Jon, nicely done, and stellar finish! I’m not sure if that was on purpose but it is great that you explain to stay calm and expect the bad to happen. That is part of the hobby. Cheers
It definitely wasn't purposeful to drop it into the water, but that's why I bring spare airplanes so I can push one of them back to short if they flip over.
Love your 3D flying the TT Evo but gotta watch the motor and ESC temps even normal flying. I partially melted the motor mount and locked the motor up as well. Luckily the damage wasn't bad enough to junk the fuse and all. I repositioned the ESC more forward and opened up the bottom of the cowling to aid cooling. Runs MUCHO cooler.
@@TwoBrosRC I own the Proboat Recovery Tug after damaging my Turbo Timber with my Carbon Z Cub SS trying the same thing you did however I was much further away and at dusk. The Tug has an auxiliary light system providing 100,000 lumen and a onboard fpv camera. It has 14 recoverys now saving over 10k in RC aircraft. Well worth the $$ spent in my book
Nice Jon, some nice water landings. I had the same thing happen to my maule m7 too. Lol. I guess it caught me sleeping.😄 I really want this timber evolution. I haven't flown it yet but I have the old org. timber.
Great water landings. Great tips. Any tips or videos for water landing a dynam pby catalina? Have done many wading, swimming , kayaking retrievals with that catalina.
Well done! Great flight! Can’t wait to get mine soon! Too bad you dunked her! 🤣 ehh it’s ok she just needed a wash! Great job on the recovery! Haha I would’ve just had to swim out to get it!
@@TwoBrosRC Ahhaha yeah that would stink! Although the lake I go to WAS, (not anymore) backed up to our family’s cattle pasture so it was loaded with poo at the bottoms but it’s still a nice lake 😂
After watching a bunch of your videos (happily so) I realized you're in CARY?!?!? I'm very close. Hopefully I can run into you some time!!! As always love the videos, especially the water content!
Yup, we live in Cary. This was filmed at Loch Lomond off Kildaire Farm Road. We usually fly from Symphony Lake or Lake Lochmere though. Happy you enjoy!
Hello Jon 👋 excellent flying I love watching the evolution perform these maneuvers! Jon I noticed that your using a 2 blade prop what size is it? Your friend Marty from Canada 🇨🇦 🛩 🛩
many pilots of the TT Evolution like using the 13 x 4 sport props. I believe that is what he's using. it gives better efficiency and thrust output than the stock 3 blade one.
Iv snapped the white plastic motor mount at the front of my timber evo. It’s only a crack but enough to make the prop wobble when I give it some throttle. Will ordinary super glue be strong enough to hold that kind of plastic together considering where it is and what it has to stand up too? Do you know of a glue that will hold?I don’t think I can buy the piece unless I buy a whole fuselage. Thanks for any help Jon
Super glue definitely won't be strong enough to hold that - it'll break quickly. You could reinforce it with a piece of metal by screwing the metal into the plastic, or use Gorilla Glue to bond metal to it to strengthen it. Alternatively, a new fuselage is probably in order.
Hey Jon, love your vid’s. What packs are you running in your Evo? Some of the cheaper batteries sag so horribly. I was wondering if anything cheaper than Spektrums can handle the timber at full throttle?
Thanks! To clarify, just spray on all electronics and service etc? Have you sprayed on battery leads and do you worry about shorting them out if wet before product dries?
I have a turbo timber evolution and have been flying it for awhile. Now that spring is here I got back to flying it more. I always fly off of the water. However, I have been having trouble from keeping the plane from flipping over on landing. I’ve always landed smoothly before adding the slats. Then I added slats to it and it seems like it keeps flipping on me and I don’t know what the issue is. My water rudders seem straight but I’m worried the slats are generating extra lift during a crosswind and causing the plane to flip. Any ideas? Im thinking about removing the slats because I don’t like the flight performance with them
If the plane is flipping, it's because the floats are digging into the water. Hold back elevator pressure and it should lift the floats up enough to stop that from happening. The slats likely have little to do with it.
There is no difference between flaps and snap flaps. Snap flaps refers to a mix where pulling the elevator makes the flaps drop. Crow is ailerons up with flaps down.
Great video, the number of landings you squeezed-in was impressive. How do you pick a landing point when you have the whole lake to work with? The super long winded (haha, flying is my life) reason I ask…. When I was a kid struggling to land the T-38A consistently, the L Flight Scheduler (Vance AFB,1989) randomly scheduled me with a more experienced IP, who taught me how to land. Truth is, in military training commands and the civil universe, landings are dissected, scored, graded, bet-on, and even admired. In the tactical world, landings are treated as "Admin." A flight lead is never going to spend time reviewing his wingmen's landing tapes. Why? Because they are present in the debrief. That said, the difference between civil and military visual patterns/landings is important: *Civil:* fly on a fixed track trough space. Fly a box or straight-in to a 2.5 to .03 degree "apparent" glideslope pointing at the numbers, level off, touchdown somewhere in the first half of the RWY. Adjust your pitch and power settings for winds. *Military:* Fly to a Perch Point that is adjusted for winds. Everything after that point is flown identical. Glidepath is a "true" 3 degrees, every time, but every pattern looks different from an outside perspective, based on winds. You touch down on the same RWY brick, every time. So in the civil pattern, if you visualize the actual 3D track the plane flies through through space by taking away winds, every pattern looks completely different. In the military pattern, if you take away winds, every pattern looks identical. It's the outside perspective that changes. Extreme example: let's say you have a headwind that matches your approach speed (entirely possible in RC): *Civil:* you fly an apparent 3 degree glidepath using full power-ish (who knows?) and an almost level pitch picture ( again, who knows?). We have no idea what pitch and power settings will work pattern to pattern, so learning is ruled-out. *Military:* You adjust the Perch Point for winds and, in this extreme case, you would wind up flying an apparent 90 degree glidepath with the same pitch and power settings as always, same elevator trim setting, and same decent rate. The true glide path is still 3 degrees. Essentially, the civil pilot lands for the first time, every time. The military pilot lands the n+1 time. Every landing gets better because the previous actual touchdown point delta drives the same delta input to the next Perch Point. Also important to RC is to choose an exact landing spot (for a T-38/fighter that's 700 feet from the threshold), which is why these water landings look difficult to me.
I shoot for directly in front of me, but that's always contingent upon winds. Since it isn't a full scale model and it does get affected by wind loading on the wings, it can be tricky to land in the same position every time. I go for what works rather than any manual-like suggestions when it comes to float flying. Any mistake can lead to a tip-over and a nasty chance of swimming in lake water, or having to push a model back to shore like I did with the Cub.
I have had my turbo timber evo flip over twice similarly to this. No damage. But both times “because the motor got wet” it cases the motor to short out or something and it started smoking. If not caught and disconnected from battery in time, it melts the plastic motor mount area and the entire fuselage is then damaged….why?
contaminants in the water? c'mon...that has to be the worst answer I have ever heard...Theres gotta be something else going on....bad battery? bad ESC? I am using a 3300mAh batter thats almost new. Please help. I am on my second fuselage because the first time my issue happened, it melted the front of the plane. I got this thing a few months ago and these issues should not be happening@@TwoBrosRC
Horizon says it's done with a curved mix. 0 to 79% elevator input produces no flap response. At 80% elevator input, flaps deploy linearly to 100% (or 150% in my case) producing a snap pitch response. Mine are simply mixed 100% to 100% meaning elevator pulled results in a 1-1 flap deployment. The long story short is that I get flaps on-demand for pitching up quickly in a cobra-like maneuver so I can immediately begin hovering without gaining altitude.
not to brag but, could also bring a fishing pole and a rubber lure with a few weights and cast over top of the plane to retreive. good flight otherwise.
Jon, nicely done, and stellar finish! I’m not sure if that was on purpose but it is great that you explain to stay calm and expect the bad to happen. That is part of the hobby. Cheers
It definitely wasn't purposeful to drop it into the water, but that's why I bring spare airplanes so I can push one of them back to short if they flip over.
Love 💗 them water landings! I agree going forward all planes should have that reverse thrust system!
Love your 3D flying the TT Evo but gotta watch the motor and ESC temps even normal flying. I partially melted the motor mount and locked the motor up as well. Luckily the damage wasn't bad enough to junk the fuse and all. I repositioned the ESC more forward and opened up the bottom of the cowling to aid cooling. Runs MUCHO cooler.
We only had that issue on the original blue TT. The Evo with a 13x4 prop has been basically issue-free with heat.
Love that setup floats look good painted
Very cool, and yes it does happen. Enjoyed watching 🛩🛩
Yes it does! Happens to everyone. It's good to know *how* to get it back without swimming too. ;)
@@TwoBrosRC I own the Proboat Recovery Tug after damaging my Turbo Timber with my Carbon Z Cub SS trying the same thing you did however I was much further away and at dusk. The Tug has an auxiliary light system providing 100,000 lumen and a onboard fpv camera. It has 14 recoverys now saving over 10k in RC aircraft. Well worth the $$ spent in my book
Very nice flying, and advice.
Nice Jon, some nice water landings. I had the same thing happen to my maule m7 too. Lol. I guess it caught me sleeping.😄 I really want this timber evolution. I haven't flown it yet but I have the old org. timber.
It'll happen every time if the floats dig into the water - just something to watch out for!
Great water landings. Great tips. Any tips or videos for water landing a dynam pby catalina? Have done many wading, swimming , kayaking retrievals with that catalina.
Hop on Discord via bit.ly/TBRCDiscord and we'll gladly help out there - it's a little more complicated than a single YT comment thread.
I like how the video emphasizes the need for practice practice practice.
Because that's all there is to it. Practice is everything.
Well done! Great flight! Can’t wait to get mine soon! Too bad you dunked her! 🤣 ehh it’s ok she just needed a wash! Great job on the recovery! Haha I would’ve just had to swim out to get it!
Hell no on swimming in that water. It's all runoff water and it's full of duck and goose guano. No thanks. Recovery plane to the rescue!
@@TwoBrosRC Ahhaha yeah that would stink! Although the lake I go to WAS, (not anymore) backed up to our family’s cattle pasture so it was loaded with poo at the bottoms but it’s still a nice lake 😂
After watching a bunch of your videos (happily so) I realized you're in CARY?!?!? I'm very close. Hopefully I can run into you some time!!! As always love the videos, especially the water content!
Yup, we live in Cary. This was filmed at Loch Lomond off Kildaire Farm Road. We usually fly from Symphony Lake or Lake Lochmere though. Happy you enjoy!
Small world. I'm close too and have been to H18 a few times. I'm a no-talent hack of a pilot though, lol.
@olliehughes6774 hey im a hack pilot too! Lol
Nice video very good, tank you!
Hello Jon 👋 excellent flying I love watching the evolution perform these maneuvers! Jon I noticed that your using a 2 blade prop what size is it? Your friend Marty from Canada 🇨🇦 🛩 🛩
many pilots of the TT Evolution like using the 13 x 4 sport props. I believe that is what he's using. it gives better efficiency and thrust output than the stock 3 blade one.
did you paint the float kit ! or it's a plastic float ? nice video high quality! 👍 really like the timber evo !
Thanks! They're painted with Krylon silver metallic spray paint.
@@TwoBrosRC thank you my friend ! Happy christmas ! 💙👍
Iv snapped the white plastic motor mount at the front of my timber evo. It’s only a crack but enough to make the prop wobble when I give it some throttle. Will ordinary super glue be strong enough to hold that kind of plastic together considering where it is and what it has to stand up too? Do you know of a glue that will hold?I don’t think I can buy the piece unless I buy a whole fuselage. Thanks for any help Jon
Super glue definitely won't be strong enough to hold that - it'll break quickly. You could reinforce it with a piece of metal by screwing the metal into the plastic, or use Gorilla Glue to bond metal to it to strengthen it. Alternatively, a new fuselage is probably in order.
Very nice Flight!!! What Battery do you use?
4s 2200
Tanks!!!
Hey Jon, love your vid’s. What packs are you running in your Evo? Some of the cheaper batteries sag so horribly. I was wondering if anything cheaper than Spektrums can handle the timber at full throttle?
Hi Jake! I'm using Spektrum 4s 2200 30c packs in this vid. They seem to perform well enough.
Just curious, are you doing all this flying with no as3x, just your own radio tuning?
We use the stock gyro setup the Timber comes with.
Any thoughts of using marine motors or waterproof set is and electronics for this? I would fly out of our marina which is salt water.
Using CorrosionX should work.
Thanks! To clarify, just spray on all electronics and service etc? Have you sprayed on battery leads and do you worry about shorting them out if wet before product dries?
Thanks for the suggestion. How do you apply to motors, ESC, servos, batteries. Do you spray it on directly, soak it?
Och, hoots Mon, therz a Loch Lomond in th' You Ess of A as well as Scotland?
Oi, yea.
It’s nice to watch a guy who can actually fly. I will be purchasing this exact setup and turning that annoying voice feature to
OFF 👍
I have a turbo timber evolution and have been flying it for awhile. Now that spring is here I got back to flying it more. I always fly off of the water. However, I have been having trouble from keeping the plane from flipping over on landing. I’ve always landed smoothly before adding the slats. Then I added slats to it and it seems like it keeps flipping on me and I don’t know what the issue is. My water rudders seem straight but I’m worried the slats are generating extra lift during a crosswind and causing the plane to flip. Any ideas? Im thinking about removing the slats because I don’t like the flight performance with them
If the plane is flipping, it's because the floats are digging into the water. Hold back elevator pressure and it should lift the floats up enough to stop that from happening. The slats likely have little to do with it.
What's the difference between flaps and snap flaps please? Also, what is crow? Sorry I am a heli guy.
There is no difference between flaps and snap flaps. Snap flaps refers to a mix where pulling the elevator makes the flaps drop. Crow is ailerons up with flaps down.
@@TwoBrosRC thank you and keep up the channel!
Great video, the number of landings you squeezed-in was impressive. How do you pick a landing point when you have the whole lake to work with? The super long winded (haha, flying is my life) reason I ask….
When I was a kid struggling to land the T-38A consistently, the L Flight Scheduler (Vance AFB,1989) randomly scheduled me with a more experienced IP, who taught me how to land.
Truth is, in military training commands and the civil universe, landings are dissected, scored, graded, bet-on, and even admired. In the tactical world, landings are treated as "Admin." A flight lead is never going to spend time reviewing his wingmen's landing tapes. Why? Because they are present in the debrief.
That said, the difference between civil and military visual patterns/landings is important:
*Civil:* fly on a fixed track trough space. Fly a box or straight-in to a 2.5 to .03 degree "apparent" glideslope pointing at the numbers, level off, touchdown somewhere in the first half of the RWY. Adjust your pitch and power settings for winds.
*Military:* Fly to a Perch Point that is adjusted for winds. Everything after that point is flown identical. Glidepath is a "true" 3 degrees, every time, but every pattern looks different from an outside perspective, based on winds. You touch down on the same RWY brick, every time.
So in the civil pattern, if you visualize the actual 3D track the plane flies through through space by taking away winds, every pattern looks completely different. In the military pattern, if you take away winds, every pattern looks identical. It's the outside perspective that changes.
Extreme example: let's say you have a headwind that matches your approach speed (entirely possible in RC):
*Civil:* you fly an apparent 3 degree glidepath using full power-ish (who knows?) and an almost level pitch picture ( again, who knows?). We have no idea what pitch and power settings will work pattern to pattern, so learning is ruled-out.
*Military:* You adjust the Perch Point for winds and, in this extreme case, you would wind up flying an apparent 90 degree glidepath with the same pitch and power settings as always, same elevator trim setting, and same decent rate. The true glide path is still 3 degrees.
Essentially, the civil pilot lands for the first time, every time. The military pilot lands the n+1 time. Every landing gets better because the previous actual touchdown point delta drives the same delta input to the next Perch Point.
Also important to RC is to choose an exact landing spot (for a T-38/fighter that's 700 feet from the threshold), which is why these water landings look difficult to me.
I shoot for directly in front of me, but that's always contingent upon winds. Since it isn't a full scale model and it does get affected by wind loading on the wings, it can be tricky to land in the same position every time. I go for what works rather than any manual-like suggestions when it comes to float flying. Any mistake can lead to a tip-over and a nasty chance of swimming in lake water, or having to push a model back to shore like I did with the Cub.
Jon's 'long winded'? 🤯
I have had my turbo timber evo flip over twice similarly to this. No damage. But both times “because the motor got wet” it cases the motor to short out or something and it started smoking. If not caught and disconnected from battery in time, it melts the plastic motor mount area and the entire fuselage is then damaged….why?
It's a brushless motor, so it's basically waterproof. If it's smoking, that could be due to contaminants in the water.
contaminants in the water? c'mon...that has to be the worst answer I have ever heard...Theres gotta be something else going on....bad battery? bad ESC? I am using a 3300mAh batter thats almost new. Please help. I am on my second fuselage because the first time my issue happened, it melted the front of the plane. I got this thing a few months ago and these issues should not be happening@@TwoBrosRC
We're not Horizon support. Try reaching out to them.
My tte landed with the nose going under for a sec but stayed up right ,my throttle, motor isn't working now ???? What could be rong?
Try reconnecting it.
Your grammar is wrong
😱😭 oh nooo.
👀
What are “snap flaps”?
Horizon says it's done with a curved mix. 0 to 79% elevator input produces no flap response. At 80% elevator input, flaps deploy linearly to 100% (or 150% in my case) producing a snap pitch response. Mine are simply mixed 100% to 100% meaning elevator pulled results in a 1-1 flap deployment. The long story short is that I get flaps on-demand for pitching up quickly in a cobra-like maneuver so I can immediately begin hovering without gaining altitude.
@@TwoBrosRC thanks for your explanation. You are a wizard with that radio!
not to brag but, could also bring a fishing pole and a rubber lure with a few weights and cast over top of the plane to retreive. good flight otherwise.
You could do that, but thrust reverse on another model works pretty well too.
If you flip will it ruin your plane?
Nope.
@@TwoBrosRC ok thanks
Are you solo flyer? How did you enjoy if solo flyer?
I fly by myself, yes. I tend to prefer that.
Why is there a wheel on them if you are landing on water😂
It's part of the plane.