Drum Pedal Spring Tension Explained
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2013
- Some thoughts on spring tension starting with very loose, then going to very tight, then looking at the spectrum in between. Skip to 3:45 for the brief recap. I give Pros and Cons for each setting so you can decide what you need. Every pedal is different, so these are just rough guidelines. In fact, this pedal is almost unplayable at the tightest possible setting, but I have other pedals that play just fine there.
This video is very helpful. I thought that loose tension meant you could play fast, so you cleared that up for me. I appreciate your work. :^)
ARegularPanda Thanks, glad I could help.
Thanks man! Your short video pretty much explained all the ins and outs on spring tension. And showing, not just saying what the effects of both extremes are was VERY helpful!! Again...thanks my friend! This video was more than VERY informative!! 🎶🥁👊
Hey, man. Coming back seven years later just to watch your old masterpieces. I couldnt believe you happened to live so close to me at the time after I had already been watching your drum videos for years. ps. I still have the Bloodstrike cd you gave me in my car.
Informative and well explained, I don't think other sources fully tell you everything like this video does
Thank you!
So well explained.
I have been struggling so much with speed and now know why :)
glad to help
Great vid. It's hard to find good videos like this. Keep up the great work and thanks for the tips.
Thank you for good quality advice, shown in a succinct, and easy to understand, way. Much appreciated.
no problem
Great video! I never really thought about screwing with my spring tension before.
I think it's worth mentioning that the main thing I noticed when I increased my spring tension is that it was easier to use the heel-toe technique. Before, I was accidentally getting rebounds from my heel stroke, especially when it wasn't immediately followed by a toe stroke, and increasing the tension made the pedal stick to my foot better, just like you said.
Elias Simon agreed
It's literally the first thing I do to a pedal is set it up prior to playing.
Very nice video man.All explanations is pretty nice exactly for the thing that someone want to know.You concentrate your presentation to cons and ups and that is the real needed information!Good job man!
thanks!
Your videos are very helpful and I appreciate your effort.
Very good video....straight to the point and precise!! I'm gonna try this tomorrow!
Thanks for watching. Glad you enjoyed it.
Thanks! Thats helpfull. It was what I thought allready but yet I needed this confirmation :-)
Ryan you saved my day. Thank you!
+Thomas Pedersen no problem
+Ryan Alexander Bloom next time, take off the snare wires XD
Very helpful video. I was trying to get help with my bass pedal being too loose. Thanks!
Thank you! You solved me a lot of problems! Greethings from Italy! ;)
Excellent!! Very well presented.
So clear and simple... Thank you very much :)
And yet another great video! Thank you!
Thanks Just got a dw5000 and this is a nice refresher.
thank you, very informative and helpful,much appreciated
This is super helpful..hoping it helps me figure out my never ending flutter problem
It's like I go to do a decently fast double or triple and get caught up, super weird
Another great video! You've got some really good material up on your channel! :-D
I play a lot of high intensity death metal and this really helped me tone my tension problem. Wayy too loose, its much more comfortable now (:
Nice in-depth explanation, many thanks!
glad to help
Great explanation. Most videos are about speed, and spring tension crainked up. I've heard that spring tension is based on speed, but I haven't heard it so consice. Everyone says to set it up for feel, but this is a great explanation for how to set it up initially. I've only been playing about 2 months, and am driving myself nuts with my spring maxed out per everyone else's recommendation.
Mike Smith I have other videos on spring tension as well that might help you. “Maxed out” isn’t so much a tension as a physical placement. It varies widely from pedal to pedal. So maxed on one pedal might be too tight for anyone to reasonable play while on another you’ll be wishing there was more than maxed because it’s still loose. For example the lower end beginner Iron Cobras have weak springs and can be tightened much farther usefully than the higher end professional ones.
@@RyanAlexanderBloom Thanks for the reply. I picked up a set of pearl eliminators double kick for $60. I know they're shitty n all, but that was a steal see that price. I found that 3/4 from Max tension it's the sweet spot, and the beaters are finally at the hight that feels right for being a noob at this. You're videos really helped, much appreciated!
Thanks for the Tips, this really helped me cause i play Metal and the bass pedals are tricky and fast so I think I'm gonna make it between medium tight to max tight, Thanks :D
Awesome explanation man! Really got some good info out of this
+McGuire_Drummer good to hear.
Great explanation!!
Cool video man! Like... I knew this already as im a full time drummer.. But this is definitely helpful for people who are not clear about it!!! I mean if im honest... It took a big while to figure this out by myself!
Thanks!
Thanks for the great video! The explanations are straight forward yet easy to understand. So its great for helping drummers find their "pedal sweet spot" if just starting out but also anyone shopping for new bass pedals. The clear explanations will also be helpful for anyone else that might steal.... oops ... no, BORROW the examples to help explain to students how certain adjustments work. Again, I meant to say "BORROW"...
Borrow away. But better yet, link students and customers to my channel! I know other drum teachers who actually use my videos to teach technique. Sometimes even by accident. They just stumble across it and then go, oh yeah I know that guy.
Good video for those getting started!
Thanks!
Great video.Thank you.
very good clear video, thank you
Great explanation
Awesome all thumbs up! and I will add one more!
thanks bro, thank you! great videos!!
Very helpful, thanks man.
Nice video, very helpful! My pedal was way too loose but feels a lot better now!
great to hear.
So helpful! Thank you.
Thank you! Explained Really Well! 👍😊
explained perfectly mate! thank you oh so much!!!
+Michael Traeger thanks for watching.
Thanks dude! Big help!
Very helpful, thanks.
Thanks, very helpful.
Great video! Helped a lot!
thanks
Helps a lot, thanks.
Sesquiflat good to know
THANK YOU.
Medium is always my go to
Great video man. Thanks!
No problem.
nice vid man. good stuff.
good explanation thanks for the video.
I'm trying to setup the pedal softer for my 8 years old dauther. It's helping, thanks you!
+I don't want to use my full name Great! Keep in mind that small children may require a bit less tension at any desired setting than an adult... you know, small legs and such. I've had several students 8 or younger and they can play quite well if they're into it.
+Ryan Alexander Bloom Thanks!
cool, nice to know it helps people
Thanks, this was super helpful. By the way, has anyone ever told you that you sound like TJ Miller?
Thanks. I don't know what I am doing so this helps.
I usually go for a pretty tight tension. Not super cranked all the way, but tight enough, like I say in the vid, for my foot to not leave the pedal too much during the backswing. I don't always play metal either but I think if you really want to play Angel of Death type double bass at any point you might as well set the pedal up for it. At my medium tight setting I can still play other types of music.
Nice golf shoes! There's nothing like spanking the drums when you've had a shitty day on the golf course! :-)
Thanks for this video Ryan. I explained this many times to my students. Interesting that you disfavor Pearl brand of pedals. I've found that I can use any brand except the Ludwig Speed King, which ranks among the most popular pedals ever. Just curious about your opinion of the Speed King. I use Tama Iron Cobra, my fave. Please keep the videos coming. BR.
Claude
Claude Abraham I only played one speed king that I can recall and it was not in good condition. The squeaking was very hard to get past. It wasn't mine so I couldn't lube it up or anything. I like Cobras and DWs because they feel the most solid.
Thanks!
As a blues/country/jam band, ~medium loose tension has been the most comfortable for a while now.
glad to help
That was a really nice vid! Thanks!
And for the angle of the beater when the foot is off the pedal? What is the best setting for each of those scenarios (slow and fast)?
Hi Ryan,
Nice and clear explanation indeed. Very useful. Many thks.
However, in this video you're only talking about the spring tension. But what about the chain, its role, adjustment possibilities and settings, etc (or maybe have you already posted a video on this subject) ?
Many thks beforehand for your answer.
Kind rgds,
Marc
I cannot recall ever mentioning the chain specifically in any video. This is probably because the chain itself is not really a relevant adjustment. If by chain you mean beater angle/distance, then I do have a video on that. Or if by chain you mean foot board height, then I do not have a video on that, but I suppose I could make one. The chain itself should always contact the cam as much as possible. Any adjustments to anything that the chain is connected to should be made without messing with the chain itself. Most pro level pedals from any brand allow for footboard, cam, or beater adjustment without affecting the chain directly. I have heard of people who take links out of the chain or add links to it… but this may be a relic of the days when there weren't so many adjustments as modern pedals now have.
Ryan Alexander Bloom Thks for your prompt reaction.
I'm talking about the angle between beater and foot board when the foot is not on the pedal (or the angle between beater and the drum head) (In the biggest is the first one, in the smallest is the second, right ?)
If you've already posted a video on that, I guess I can find it among the 87 previously posted ?
Cheers,
Marc
Marc Vander Linden bass drum beater distance explained this is the video most related to your question. I am not sure if I already sent this to you, but I just happened to see this comment today and it doesn't look familiar...
I would say chain is good when you play below 260bpms.If you looking for precission and speed then go Direct drive pedals.Far back beaters for speed playing.
excellent
Aha. Thanks. Was wondering if my sons kick pedal was too loose. It's probably ok with your help.
I would say that the smaller the kid, the looser the tension needs to be because smaller drummers cannot generate enough power to play at higher spring tensions. Adults have all the options available, but kids are more limited.
Well, I tightened up the spring all the way and I think I still need more tension. I have a Pearl 900 series maybe it has some sort of cam option, I'll have to check my box of do-dads and see. But thanks for the info, my pedal was way too soft, felt the difference immediately.
I do not dislike the 930 Pearls as much as some of their other pedals. You may have another cam somewhere, it looks like it is a separate piece but I've never tried taking it off of one. I do have access to one on a regular basis. Maybe I'll look. I just helped a student with his 200 series Tama recently and the spring really didn't get tight enough. I recommended that he get new springs before he bought another pedal... so this scenario is highly plausible for your pedal as well.
That boom doom diddley boom that Paice is famous for,I find is hard with a tight spring.Doing the same thing on double pedals with tight springs is a diddle.Also doubles on a single pedal,much easier with a looser spring.
Jellybeantiger I disagree entirely but again it often has to do with what pedals you're using. I can do heel-toe a little bit on the pedal in this video, but not at all on my iron cobras. Granted, it's not my finest double stroke technique, I use swivel and slide much more, but it has as much to do with the overall pedal as the tightness of the spring on each. That's just an example, but in the overall scheme of things the generalized sentiments in this video hold true for almost all pedals and almost all techniques. I teach nearly 1000 lessons per year to drummers with all kinds of different equipment. I get a pretty good average on what works.
When my pedal springs are tight I can do fast double bass at 200 bpm but there is absolutely no feel and I can't pull off Bonham like triplets with a tight spring.Also stuff like doubles I find easier with a looser spring.A tight spring is only good for fast singles and that's about it so if you are in a grind band crank up the springs.I want a more jazzier feel in my pedals so I will go looser.Have my Pearl Redline Eliminators at stock atm so will keep them as they are for a few months(they are quite tight)to see if my legs stengthen and I get a bit more feel from them.
Jellybeantiger there is, of course, a spectrum of tightness. It depends on the pedal what constitutes "tight" vs "loose". Some pedals will easily allow you to tighten all the way and still play while others you can't even press them down at that setting. All the way right means different things on different models. So, it's not that surprising to hear that on your particular pedal you can go too far and feel restricted. I, for one, dislike pearl pedals as a rule. At any setting I can't play as well as I can on other pedals.
Just go for the medium tightness for both types of playing... U wont go wrong. 👌🤘
How do you have it at flat foot?
Almost seen all of your videos.Thanks btw.But I have a question, no matter what I did, I cant hold stabil at the same level my kickheads.When I push both of them left one always stop early, right one always stops lately.If you help me on this one.Would be great! Thank you for your videos.
I'm not exactly sure what you're saying, but in guessing you are saying that your Slave side doesn't react exactly the same way as your master side. This is kind of a reality of double pedals. You'll probably never get them to stop at the same time because the drive shaft for the slave side causes you to lose energy. It's not ideal, but if you get them pretty close, you won't really notice. If you want exactitude you'll need 2 singles and 2 drums.
Sorry, my mistake.Poor Englısh :) Anyway, I think I need 2 singles and 2 drums as you said.Thank you.
i need help, so my spring tension is set to maximum yet it's extremely loose still when i play. I'm setting up my double bass pedal. My left foot has my optimal tension (very tight) yet my right pedal would be considered barely even medium tight.
I have no way to diagnose that but it could be anything. Maybe the spring is worn out or broken. Maybe it’s attached incorrectly. Maybe the rocker arm isn’t put on the right way. Maybe the spring or screw adjustment assembly isn’t meant for that pedal and is the wrong length.
great video. my pedal doesn't reset. if i press the pedal, the drum beater doesn't bounce back. How do I set it up? I am a guitar player w/ electric drums and I've tried the tension spring that you explain in this video and also the part just above that which requires a drum key.
Aonic Guitar hmmm. That's a tough thing to diagnose based on that information. What kind of pedal is it? What kind of kick pad? The best guess I can give is that maybe the screw that is at the top of the spring where it connect to the rest of the pedal is stripped. This will cause the pedal to disregard the spring tension. Just a guess at this point.
+Ryan Alexander Bloom I think that's what happened. I'll bring it in and see if it's salvageable. Thanks mate.
Simple and straight to the point! The fact is all these pedals are badly conceived, the foot anatomy is not addressed! the foot ROTATES around a point a few inches from the rear heel, and all these pedals are missing that point! As a result and/or consequence almost ALL drummers adopt a heel up tech, I can only remember one model made by a French Company {ASBA} in the 70s which was actually using an adjustable sole bearing rotating point [ you could control with your heel the back up motion!!!]and many other features that I never saw again...I actually use two simple SONOR pedals [double bass drums] and FOCUS ON THE SPRING !... they are all different, and change the overall feel, regardless of the tension...
This point you raise might be why lots of drummers are moving to longboards these days. A longer footboard would necessarily move the hinge back. I think your assumption that heel up playing is caused by the position of the hinge is not accurate. That is mostly about freedom of movement and the extra power benefit and would be the case on any pedal.
+Ryan Alexander Bloom thanks to discuss that point, you may be right, it could be pretty much that the fact that most drummers are reluctant to play heel down, more difficult, and so more easy to use one's leg weight, heel up, to get more power, [a beginner approach] that the manufacturers assume everyone needs to play heel up ? LOL ! The solution to that problem is to create a pedal using magnets, not springs, and adjustable axis rotation point, under a long board!
I know of only one magnetic return pedal ever made and it looks like its poorly conceived. The magnet only pushes upward and if you exceed the range of motion there is a hard backstop that just abruptly stop the pedal motion. The best thing about springs is that they move the pedal both forward and backward in order to come to rest at a point in the middle. This rebounds your stroke but also smoothly allows the pedal to work like a pendulum. If the beater goes past the mid point of the stroke toward the back side, the spring returns it to the front. This is how drummers are capable of playing extremely fast. They utilize the natural spring-loaded swing of the pedal. IF the magnetic pedal had an additional magnet that could provide this forward rebound and allow for smooth constant oscillation, then yeah magnets would be fine. As it stands, the magnetic pedal idea is only half developed. I think manufacturers make pedals the way they do because this is the way they've been made for 100 years. They assume this is how they are supposed to work. Heel up playing, on the other hand, has little to do with the pedals in my opinion. You have to use heel up to gain the power that is necessary to project your sound off of the stage... unless you know of a way to build a pedal that will increase your volume to the point where that is not the case.
+Ryan Alexander Bloom You made your point of view very clear, your passion is contagious! Interestingly, I never had a problem with the volume/power of my bass drums!? I am not promoting heel up tech, or down tech, I advice my students to be able to use both! But I notice that, when playing latino beats, I almost never used heel up, so, I understand that a louder style of drumming, like metal, does require a heel up tech to produce max power! I noticed as well, that 90% of drummers using exclusively heel up tech, lack precision and control, and this specially when making double strokes, as it sounds like it is the pedal to decide how tight is the double stroking, see my point?
Thank you. What tension would you recommend for playing John Bonham style? For example, The Immigrant Song and Good Times, Bad Times.
It depends on what technique you use for playing the main beat in Immigrant Song. I would personally play it with my usual medium tight spring tension because I typically play those "doubles" as two fast singles. If I switch it up, I go for slide technique which works great at a medium to tight tension. I see no reason that playing Zeppelin would require loose springs unless you really wanted to play heel-toe or somer other strange thing that Bonham never did.
I've been leaning slide foot
hey man my beater seems to rest a lot closer to the drum when my foot isnt on the pedal. The new pedals i've seen have the beater resting a lot further back. How can i fix this and what effect will it have?
+thefivepoints depending on the pedal, there is usually an adjustment for this either where the beater shaft attaches to the rest of the pedal, or above the spring where the bearings attache to the rest of the pedal. So, on this mapex pedal in the video, you can see a drum key type screw sitting vertically on top directly above the spring to the right of the beater. On my iron cobras it has both so that you can adjust things independently... but most pedals have at least one of these two adjustments. You want to have a good amount of distance between the beater and the head because otherwise you will not be able to generate any power and you will have a hard time getting rebound and not burying the beater. ua-cam.com/video/gu7C2v6YQ1c/v-deo.html this video is about that exactly.
Hi Ryan, What amount of tension would you suggest for a beginner drummer? It seems like tighter might be better, at least at first, until speed develops.
most beginners seem to have trouble playing a tight pedal at first, but then again developing a habit if playing on an extremely loose pedal is not good unless you specifically know you will need that setting for most of your playing later. I would recommend playing at whatever setting you can play the most easily and consistently at first, then slowly adjusting toward the best setting for the type of playing you end up wanting to do the most later. Starting on a speed setting when you are very new is hard, but also starting on a very loose finesse setting causes a lot of people to unnecessarily bury the beater. Its a tough call.
Thanks :) I prefer rock. At this point I still can't even get the 3 beats in for Sweet Home Alabama. lol It's not rock but I like that song. I know I just need to practice to gain strength. I am impatient and want to play everything now :D
Get a few lessons and learn all the note values. Will help a lot.
Bonnie Sanders Sweet Home Alabama is classic southern rock
What about petal height? I have speed cobras, and I can adjust petal height without effecting beater distance. Any advice on that?
All Iron Cobras can do that and it is a nice feature. You should simply make sure that your footboard is not hitting the baseplate or clamp underneath at the bottom of your stroke. If it's clearing all obstacles below, it should be fine. I cannot think of a reason to raise it much higher than what is clear and unobstructed.
hey there ... thanks for this - what would you recommend for fast melodic punk rock and using the double stroke slide technique? More or better less spring tension? cheers mate.
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J4NN3K I think it’s easier with a little tighter tension. Too loose and you have to work really hard to pick your foot up after each stroke.
hey.. thanks mate - i though so .. let's see how i'm gonna manage that with my elephant feet :)
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low tension, 45 degrees beater angle. dw9000. Makes it comfostable to play fast one foot doubles and still OK for a quiet play.
What kind of setting do you like for quick doubles?
Tight ish.
great video. makes sense, but it's seem to me, when I loosen my spring all the way, the beaters hit harder and I'm feel faster. when I tighten my spring very tight, it takes alot off effort to get a hard strike. my pedal is a very cheap Mapex double bass. and I can't seem to get the feel I want. maybe I just need a better pedal. cause what you explained seemed to make more sense to me.
The mapex pedal in the video is really low end and it feels terrible at any spring tension more than about halfway. I used it in the video just as a prop basically. I've personally never had luck with even the top end mapex double pedals...
Mapex pedals leave a lot to be desired. They have their place but you get what you pay for.
The mapex falcon I'm actually liking better than the DW 9002 and pearl eliminator right now. Much more comfortable heel plate than the nubby DW 9000 one and longer footboard feels more comfy too.
+Ryan Alexander Bloom I actually just bought a pearl demonator. it makes a HUGE difference. my timing is a lot better now too.
+Larry Tate I have a student with a falcon and one downside we found is that it very poorly accommodates different bass drum hoops. Switching it from wood to metal totally didn't work at all. Unplayable on a drum with an old metal hoop.
When i play gigs with no mic i have to hit hard on pedal... If spring is too loose i dont even feel the pedal board under my foot i need extra rebound i put at max (i would have tight more!)and the beater is as far back as in can go without hittin my leg i have a lot of power! 💪
francesco recupero yeah that sounds about right.
I’m a beginner drummer and I only kick once on Beat 1 & Beat 3 or “4 on the Floor” (Kicking once on Beats 1,2,3, & 4). I usually play between 60-120 bpm.
What tension would you recommend? Thank you for the video, much appreciated. 🥁🤠🥁
John Smith if you don’t have strong needs or preferences I’d say medium tension. Don’t want to go extreme before you develop a certain technique or specific application.
Ryan Alexander Bloom Thank You so much for your expert advice, I will use medium tension. Thanks again!
What would your suggestion be for playing fast but controlled? If that makes sense.
If fast is going to be part of your repertoire, you sort of want to go tighter. I typically play 4-5 threads back from full tension on Iron Cobras. This may mean something slightly different on other pedals, but it's pretty tight. The pedal in this video goes so tight you can't even play it... So a reasonable tension on it is realistically many more threads from full tension. Like 2/3 of the tension possible is the actual max playable tension. It's hard to describe. I guess I should get some kind of pressure gauge and give you pounds of force or Newtons or something.... But i don't have that now.
+Ryan Alexander Bloom I'm using pearl p900s and honestly I don't like em. I play metal and stuff like that. Do you think pedals can affect someone's playing? I'm trying to get back into double bass and my feet aren't where I want them to be.
+Corey Williams I personally hate most Pearl pedals. The demon drives are awful pieces of junk and I don't like the power shifter eliminators, which I play at the studio where I teach, unfortunately. The 930s are ok, but not great. That can have a lot to do with your success. The best thing you can do with 900s is to get a heavier beater or put weight on the beater to make it heavier. Counterintuitively, this will make your playing easier. The Pearls are too light across the board for fast and accurate metal playing for instance.
I just upgraded from P900s to a Tama Speed Cobra. What I found: The new pedal sticks to my foot through more technical playing and has much better, consistent attack and volume. Even on tighter settings I found my foot separating from the pedal on the Pearls. I do think skill is the biggest factor, but if you've been playing a long time on the Pearls you'll appreciate the upgrade. Pedals are expensive though, wouldn't have bought the single Tama pedal if I didn't get it for $80.
OK. I pretty much use a combo on all three. But overall I would say I'm mostly heel up.
Would you change your spring tension every time you play different styles? Say, if I do a jazz gig, should I keep my spring tension loose? And then on my double pedals (metal), keep them tighter? Thanks.
Nick nobody has ever asked that before. Weird. I would personally just play a different pedal entirely. My normal pedals are set up for metal, but if I had to play an acoustic gig I'd also need to change my beaters back to felt from rubber too. In a theoretical sense, yeah if I had to play the same pedal on successive gigs, acoustic combo jazz and metal I think loosening the tension a bit for the jazz gig might help me play more authenticity in that setting.
Yea, that makes sense. For my jazz gigs, I just use a pedal with about medium spring tension, but I guess it couldn't hurt to go looser to help with feathering. Hadn't really messed with it so much since I'm not playing the bass drum as much versus a style like metal. I was also thinking about whether that would affect muscle memory by using a looser spring tension on one pedal for a different style, a la jazz, versus a tight spring tension for something like metal. But I guess only if one were using a single pedal with loose tension and doing a lot of exercises, then going back to the double pedal and doing exercises with that. Maybe that would throw one off.
Nick it might be weird to switch constantly around between spring tensions. It could cause some technique issues. I don't know many drummers who gig regularly in multiple unrelated genres. That exists, but it's pretty rare. Usually the jazz guys play some funk and blues but rarely metal and the metal guys might play rock or punk or something but a true master of every style probably has their pedal settings down anyway and doesn't need advice from me... right? The default I guess ought to be whatever setting you're most comfortable at or whatever you'll use the most. These guidelines in this video are for people who haven't yet found what works, theoretically the main audience here is still hunting for their favorite setting or someone who is having problems with what used to be their favorite setting. Anyway, it's a complicated issue, of course.
Ryan Alexander Bloom Yes, that is true. I might be biting off more than I can chew by trying to play in both of those genres. I believe what you are saying makes the most sense. I've tinkered for years on double bass settings and it seems the tighter settings would work best for playing fast like you say. Thanks for your input. Greatly enjoy the channel.
what about kick pedal with squeaking noises. Is there's squeaking noise on your pedal while playing fast?
Try a bit of oil. Mine squeak every couple of years, but I’ve literally had the same tiny bottle of oil for over a decade. A little drop here and there usually solves the problem. Be sure to use oil though, not silicone, wd40, or other weird products that may corrode or leave a residue. Tama sold “pedal oil” for a while but I think there are other things that will work.
@@RyanAlexanderBloom oh thanks but how many drops on a oil to a pedal?
Rusli1659 LP Soldier until it stops squeaking. Locate the squeak then try 1 drop at a time until it’s gone. 1 might do it if you get the right spot. Usually for me it’s the connecting rod between the two pedals on my double.
@@RyanAlexanderBloom oh thanks but idk what location of the kick pedal must be squeaking?
Top of a tension rod?
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I don't even remember commenting this
I wasted months of my time thinking loose spring tension will allow me play easier and faster.Wanna play 280bpm +? Spring tension to the max.Hammers far away.Derek Roddy ,George Collias pedals.Look at them.Learn.
Just asking, does anyone recommend a tension setting for modern "hard rock" music??
I recommend medium to tight. I would only say loose tension for playing very quietly with a ton of control, which is not the "hard rock" paradigm.
Ryan Alexander Bloom thanks heaps mate!
Ryan Alexander Bloom I've always played spring loose and I use my whole leg phil rudd style. maybe I shood switch it up. I can only hit real hard with spring almost coming off the screw.why is that?
Clnt874 probably because you don't play with any kind of actual technique. I can only guess here, but it sounds like you probably don't use your ankle much. In correctly played heel-up strokes there is a significant amount of ankle motion, in addition to moving your whole leg. The leg provides a lot of the power but if you have a locked foot and ankle you cannot generate enough speed to play really loudly without expending a ton of effort and needing a loose spring tension. This probably also slows down the maximum tempo that you can pull off complicated patterns as well. Again, just guessing based off your short comment.
I practiced with tight tension, but now can't able to play with loose ...
So, do you think that to play at high speed with double drum pedal, it would help me to tighten the spring at an 80%, for example?
Depends on you and your particular pedal... but yeah. That would be a pretty good place to start.
It is a Pearl. A regular one, not an Eliminator or any of these higher quality series. Does this make mine less efficient to play faster as well?
Thanks for your quick response. :)
Not necessarily. I am not familiar with Pearl's entire line of pedals, but sometimes the lower level pedals from a brand are still solid pedals. They may lack some of the adjustments or flashy features is all. I know most people prefer dw5000 over the higher numbered 9000 but on the other hand the iron cobra jr is crap compared to the real iron cobra... so its a toss up I guess.
Ryan Alexander Bloom I have the last question (it is a difficult one). Can my problem be, apart from my need to improve my technique and find a good setup for my pedals, the fact that I have lost a lot of muscular mass on my legs? I started studying like 3 years ago, and started playing again with a band like 3 months ago. I mean, have you ever felt very sloppy playing the bass drum, after some time without playing drums?
The problem is that I cannot practice the bass drum in my house, since I don't have a place to do it. And practicing without pedals doesn't seem to be effective enough.
In which tension should the slide technique be easier?
I think it is easier at higher spring tensions, but the great thing about slide is that it is fairly easy at any spring tension and on any pedal, even on toy pedals made for little kids. I find that heel-toe requires a fairly specific loose setting to work at its best, which is less convenient.
Interesting... all the people I know who play heel-toe use a very loose tension and they have trouble playing singles fast because of it. Maybe they are doing it wrong, but they sound really good doing it. I would have assumed they were doing it right.
Yeah it's good to have a high tension that can hold the weight of your resting leg on it for heel toe. t
George kolias
What about Kolias? He plays singles mostly, so whats the relevance?
Good video! But I just resently loosened the tension to between loose and medium I can go faster than I could with tight tension. I can do 32nd notes at 300 bpm :)
If you are going to make up a number to sound cool, at least pick a number that makes sense. George Kollias has a video where he plays 16th notes at 280 and that is blisteringly fast. Are you trying to say that one of the top metal drummers in the world is only 46% as fast as you? It sounds that way.
I ment 16th notes and I didn't make up a number up out of thin air to make myself look cool dipshit. 1 you don't
know me or my capabilities 2 mind your business and stop being a troll and 3 I don't have a video camara right now to show you but as soon as I do you will be the first to know. Until then shut your troll mouth. I will not respond to anymore of your rants because trolling is for the weak minded and insecure. Have a good day
Its pretty much impossible to be a troll on your own video comment section. Also, lots of people tell me how good they are but they don't have any videos to prove it. That is a pretty common response and I never believe it. Its not just you. You can reply or not as you like...
Troy Drummer Allen Yeah sure. And shit tastes good...
Whatever you say bruh. To each their own so whatever I was done with this convo before. Just because you can't do them don't mean I can't hense the reason there are different levels of drumming even the slowest people understand that......
Thanks but could you tell mme how to tighten the thing first xD!
My tension is set what I can assume without looking almost all the way tight, and it's very very difficult to play with any speed at all. The way this is laid out doesn't make much sense to me for a practical application. :/
Like I said it depends on the pedal. All the way tight on some pedals is effectively much tighter than on others. There is no standard ft/lb of torque or something by which you can gauge. You have to make the decision of what is reasonable for the pedal you have. The basic concept here is solid though.