring the speakers).
    Dirac will calculate the final level gains of each channel automatically, of course. :)
    Furthermore, there is the recommendation to have ~30 db SNR between your room's background noise and the actual measurement sweeps. I.e. if Dirac shows a background noise of -50dB for the microphone, the volume level of each speaker should ideally be at roughly ~20dB.

  • @randomhelp
    @randomhelp 23 дні тому +3

    Great video i have really been enjoying the series

  • @snowinokinawa
    @snowinokinawa 22 дні тому

    I’ve really enjoyed this series so far, thank you. What you said about heights/sound localisation was especially interesting as I just recently garnered some fascinating results of my own: I own the RZ70 and have been tinkering with Dirac Live (2x subs, no DLBC) for about a year now and just recently purchased a Sony AN1000 to test out their 360 Spatial Mapping tech. What I found was the RZ70 clearly had a tighter, more precise and impactful front stage, especially regarding the subwoofers… however the Sony clearly had better pinpoint localisation of sound effects in the surrounds and heights… actually the first time I enjoyed Atmos and felt that envelopment others speak of. I think there are other factors at play here, like the heights being in-ceilings not optimally placed and zero room treatment (yet), however it does raise an important question about how the algorithms compare (360SSM vs Dirac vs Audyssey vs ARC Gen) and like others have mentioned already, I think you’re in an excellent position to compare some of these in your ‘perfectly speaker placed room,’ especially with regards to which of the softwares/receivers better localise effects around the room? Thanks again, absolutely loving this series…! Nickolas

    • @GeorgeTheaterAtHome
      @GeorgeTheaterAtHome  22 дні тому

      Thank you so much!! I have plans to use the small theater as kind of a lab to do the sort of testing you’re describing. Will be interesting to hear how different receivers and processors compare, with all other factors being equal. Glad to hear you’re enjoying the videos. Thanks for watching!

  • @jcfitch3194
    @jcfitch3194 22 дні тому +2

    My opinion on ATMOS and localized sound - to me it is the subtle additions to the soundscape; it's the cherry on top. It should not be over the top, and you should not be localizing the height speakers at all. Room treatment is key here. On my second theater build I hired Home Theater Gurus for a sound treatment build, and during the build I blasted 2-channel music at the main L/R positions on cheap DIY speakers - and even without carpet they sounded great. Room treatment + DIRAC Live = sound bliss. Add to that your height speakers and you get the dazzling sound stage, but you never can pinpoint exactly where the speakers are - you just know Maverick has been underneath Rooster the entire time until he rolls inverted over the top of him. The tomahawk cruise missiles are blasting over the Dagger attack formation, but the F18s remain the star of the show.

    • @GeorgeTheaterAtHome
      @GeorgeTheaterAtHome  22 дні тому

      I could not have said this any better myself. Yes!!

    • @dextermorgan1
      @dextermorgan1 22 дні тому +1

      That's a matter of opinion. I personally, enjoy being able to hear my Atmos speakers. I want them to stand out. Luckily, we can set up our systems to where they sound best to us, which is all that matters.😊

  • @MattyDaddy14
    @MattyDaddy14 22 дні тому

    Man. I’m soo envious of this setup!! This is exactly what I have envisioned for when we move into our next rental house if I get a dedicated space/room in the basement. 🎉
    Please make some demos!!! 🎉

  • @slawek6829
    @slawek6829 21 день тому

    Almost bought rz 50, but decided to buy denon 3800 and pay extra for dirac.Great video.

  • @usmankhalid990
    @usmankhalid990 22 дні тому

    Thanks for the video George, the mini theather has come a long way!!
    Would love to see a video comparing your theaters based on speaker placement. I know that this mini theater has optimal placement of speakers so it would be interesting to hear how much of a difference that actually made as compared to your basement theater.

    • @GeorgeTheaterAtHome
      @GeorgeTheaterAtHome  22 дні тому +1

      I think that would be a really great video to test that. Thanks for the suggestion and thanks for watching!

  • @jagsandhu6114
    @jagsandhu6114 20 днів тому

    Hi....just did Dirac on my RZ 70...really brought sound to another level....my SVS ultra system..and dual Def Tech DNS subs... Chane 4.5 height speakers are much much alive👍

  • @kujoomd2863
    @kujoomd2863 22 дні тому +1

    This has been a good series. Your comments about our ears and height localization abilities as something new to you makes me guess you never looked into Auro3D. It definitely lost the format battle but the science behind it is based on the what you heard from your height speakers. I've never had Auro3D in my system, just read about it and heard enough interviews so im only conceptually aware of how its different in approach from Dolby Atmos. I was on team HD DVD so no need to blow money on a loosing format again even if it has some technical merit.

    • @GeorgeTheaterAtHome
      @GeorgeTheaterAtHome  22 дні тому

      That is an interesting point! I've never really dove into Auro3D. But I’ve also heard a lot about it and would like to hear it at some point.

  • @AndersStorm-e1e
    @AndersStorm-e1e 22 дні тому

    Happy to hear that you like DL! Thanks for sharing this great video BR Dirac CEO

  • @kuronekosan2830
    @kuronekosan2830 23 дні тому +2

    What about mic placement? there are 3 options
    which one you choosed? and how you placed the mic
    can you please do a video on that?

  • @ferrari77773
    @ferrari77773 23 дні тому +1

    Totally awesome!

  • @ScottGunMag69
    @ScottGunMag69 22 дні тому

    Room correction has improved quite a lot over the last decade.

  • @bizmofunyuns6463
    @bizmofunyuns6463 23 дні тому +2

    Rz70 is 1999 right meow, bass control is on sale for 249

  • @JuanJose-wt5yj
    @JuanJose-wt5yj 2 дні тому

    Thanks for the video. It says that it does not equalize in the entire frequency range, only up to 500 Hz.
    In the graph that appears at minute 6, a fairly pronounced valley can be seen from 1.5 to 2.5 Khz.
    Does the Central channel and the other frontal channel also have that valley?
    Written with a translator.
    Greetings

    • @GeorgeTheaterAtHome
      @GeorgeTheaterAtHome  2 дні тому +1

      You can adjust Dirac to how much you want it to equalize. The option is to go as high as 20KHz. But I have it set to only 500Hz

    • @JuanJose-wt5yj
      @JuanJose-wt5yj День тому

      @@GeorgeTheaterAtHome Well, do the test by raising that valley (final ear test) between 1.5 to 2.5 Khz and it will count if you notice more punch in the final sound.
      Can you upload the REW .mdat file and see the acoustics of your room?

  • @gsanchez922
    @gsanchez922 15 днів тому

    Now you need to test some custom targets curves and see which one you like it

  • @Mjaybird
    @Mjaybird 13 днів тому

    I have an Onkyo RZ50 and when I put in my account on my pc says I don’t have a license. The microphone that comes with it is sensitive and you need a quiet room

  • @bobrocco1203
    @bobrocco1203 22 дні тому +1

    It could be your internet when running the software. I have the Onkyo rz50, and it only takes around 3 or 4 minutes to load. Thanks for the video! P.s. when are you gonna update the mini dsp video?

  • @EverythingHomeTheater
    @EverythingHomeTheater 22 дні тому +1

    If you're still semi interested in direct live bass control they do Black Friday sales and it's currently 25% off, still kind of expensive but best time to buy it

  • @lixux
    @lixux 23 дні тому +1

    The sound panels are custom made? If yes can you make a video about them? Thanks for your content.

    • @GeorgeTheaterAtHome
      @GeorgeTheaterAtHome  23 дні тому +2

      They are from GIK Acoustics. I’m planning to make a video about them.

  • @paulc5389
    @paulc5389 23 дні тому

    We only localise elevated sounds well up to about 30 degrees and mostly can't at all above 40 degrees. Though it's worth remembering speakers have a radial pattern so you may receive some sound off axis to where you've actually placed them.
    The ideal setup for a single row is x.x.4.2. 4 heights and 2 tops. But additional tops can help for multiple rows as their angle narrows between rows. But that's only for objects that will actually use all of those speakers spatially. Unfortunately a lot of Atmos tracks aren't the best and are rushed jobs often only giving overhead sounds if you're lucky.

  • @TyGuyPS5
    @TyGuyPS5 20 днів тому

    In Dirac, you can just upload a harmon +10 curve and not even dabble with adjusting manually

  • @askmatt7283
    @askmatt7283 22 дні тому

    Make sure you go back and check/adjust the levels for each speaker after you run DIRAC. It makes a difference!

  • @Prettytony0627
    @Prettytony0627 23 дні тому +2

    Looks good but I would black out that ps5 so it matches your other components

  • @MattyDaddy14
    @MattyDaddy14 22 дні тому

    Great video!! Please go into detail on those acoustic panels!! Did you make them? Why did you choose the locations? Do you need ceiling panels? Etc. 🎉
    Never heard Dirac but always wanted to experience it and incorporate someday. 🎉

    • @GeorgeTheaterAtHome
      @GeorgeTheaterAtHome  22 дні тому

      I’ve got a video planned for the acoustic panels. Hopefully have it out soon.

  • @cafiveohsrockbandremix9254
    @cafiveohsrockbandremix9254 22 дні тому +1

    Nice video! I plan on trying out Dirac Live soon so I enjoy hearing other people's perspective on it. How would you compare the sound vs ARC Genesis? Also, just curious what wall mounts are those for your surrounds and height speakers?

    • @uwsome1
      @uwsome1 22 дні тому

      WALI Speaker Wall Mounts, Dual Side Clamping Bookshelf Mounting Bracket for Large Surrounding Sound Speakers, Hold up to 55 lbs. (SWM201

    • @GeorgeTheaterAtHome
      @GeorgeTheaterAtHome  22 дні тому

      Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! It’s difficult to say how ARC Genesis compares because my two rooms are so different. Maybe I should do a comparison test in the small room?
      Here’s the link to the bookshelf wall mounts
      amzn.to/413PPAw

  • @naamah-dh
    @naamah-dh 22 дні тому

    Thanks 🙏
    I tried a1 evo, nexus, it’s far better than the basic odyssey, but id love to know what is the difference between Dirac live

  • @texxhexxmm
    @texxhexxmm 23 дні тому +1

    Did you use bass Management,which is free now.

  • @AsaFisk-m3b
    @AsaFisk-m3b 21 день тому

    Didn’t the RZ50 JUST add the Bass Support for Dirac??

    • @GeorgeTheaterAtHome
      @GeorgeTheaterAtHome  21 день тому +2

      The latest firmware unlocks the ability to purchase Dirac Live Bass Control

    • @AsaFisk-m3b
      @AsaFisk-m3b 21 день тому

      @ ah, got it. I thought I’d heard Andrew Robinson say something about the RZ70/50 and misheard specifics. Thanks!

  • @CSOCSO
    @CSOCSO 7 днів тому

    Luckily, I did not have any issue connecting to my onkyo 7100. Laptop was on wifi. AVR was wired. I just bought a laptop for like $800, so I don't have the best laptop but exporting the calibration took like 1 minute or so. To be honest, I was shocked how much better my system sounded (to me) when I turned OFF the calibration. lol
    It's kinda hard testing with regular movies but it's better to check this with music. I was listening to Hans Zimmer Live in Prague dvd and it was so much better without the calibration

    • @GeorgeTheaterAtHome
      @GeorgeTheaterAtHome  7 днів тому

      That’s interesting it sounds better without the calibration. Maybe try running the calibration again. Something may have gone wrong the first time?

  • @Mike-jm5wt
    @Mike-jm5wt 20 днів тому

    How do you define theater? I have a TV and surround sound speakers in my living room and I wouldn't tell people it's a theater. I see this term get misused a lot on the internet, to me a home theater describes a room specifically constructed for that purpose and has little to do with the electronics. Double layers of drywall, floating floor, in wall wiring runs, theater style lighting, etc are hall marks of a home theater and it's not cheap.

    • @GeorgeTheaterAtHome
      @GeorgeTheaterAtHome  20 днів тому +1

      “Theater” means something different to different people. I’ve seen this topic debated endlessly online. At the end of the day there are infinite number of ways to build a setup for consuming media. It’s tough to nail down where the line is to say one way is legit and another is not.

  • @spacemanwho
    @spacemanwho 22 дні тому

    This video was fascinating... its a shame they limit the purchase to the receiver and not the account holder... I need to find a detailed video explaining curves and frequencies and cross overs (hint hint) :)

  • @agordon7369
    @agordon7369 15 днів тому

    Which do you prefer overall Dirac or ARC? I’m tossed between RZ70 and MRX1140

    • @GeorgeTheaterAtHome
      @GeorgeTheaterAtHome  15 днів тому +1

      Oh man that’s a tough question. I’ve only run Dirac a couple times so it’s hard to say which one I prefer. I do love my Anthem AVM70. Either one is going to be a great choice. Hard to go wrong with either one.

    • @agordon7369
      @agordon7369 15 днів тому

      @ thank you outside the Dirac/ARC which unit do you prefer overall. I’ve heard people complain that Anthem doesn’t have the output they would like and that it seems to have a lot of bugs at times.

    • @GeorgeTheaterAtHome
      @GeorgeTheaterAtHome  15 днів тому

      I have the AVM70 so it’s all external amplification. I’ve got really good amps so the output is huge. But I also use all external amplification on my RZ50 😁. I think Anthem has mostly got all their bugs resolved. I haven’t noticed anything significant. Have you considered getting the MRX740 and using external amplification?

    • @agordon7369
      @agordon7369 15 днів тому

      @ yeah I have considered it as well, I don’t recall why I was thinking of the 1140 over the 740 maybe it is the number of outputs. I’ll have to look into all options again, I’m looking at a 7.2.4 setup so maybe the 1140 over the 740 due to number of outputs and I don’t recall the rz70 outputs either. I think the 1140 has separate sub outputs over the 740

  • @donmorton7282
    @donmorton7282 22 дні тому

    Great videos and love how the theater has come together. Just curious, are you using a powered sub? If so, what do you use for the receiver sub level and what are the sub gain and crossover Hertz settings at? Thanks

    • @GeorgeTheaterAtHome
      @GeorgeTheaterAtHome  22 дні тому +1

      Yes, it’s the powered RSL 10” sub. I set the volume on the sub at 50%. For the crossovers, I set every speaker at 80Hz

    • @donmorton7282
      @donmorton7282 22 дні тому

      Excellent, thx so much, do you also keep the receiver sub level at 0?

    • @GeorgeTheaterAtHome
      @GeorgeTheaterAtHome  22 дні тому +1

      Yes, it’s at 0, but I did boost the Dirac curve about 3 db for the under 100 hz frequencies.

    • @donmorton7282
      @donmorton7282 22 дні тому

      Excellent, thx buddy. Look forward to the next video

  • @MAMDAVEM
    @MAMDAVEM 22 дні тому

    Great video. I also have a small room (3x5m) 7.4.4 setup and I'm considering Dirac live on my Marantz cinema 50. My question is, knowing what you know now, would you be willing to pay for it on your receiver for this room?

    • @GeorgeTheaterAtHome
      @GeorgeTheaterAtHome  22 дні тому

      That’s an excellent question. And a tough one! I think you’re probably good with sticking with Audyssey on your AVR. The less expensive upgrade would be to buy the $20 app for Audyssey if you haven’t already. That is something I definitely recommend.

    • @MAMDAVEM
      @MAMDAVEM 22 дні тому

      Thanks I have the app and I would certainly recommend it to Audyssey users.

  • @Nikita-P
    @Nikita-P 23 дні тому

    I know it’s maybe not what you’re planning to do with this specific bill but I’d be curious since you have all external notification if you could do an ANB comparison to AVM 70 with arc calibration. Reason I’m asking is I want to set up a office system just like you’re showing here and considering moving my anthem MRX or getting the Onkyo like you have here

    • @GeorgeTheaterAtHome
      @GeorgeTheaterAtHome  23 дні тому +1

      I think that would be a good test, thanks for the suggestion!

    • @Nikita-P
      @Nikita-P 22 дні тому

      @ love your series here. We need to encourage more folks to try to do systems in smaller rooms. I’m very interested in RBH Impression on-wall models for space saving reasons.

  • @jason_mc77
    @jason_mc77 23 дні тому +2

    Did you play with Dirac using the puck mic and the Onkyo Control app? It runs really quick for me that way. Comparing the app and puck mic to a UMIK-1 with a laptop is not a huge night and day difference, at least in my space.There are subtle nuances in certain frequencies using the UMIK-1 but for someone not versed in this sort of thing the puck mic and Onkyo app is super easy and does a great job.

    • @GeorgeTheaterAtHome
      @GeorgeTheaterAtHome  23 дні тому +1

      That is a good point. I’ll give the puck mic a try and see what I get. Thanks for watching!

  • @marct9587
    @marct9587 23 дні тому

    What equipment rack is that?

    • @GeorgeTheaterAtHome
      @GeorgeTheaterAtHome  23 дні тому

      It’s the rack in my dedicated basement theater. It’s from SnapAV
      www.snapav.com/shop/en/snapav/floor-standing/sr-custom-21u-20in

  • @drsomparkashverma6174
    @drsomparkashverma6174 22 дні тому

    Pls make a video on Dirac Live vs Audyssey

  • @herefordian70
    @herefordian70 22 дні тому

    This is the first video where you kind of lost me! 😂 As someone who's not got a home cinema set-up I'm curious as to what calibration actually does?

    • @GeorgeTheaterAtHome
      @GeorgeTheaterAtHome  22 дні тому +1

      Calibration does a lot of things, but from a high level it smooths out frequency response, level sets all the speakers and adjusts for time delay so the sound from each speakers arrives at your ear at the same time.

  • @audireddevil
    @audireddevil 23 дні тому +1

    Great series man. You’re one of the best home theater channels. Great content, easy to understand, to the point. Will you add bass shakers to the Valencia seats?

    • @GeorgeTheaterAtHome
      @GeorgeTheaterAtHome  23 дні тому +1

      Thank you! So happy to hear you’re enjoying my videos. I don’t have current plans to add bass shakers to these seats. Truthfully, I’m already getting a fair amount of tactile response from the 10” RSL sub in the corner. I was surprised it’s so powerful!

  • @texxhexxmm
    @texxhexxmm 23 дні тому

    Dial in the Volume per Speaker about 30db above noise floor .

  • @Ijy10
    @Ijy10 23 дні тому +1

    I use Dirac and love it but it sounds a bit thin, even after adjusting the curves. I use the RZ 50 bass boost to get it where I like it. DLBC will disable that feature, so I haven’t taken the plunge. Great series.

    • @kuronekosan2830
      @kuronekosan2830 23 дні тому +1

      because it's most probably you are used to midrange being like 5db high
      100-400hz
      so it feels wrong because you are used to that and you like that type of sound but dirac doesn't know what you like
      it just tries to level all the frequencies
      but you could go in there and try to increase the midrange to what your speaker measurmenent was
      maybe decrease the curve a bit by 3 db
      you can tinker around and try different presets
      you don't have to only use harman curves etc
      you can create your curve that sounds the best to your ears

    • @Ijy10
      @Ijy10 23 дні тому +1

      @ I don’t think it has an option to increase the mids, it’s just highs and lows, treble and bass. Please educate me if I’m missing something

    • @kuronekosan2830
      @kuronekosan2830 23 дні тому

      @@Ijy10 are you using the app on pc?dirac live 3.11? it lets you set the target curve however u want from 20hz to 20khz
      first you need to change the mode to adjust the target curve
      by default its on a mode where you don't have much control
      if you set it to another mode
      then you can add control points
      and that's where you can do what you want
      its in the right corner
      there are 2 small logos
      you just need to press the one that allows control points
      you can also add front right and left and center all in one group
      or seperate them if you want
      you can also control the curtain
      which is the range the software will let you add controls
      for example if you want the software to only allow correction for 100-400hz
      u can use the curtain to only allow that range to be corrected while the other freq range will be untouched
      i also didnt like how dirac live sound flat
      i increased the mids and lows a bit more and boosted the high a tiny bit
      i can't believe how good it sounds just using the puck mic
      it literally opened the sound and now everything has seamlessly blended together and i can no longer localised my speakers
      i think it's because dirac live correcting for impulse response too
      what a game changer when you have speakers in the right location

    • @kuronekosan2830
      @kuronekosan2830 23 дні тому

      ​@@Ijy10 can you send me your email or something
      i replied you but somehow youtube didnt post the comment

    • @Ijy10
      @Ijy10 23 дні тому

      @@kuronekosan2830 I put a comment on a short on your page, hit me there

  • @cn5147
    @cn5147 23 дні тому +1

    What next? A slightly bigger tv?

    • @GeorgeTheaterAtHome
      @GeorgeTheaterAtHome  23 дні тому

      Forrest wanted me to put in a new 77” 😁. But honestly, I’m so close to the screen (just a bit under 7’) that the screen is about the right size for me. Any larger and I would have to be constantly scanning around the screen to see the whole thing.

    • @cn5147
      @cn5147 23 дні тому

      Deal. I sit 8 feet from a 77 inch b2 but I recline when I watch TV so that works.

    • @danemoreno88
      @danemoreno88 23 дні тому +1

      I sit about 8-9 feet from a 120

  • @Victor-i4g4u
    @Victor-i4g4u 22 дні тому

    How about some movie demos?

  • @texxhexxmm
    @texxhexxmm 23 дні тому

    The new 3.11 Firmware is very good .A lot of Bugs gone.
    I use bass Control with umik2 and Dayton audio umm6.

  • @LEMON48
    @LEMON48 23 дні тому

    To 2 december -------Dirac 20 % for all !!!!!!!!!

  • @ZeonStar77
    @ZeonStar77 23 дні тому

    Tears of the Kingdom OLED Switch Dock. 👍

  • @danemoreno88
    @danemoreno88 23 дні тому

    Dirac is a game changer it changed my sound for the better in a big way I had no bass at all coming from my speakers at all did Dirac and now it sounds like I have a small sub running and that’s without dlbc . Speaking of dlbc it’s on bf sale for 239

  • @PIPERBOYWILLIAMS
    @PIPERBOYWILLIAMS 22 дні тому

    Dirac live is not good for theater. IT nutters the bass. My Anthem with Arc Genesis did that too. I have a Denon 3800 and Cinema 50. Stay away from Dirac for home theater. Many people are just trying to make content

    • @danemoreno88
      @danemoreno88 22 дні тому

      Not true at all in fact the complete opposite in my room bass went from weak and anemic to sounding like I have a small sub

    • @GeorgeTheaterAtHome
      @GeorgeTheaterAtHome  22 дні тому

      It seems to work well in my space. The bass is quite pronounced and impactful despite only having a 10” sub.

    • @PIPERBOYWILLIAMS
      @PIPERBOYWILLIAMS 22 дні тому

      @ if you say so. I’ve never heard Dirac live having impactful bass. You get more mid bass but impactful I would beg to differ.

    • @PIPERBOYWILLIAMS
      @PIPERBOYWILLIAMS 22 дні тому

      @ ok. Pronounced ? You mean mid bass? Onkyo doesn’t give low end extension well unless Dirac is disabled. I wish you would try an anthem. You would never go back

    • @GeorgeTheaterAtHome
      @GeorgeTheaterAtHome  22 дні тому

      @PIPERBOYWILLIAMS I have an AVM70 in my regular theater. Love it!