Pedagogy of the Oppressed: Noam Chomsky, Howard Gardner, and Bruno della Chiesa Askwith Forum
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- Опубліковано 23 тра 2013
- On Wednesday, May 1, the Askwith Forum commemorated the 45th anniversary of the publication of Paulo Freire's "Pedagogy of the Oppressed" with a discussion about the book's impact and relevance to education today.
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James Lindsay has been highlighting this in his Podcast “New Discourses”. James goes into great detail on the crossover of the Pedagogy of the Oppressed and Marxist ideologies being taught in US School systems today. Quite alarming. I’ve been told by many of my left leaning friends Pedagogy of the Oppressed is “fake news” and “doesn’t exist”. I’m glad this was recommended to me by UA-cam. I shall direct others to this video. Fascinating…
that just means they had never heard of it
@Aaron R, can you elaborate on your thoughts? Keen to hear any observations you have between Lindsay’s thoughts and Chomsky’s
Gaslighting is a central part of Marxism/Neo-Marxism/Progressivism.
Yes. James Lindsay has been on a deep dive exploration of wokeism which has been very enlightening,
Really????? Some how I’m not surprised by them calling it fake news . So typical .They always say stuff with out any research or effort .
I think it is really telling that the professor introducing the event makes the name of freire sound exotic and spends so much time further exotifying him by trying to pronounce it...then proceeds to ask how many people know about his work as if it is an obscure piece of antique..
That's Howard Gardner. An educator and scholar. He is well aware of Freire. And the author of numerous texts, especially multiple intelligences.
I like how the comment under you is the exact opposite
Yup. They're a bunch on intellectual hacks who are dressing up a fucking marxist who innovated the art of targetting and indoctrinating children into marxism and revolutionary radicalism.
It's interesting seeing Chomsky here presenting the fair-minded idea of a critical thinker following independent modes of inquiry (e.g., 1:22:00 ), while simultaneously lacing this virtue with Marxist vectors of infiltration. The "structure" that he wishes to use to "guide" these learners is Marxist collectivism, where Enlightenment knowledge (the "filling of the cup") is dismissed for something more actionable and useful [to Marxists]. This idea of empowering the "oppressed" is not the Enlightenment idea of people simply becoming literate and learning about the wide world, it is instead making sure that these "oppressed" people receive a Marxist education so that their resentment can be activated on behalf of a Marxist revolution - a revolution which they passively accept on behalf of this intellectual vanguard that is intent on using them for power.
In other words, Chomsky was advocating for the "Critical Tradition", which is Marxist infiltration of education, and he was sponsoring the slave morality and repressive tolerance model of Marxist "critical consciousness" to gain power on the backs of Freire-indoctrinated useful idiots. On top of this, seeing Chomsky so lately satisfied with his alignment with authoritarian powers may show that this current emergence of Marxist de-evolution was near exactly what he wanted. This is not another Renaissance where the world awakens to a great wealth of information - it is a culling of information under authoritarian powers to enslave people with the very oppressor/oppressed binary that they believe will liberate them.
Oh snap well said! I may use bits of the comment for condensed argument.
@Neto Hernández
A more direct write-up is between Enlightenment and Marxist thinking:
In Enlightenment thinking,
• People fill their own cup of knowledge and test and refine that knowledge in the real world, where it can be proven true or false.
• Individuals freely pursue knowledge without hindrance to learn how the world works.
• Think of any individual walking into a giant library and learning as much as he or she can from the greatest thinkers of all time.
• The result is a firm grasp of causality and an understanding of the importance of free-thinking and liberty.
In Marxist thinking,
• People passively have their cup of knowledge filled by The Marxist Party, and that knowledge is only "true" within the Marxist simulation.
• People pursue knowledge but are hindered by educators who lie to them about how the world works (e.g., teaching the dogma of "oppressor" and "oppressed").
• The masses walk into schools heavily mediated by Marxists, and the library shrinks to those books that make students into slaves.
• The result is a stratified people (a caste system) who do not understand causality and want to enslave others on behalf of the oligarchs.
Chomsky was advocating for the second option.
Chomsky was coming from the Frankfurt School approach, which was to twist "Enlightenment" into a deception that the masses undergo.
He was never opposed to propaganda itself; he was advocating for propaganda that destroyed Western values to effect Marxism.
His only regret today seems to be that he's too old to get to see the total enslavement of the world for which he's been pushing throughout his career.
I think you have made several assumptions based on conservative talking points which misrepresent marxist thought. I’m hoping you might be open minded enough to hear me out, as you sound intelligent.
For one, I think you may be confusing Marxism with Leninism, or maybe I am. It’s my understanding that Marx never advocated an uprising such as the one that you have described, nor a specific agenda for his audience to follow through with. The main idea was the evolution of government across historical society, with capital and control of capital as the basis for various power struggles. The idea was that as society developed, capitalism and free market was the natural conclusion for that stage of development, and socialism was the next. Communism was an impossible utopian concept, that was set to be the final stage of evolution in history. Das Kapital was meant to criticize the failings and abuses of capitalism in a fully industrialized society, specifically America and Britain. The last places he would have expected people to expound and practice his ideas would be undeveloped, unindustrialized nations like Russia or China.
Lenin was an opportunistic rogue who tried to jump the gun in a country that literally ended serfdom 300 years after the rest of Europe. Mao was the same way, but maybe with some better ideas and unique perspectives.
How you conflate Chomsky with slave morality or authoritarian alignment is beyond me. Around the 1 hour mark, he speaks very clearly about institutional agendas as being one that doesn’t want people’s minds to expand. As an agent against the minority and against the change. Having read some Noam and Freire (manufacturing consent, Pedagogy of the Oppressed), I think he and Freire are both pretty clearly against people having everything done for them through some imaginary welfare state, they are against solutions being imposed upon people by revolutionary saviors. Freire writes extensively about inquiry and every day reality.
You say there is an agenda, but I don’t think such an agenda, if it exists, is as unified or conspiratorial as you think.
Chomsky - in reference to his son’s school experience.
it doesn’t matter what you cover, it matters what you discover
Stuff you never hear or see in the mainstream media...for obvious reasons.
Thanks for sharing this
Professor Gardner asked for examples of Freire's influence...One example that I can recall on the influence of Freire, but mostly from Sartre, Fromm & Mancuso, is the Student Strike of 1970 (Kent State era). College students everywhere, questioned the wisdom of their institutions, due to the Vietnam 'War'. At SUNY at Oswego, we shut down the campus and turned our classes into Socratic sessions, discussing the more important issues in our lives and our world. I was a junior in college then, a member of a sorority, an Economics major who started taking Education courses in my junior year...primarily due to the influence the sorority had on me and living in a sorority house with 46 other sisters. I remember reading Sartre and Fromm in my Education courses. In thinking about those influences, my friend and I had the great fortune of going to Europe, the British Isles and Greece for three months that summer. I landed in Amsterdam, who was way ahead in terms of liberation theology, than countries that were heavily influenced by the Roman Catholic religion, like Spain... While in Spain we got picked up for hitch-hiking and were nudged on by the feet of the armed police, while resting in a median on a roadway! At the time I didn't see the connection, but after hearing this talk...it all makes sense. In Italy, we, having both been brought up in the Catholic Church, were appalled by the wealth depicted in the Vatican and the Papal Summer Residence. (That was before Vatican II's influence). Then it was on to Greece where we actually sat on the steps across from the Acropolis (where Socrates spoke and listened to a Sound and Light performance of Socrates speaking to the people 'of his day'. It was such a moving experience. It epitomized what you are talking about.
Later, after getting my Masters in School Counseling,and working as high school counselor, liberation theology was alive and well in the classrooms...or so it seemed. Our English teachers began offering quarterly classes, based on 'their' interests in certain topics, giving the students an opportunity to react. However, then came Total Quality Management... Liberation Education has never been the same since. Socratic seminars were difficult to measure in terms of a standardized approach to assessing knowledge gained. And the US became a nation that wanted accountability...in business, education, and life in general. Thus we had the standardized test movement and the Common Core. Teachers became entrapped in quantitative learning outcomes. Curriculum guides and pacing guides are now the norm. If a student doesn't get it...they have to stay after school to get extra help (and the teachers don't get paid for that). Teachers need to move on, so that the entire curriculum (a myriad of hundreds of standards in all the grade levels) could be covered before the all-important SOL tests in May/June. Parents even questioned it after hearing complaints from the students...to almost no avail, except now they can home-school, so they can have some influence over how their children are being educated. And FINALLY we are replacing the NCLB Act with the ESEA (Elementary & Secondary Education Act) and the ESSA (Every Student Succeeds Act), after much lobbying by NEA and parental influences on Congress...our "experts" on education. It is so encouraging to see the pendulum finally beginning to swing back. With the internet, sites like Realtor.com provide statistics on every school in the nation, based on the accreditation system. If we can now change that into measuring didactic logic, rather than quantified facts...or turning to the goal of developing divergent thinkers, rather than convergent thinkers, we will be okay. Social media is doing that already, despite what the "powers to be" have on their agendas... :)
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The A.I. “chatbot” has been reading Freire lately. 😊
Thanks for sharing, makes my spouse and I very happy we had and sent our children to private schools.
11:30 the name of the bishop is Dom Helder Camara, author of the books: the desert is fertile, a thousand reasons for living, spiral of violence, etc
Obrigada pela coversa!
The fascinating part about the two competing philosophies of education during the Enlightenment is not concluded until about 1:23:00. So you might want to skip from 15:00 to there and then go back to 15:00 again.
An example of why I love such videos (and, thank you to those who share) is that before watching this I'd never heard of Paulo Freire. Similarly, in another Chomsky video which I watched last Sunday I learned of 'The intellectual life of the British Working Class'. I've ordered both books and look forward to reading them. So, again thank you to those who share these videos; In the spirit of Rose's 'proletariat auto-didact' I'm getting an education right here in my living room.
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I stupidly forgot the login password. I love any help you can offer me!
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Great to see that my country is being well represented is a reference outside!
Thankyou for this 💓
His name is Paulo Freire, could you change it on the discretion?
sei que o comentario é antigo mas faltou um ingles aí nesse discretion.
@@jorgefelipemussi3691 embromation é arte
Thank you for uploading this! Everyone should read this book!
Hi
jesus h christ! there was a comment just a year ago that tried to highlight your call for typo fix. you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was a deliberate move to disrespect someone heretical.
"so what? we support those troops that went down and murdered those priests. what's a small typo compared to our distain for human life?" ~Entire Harvard Faculty
Hegel: " one of the craziest stupidest things I've ever seen".- I love Noam.
Lowkey though, Hegel is insane 😅
There's a mistake in the description of the video. It is PAULO and not PAOLO... thank you :) And I'm really sorry for so many ignorant people from my country that had come here and said stupidities about his political views. Paulo Freire wasn't a communist, but his way of seeing the world and his work to include the poor, to improve the quality of our education irritated the military dictatorship from the 60's. The people had to be treated like cattle and not educated, and that's why he was exiled. And today with the ascension of the obscurantism, anti-intellectualism that ravages my country Paulo Freire is once again treated like a monster by the authorities and the ignorants that never read his work.
He is nothing. Are u kidding?
He is A fucking comunist
So let us ignorant ones know how would the oppressed liberate themselves from their alleged oppressors? Which community in the world implemented his theories and how? What were the results from such theories? And last, if he wasn't a communist why the hell did he praise Che Guevara and the Cuban revolution even stating that Che was a very humble man who also was synonim with love. How can u explain that?
mrmissoes you haven’t read the book have you? It’s obvious.
Augusto Coutinho you haven’t read the book, it’s obvious.
@@John8-32EnglishFortheFamilyI guess you’ll never find out as long as you never try to find out.
Bruno's bit about first identifying the box resonated very strongly with me. My greatest struggle is that despite growing up comfortably enough socioeconomically speaking, I have forever FELT the presence of this box and longed to be outside of it. Thank you for raising my consciousness further.
Hi CC PO ☺️ ok
Does anyone know of any critical literacy curricula in the spirit of the first questioner?
Lindsey brought me here
Disturbing to watch after listening to James break down the platitudes and generic crap these clowns parrot
Same, just trying to get perspective
The Indian lady must have gone to elite institution in India and might be specific to ber education. What Noam chomsky was saying about Kerala and west Bengal is literacy among working class initiated discussion among them and the influence also village group discussion is also somewhat traditional. This guy saying they are influenced by Freire is again his Eurocentric bais.
Name's "Paulo Freire", it is written wrong in the description...
Can you give an example?
Can someone elaborate one that? (why is it zero?)
Yeah what mr gug said. Please change the description, misspelling of Paulo's name. its Paulo not Paolo. This is harvardGrad school of edu? come on guys.
so for Chomsky it is ok for students , like his son, to criticize their teachers and learn in a group hence develop the ability to be a creative human beings..i wonder whether that behavior would be permitted in his class...just asking
why wouldn't it be? as long as you are respectful, criticisim is just feedback. which everyone needs, especially teachers
Loved it: funny, thought provoking, inspirational ... a timely tribute... thank you all:-)
For the interested , I would bring 2 names to the discussion: Spinoza & Festinger.
Spinoza (1632-1677): passion or freedom. Here "passion" can be defined as "whatever enslaves us" and freedom can be defined as: "full consciousness."
And Festinger's concept of cognitive dissonance (1959) .... politicians/the media/and the education system enslave us through steps that play on cognitive dissonance.
My two favourite funny moments 🤣:
54:19
1:13:20
What is the name of the theologian he mentions in minute 9:35 - 9:40, i can barely hear him.
It almost sounded like Hans…maybe Hans Küng
Have you found any projects / schools that practice the method how Freire describes in chapter 3? (With all the elements he mentions, including: investigator team (educators), cultural circle, codification, decodification, sociologists and anthropologists present, etc?)
There was a school in Brazil that followed his philosophical and methodological ways but this school wasn't supported by the state and when it couldn't get any donations, it was sold. There a few "application schools" as they call here in Brazil, one using his model at the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro (UFRJ) and other at the University of São Paulo in São Paulo city. There is also other Brazilian and latino educators that expanded some of the concepts Freire developed. Demerval Saviani is one of them...which discussed school and democracy over the history and in some models of education and which philosophical foundation is behind the discourse.
There is a Paulo Freire Freedom School in Tucson AZ
@@may1girl No way! I thought his book (Pedagogy of the Oppressed) was banned in AZ? Very interesting.
REFLECT is a literacy methodology developed by Action Aid. It is based on Freire thinking and successfully implemented in many developing countries.
Woh! Would love to have a conversation with you on this.
45:20 minute mark “they’re our colony” (referencing the UK being an American colony)
I like how this is referenced in the new introduction: “There is deep irony in some academics’ efforts to interrogate whether Freire’s methods work and to apologetically provide examples of Freirean schools that do work as Howard Gardner did. . . thus, vulgarizing Freire’s intellectual contributions and his major theories.”
one soon gets any illusions dispelled right quick once Mr.Gardner gets done reading page 4&5 of that book he 'found' and brandished majestically. the illusion was self-deprecation ("i'm humble!") but the reality was he simply dismissed them in a mocking fashion.
i'll bet he's not got a humorous bone in his body. I'll also bet the entire time he was thinking "what's stupid priest murders got anything to do with that stupid author? blah blah i'm bored, let's ask for another comment from the peanut gallery"
when they say "Freire's" the subtitles shows as "fairies"
Quite the Freudian slip.
12:10 You have to understand that you are opressed, otherwise it wont work.
Does Chomsky have a photographic memory?
too low audio
Articulation of Emotion. Opening it up and knowing why one is not having proper movements - or the left eye has an odd twitch or even that odd rash beside ones ear...
These speakers give voice to what our mortal vessels know by instinct. Applaud them for using language to cajole inbred intelligence which all are born with.
Freire called the dialogical method (vs banking) /essentially was Socratic,asking question WHY as a way to discover the truth /reasons for the conditions oppressed find themselves that lead to question-how do oppressed change their conditions..
I am lucky to learn, I do not agree with everything but I enjoy the mental stimuli
Hi areesha, a few days down the line ill send you this video. for now lets absorb the actual words of Paulo Freire
We are like your education!😁😁
moderator keeps interrupting Chomsky when he's about to get to the point.
That was awesome man. Great perspective on Freire.
Chomsky knows every generalization word in the Marcuse dictionary , every other word is a generalization .. wtf
I can barely hear the man in the black sweater (the one in the middle)
shut up nerd its CHOMSKY
Can’t hear a word of Noam’s speech. WTF???? Do smth to the sound so we can all bask in the glory of his wisdom!!!
This is why education in the US has gone down the drain. No matter.
Harvard's moral guage rises to 100 whenever Noam Chomsky enters campus and returns to 0 when he leaves.
Redshift 😂
NC sure doesn't pull any punches. the hilarious bit is his comments always go straight over the host's head, only registering when certain revolutionary dogwhistle phrases are detected
I think he could speak and write with simpler language. It clearly turns many in poverty off from listening to him.
@@johnfly9564 i own several of his books. first, his publishers like repeating a lot of the lectures he's done over several books. the man writes as clearly and simply as possible, he's quite possibly the most clear and to the point writer i've ever read with the occasional dark humor thrown in. u just don't like that he unashamedly criticizes america and capitalism and for most americans this automatically sends them into a inbred fascist retard tizzy.
@@johnfly9564
You believe they are stupid because they don’t have money?
That’s Pretty disgusting,.
54:24 might be the only time I have seen noam boast.... its utterly wonderful
it´s PAULO not Paolo so you know
forvo.com/word/paulo_freire/
It sounds like they're all saying powlo. Oh course, it's hard to make fine distinctions in the sounds of foreign languages, so I could be wrong.
English speakers say and write "Paolo" and it's fine, just like the Brazilian state of São Paulo, in English its written Sao Paolo
Great teacher
To any and all who would like to see a far more in-depth, thorough, and honest approach to this book, along with The Politics of Education, also written by Freire, as opposed to this predictably shallow, myopic presentation by radical leftist academicians, I cannot recommend highly enough James Lindsay's reading and well researched and thought out exposé of Freire's works, along with those of Marcuse, Gayle Rubin, and other radical ideologues, whose increasingly totalitarian and repressive world we now occupy.
Go to The New Discourses podcast ... there James Lindsay reads these actual texts and breaks them down, making comprehensible that which was designed to be incomprehensible to those not enmeshed into this radical leftist (now mainstream Democrat) ideology.
“When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist.”
― Dom Helder Camara,
Those who exclusively “give food to the poor”, do it is out of a quest for power, and nothing else.
The poor do not have food BECAUSE OF THEM.
delightful take of an amazing master piece
1:00:05 - Hegel
I’ll have a 🤔 💭 about it
25:50 when I give people to eat, they call me a saint; but when I ask why they are poor, they call me communist.
They remain poor because of people like him… you don’t get that?
One thing I learned from watching this, and not meaning to reenforce hierarchies here, but... Howard Gardner couldn't tie Noam Chomsky's shoes.
If you don't like "hierarchies" then why don't we get rid of all teachers, and all leaders in everything.
Why would you want chaos? Chaos is not good for society.
It is sad that so many of the comments made here to this are not germane. It is as if some wanted to comment without having listened to the entire program, or at least didn't pay much attention.
1:29:00 minute interesting concept
47:50 Father Sabrino. Surviving Jesuit priest.
prof Noam offers the contrast of the earliest Chritianity as The Persecuted to the Constantines Church empire of conquistadores,,,,,,--till today, even Francis Shaeffer lauds the civil rights participants.....
Paulo Freire is not well known in the USA academic system precisely because Freire's ideas are system challenging: the oppressed thinking and liberating themselves, an educational process free of a limited curriculum, not a hierarchical positioning of the teacher and the student, etc; Freire writes about education as a liberating praxis or practice, something not desire by the ruling groups of the country; certainly Freire should be read but equally valuable would be forgotten Herbert Marcuse.
I had to read and spend a few weeks on Pedagogy
It’s utterly destroyed the Brazilian education system, so maybe it’s a bad idea. Unfortunately it’s adherents are not just religious fanatics but Gnostics too believing in a ‘higher knowledge’. It’s mystical garbage that brings nothing but misery in the real world.
That's a little simplistic. The fact is that the scientific revolution happened in a devoutly religious part of the world. If you want to claim that it happened in spite of the former you'll have to have some other examples of scientific revolutions to justify your use of the word "generally."
*edit* nevermind, i think you're talking about a part of the video i haven't got to yet
I think most of us who studied education in the US do learn about Freire.
I’m 100% US educated and I didn’t learn about Freire until graduate school. Same with my sister. It seems to only be shown in educational programs. I’m studying to become a student advocate aka a school counselor.
Forget about Friere, and all the neo Marxist bs.
Just pay attention to each actual person, and be a good counselor.
Don't teach them all the victimhood bs people are buying into now.
Not good!
@@MsHeartIsArt most americans are steeped in freire's methods without seemingly having a clue. it is extremely bizarre.
About scientific revolution happening in a devoutly religious part of the world the christian world was far from being devoutly religiuos especially the educated classes. During renaissance for example intellectuals admired the greeks and the romans who were pagans
I used the world generally to indicate that dogma (religion) and reason (science) were never on the same side
The sage, the warrior, and the fool (Howard is the fool)
And yet our "progressive" schools continue to sort and conceive of students by class, race, and income under the guise of Standardized Testing aka IQ tests. The healthiest route today is when the child/teenager has a preserved sense of self and talents through self-initiated studies, homeschooling or private tutoring. How many teacher education programs (waste of money and lacking rigor or depth) include Paulo Freire in their studies? I learned the concept of busy work in my education courses.
Why would you want to do away with IQ tests?
Wouldn't you want to know who the academically brilliant people are to give them challenges to grow, and learn? Find out what other children's gifts, and capabilities are? Don't you want to teach excellence?
Seems to me "progressivism" is killing our students, spiritually, emotionally, and psychologically.
Maybe Freire's ideas - some good, some bad.
Indoctrination is not the best way to educate.
Not many TE programs, sadly, Elizabeth. I'm glad my alma mater, SIT in Vermont, promoted Freire's educational philosophy.
57:10 minute mark
Someone at UA-cam manually recommending Marxist trash to me again POG
It isn't a misconception, I can point out where religion has directly interfered with the scientific pursuits of some of the men you list and most of them would have suffered serious consequences if it was believed they weren't christians.
You admitted this fact when you brought up a document that required punishment for heresy.
Dogma is by definition antithetical to science, one can not seek to answer questions that one is not allowed to ask.
At 20:05 Bruno digs into a question that my wife and I have been trying to grok for months. Brilliant.
Almost all of the names you have recounted have either been persecuted, or have lived their lives at the brink of being persecuted. The fact that the only places to do science has been early scholastic monasteries due to the turmoil in late roman empire does not mean that church have advanced science. it just means there was nowhere else safe.
and the moment scientists were able to do science outside church starting with renaissance, prosecutions started.
Such nonsense-Galileo, Copernicus, many others, were devout Catholics and remained so until they died. Having disagreements was not as cataclysmic as the phony histories pretend.
during the middle ages advancement was stunted because of the barbaric invasions but also from filosophy being transformed completely into theology. science has advanced mostly through the work of secular man
two sides to the chicken-----brith and being.....Dad would say is it dead?, and death to me at that point was rottedness opposed to the fine meal mom had made of it....its LIVING i would say and did, well then he'd say why doesnt it squat out a screach as you bite it?
God being the divine and eternal Being that has enabled humankind to think, create and sustain wealth, health and scientific knowledge through the ages of finite man.
Le Bon.
I think you're partly right, but the argument that Christianity was not limiting because historical figures X, Y and Z were Christians is weak. One had to behave as an orthodox Christian or face reprisals.
@Neto Hernández This (nine year old) reply was addressed to a comment that was deleted, not the participants in the video. Addressing it to the participants would be odd, as they could not reasonably be expected to read the comments to this video.
One has to behave like a Marxist or face reprisals. At least Christian teaching is based upon humanity as it is, and not how some elite intellectuals would like it to be.
Not really, Modern universities as we know them today developed in the high middle ages in the catholic church. Most all of the individuals who have helped to advance science have been Christians, Copernicus, Kepler, newton, Mendel, Grosseteste, Roger Bacon, Lemaitre to name a few. "new atheists" spread this misconception or bring up the codex Justinianus. Acquisition of knowledge was stunted 'coz barbarians began to invade the roman empire and there was constant warfare for all these centuries.
Why have I not been educated with Noem. Because he makes sense.
Freire and his ideas have made the world a worse place. He was a very misguided man.
that's because the only kind of education you've gotten is that of the banking model Kris.
Great book. Though Chomsky claims more for it than it contains. It doesn't, as Chomsky says it does, compare this autodidactic spirit with the supposed deficiencies of the more luxuriant classes.
"these [communists] are irrelevant" ~Mr.Gardner
no, more like you sir don't even know what 'relevant' means. you know who's important, and what's significance to place on so and so...what's relevant doesn't care about your tender sensibilities - it's like science: it doesn't care that you don't believe in the truth.
These concepts that go counter to this "banking education" coined by this author are important to you only in that you 'ignore' them as background noise.
What should be obvious after watching this for almost an hour is that the author's concepts are so much more relevant today than when he wrote them, and we have to ask ourselves - an hour in - whether these muppets will actually enlighten us to other concepts or just hinge the entire talk on merely "banking education"
alguns dos maiores intelectuais do mundo discutindo, numa das mais prestigiosas universidades do mundo, sobre a importancia de paulo freire. Enquanto isso o bolsominion o critica dizendo que ele era comunista e que só falava baboseira :p triste.
Exato!
Brazil is a terrible place largely due to Freire.
51:23 that long suffering sigh. how does this faculty member even hold tenure in a just society that respects women? oh wait
i am baffled by Chomsky actually talking about the oppression of the church and the killings of Jesuits...first time for everything
Why does it baffle you?
He's talked about liberation theology and the US campaign to crush it for years. Why does it baffle you?
What is actually needed is for teachers with expert knowledge not in teaching but in their subject matter to deposit their knowledge into their students’ heads directly, like candy inserted into a Pez dispenser.
Aren’t they all ready doing that? What you’re saying is you want them to indoctrinate students from what I can gather from your comment.
Our education system should be teaching students how to research and learn, not what to learn.
A teacher that’s an ‘expert’ in their subject matter would only leave the teacher to think there’s nothing new to learn.
Irony alert 😂
This is nice and all very clean, patient etc., but I prefer the late George Carlen who pretty much said the same thing in his last performances but of course was very blunt, crass and dirty. The problem I think lies in I think the common folk who he spoke too could only laugh and take it all in as entertainment instead of a serious critique of culture and history because that's exactly what they have been trained to do. Dismiss the critique and only value it as entertainment.Get out of the cave!
No fan of "new atheism", but do you even know why they were called barbarians?
RSFO Do you even know that history is written by powerful people?
You have to listen to Noam. Dulcet tones with philosophy and purpose. Freire pedagogy of oppressed minorities raises consciencness love the posit. Not many people can apply but it needs to be a movement. Stop the rhetoric. We need to educate everyday people.
You have nothing worth teaching. It’s all just secular mysticism fueled by envy and pride. Leave the kids alone. They don’t need you to infect them with your misery.
If the gospels had been the lead of the universal church,capitalism would not have made it to the all consuming power that it is today..There would have been a balance and more socialist base....groups of commune members would have developed..You might consider ...
I’m 100% US educated and I didn’t learn about Freire until graduate school. Same with my sister. It seems to only be shown in educational programs. I’m studying to become a student advocate aka a school counselor. I personally plan to share Freire’s work throughout my career, it is probably the most important piece of literature I have ever read. The History of the United States of America, by Howard Zinn is next after that.
Please don't do anything associated with education. You are as dangerous as his teachings.
Both are garbage and serve only to create communist pieces of shit who don't believe in America's principles.
I hope you changed your mind about this.
@Roy. Yeah. Many of the kids in the so called "progressive" areas are narcissistic balls of emotionalism, and hate free speech.
Forget that.
@@royfrady8219 How feeble and vacuous your rhetoric is. You could not substantiate your claim if your life depended on it.
@@hughmac13 Education in many areas is filled with teachers who are "progressive". I don't see the knowledge learned being very good these days.
A group of Yale law students recently acted like a bunch of temper tantrum throwing 2 yr. old's, and shut down another's
group meeting on free speech.
New Zealand's Ahern gave the commencement address at Harvard. She basically said in 2020 the only truthful information people would get was from the government. That's what totalitarians say.
These don't look like good signs to me.
As a Brazilian teacher, I am very proud of Paulo Freire's life and legacy.
What are you proud of? I would seriously like to know.
I hear much criticism about Friere, so what is your perspective?.
"No Offense But It Sounds Like Some Fucking Commie Gobbledygook"
@@kekecnakvadrat that’s exactly what it is.
... Speak up!
Great idea let's turn education into political brain washing and disruption.... How about just teaching skills? Gross
And non-theistic ideology hasn't hindered humanity in your dialectic.
This isn't Christian in it's core ontology.
Please fix the name to Paulo Freire instead of Paolo Freire, come on Harvard! To all of the people criticizing Freire here, READ THE BOOK! He is not a communist simply a person with a great theory to humanize the world by the means of education. Stop calling communism everything that looks to bring equity into the world.
Paulo Freire methody is passing a bad moment in Brazil, they are using his theory to defend a relation between Freire and socialism
Freire was openly a socialist and you can just read it
I think it is kind of funny that I watched this entire video with my complete attention and the only detail that I can clearly remember is that the girl who asked the second question was really hot.
Thank you for clarifying that; I thought I was only a partial idiot. You should have finished your judgment of me with "Thus spoke Zarathustra" for extra effect. I'll bet you are a really nice person. Have a nice life.
you can find an excuse to masturbate anywhere
if you are ruled by the urge for sex you are nothing else than a rabbit to me. and it´s disgusting how you disrespect the knowledge of those two men by spitting such non-relevant words. rob is a nice person he respect´s the urge of talking about this topic, where you just take unqualified statements and expect to be treated like a king. so much hypocracy i can´t even stop writing about your imbecility. excuse all of mistakes i may have made im not a native speaker!
Lol hahaha
the one who got the applause? yeah, she's got a very sexy obscured side of a face
I know I sound like some whiny MRA, but even the 60s feminists sucked. What, am I supposed to pretend Betty Friedan was as enlightening as John Maynard Keynes or even Eleanor Roosevelt? Feminism was awful by the 60s and had already been going downhill by the 30s if you ask me. It was socially necessary in the 60s but abstractly feminist make pretty stupid arguments have done so for a long time
Agreed
Ever since it turned to Marxist mysticism.
One of the most evil destructive books of all time
What makes you say this?
The Brazilian scores at Pisa or even worst , as civilization ,are the proof of this organized social engineering. That’s pure gramiscism . Theses guy destroyed Brazilian future by education indoctrination..
@@gcromer903the content of the book.
your reply is unhelpful to understand your point
@@gcromer903 The book sets the stage for crt and other mass indoctrination of marxist envy politics into children. Its very evil at its face. Noam even mentions it but positively.