@yukiomishima246 That is an excellent evaluation of Freire, and his thinly veiled agenda of using the schools to advance socialism and indoctrination. Just as John Dewey proposed, and something we are still trying to undo in the public schools. Progressive education has been a disaster for the US and we are only slowly working our way out of it.
How can asking questions and finding answers be socialism? The current tradition American educationis indoctrination that requires memorization and brainwashing that does not advance man's technological advancements. If Thomas Edison hadn't asked questions, the cell phone would have never evolved into today's world. Additionally, by design America is a socialist democracy.
@@vickiross-norris107 Not sure what your point is. Public education does not "brainwash" (you need to look up that term, to understand what it means and where it came from), and, yes, memorization is a needed function for having a working intellectual basis to exist in society. Indoctrination is such a "land mine" term that I don't know what you are referring to: Politics, Religion, Legal...? Forms of Government or Economic Systems can be forced onto people as indoctrination, but that is not always a bad thing. Asking questions is ALWAYS a great way to learn. Public Education can take credit for many of our technological advancements, but the cost has been to leave many less capable students in the dust. Finally, I don't think you will find any evidence that the USA Founders planned for a Socialist Democracy.
"Progressive" education may very well have been a disaster for education in the US (as well as perhaps the most ridiculously named scam within the last 100 years), but it has been wildly profitable for the by now entrenched education elite in our country. "Progressive" education has served to build an ever-increasing divide between inner-city schools (where it is most often practiced) and suburban schools, and has justified ever-increasing funding for schools that are literally designed to fail.
Progressive schools are rare in the U.S. The philosophy is never about standardized tests rampant in public schools. Search the first sentence for more explanation by Kohn.
@@guitaracole81 I think you misinterpret what is meant by "progressive." Think more in terms of the progressive course of a disease. A progressive school is one in which teachers are not held to any standards other than loyalty to their union, and students will graduate with a proper Marxist background, but not necessarily with the ability to do simple arithmetic or read. Someone who is meant to loot shops of the petty bourgeoisie doesn't need to be literate, and having a student who can make change will only tempt them to try to conform to society and get a job.
Fair enough. But it's one thing to identify the pedagogy of Left fascism, another to actively combat it. How does one meaningfully deal with the color-based class racism and Marxist evangelicism of the fascist Left, when individuals like Paolo Freire have such wide acceptance amongst the wealthy leaders of the US education monopoly?
The rotten fruit will eventually implode upon itself. Fortunately many will have to suffer in between now and then. I was teaching English as a second language at a suburban Catholic parish west of Detroit. Most of my students are children of immigrants from Mexico and Latin America. I invited a neighbor who lived two doors down from me to help teach. She is Mexican-American. By the third session she brought someone who I did not know to assist. I was just happy to have another volunteer. After a few more sessions, he approached me with Pedagogy of the Oppressed. I asked him not to come back and he and my neighbor showed up the very next week. When I told him my relatives fought in the Greek civil War against the Communists. When they caught one of their own relatives who was a communist General they hung him from a tree. I told him so now you understand where I'm coming from. They never returned thank God I don't advocate violence but we still have Greek relatives in the former Soviet Union from Czech Rep and Slovakia to Ukraine. Freire teaches Marxism plain and simple. I've grown up in between Detroit and Ann Arbor and saturated with Marxist writings and teaching since I was a kid. Class warfare, oppressor versus oppressed Telltale songs of marxist darkness. Marxism is infested the Democratic party since the 1920s and 30s. Most Americans that are infected with cultural Marxism may be well-intentioned and nice people. Like the broken clock they're only right twice a day.
@@timfronimos459 Maybe the slow and gullible ones have no idea, but the multimillionaires and their trust fund socialist babies who violently push this crap know exactly what they're up to. "Liberating the oppressed" is the con they use on suckers. They think of themselves as our natural overlords and of us as cattle. "Liberation" for us is the furthest thing from their minds. Next time, listen critically to the way they address you and talk to you - patronizing, condescending, arrogant beyond belief. Whether or not you want to go along with them, it's never a conversation, it's always a one-way transmission. Thinking that their stupid, outrageously nonsensical ideology is devised through ignorance is a mistake. They know exactly what they are doing. The usefulness of Marxism to such people is the pseudo-ethical system it provides to justify mass terrorism, institutional thievery, slavery and mass murder. A socialist is not more trying to "liberate" you than the old slave masters though they were bringing Africans out of barbarism by forcing them to work to death in cotton and tobacco fields. And just in case you think that's a strained analogy, guess how communist China has managed to become a major cotton exporter. Look it up. It's not just nonsense. Public school education is over a half trillion dollar business, all controlled tightly by teacher unions. And that only count K-12; high school and college education together account for even more. And that carries over into every component of the white collar world. That's why the Left controls the media, including social media, the entitlements industry, the US federal and many state bureaucracies, the legal profession, and increasingly the medical profession. None of this is about helping anyone but themselves. They have leveraged themselves to control the educated elite, and has made it very clear that anyone who doesn't play ball will soon be out of a job. For those who do prove useful, they promise a place among the apparatchiks. You'd better be careful. People like that don't take rejection well.
@dagstidning BUR REALY. U SHUD READ DA BOOK BAYBAY. Freire never claimed that Pedagogy of the Oppressed was in any way radical. It was and still is the people on top of the educational system's political ladder that claimed it was radical. To those outside the educational system who are in favor of Freire's philosophy, it's radical because it isn't implemented. Terminology, dude. Also, you basically accidentally said that the Socratic method isn't critical. HERP DERP DERP
Are you still a fan of Paulo Freire's methods of introducing marxian privillage/oppression dynamics into children's education in order to "liberate" everyone from any stabilizing structure of identity, family, or tradition? Do you feel liberated yet?
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@yukiomishima246 That is an excellent evaluation of Freire, and his thinly veiled agenda of using the schools to advance socialism and indoctrination.
Just as John Dewey proposed, and something we are still trying to undo in the public schools.
Progressive education has been a disaster for the US and we are only slowly working our way out of it.
I know this is an ancient comment by internet standards, but man have things gotten worse in education. There has been no working out of it.
How can asking questions and finding answers be socialism? The current tradition American educationis indoctrination that requires memorization and brainwashing that does not advance man's technological advancements. If Thomas Edison hadn't asked questions, the cell phone would have never evolved into today's world. Additionally, by design America is a socialist democracy.
@@vickiross-norris107 Not sure what your point is. Public education does not "brainwash" (you need to look up that term, to understand what it means and where it came from), and, yes, memorization is a needed function for having a working intellectual basis to exist in society. Indoctrination is such a "land mine" term that I don't know what you are referring to: Politics, Religion, Legal...? Forms of Government or Economic Systems can be forced onto people as indoctrination, but that is not always a bad thing. Asking questions is ALWAYS a great way to learn. Public Education can take credit for many of our technological advancements, but the cost has been to leave many less capable students in the dust. Finally, I don't think you will find any evidence that the USA Founders planned for a Socialist Democracy.
"Progressive" education may very well have been a disaster for education in the US (as well as perhaps the most ridiculously named scam within the last 100 years), but it has been wildly profitable for the by now entrenched education elite in our country. "Progressive" education has served to build an ever-increasing divide between inner-city schools (where it is most often practiced) and suburban schools, and has justified ever-increasing funding for schools that are literally designed to fail.
Progressive schools are rare in the U.S. The philosophy is never about standardized tests rampant in public schools. Search the first sentence for more explanation by Kohn.
@@guitaracole81 I think you misinterpret what is meant by "progressive." Think more in terms of the progressive course of a disease. A progressive school is one in which teachers are not held to any standards other than loyalty to their union, and students will graduate with a proper Marxist background, but not necessarily with the ability to do simple arithmetic or read. Someone who is meant to loot shops of the petty bourgeoisie doesn't need to be literate, and having a student who can make change will only tempt them to try to conform to society and get a job.
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Fair enough. But it's one thing to identify the pedagogy of Left fascism, another to actively combat it. How does one meaningfully deal with the color-based class racism and Marxist evangelicism of the fascist Left, when individuals like Paolo Freire have such wide acceptance amongst the wealthy leaders of the US education monopoly?
The rotten fruit will eventually implode upon itself. Fortunately many will have to suffer in between now and then.
I was teaching English as a second language at a suburban Catholic parish west of Detroit.
Most of my students are children of immigrants from Mexico and Latin America.
I invited a neighbor who lived two doors down from me to help teach.
She is Mexican-American.
By the third session she brought someone who I did not know to assist.
I was just happy to have another volunteer.
After a few more sessions, he approached me with Pedagogy of the Oppressed.
I asked him not to come back and he and my neighbor showed up the very next week.
When I told him my relatives fought in the Greek civil War against the Communists.
When they caught one of their own relatives who was a communist General they hung him from a tree.
I told him so now you understand where I'm coming from. They never returned thank God
I don't advocate violence but we still have Greek relatives in the former Soviet Union from Czech Rep and Slovakia to Ukraine.
Freire teaches Marxism plain and simple.
I've grown up in between Detroit and Ann Arbor and saturated with Marxist writings and teaching since I was a kid.
Class warfare, oppressor versus oppressed
Telltale songs of marxist darkness.
Marxism is infested the Democratic party since the 1920s and 30s.
Most Americans that are infected with cultural Marxism may be well-intentioned and nice people. Like the broken clock they're only right twice a day.
@@timfronimos459 Maybe the slow and gullible ones have no idea, but the multimillionaires and their trust fund socialist babies who violently push this crap know exactly what they're up to. "Liberating the oppressed" is the con they use on suckers. They think of themselves as our natural overlords and of us as cattle. "Liberation" for us is the furthest thing from their minds. Next time, listen critically to the way they address you and talk to you - patronizing, condescending, arrogant beyond belief. Whether or not you want to go along with them, it's never a conversation, it's always a one-way transmission.
Thinking that their stupid, outrageously nonsensical ideology is devised through ignorance is a mistake. They know exactly what they are doing. The usefulness of Marxism to such people is the pseudo-ethical system it provides to justify mass terrorism, institutional thievery, slavery and mass murder. A socialist is not more trying to "liberate" you than the old slave masters though they were bringing Africans out of barbarism by forcing them to work to death in cotton and tobacco fields. And just in case you think that's a strained analogy, guess how communist China has managed to become a major cotton exporter. Look it up.
It's not just nonsense. Public school education is over a half trillion dollar business, all controlled tightly by teacher unions. And that only count K-12; high school and college education together account for even more. And that carries over into every component of the white collar world. That's why the Left controls the media, including social media, the entitlements industry, the US federal and many state bureaucracies, the legal profession, and increasingly the medical profession. None of this is about helping anyone but themselves. They have leveraged themselves to control the educated elite, and has made it very clear that anyone who doesn't play ball will soon be out of a job. For those who do prove useful, they promise a place among the apparatchiks.
You'd better be careful. People like that don't take rejection well.
the song playing in the background tho fiiiiiire......
@dagstidning
"Sounds". Do you even know what it is?
What is the background music?
@dagstidning
BUR REALY. U SHUD READ DA BOOK BAYBAY.
Freire never claimed that Pedagogy of the Oppressed was in any way radical. It was and still is the people on top of the educational system's political ladder that claimed it was radical. To those outside the educational system who are in favor of Freire's philosophy, it's radical because it isn't implemented. Terminology, dude.
Also, you basically accidentally said that the Socratic method isn't critical. HERP DERP DERP
Are you still a fan of Paulo Freire's methods of introducing marxian privillage/oppression dynamics into children's education in order to "liberate" everyone from any stabilizing structure of identity, family, or tradition? Do you feel liberated yet?
Thanks for nothing Friere, your Critical Theory BS is completely undermining the purpose of education in the US today.
Any doctrine and any criticism are no usefulness