Being married to a Serb for the last 30 years, and having spent time in Serbia, Croatia and Montenegro, this topic and discussion interests me deeply. Thank you for your documentary.
If you are married to a Serb why don't you read history to find out the facts rather than listen to some Dutch talking about Yugoslav history. Imagine, Dutch to telling people about your wife's history. If you asked former German Nazis you would learn more facts that this one.
Alive and happy, don't stereotype or believe everything you hear. She's loyal, pretty, unselfish, cooks, cleans, cuts the grass when I can't get to it. We met on the dance floor in a CW club 2-stepping. So we also spend time dancing together. We have 2 grown healthy boys/men.@@modricaninmodricki7559
First of all, since I know less about you than the author of this article, that makes your opinion and advice less credible than his. Second, I fully capable of deciding which resource is better than this article if I choose to research this further. Third, my mother-in-law first hand experienced the occupation and gave me her personal recounting of how the Germans treated her. There is a memorial in the town of Kragujevac in which the nazi's brutally murdered 3000 school children in the school for unruly behavior. So a nazi is the last person (even if I knew one) I would interview/read about to hear their side of the story. @@Ana-bw7gm
You told this unique and complex story so well professor!! Many things I was confused about surrounding these Conflicts during world war 2 were cleared up!
Bosnia during WW2 was hell on earth. NDH, Germans, Italy, Partizans, Chetnics... Ustashe caused non stop constant battles and massacres, masiv national, civil and ideological wars. End the end Partizans, most consist by Serbs, made it base from it. My grandfather wanted to go there from East Serbia to join them. But it was extremely difficult and dangerous because of difficult terrain and many armed groups.
@@edinresic3125 četnici su narodno oslobodilačka vojska i legitimna vojska .Tito ih je oklevetao kod engleza i amera.Inače svih 8 ofanziva je bilo na srpskim teritorijama ustaše skoro nije ni napadao kao ni hanđźarlije zato su srbi najviśe stradali.
Thank you for this video. One more info about Ustashi: from a French, (ex) Catholic point of view, I know that the French clergy, French diplomacy, and even the Vatican in some point, were kind of fascinated by Ustashis as they constituted the first catholic State in the region for a long time. Especially the influence of Franciscans of Zaghreb into the regime if I remember well.
The Ustaše movement was founded in 1929 as a response to Serbian fascism and hegemony and as a response to the fascist dictatorship of the Serbian Karadjordjevic dynasty. Not everything is black and white as you want to falsely portray. The Ustaški movement is a reaction to Serbian fascism and hegemony during the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. When the Ustasha movement was founded, it was a nationalist and terrorist movement like the Irish Ira, the Basque Eta, or the Palestinian Plo. Since they had their cells in Italy, they connected with the Italian fascists because the Italians also had an interest in the destruction of the Yugoslav kingdom.
I'm an expatriate living in the Balkans . The people's politics and history is complicated the people Bosians , Serb or Albanians are friendly people . There atrocities to each other baffles me.
They are peaceful but the problem is Serbs don't want to stop pushing their nationalistic aspirations towards others. Even to this day, Serbs want to chip away 50% of Bosnian land for themselves.
It was not that complicated. Catholics and muslim joined forces to exterminate Serb natives and then majority. Unique occasion to see how the Papists treated other Christian denominations ( and still doing). If you don't bow to the Pope, you're not considered as a human being, yet as Christian.
@@Cp6uH_the Serbs came to Bosnia in 1400 fleeing the Turks, and through agrarian reform they got the land of the Bosnians and thus occupied the land of the Bosnian Muslims. the Chetniks committed various crimes in the letter that Petar sends to Drazi, he says that he killed 7 thousand Muslims from Foca to Trebinje, of which only 1200 soldiers remained civilians, that is why the Hannzdar division was founded to protect the Bosniaks, but later Hitler recruited them into the Nazis
Marcos, it Is partly right. But topic Is this video Are Bosnia and Herzegovina in WW2. There Is not so complex. Serbian people Are against Axis Powers and in Belgrade Serbian officers of Yugoslav Army overthrow the Regent and Government who sign 2 days ago to join Axis Powers. Because of that, without declaring the war Hitler, Mussolini and Hungary attacked Yugoslavia and won. In Bosnia...Serbs go to Yugoslav Army to defend their country from agression but Muslims and Croats were deserted and even disarm Yugoslav units ( role of Tito's Communist Party is complex in that short "April war" ). But role of Colonel Draza Mihalovic Is not. His unit crush some Ustashi rebellion in some Bosnian city and refused and order that he and his unit surrender to the Nazis. He go to Serbia and made First Resistance movement in occupied Yugoslavia ( "Chetniks" ) in May 1941. Hitler made Indipendent State of Croatia with leader Ante Pavelic ( Ustashi ). The Catholic Church and Islam religion community who were support that new Government. In Spring 1941 Croatian And Muslim Ustashi in Bosnia and Herzegovina started genocide over Serbs, Jews and Gypsies. They killed them in their houses and some of them Ustashi put in Death camps such Jasenovac. Serbs took arms in their hands and defend their families. But after June 22, 1941 Tito Got order From USSR to start uprising in Yugoslavia. In the beginning, Chetniks and Tito's partizans Are fight together. But war goal of Communist are not interest of Ustashi genocide. They Are Got order to fight against Germans, Italians and Ustashi. Because of that they divide in Bosnia too. And started two Resistance guerillas were started civil war between thereselves. Till the capitulation of Italy in 1943. In Tito's partizans were 80% Serbs. After that Muslim and Croats started to join Partizans. Till the May 1945. In Chetniks were 90% Serbs. Allies in 1943. Are decided to support Tito and reject General D. Mihailović. Marcos, Serbs were Allies with Brazilian Army. Either in Partizans or Chetniks. Continue with BRICS.🎉
As a Historian by Training, I am very impressed with your work. I am retired after 35+ years of service in and working for the American Army. In addition, I grew up in a county of Iowa whose people are primarily descended from immigrants from the Netherlands. Any way I just wanted to say I truly enjoy your videos.
I was hoping for a video of the Ww2 perspective of Albania, but we got a Bosnia video which I didn't know I had so many questions about 😂. Thank you for making a video on this underrated topic! ❤ ( And showing the kitten)
Solid, I'll say as good as can be said in 10 minute format. Although, there are some mistakes/misconception, mainly about the number of dead in Jasenovac and the nature of resistance movements.
@@HistoryHustle Do you study any history prior to 1914? Or do you just go for low hanging fruit? What about BiH during Hapsburg's or Ottoman's? Let's discuss BiH when it was predominantly Catholic using Western Stokavian dialect prior to Muslim invasion, then Serbian expansion? Or is it just easier to hammer the Nazi message over and over and over again? Surely you're brighter than that, or do you just have an angle and an outdated agenda...
@@max670201Serbian sources have pretty much every confirmed dead person during the WW2 listed as someone who is executed in Jasenovac. On that list is My father's uncle and some of their other relatives. He and my Grandfather are Bosniaks who both were part of the 13th SS Handžar. My father's uncle was killed and Grandfather imprisoned and sent to reeducation camp. Serbs definitely suffered heavily under Ustaše but the numbers they present are heavily inflated and if you ever check out the names of the listed as killed in Jasenovac you will notice so many Croat, Bosniak, Macedonian even Albanian names along with Serbian ones.
You are a travelin' hustler, fer sure. Gee I wish I could do that! Love your work, good detail you won't here anywhere else sometimes. Good Luck Hustler.
It was a super informative video and thrilled historical coverage of Yugoslavia during WW2 within focusing on Bosnians...thank you Sir (Stefan)...you are an excellent history teacher... and your history Hustle channel is respectful 🙏 and interesting one ..thank you...
Ante Pavelic also viewed the Serbs as subhuman. He was a vile creature full of made up stories like that. Bosniaks are just that - Bosniaks. Croat nationalists claim that Bosniaks don't exist, that they're just confused Croats. Serbs claim that Bosniaks are just confused Serbs. Bosniaks declare themselves as Bosniaks, unrelated to either of those 2 groups. Who do you believe? The conquerors or the defenders? And the term is not exclusive to people of Islamic faith in Bosnia, it was used for all citizens of Bosnia for 1000 years until the Yugoslav identity tried to erase the term and overwrite it with "Serbo-Croatian" propaganda and cultural appropriation.
@@libertas5005There are only four South Slavic nations: Slovenes, Croats, Serbs and Bulgarians. Bosnian or Bosniak (bosanci, bosnjani, bosnjaci) is a demonym, a geographical designation in the official grammar, not a national one. 'Bosniaks' are an artificial nation created in the fall of '93 in the Sarajevo Holiday Inn hotel. They were created on the historical and national heritage of Serbs and Croats. They speak mostly Serbian, with admixtures of Croatian, Turkish and Arabic. They don't have their own flag, coat of arms or anthem, nor national heroes, their own literature, no symbols of a unique nation, the only characteristic for them is Islam.
That narrative is precisely what Serb nationalist pigs like Ratko Mladic or Croat nationalist pigs like Franjo Tudjman were pushing in their propaganda of the 90s. You're parroting war criminal ideology on UA-cam. Just so you know, that shitty Z propaganda may work in Putin's Russia or Vucic's Serbia, but it won't work in NATO dominated Europe. Which is why Bosnia is joining NATO soon. You keep lying to yourself and keep trying to spread your silly fairy tales tho! @@SrdjaZlopogledja
@@SrdjaZlopogledja Your explanation is 100% correct I would like to add that the Bosnians as many call the Muslims in Bosnia (the correct term is boshnjaks) they are a hybrid nation a byproduct of the 500 years of ottoman rule in Bosnia they are mainly descenders to Serbs and to some extent Croats that converted to Islam during the 500 years of ottoman occupation very few of them are descenders to Turks that stayed and assimilated after the ottomans left Bosnia before the ottoman occupation was never a nation state and during that time nation states didn’t exist in Europe and Bosnia was populated by Serbs and Croats at that time there was no ethnic group that called them self’s Bosnians. This not some nonsense or propaganda this is historical and ethno-genetic factuality.
Bosniaks (or Bosnian Muslims) are the biggest victims of World War II in Bosnia. They were used and deceived by all sides of the war. I do not deny the participation of a small group of Bosniaks in the Ustasha troops and SS divisions, but there was a lot of manipulation there. For example, according to my great-grandfather's story, the Ustaše (Croatian Catholics) often dressed like Muslims (they put a fez on their heads) and committed crimes. According to official statistics, most Bosniaks fought on the side of Tito's partisans, but there were also terrible crimes committed against Bosnian Muslim civilians on their side. In 1944, the Chetniks switched to the Partizan side en masse. Although they then changed their uniform, their minds were still ultra-nationalist and they continued the mass crimes against Bosniak civilians that the Chetniks had committed. Thousands of innocent women, children and old people who were not able to defend themselves died in those crimes. Thank You for this video!
Foča 1942…chetniks committed war crimes on the Bosnian civilians. Cetniks have been committing genocide on the Bosniak population since the ottomans left in the late 1800s.
Right buddy .... Just talk to the Serb children that had their eyes gauged out my the ustasa while their teacher was raped in kozara. You were loyal to the ustasa unlike us serbs
So awesome Stephen I am listening Carefully 😊 I am finding more details of my grandfather of Utasha I am digging more so into questions I have found I am so excited Stephen with all of this Keep the details Larry for oregon
Nice video. I'm curious if you think Yugoslavia would have ended up in a civil war even if WWII didn't happen. There was obviously ethnic hatred in the country already., so even without WWII, I think it would have eventually exploded into a war. Take care.
Pozz iz Sarajeva !! Nije to građanski Rat bio već Vjerski !! Katolici Muslimani Pravoslavci !! Nažalost moglo se to sve izbjeći mirnim putem tj Papir i Olovka !! EU i ostatak Svijeta je oči zatvorio i desio se Prokleti Rat kome nije ništa dobro donjeo !! Još jednom pozdrav iz Bosne 🇧🇦 Sarajeva !!
Here is simplified explanation. Hatred between Muslims and Serbs began after Turks were driven away from Serbia and Bosnia. Muslims in Bosnia are converted Serbs and Croats and back in the day they were regarded as traitors of their own people. Hatred between Croats and Serbs started after first world war as Croats fought on side of Austria. It is little know fact that first world war was in best interest of Austria as political party in Croatia ( that was Austrian province ) was union of Serbs and Croats.
You are doing great work with your channel. Bosnian Muslims in WW2 with various sides, autonomous pro-Axis movement (generally more loyal to Germans than to Ustasha, with exception like Pjanić)miltias and warlords that shifted sides do deserve their own episode IMO. As well as Bihać Republic and 7 offensives. I am looking forward to it if you decide to make it. I am just sorry you didn't take the opportunity to point at Sarajevo and say: "Sehen Sie diese Stadt? Das ist Walter"-ex-yu viewers older than 40 would go crazy
that's how history played with Bosniaks. That people never wanted to accept the pope, they had their own religion and the Bosnian church, which was declared heretical by the pope. Bosnian rulers even falsely accepted Catholicism in order to save themselves from the crisis. 3 crisis campaigns were launched in Bosnia, fortunately they were stopped by the skilful manipulation of the Bosnian rulers. Later, the last king accepted Catholicism and started a violent rebellion, the people turned away from him and considered him a traitor to the Bosnian church at that time the Turks offered religious freedom and the people sided with the Ottomans in time they accepted Islam. Serbs and Croats see Bosniaks as traitors because they accepted Islam, and in fact Serbs and Croats were forcibly converted, the only people in the heart of Europe who resisted forced conversion are Bosniaks. It is a libertarian nation that defies death because of Islam in the center of Europe, and if 80 percent of Bosniaks do not practice Islam out of spite, they will not renounce it.
Bleiburg was almost only justice your beloved insanely cruel nazis had to face so go to your local nazi meeting and don't come here with your extreme stupidities. Your comments are a real tragedy.
Ovaj autor je dobro placenta od strane srpskog Vucicevog rezima. Holandija je imala tkodje svoje naciste tkz. NSB partiju koji su saradjivali sa nacistickom Njemackom.
Thank you for this video, great work! My great grandfather was a chetnik in the region of surrounding the Ozren mountain. What you say about chetnik decentralization is true. He led a small band of local men to protect the villages from bosniak and croatian extremists. His name was Jovan.
the last 100 years? here are some historical data according to the Austro-Hungarian census from 1879, Serbs in Bosnia were 52%, by 1910 200,000 Serbs were forcibly evicted, and 250,000 Croats, Czechs and others from Austria-Hungary immigrated to Bosnia, 200,000 Serbs were killed in WW1, in 1921 in 56.3% of Serbs lived in Sarajevo, today maybe 5%. Today in Bosnia, Serbs make up about 33% of the population. As a result of the systematic destruction of the Serb population, in 150 years the number of Serbs doubled and Muslims quadrupled, with the fact that Bosnia is a Serbian medieval state. it is symptomatic that Serbs are a minority today.a classic example of colonial doctrine in this case against Europeans,it is interesting that it took 560 years of Turkish, Austro-Hungarian and communist occupation and genocide against Serbs for Muslims to become a majority of 52%
More like, neighbors of Bosnia have been crazy. Bosnia - been in a sandwich between two nationalistic neighbors for 1000 years. Survived the Hungarians, the Byzantines, the Ottomans, the Habsburgs, the Nazis and the Communists, the Serbs and the Croats. Still survives to this day. Slava Bosni!
The fact that all offensives were lead in Bosnia says that Partisans were insignificant factor in Croatia and Serbia. Even now, the nationalist sentiment is prevailing in these two countries.
It's also notable mention that in Nazi Occupied Europe, western Bosnia was first free territory recaptured by anti Nazi forces, at the time partisans en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biha%C4%87_Republic
Bosnian Muslims were not only the greatest anti-fascists, but the entire partisan movement would not have succeeded without them. All offensives were conducted in Bosnia, and Tito trusted Bosniaks the most. The Serbs constructed history as they wanted, and the truth is that the majority of Serbs simply switched from the Chetniks to the Partisans near the end of the war.
What about ancient pre colonial history of Guyana, Nicaragua, Honduras, Belize, and the rest of North and South America, Africa, South Asia, and Polynesia?
Croatians, Bosnians, Ukrainians and any other German collaborators in the eastern war became darlings in the west to this day. Not sure why collaborators in the west didn’t get such treatment
@@HistoryHustlelooking at the Yugoslav wars 90s and the Ukraine War 2023, the west support of people I mentioned, whom generally worked with the Germans, against the western “bad guys of Russia and Serbia”, who still hold wwii grievances, right or wrong. Just something I’ve noted even in the 90s
@@willnill7946 Ukrainian collaboration of WW2 has nothing to do with today. The collaborators of back then are dead. Different times now. Don't believe in Putin's propaganda.
It is the same war that continues to be waged by that religious institution in Rome against the only 2 truly Orthodox nations in Europe, Serbs and Russians. Croats, Muslims, Banderists are only tools(very nasty tools), specifically designed over the last several centuries for this purpose.
Thanks, Stefan, for this edition today. What did you mean by "priests and merchant"? Are you saying that Croatian priests and merchants due to food shortages took up arms against the Ustashi? Also the terms Bosnians and Moslems are a bit difficult. Serbs in Bosnia referred to themselves as Bosnians or Bosnaks. Moslems were simply Moslems as they had no concept of nationality. It had to be invented for them by outsiders. They were for the most part converted Slavs, both Serbs and Croats, so when they joined either voluntarily or under pressure the umma, they simply became Moslems. They continued to speak their dialects and when they went to the mosques they heard prayers in a language that they simply mimicked. Most could not understand more than the rudimentaries of Arabic. It was not something taught like we teach modern languages today. The Serbs used Slavonic in their church, the Croats mostly Latin and the Moslems Arabic, so there was little difference in a strange way. Also because it was a religion adopted under duress, they were not all that religious. Drinking and smoking were very wide-spread to the point of being considered normal Moslem practices. Honest Moslems will know and confess to this. It is only with the war and the arrival of saudi-style Islam that we see the more radical changes, many not for the better in my opinion. It is indeed odd and sad to see young women with heavily painted faces under veils.
are you sure, although it is an undeniable fact that the Croatian Catholic/Muslim Ustasha killed the most Serbs, the fact is that the German Wehrmacht, not the "SS", shot over 30,000 Serbian civilians in occupied Serbia in 4 months of 1941 in retaliation for the Serbian rebellion
@@SrdjanBasaric-w2s correct me if I'm wrong, the territory where the rebellion is happening is Serbia and the territories where the Serbs are the majority, almost all the rebels are Serbs, at least 80%, do you think that the Serbian peasants knew what communism was, they just wanted to fight against the Germans, the Croats ,Bulgarians, Albanians...more precisely, to kill anyone who kills Serbs, regardless of the enemy's nation's religion or race or ideology. To summarize, it was a Serbian rebellion that was used by communist opportunists.
Pavelić family first moves to Jezero near Jajce, where Pavelić attends primary school, a Muslim school. There he heard about Muslim customs and lessons that later influenced his attitude towards Bosnia and Bosnian Muslims. After that, he attended a Catholic school in Travnik, growing up in a town where the majority of the population was Muslim. Bosnian Muslim culture played an important role in his later political career. Happened many genocides of Catholics and Muslims by Serbs, that's why he doesn't like Serbs. Croatian government and Serbs cooperated with each other to divide Bosnia but failed because Germany invaded and Pavelic came to power. Then there was war in the 90s, the dream was to create Greater Serbia and Greater Croatia, Bosnia has always been caught between these two countries since the end of the 19th century. Orthodox, Catholics and Muslims in Bosnia used to be Bosniaks, under the Kingdom of Yugoslavia Muslims became without ethnicity even under Communism
In Bosnia and Croatia NDH were conducted genocide towards Serbs, based on tree parts. One third kill, second drive away, and last third baptized in Catholicism. From two million Serbs in NDH their results at the end of war were 400 000 killed, 200 000 expelled and 200 000 baptized.
83 000? That's about 10% of the actual number of victims. Story about "croats with differing opinions" is mostly bs. "Serbian oppression during yugoslavia" is also not true, it's a NDH myth which served to provide a justification for their actions.
...and remnants for the recent War !! 😮💥🔥💀 Can see how hard has been for Serbians, Bosnians, and Croatians to get along !! 😮 Religious differences fundamentally ...
So where is somw 1.500.000 discrepancy number of Serbs before and after the WWII in that region, if only 80.000 were killed in Jasenovac. 850.000 is the number of brutally massacred there.
@@HistoryHustleCroats used the Sava river to "deliver meat to the Belgrade marketplace". So if the Jasenovac complex is inflated, is Aushvic also inflated?
@@milansimonovic8267Yugoslav Communist authorities proved decades ago that the numbers in Jasenovac were inflated and incorrect. Stop believing propaganda.
Yugoslavia was "a hot mess" , as American say... little wonder it could not survive as a nation with such factions at eachother's throats. The Grand Mufti had fled British Palestine after a failed Arab uprising and collaborated with the Nazis.. his nephew was Yasser Arafat..
Croatian denial goes further than this. “[A] leading contemporary Croat historian, Ivo Banac, has reached a figure of about 120,000 victims in all the NDH-run camps. Others have settled on 80,000 victims in the camps of all nationalities, with Serbs making up about 50,000. […] One recent Croatian publication, which draws on the work of both Croat and Serb historians, estimates the total number of casualties in Yugoslavia during the war at 947,000, of whom 487,000 were Serbs, 207,000 Croats, 86,000 Muslims and 60,000 Jews.” Croatia. A Nation Forged in War (Marcus Tanner) 151.
@@HistoryHustle Ivo Banac???? His family fled to US immediately after WW2. Can you guess why? He helped Tudjman(then future president of Croatia, known Serb hater, and holocaust denier)in organizing lectures at Yale in early 1990ies. And finally: In his later years, Banac was accused of historical revisionism. In a 2017 lecture organized by the Roman Catholic Diocese of Pozega, Banac stated among other things, that the Ustase movement was based on the tradition of Hajduks and could not be identified with modern fascist movements. Banac also blamed World War II in Yugoslavia on the King Alexander's dictatorship and stated that Communism caused much greater damage than fascism. It seems that you are intentionally choosing your sources...
The greatest genocide during World War II, in proportion to a nation’s population, took place, not in Nazi Germany but in the Nazi-created puppet state of Croatia. There, in the years 1941-1945, some 750,000 Serbs, 60,000 Jews and 26,000 Gypsies- men, women and children-perished in a gigantic holocaust. These are the figures used by most foreign authors, especially the Germans, who were in the best position to know. Hermann Neubacher, perhaps the most important of Hitler’s troubleshooters in the Balkans, reports that although some of the perpetrators of the crime estimated the number of Serbs killed at one million, the more accurate figure is 750,000.1 One of Hitler’s generals, Lothar Rendulic, who was in the area where the crimes were committed, estimates that in the first year of the existence of the puppet state of Croatia at least a half million Orthodox Serbs were massacred, and that many others were killed in subsequent years.2 French writers most often use the half-million figure while British sources usually cite 700,000 Serbs killed. Source: Edmond Paris, Genocide in Satellite Croatia, 1941-1945. A Record of Racial and Religious Persecutions and Massacres. The American Institute for Balkan Affairs, 1961 @@HistoryHustle
@milosnovakovic2940 80 000 is the official Jasenovac research center number.dont play number games with dead people thats not nice.80 000 os still a genocide just like 8 000 in Srebrenica is a genocide.
Hi Stephan last year u make video about Macedonia and it was great but can you make a viedeo about war crimes from albanians in western parts in Macedonia, salute mr Stephan from Bitola Macedonia
It is easy to tell history in such a superficial way. Not everything was so black and white. Why not take a look at the composition of the Ustasha government by nationality and religion? Why were Muslims predominant in the Ustashas? Why were many Serbs for the Croatian state, but they were fed up with Belgrade? Why not explore Jasenovac more deeply and why the story of Jasenovac exists. The topic is very complex, and history is written by the winners. Cheers!
History is not written by the victors, but written by those with the most consistent and compelling arguments based on the evidence, backed by a healthy dose of rational logic and passion for debate. The key is not to apologize for any side but to take a firm stand for what's right and what's wrong. Or a quote of Max Miller: “They say 'history is written by the victors,' but in my experience, history is written by those who write stuff down."
Can you guess my nationality/ethnicity? I will spit some personal facts: - My grandfather faught in ww2 as a partisan fighter in Bosnia and Herzegovina. - My grandfaher's uncle was mobilized and sent by the Austrians to the Eastern front where he surrendered to Russians and joind the Allies so he can come back to fight off Austrians from his doorestep. - My great grandfather as a Hajduk guerrila fighter faught the Ottomans in Herzegovina in a big rebelious uprising. - My great great grandfather faught as a Morlac faught the Venezians.
Ante Pavelic the leader of the "Ustasha organisation" was brought up in Bosnia and spent time as a child with the Bosnian muslims. As a result he had a very good relationship with the muslim community in Bosnia. Many of the Ustasha were actually Bosnian muslims, some were high ranking Ustasha members, for example, Deputy Prime Minister Džafer Kulenović (also known as Džafer-beg Kulenović).
Pretty accurate description of that horrible period. You only lack one very important explanation. Ustasha movement was lot legal or legitime represent of Croatian people. They were not elected and had no support of majority of Croats. Before WW2 they were minor group without significant influence or support. Germany and Italy install them to power after occupation. You can see it in croatian resistance and participation in partisan movement. NDH (independent state of Croatia) was not independent or really croatian or even real state. It was just another puppet state of Germany/Italy. And that imitation of state was literally divided in german and italian "area of influence". Also, cooperation of croatian Ustasha and serbian Chetniks criminals is shown as underrated. They were "buddies" for most of the war while at the same time killing each other civilians. Insane.
Thanks Stefan.... and so continues the horrifyingly violent history of the Balkan states. Mostly dominated by criminal Fascist parties but the left also played criminal roles at various times. Other European countries also meddled and made things worse. Has anything good ever happened in these countries ?
A lot of good has happened. Bosnia has one of the most unique cultures in Europe, and its geographical position has been both blessing and a curse. But in the long run, countries like Bosnia have character and remain on the scene for 1000 years. The first Bosnian state was formed as early as 10th century so... Even after all the struggles we still prevail.
In long terms, BIH province was for a long time part of Ottoman Empire, then annexed and integrated in to the Austria-Hungary, Austrian half, and then Slavic states of K SHS/YU, FNRJ/SFRJ. Opposing politics of the A-H and Serbia are in contuaton, and they have produced ISC-NDH. Serbian Royals were blinded and fooled by the south Slavic, pan Slavic policies and thought that glory of beeing on the winning side in the Great War will last for ever.
4:15 How did Serbs "oppress Croats during Yugoslav kingdom"? Does that justify their extermination and genocide? You certainly sound like it does. Serbs did way more good than bad to Croats up to that point. You are missing a deeper point of "too much similarity" and crisis of identity among many Croats.
"You certainly sound like it does. " In my opinion that is a very wrong-headed assumption. I never stated it justified anything. I am explaining stuff. The Ustasha did not come out of nowhere. "Serbs did way more good than bad to Croats up to that point." Your point? Serbs are better than Croats? I refuse to comply to such oversimplifications. "You are missing a deeper point of "too much similarity" and crisis of identity among many Croats." Please explain.
@@HistoryHustle 1. You are correct. I am used to YT comment censorship and lately I am exerting less effort when writing comments. I dont really expect them to show up from all the Orwellian censorship and speech mangling. I literally meant "you sound like it" without implying that you believe it or intentionally did it. I think that it should be more clearly stated that what NDH did cannot have an easy explanation. Culture, history, Vatican, identity had to be taken into account and not simply state "Serbs did something so Croats did something else". Its beyond any comparison or logical chain. 2. ""Serbs did way more good than bad to Croats up to that point." Your point? Serbs are better than Croats? I refuse to comply to such oversimplifications. " I just thought I was too harsh but than you wrote this. We are not that different. :D Some Serbs certainly harmed some Croats before WW2 and some unfortunate things did happen. But my point was that you cannot just say (even implicitly) that "Serbs did something to Croats" and then got genocided in return. What happened in NDH is as fascinating and absurd as it is catastrophic. 3. As you probably know but didnt mention here, Croatian hatred towards Serbs has, in large part, its roots in Serbs and Croats being too similar. Its a case of narcissism of small differences. Aggressive Vatican proselytism and AH geostrategic projects converted many former Serbs into "Croats". Those converts were the worst Serb haters. Its a mess.
Thanks for your response. 1. I fully agree it's not just the Croats “responding”. The Ustasha crimes are extremely severe. They even shocked the Nazis. I made a video on this too: ua-cam.com/video/gcJWOoNamZA/v-deo.html&pp=ygUmd2h5IGdlcm1hbnMgb3V0cmFnZWQgdXN0YXNoYSB2aW9sZW5jZSA%3D 2. I agree the Ustasha crimes are an extreme tragedy. What I do think it that it came out of something. The Yugoslav Kingdom was in my eyes a failed state where unlike Tito's Yugoslavia the government was never able to keep things together. 3. Croats and Serbs are similar. It's sad that differences are being exploited by politicians. Still till this day.
You Serbs committed genocide against Croats, Bosnian Muslims, Albanians, Jews, Roma, Hungarians in Vojvodina, and Bulgarians in Timok Krajina during WWII.
@@HistoryHustle You are a foreign lunatic only educated enough to be a high school teacher with no idea about our region and most of these photos you are using were staged by the Yugoslav regime with nobody in them even identified. The SS Handzar was Bosnia's expression of a Bosnian Muslim desire to be independent from Croatia and Serbia. If there was no Serb militarism, and no Croat encroachments, there never would have been Handzar. The unit fulfilled military objectives and also a humanitarian objective. You mention absolutely nothing about the carnage inflicted over a century on the Muslim populations of the region which went unaddressed. Serbs did not die proportionally the most in the region during this time period. Bosniaks did. When Germany violated the terms on which Handzar was founded, the unit mutinied and rose up. The only goal was to liberate ourselves from hostile regional aggressors in Zagreb and Belgrade, who are dangerous to the Muslim population more so than any foreign "aggressor", nothing else.
Pretty bad video I must say, as you didnt explained how much Serbs suffered in NDH, and your claim of 80k people who died in Jasenovac are same as Croatian state(and their national interest is to keep the number low). You didnt explained how almost all resistance against occupation was done by the Serbs at the beginning of the war( Partisan or Chetniks). As someone whose family members were on Kozara and captured by the Ustasha(some died in Jasenovac, others were given to Croat families to help work on a farms) Im very disappointed in this video which is clearly biased towards fascist Croats and Bosnian Muslims(they become "Bosniaks" in 1993).
First sorry for your family. Second, I refer to my sources. I am afraid you have your biases as well. I assume you are pro-Serbian and want me to emphasize the suffering of the Serbs (which I talked about in the video) as much as possible and tell how heroic they fought. Lastly. What are your sources?
@@HistoryHustle Even english wikipedia which is usually biased against Serbs is enough of source for my statements. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia . They claim at minimum 200k deaths. For ethnic structure of Partisan formations you dont have to look further than where first uprising began. Drvar, Bosanski Petrovac, Lika etc. 90% Serbian population. Again Wikipedia for reference en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Partisans#Bosnia_and_Herzegovina_2 . Croats and Muslims only joined in mass numbers after Italy surrendered. I dont want to lose time finding other sources and then you can say to me that my Serbian sources are biased. This is common knowledge at least in part of Bosnia where I live.
@@ShejtanVrbaski Ispravio sam ga jer je u par navrata govorio Ustaše i Bošnjaci su uradili to i to, a ako već priča o tom periodu onda mora govoriti o ustašama i Bosanskim Muslimanima jer Bošnjaci nisu postojali u ww2. Nemam ništa protiv da se tako zovete sada ili kako god hoćete, pričam samo o istorijskom kontekstu. I daleko sam ja od četnika..
@@HistoryHustle I am Serbian but I will give you a source from a prominent Israeli historian Gideon Greif so you can't label me being pro-Serbian as you did with my compatriot above. He wrote the book called "Auschwitz of the Balkans" (which I wholeheartedly recommend you to read it if you want to talk about this subject in educated manner) where he is writing about network of Jasenovac extermination camps (there were dozens of them and they were literally death industry and I am safe to say demonic place because of the ways how Croatian Ustashas were killing people there). Here you can see one shorter interview of Gideon Greif himself about his book: ua-cam.com/video/TR9UxwO7QlQ/v-deo.html He recorded dozens (I think 57 if I recall well) of ways of killing people and he cites in one of his interviews Yad Vashem sources (you have to admit they are quite meticulous with their findings) that over 800000 Serbs alone by his estimation were killed of which around 70000 were children alone. Ustashas in NDH were having extermination camps for children alone separated from adults (one of them was located in Sisak). Back then Sava river was flowing in red color from the blood of killed people in death factory called Jasenovac so you can have "visual perspective" for that matter. So Gideon Greif was referencing three publication from the investigations from Yad Vashem. First source: Holocaust History - Yugoslavia by Menachem Shelah published back in 1990 by Yad Vashem. On page 189 there is written "700000 it can be considered a real number". Quite similar or same figure was mentioned in the same book on pages 173, 188, 189 and 190. Second source: Community Registry - Yugoslavia by Zvi Loke published back in 1988 by Yad Vashem. In that book in page 316 under the term "Jasenovac" says: "By official estimations in the network of Jasenovac extermination camps it was killed over 700000 people. Majority of them were Serbs but among them there was 40000 Jews from Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia as well as Roma people". Third source: Holocaust Encyclopedia by Israel Gutman published back in 1990 by Yad Vashem. In third book on page 575 is written: "In extermination camp Jasenovac there were killed over 600000 of Serbs, Jews, Roma and opponents of Ustasha regime". Basically Auschwitz of the Balkans book is full of cited credible resources. I am talking serious and respectable sources published by leading memorial center for preserving the memory of Holocaust in Israel. Croatians today or descendants of very same Ustashas wants to deflate the number [instead to repent nor there is a trace of repent for a genocide their ancestors did] of the victims (is the one you have used in your video incidentally) even though their land is heavily soaked with Serbian, Jew and Roma blood along with the bones from the very same people planted in Croatian soil... So these sources are not pro-Serbian bullshit as many of you who deals with historical "facts" or deceptions are taking it as such but it is from a source that no one denies or can't be denied. So here are the sources for you if you seek the truth and justice. I hope that you are the kind of person who is historian for those reasons alone. Yes, Yugoslavia after 1945 had their investigation commission and the person named Dr. Srboljub Zivanovic (pathologist) came to a figure of at least of 750000 people killed and he had to flee former Yugoslavia to Great Britain because of the threats addressed to him and his family. So you can decide for this one will you use it as you might label me being pro-Serbian but from the sources from professor Gideon Greif and Yad Vashem you can't deny that. As I said before I gave you the sources now do your investigation work properly. There was also one more investigation about the fate of Roma people in Ustasha NDH Croatia led by Dr. Dragoljub Ackovic in his study "Samudaripen Roma u Nezavisnoj Državi Hrvatskoj" who was prominent and leading expert in Roma people history and culture. He came to a figure of 80000 of Roma people ALONE killed in most gruesome and demonic ways but again you decide will you take this one as valid. Roma people are living with us Serbs and it would be quite unfair and unjust not to mention their victims since we both suffered together from the hands of the same Ustasha demons in Croatia.
Eens. Helaas is de Bosnische filmindustrie klein en heeft (te) weinig middelen. In Tito's Joegoslavië werden nog wel de nodige WO2-films gemaakt, maar deze waren erg eenzijdig, propagandistisch en actie georiënteerd.
@@HistoryHustle Jammer feitelijk, dat zo veel gebeurtenissen over WO2 zo weinig belicht worden terwijl ze vaak veel boeiender zijn dan de grote gebeurtenissen (die meestal meer effect hadden maar toch). Wel interessant wat je daar zegt, zal eens kijken of ik zo films kan vinden.
750 thousand Bosnian Muslims were in the partisans. Sarajevo was liberated by the Bosnians, the first Muslim assault brigade marched into Sarajevo and liberated it.
There is a communist list of some 75,000 people who were killed in Jasenovac. However, the genocide against the Serbs did not take place only in Jasenovac. Serbs were killed and thrown into pits across Herzegovina, on trains from Sarajevo heading towards Jasenovac, whoever escaped was thrown into the Drina. In my village near Sarajevo, they burned everything, and children were thrown onto pitchforks and slaughtered with knives. Units of Jure Francetić composed of Croats and Muslims.
Bosniaks are just that - Bosniaks. For the past 80+ years, Croat nationalists claimed that Bosniaks don't exist, that they're just confused Croats. On the east, Serbs claim that Bosniaks are just confused Serbs. However, Bosniaks declare themselves as Bosniaks, independent and unrelated to either of those 2 groups. Who do you believe? The conquerors from Croatia and Serbia or the defenders in Bosnia? Also, the term is not exclusive to people of Islamic faith in Bosnia, it was used for all inhabitants of Bosnia for 1000 years until the Serbo-Croat fascists tried to erase the term and overwrite it with "Serbo-Croatian". They did the same with our unique language and forcefully renamed it to "Serbo-Croatian" prior to WW2. Croat and Serb propaganda and cultural appropriation was truly atrocious to our culture and our nation as a whole. I think it's high time that these historical inaccuracies be called out and people in the West need to learn more before trusting the genocidal fascists who still prey Bosnia as theirs.
Bosanski Muslimani su vjekovima bili dušmani svima okolo kao i porobljenoj raji u BiH,sebe smatraju nasljednicima turaka i jedinim gospodarima BiH i zadnji rat u BiH bio je samo jedan u nizu oslobodilačkih protiv turskih kvinslinga Muslimana za mnoge nemuslimane!Treba shvatiti da su drugi balkanski narodi Grci, Bugari i Rumunji iselili svoje Muslimane kad su se oslobodili Turaka samo Srbi su pogriješili i ostavili Muslimane stvarajući prvu Jugoslaviju!
How did the Serbs opress Croats during Kingdom of Yugoslavia? That is a false claim to justify one of the worst genocides in human history and current opression if Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia. You are not a propper historian if you use modern ideas and impose them as common trues for the past. Serbian rule of Croatia was much more tolerant than Hungarian or German. It was just hatred towards Orthodox Church and anti serbian racism that led to this genocide. I repeat, give me one claim about serbian repression of Croats that can justify genocide.
Hanjar was made to protect ourself from chetniks (serbs) , also many Bosniaks been in Partisans. My 2 grea grandfathers went to war one for hanjar other for partisanes
Looking at Bosnia in ww2 it was really interesting to se muslims in the axis army or the SS but still it was the center of everything happening in the balkans in ww2
There are war crimes. And then, there are Ustashe crimes. It's hard to describe Ustashe crimes, sometimes the only word I can think of is satanism. There was this famous case of "children's dead kolo" ("kolo" is serbian national dance, when people gather and form circle to dance with music). This infamous crime happend at Kordun, when a patrol of partisans witnesses an unimaginable scene. They've found 24 dead serbian kids, 12 boys and 12 girls, noone older than one year, completely naked and put at the top of each other, in circle. Boys were put on girls, so it can simulate them having sexual intercourse, and they were rounded in circle, to simualte dancing in kolo. It was a really satanic sight, and many partisan fighters, who were though as they already endured hardships of war, just couldn't take it and bursted to tears right away. A real horror
Well when you start crying about Ustase it would be nice to put things in perspective and maybe reflect on the crimes of your own people that happened IN OUR LIFETIMES and not something that was done 80 years ago? @@yellowwasprakija2869
Not really, first Alija Izetbegović issued an "Islamic declaration", a sort of book on how Bosnian state should be governed. Of course, Serbs were welcome as second class citizens providing they pay the jizzya and obey the laws of islamic state of Bosnia. Then they started a war they won't even survive let alone win so they called their brothers from middle east and extremists from all across Europe, guess what, Osama bin Laden and many other high ranking Al Qaeda warlords had Bosnian citizenship and passports that have later been revoked. After that they realized they'll disappear even with help from Al Qaeda so they had to gain sympathies from international community so they bombed the Markale market place, staged Srebrenica etc. The rest is history...
What about the Greater Serbia ideology gospodine? Did you forget about that!? How can we have an Islamic country in the middle of Europe between two Christian denominations? That's not possible unless Serbs and Croats drop dead to the floor. What about the Bosniaks who were killed at the beginning of the war in Zvornik? The reason you are using Osama's name (pretty childish excuse to use) is to piss off America and the West to hate us. Thank god not everyone in the West is backwards thinking and hate minding like you. Tvoja mater je tebe trebala abortirati kad je imala sansu... @@bnast6849
@@SrdjanBasaric-w2s😂😂 That is a lie, like everything else that came or is still coming from serbs, playing victims, but are the really causing problems everywhere they are.
@@HistoryHustleYou are spreading Croatian pro Ustaša propaganda then by your free whil. There are sources that are more precise, records from serb ortodox church and even population cenzus when Bosnia was anexed by Austro-hungaria. This is a typical manipulation in propaganda, making a critical artical and planting a information that suits your cause...
@@HistoryHustleProblem actually is that you are looking at the Yugoslav historians who grew up under the Communism, therefore their sources are highly debatable and is sad that western historians are using those propaganda books not making any deeper research. Nothing against your video but this is fact, Tito books and historians that were allowed to write in that time are made to glorify him by removing all bad things and massacres which Partisans made during and especially after the WW2. Not to mention Tito apsolute incompetence during the whole WW2 saving his back while leaving his own people to die like in Užice 1941
@@HistoryHustle I was in the Canadian Army United Nations Protection Force "UNPROFOR" we were attacked near Gospic preventing a massacre of civilians you can read about it on Wikipedia under "Operation Medal Pocket". It was life or death for these villagers so I HAD to fight, we were ordered to Protect them and the enemy was firing at us with intent to kill. Kosovo was 1999 mainly Convoy escort, checkpoints, and LOTS of patrolling preventing different Militias from infiltration into "Safe Zones".
The Ustaše movement was founded in 1929 as a response to Serbian fascism and hegemony and as a response to the fascist dictatorship of the Serbian Karadjordjevic dynasty. Not everything is black and white as you want to falsely portray. The Ustaški movement is a reaction to Serbian fascism and hegemony during the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. When the Ustasha movement was founded, it was a nationalist and terrorist movement like the Irish Ira, the Basque Eta, or the Palestinian Plo. Since they had their cells in Italy, they connected with the Italian fascists because the Italians also had an interest in the destruction of the Yugoslav kingdom.
The so-called Krajina was a fascist criminal creation based on ethnic cleansing and mass crimes against Croats. The Medak pocket is located in Lika, and Lika is a region in Croatia.
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Idea is pronounced with three syllables, i-de-a, not i-dea, because of word origin. Please look it up.
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Serb children forced to convert .
Being married to a Serb for the last 30 years, and having spent time in Serbia, Croatia and Montenegro, this topic and discussion interests me deeply. Thank you for your documentary.
Thanks for your reply!
If you are married to a Serb why don't you read history to find out the facts rather than listen to some Dutch talking about Yugoslav history. Imagine, Dutch to telling people about your wife's history. If you asked former German Nazis you would learn more facts that this one.
30 years with Serb and still alive??
Alive and happy, don't stereotype or believe everything you hear. She's loyal, pretty, unselfish, cooks, cleans, cuts the grass when I can't get to it. We met on the dance floor in a CW club 2-stepping. So we also spend time dancing together. We have 2 grown healthy boys/men.@@modricaninmodricki7559
First of all, since I know less about you than the author of this article, that makes your opinion and advice less credible than his. Second, I fully capable of deciding which resource is better than this article if I choose to research this further. Third, my mother-in-law first hand experienced the occupation and gave me her personal recounting of how the Germans treated her. There is a memorial in the town of Kragujevac in which the nazi's brutally murdered 3000 school children in the school for unruly behavior. So a nazi is the last person (even if I knew one) I would interview/read about to hear their side of the story. @@Ana-bw7gm
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You told this unique and complex story so well professor!! Many things I was confused about surrounding these
Conflicts during world war 2 were cleared up!
Thanks for your reply Nick!
Bosnia during WW2 was hell on earth. NDH, Germans, Italy, Partizans, Chetnics... Ustashe caused non stop constant battles and massacres, masiv national, civil and ideological wars. End the end Partizans, most consist by Serbs, made it base from it. My grandfather wanted to go there from East Serbia to join them. But it was extremely difficult and dangerous because of difficult terrain and many armed groups.
Actualy chetnicks were genocidal back then same as in the 90es. Ustase were merely responding to violence with violence.
That's why he joined Četniks, much closer and easier...
@@edinresic3125 a dje ste ustasko i hrvatsko cvijece, izdaje krvi svoje i pradjedova svojih..slovenske poturice!!
@@edinresic3125 četnici su narodno oslobodilačka vojska i legitimna vojska .Tito ih je oklevetao kod engleza i amera.Inače svih 8 ofanziva je bilo na srpskim teritorijama ustaše skoro nije ni napadao kao ni hanđźarlije zato su srbi najviśe stradali.
What massacres?
thanks for featuring bosnia during ww2
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Where did Carl say he was proud of it?@GNikolov1944
Thank you for this video. One more info about Ustashi: from a French, (ex) Catholic point of view, I know that the French clergy, French diplomacy, and even the Vatican in some point, were kind of fascinated by Ustashis as they constituted the first catholic State in the region for a long time. Especially the influence of Franciscans of Zaghreb into the regime if I remember well.
Interesting to read, thanks for sharing.
Fascinated, how?
@@danielm6319 to the degree of being blinded about the persecutions and violence.
The Ustaše movement was founded in 1929 as a response to Serbian fascism and hegemony and as a response to the fascist dictatorship of the Serbian Karadjordjevic dynasty. Not everything is black and white as you want to falsely portray. The Ustaški movement is a reaction to Serbian fascism and hegemony during the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. When the Ustasha movement was founded, it was a nationalist and terrorist movement like the Irish Ira, the Basque Eta, or the Palestinian Plo. Since they had their cells in Italy, they connected with the Italian fascists because the Italians also had an interest in the destruction of the Yugoslav kingdom.
@@SrdjanBasaric-w2s The Ustaše movement is only a reaction to vampirized Serbian fascism and hegemony. A wedge is knocked out by a wedge.
Thank you Stefan for sharing your European knowledge with all of us ❤ your welcome ☺️
Awesome Jesse. I thought it was about time to give you a shout out!
Awesome as always. A good insight into a overlooked area
Thanks for your response.
@@HistoryHustle thank you!
Thankyou. A good introduction into another obscure part of World War II, often overlooked in the greater tragedy.
Thanks for watching.
I'm an expatriate living in the Balkans . The people's politics and history is complicated the people Bosians , Serb or Albanians are friendly people . There atrocities to each other baffles me.
Hopefully it remains peaceful now.
They are peaceful but the problem is Serbs don't want to stop pushing their nationalistic aspirations towards others. Even to this day, Serbs want to chip away 50% of Bosnian land for themselves.
why do you call yourself an ex pat and not an immigrant? Are you from a western country?
Serbs won’t stop their crap. Troubled people
Another great video Stefan, very interesting and informative of this little known area of the Second World War
Thanks for sharing this.
The Yugoslavia and Balkans history was so complex in 1941, as it was in the 1995 too. Great topic, Stefan.
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It was not that complicated. Catholics and muslim joined forces to exterminate Serb natives and then majority. Unique occasion to see how the Papists treated other Christian denominations ( and still doing). If you don't bow to the Pope, you're not considered as a human being, yet as Christian.
@@Cp6uH_ just one sentence>Moljevic plan for extermination muslim from east Bosnia, Sanjak etc.
@@Cp6uH_the Serbs came to Bosnia in 1400 fleeing the Turks, and through agrarian reform they got the land of the Bosnians and thus occupied the land of the Bosnian Muslims. the Chetniks committed various crimes in the letter that Petar sends to Drazi, he says that he killed 7 thousand Muslims from Foca to Trebinje, of which only 1200 soldiers remained civilians, that is why the Hannzdar division was founded to protect the Bosniaks, but later Hitler recruited them into the Nazis
Marcos, it Is partly right. But topic Is this video Are Bosnia and Herzegovina in WW2. There Is not so complex. Serbian people Are against Axis Powers and in Belgrade Serbian officers of Yugoslav Army overthrow the Regent and Government who sign 2 days ago to join Axis Powers. Because of that, without declaring the war Hitler, Mussolini and Hungary attacked Yugoslavia and won. In Bosnia...Serbs go to Yugoslav Army to defend their country from agression but Muslims and Croats were deserted and even disarm Yugoslav units ( role of Tito's Communist Party is complex in that short "April war" ). But role of Colonel Draza Mihalovic Is not. His unit crush some Ustashi rebellion in some Bosnian city and refused and order that he and his unit surrender to the Nazis. He go to Serbia and made First Resistance movement in occupied Yugoslavia ( "Chetniks" ) in May 1941. Hitler made Indipendent State of Croatia with leader Ante Pavelic ( Ustashi ). The Catholic Church and Islam religion community who were support that new Government. In Spring 1941 Croatian And Muslim Ustashi in Bosnia and Herzegovina started genocide over Serbs, Jews and Gypsies. They killed them in their houses and some of them Ustashi put in Death camps such Jasenovac. Serbs took arms in their hands and defend their families. But after June 22, 1941 Tito Got order From USSR to start uprising in Yugoslavia. In the beginning, Chetniks and Tito's partizans Are fight together. But war goal of Communist are not interest of Ustashi genocide. They Are Got order to fight against Germans, Italians and Ustashi. Because of that they divide in Bosnia too. And started two Resistance guerillas were started civil war between thereselves. Till the capitulation of Italy in 1943. In Tito's partizans were 80% Serbs. After that Muslim and Croats started to join Partizans. Till the May 1945. In Chetniks were 90% Serbs. Allies in 1943. Are decided to support Tito and reject General D. Mihailović. Marcos, Serbs were Allies with Brazilian Army. Either in Partizans or Chetniks. Continue with BRICS.🎉
Sarajevo so beautiful, and interesting history video!
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As a Historian by Training, I am very impressed with your work. I am retired after 35+ years of service in and working for the American Army. In addition, I grew up in a county of Iowa whose people are primarily descended from immigrants from the Netherlands. Any way I just wanted to say I truly enjoy your videos.
I was hoping for a video of the Ww2 perspective of Albania, but we got a Bosnia video which I didn't know I had so many questions about 😂. Thank you for making a video on this underrated topic! ❤ ( And showing the kitten)
Thanks for your reply. As of now I won't travel to Albania anytime soon. Sorry!
Excellent channel Stefan. Best wishes from Ireland
Thanks for your reply.
Excellent video ... thank you for posting.
Thanks for watching.
Solid, I'll say as good as can be said in 10 minute format.
Although, there are some mistakes/misconception, mainly about the number of dead in Jasenovac and the nature of resistance movements.
Feel free to share my insights. I am pretty sure about the numbers of Jasenovac. In the future I'll release a video on that.
Number of the victims in Jasenovac is 80 000 by Croatian sources, by Serbian sources that number is significantly bigger, up to 800 000.
@@HistoryHustle Do you study any history prior to 1914? Or do you just go for low hanging fruit?
What about BiH during Hapsburg's or Ottoman's?
Let's discuss BiH when it was predominantly Catholic using Western Stokavian dialect prior to Muslim invasion, then Serbian expansion?
Or is it just easier to hammer the Nazi message over and over and over again?
Surely you're brighter than that, or do you just have an angle and an outdated agenda...
@@max670201Serbian sources have pretty much every confirmed dead person during the WW2 listed as someone who is executed in Jasenovac. On that list is My father's uncle and some of their other relatives. He and my Grandfather are Bosniaks who both were part of the 13th SS Handžar. My father's uncle was killed and Grandfather imprisoned and sent to reeducation camp. Serbs definitely suffered heavily under Ustaše but the numbers they present are heavily inflated and if you ever check out the names of the listed as killed in Jasenovac you will notice so many Croat, Bosniak, Macedonian even Albanian names along with Serbian ones.
You are a travelin' hustler, fer sure. Gee I wish I could do that! Love your work, good detail you won't here anywhere else sometimes. Good Luck Hustler.
Thanks for your reply!
This story is tip of the iceberg, but it is on right path.
My ancestors across Yugoslavia suffered a lot in occupation.
It was a super informative video and thrilled historical coverage of Yugoslavia during WW2 within focusing on Bosnians...thank you Sir (Stefan)...you are an excellent history teacher... and your history Hustle channel is respectful 🙏 and interesting one ..thank you...
And you believe this Dutch? Ask Indonesians about the Dutch.
😂😂😂Bosanci?Srbi su Srbi,Hrvati su Hrvati!A Bosanci?Možda misliš na Bošnjake?
@@duskokukolj5571 Koji su sad ti Bošnjaci ? Je li oni što su se tako proglasili u Hotelu Holidej In u Sarajevu 1993. ? 😂
@@miroslavakostic haaaahaaaa da.Stara evropska nacija stvorena 1992-god.Haaahaaa.
Another excellent piece of work Stefan. Ante Pavelic viewed the Muslim s as Croats who had been forcibly converted to Islam
Thanks for your reply.
Ante Pavelic also viewed the Serbs as subhuman. He was a vile creature full of made up stories like that. Bosniaks are just that - Bosniaks. Croat nationalists claim that Bosniaks don't exist, that they're just confused Croats. Serbs claim that Bosniaks are just confused Serbs. Bosniaks declare themselves as Bosniaks, unrelated to either of those 2 groups. Who do you believe? The conquerors or the defenders? And the term is not exclusive to people of Islamic faith in Bosnia, it was used for all citizens of Bosnia for 1000 years until the Yugoslav identity tried to erase the term and overwrite it with "Serbo-Croatian" propaganda and cultural appropriation.
@@libertas5005There are only four South Slavic nations: Slovenes, Croats, Serbs and Bulgarians. Bosnian or Bosniak (bosanci, bosnjani, bosnjaci) is a demonym, a geographical designation in the official grammar, not a national one. 'Bosniaks' are an artificial nation created in the fall of '93 in the Sarajevo Holiday Inn hotel. They were created on the historical and national heritage of Serbs and Croats. They speak mostly Serbian, with admixtures of Croatian, Turkish and Arabic. They don't have their own flag, coat of arms or anthem, nor national heroes, their own literature, no symbols of a unique nation, the only characteristic for them is Islam.
That narrative is precisely what Serb nationalist pigs like Ratko Mladic or Croat nationalist pigs like Franjo Tudjman were pushing in their propaganda of the 90s. You're parroting war criminal ideology on UA-cam. Just so you know, that shitty Z propaganda may work in Putin's Russia or Vucic's Serbia, but it won't work in NATO dominated Europe. Which is why Bosnia is joining NATO soon. You keep lying to yourself and keep trying to spread your silly fairy tales tho! @@SrdjaZlopogledja
@@SrdjaZlopogledja Your explanation is 100% correct I would like to add that the Bosnians as many call the Muslims in Bosnia (the correct term is boshnjaks) they are a hybrid nation a byproduct of the 500 years of ottoman rule in Bosnia they are mainly descenders to Serbs and to some extent Croats that converted to Islam during the 500 years of ottoman occupation very few of them are descenders to Turks that stayed and assimilated after the ottomans left Bosnia before the ottoman occupation was never a nation state and during that time nation states didn’t exist in Europe and Bosnia was populated by Serbs and Croats at that time there was no ethnic group that called them self’s Bosnians. This not some nonsense or propaganda this is historical and ethno-genetic factuality.
Good video. Keep up the good work
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I have been waiting for this video since you made the croatian video. Thank you so much
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Bosniaks (or Bosnian Muslims) are the biggest victims of World War II in Bosnia. They were used and deceived by all sides of the war. I do not deny the participation of a small group of Bosniaks in the Ustasha troops and SS divisions, but there was a lot of manipulation there. For example, according to my great-grandfather's story, the Ustaše (Croatian Catholics) often dressed like Muslims (they put a fez on their heads) and committed crimes. According to official statistics, most Bosniaks fought on the side of Tito's partisans, but there were also terrible crimes committed against Bosnian Muslim civilians on their side. In 1944, the Chetniks switched to the Partizan side en masse. Although they then changed their uniform, their minds were still ultra-nationalist and they continued the mass crimes against Bosniak civilians that the Chetniks had committed. Thousands of innocent women, children and old people who were not able to defend themselves died in those crimes.
Thank You for this video!
Foča 1942…chetniks committed war crimes on the Bosnian civilians. Cetniks have been committing genocide on the Bosniak population since the ottomans left in the late 1800s.
Right buddy .... Just talk to the Serb children that had their eyes gauged out my the ustasa while their teacher was raped in kozara. You were loyal to the ustasa unlike us serbs
Good video. But i sugest to make video of WWI and Yugoslavia from 1918 tp 1941
Perhaps something for the future.
Who's the little co-host at the end of the video?
Very friendly kitten who approached me while filming 😺
So awesome Stephen I am listening Carefully 😊 I am finding more details of my grandfather of Utasha I am digging more so into questions I have found
I am so excited Stephen with all of this
Keep the details
Larry for oregon
Thanks for your response.
Your best video ever, ending with a kitten🩷
Thanks for your reply!
Very interesting Stefan, such a sad sad story that is again a subject that hasn't received the coverage it should have.
Thanks for the video
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Nice video. I'm curious if you think Yugoslavia would have ended up in a civil war even if WWII didn't happen. There was obviously ethnic hatred in the country already., so even without WWII, I think it would have eventually exploded into a war. Take care.
Pozz iz Sarajeva !!
Nije to građanski Rat bio već Vjerski !!
Katolici Muslimani Pravoslavci !!
Nažalost moglo se to sve izbjeći mirnim putem tj Papir i Olovka !!
EU i ostatak Svijeta je oči zatvorio i desio se Prokleti Rat kome nije ništa dobro donjeo !! Još jednom pozdrav iz Bosne 🇧🇦 Sarajeva !!
Here is simplified explanation.
Hatred between Muslims and Serbs began after Turks were driven away from Serbia and Bosnia. Muslims in Bosnia are converted Serbs and Croats and back in the day they were regarded as traitors of their own people. Hatred between Croats and Serbs started after first world war as Croats fought on side of Austria.
It is little know fact that first world war was in best interest of Austria as political party in Croatia ( that was Austrian province ) was union of Serbs and Croats.
Je li možete, molim Vas, napraviti video o Kraljevini SHS i tadašnjih stavova između naroda?
One of your best. Thanks BZ.
Nice tuxedo.
Thanks!
Great report.
Thanks for watching.
Thanks Brother for give me knowledge about History.
You are doing great work with your channel. Bosnian Muslims in WW2 with various sides, autonomous pro-Axis movement (generally more loyal to Germans than to Ustasha, with exception like Pjanić)miltias and warlords that shifted sides do deserve their own episode IMO. As well as Bihać Republic and 7 offensives. I am looking forward to it if you decide to make it. I am just sorry you didn't take the opportunity to point at Sarajevo and say: "Sehen Sie diese Stadt? Das ist Walter"-ex-yu viewers older than 40 would go crazy
Thanks for your response!
I have seen that film on UA-cam! Das Ist Walter?
What about Serbian people how many Serbia people as partisan most was chetniks and not too most Serbian people like Chetniks
"Local priests and merchants armed themselves against the Ustase" I find this a fascinating detail considering that the Ustase claimed to be Catholic
Ortho schismatics I'd assume.
@@alswann2702The entire video is full of bs.
Many clerks where involved in genocide and converting serbs. Fra satan majstorovic was one of worst
that's how history played with Bosniaks. That people never wanted to accept the pope, they had their own religion and the Bosnian church, which was declared heretical by the pope. Bosnian rulers even falsely accepted Catholicism in order to save themselves from the crisis. 3 crisis campaigns were launched in Bosnia, fortunately they were stopped by the skilful manipulation of the Bosnian rulers. Later, the last king accepted Catholicism and started a violent rebellion, the people turned away from him and considered him a traitor to the Bosnian church at that time the Turks offered religious freedom and the people sided with the Ottomans in time they accepted Islam. Serbs and Croats see Bosniaks as traitors because they accepted Islam, and in fact Serbs and Croats were forcibly converted, the only people in the heart of Europe who resisted forced conversion are Bosniaks. It is a libertarian nation that defies death because of Islam in the center of Europe, and if 80 percent of Bosniaks do not practice Islam out of spite, they will not renounce it.
I dare you to do a complete video on The Bleiburg Tragedy.
Tragedy, hahaha. It was well deserved punishment for the Croatian Nazis.
@@GothicKnight81 ooooh, the first Cetnik has appeared...
Will cover that if I get there.
@@RobFiles I am not Chetnik. neither I like them. I am Antifascist.
Bleiburg was almost only justice your beloved insanely cruel nazis had to face so go to your local nazi meeting and don't come here with your extreme stupidities. Your comments are a real tragedy.
Can you do an episode about the slovene chetniks?
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Da li je autor ovog videa ikada imao istoriju u školi kao učenik? Toliko neznanja i površnih podataka na jednom mestu, zaista neverovatno.
See sources below the video.
@@HistoryHustle Većina istorijskih falsifikata. Gebels bi bio ponosan na tebe.
Ovaj autor je dobro placenta od strane srpskog Vucicevog rezima.
Holandija je imala tkodje svoje naciste tkz. NSB partiju koji su saradjivali sa nacistickom Njemackom.
Thank you Sir
God bless you for this work telling the people true
Thank you for this video, great work! My great grandfather was a chetnik in the region of surrounding the Ozren mountain. What you say about chetnik decentralization is true. He led a small band of local men to protect the villages from bosniak and croatian extremists. His name was Jovan.
Thanks for watching.
Based Bosnia!!!
Thanks for watching.
Thank God I am Bosnian! All we want is peace and no FASCISM!
I understand.
Good video again stefan!
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I do like Bosnia. Bosna je jedina nasa domovina.
Great History Lesson.
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Bosnia has been crazy the past 100 years
True.
Agree
the last 100 years? here are some historical data according to the Austro-Hungarian census from 1879, Serbs in Bosnia were 52%, by 1910 200,000 Serbs were forcibly evicted, and 250,000 Croats, Czechs and others from Austria-Hungary immigrated to Bosnia, 200,000 Serbs were killed in WW1, in 1921 in 56.3% of Serbs lived in Sarajevo, today maybe 5%. Today in Bosnia, Serbs make up about 33% of the population. As a result of the systematic destruction of the Serb population, in 150 years the number of Serbs doubled and Muslims quadrupled, with the fact that Bosnia is a Serbian medieval state. it is symptomatic that Serbs are a minority today.a classic example of colonial doctrine in this case against Europeans,it is interesting that it took 560 years of Turkish, Austro-Hungarian and communist occupation and genocide against Serbs for Muslims to become a majority of 52%
300years
More like, neighbors of Bosnia have been crazy. Bosnia - been in a sandwich between two nationalistic neighbors for 1000 years. Survived the Hungarians, the Byzantines, the Ottomans, the Habsburgs, the Nazis and the Communists, the Serbs and the Croats. Still survives to this day. Slava Bosni!
The fact that all offensives were lead in Bosnia says that Partisans were insignificant factor in Croatia and Serbia. Even now, the nationalist sentiment is prevailing in these two countries.
It's also notable mention that in Nazi Occupied Europe, western Bosnia was first free territory recaptured by anti Nazi forces, at the time partisans en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biha%C4%87_Republic
Would love to cover this one day on location!
Sounds like neat idea as this isn't covered much at all on youtube, go at it!@@HistoryHustle
Bosnian Muslims were not only the greatest anti-fascists, but the entire partisan movement would not have succeeded without them. All offensives were conducted in Bosnia, and Tito trusted Bosniaks the most. The Serbs constructed history as they wanted, and the truth is that the majority of Serbs simply switched from the Chetniks to the Partisans near the end of the war.
What about ancient pre colonial history of Guyana, Nicaragua, Honduras, Belize, and the rest of North and South America, Africa, South Asia, and Polynesia?
Croatians, Bosnians, Ukrainians and any other German collaborators in the eastern war became darlings in the west to this day. Not sure why collaborators in the west didn’t get such treatment
Please explain.
@@HistoryHustlelooking at the Yugoslav wars 90s and the Ukraine War 2023, the west support of people I mentioned, whom generally worked with the Germans, against the western “bad guys of Russia and Serbia”, who still hold wwii grievances, right or wrong. Just something I’ve noted even in the 90s
@@willnill7946 Ukrainian collaboration of WW2 has nothing to do with today. The collaborators of back then are dead. Different times now. Don't believe in Putin's propaganda.
It is the same war that continues to be waged by that religious institution in Rome against the only 2 truly Orthodox nations in Europe, Serbs and Russians. Croats, Muslims, Banderists are only tools(very nasty tools), specifically designed over the last several centuries for this purpose.
@@HistoryHustle this isn’t propaganda, it’s a unmistakable fact.
Thanks, Stefan, for this edition today. What did you mean by "priests and merchant"? Are you saying that Croatian priests and merchants due to food shortages took up arms against the Ustashi? Also the terms Bosnians and Moslems are a bit difficult. Serbs in Bosnia referred to themselves as Bosnians or Bosnaks. Moslems were simply Moslems as they had no concept of nationality. It had to be invented for them by outsiders. They were for the most part converted Slavs, both Serbs and Croats, so when they joined either voluntarily or under pressure the umma, they simply became Moslems. They continued to speak their dialects and when they went to the mosques they heard prayers in a language that they simply mimicked. Most could not understand more than the rudimentaries of Arabic. It was not something taught like we teach modern languages today. The Serbs used Slavonic in their church, the Croats mostly Latin and the Moslems Arabic, so there was little difference in a strange way. Also because it was a religion adopted under duress, they were not all that religious. Drinking and smoking were very wide-spread to the point of being considered normal Moslem practices. Honest Moslems will know and confess to this. It is only with the war and the arrival of saudi-style Islam that we see the more radical changes, many not for the better in my opinion. It is indeed odd and sad to see young women with heavily painted faces under veils.
are you sure, although it is an undeniable fact that the Croatian Catholic/Muslim Ustasha killed the most Serbs, the fact is that the German Wehrmacht, not the "SS", shot over 30,000 Serbian civilians in occupied Serbia in 4 months of 1941 in retaliation for the Serbian rebellion
Your comment is so full of inaccurate BS that it hurts my head reading it. Also, the correct spelling is Muslim not "moslem".
@@SrdjanBasaric-w2s correct me if I'm wrong, the territory where the rebellion is happening is Serbia and the territories where the Serbs are the majority, almost all the rebels are Serbs, at least 80%, do you think that the Serbian peasants knew what communism was, they just wanted to fight against the Germans, the Croats ,Bulgarians, Albanians...more precisely, to kill anyone who kills Serbs, regardless of the enemy's nation's religion or race or ideology. To summarize, it was a Serbian rebellion that was used by communist opportunists.
Pavelić family first moves to Jezero near Jajce, where Pavelić attends primary school, a Muslim school. There he heard about Muslim customs and lessons that later influenced his attitude towards Bosnia and Bosnian Muslims. After that, he attended a Catholic school in Travnik, growing up in a town where the majority of the population was Muslim. Bosnian Muslim culture played an important role in his later political career. Happened many genocides of Catholics and Muslims by Serbs, that's why he doesn't like Serbs. Croatian government and Serbs cooperated with each other to divide Bosnia but failed because Germany invaded and Pavelic came to power. Then there was war in the 90s, the dream was to create Greater Serbia and Greater Croatia, Bosnia has always been caught between these two countries since the end of the 19th century. Orthodox, Catholics and Muslims in Bosnia used to be Bosniaks, under the Kingdom of Yugoslavia Muslims became without ethnicity even under Communism
Good presentation!
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Chetniks didn't collaborate with Nazis. They just didn't fight them because of 1 German 100 Serbs policy.
They literally collaborated, dude. Pećanac, Đujić, Battle of Neretva etc
In Bosnia and Croatia NDH were conducted genocide towards Serbs, based on tree parts. One third kill, second drive away, and last third baptized in Catholicism. From two million Serbs in NDH their results at the end of war were 400 000 killed, 200 000 expelled and 200 000 baptized.
@@lukasunjic750Read again his post. He said in NDH, not Croatia...
As a Bosnian, and a Sarajevan I can proudly say that we keep the flame of anti-fascism alive.
83 000? That's about 10% of the actual number of victims.
Story about "croats with differing opinions" is mostly bs.
"Serbian oppression during yugoslavia" is also not true, it's a NDH myth which served to provide a justification for their actions.
...and remnants for the recent War !!
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Can see how hard has been for Serbians, Bosnians, and Croatians to get along !! 😮
Religious differences fundamentally ...
Great video, Stefan! It's also awesome how you're on location while filming! Keep up the great videos!!! 💪💪
Many thanks!
So where is somw 1.500.000 discrepancy number of Serbs before and after the WWII in that region, if only 80.000 were killed in Jasenovac. 850.000 is the number of brutally massacred there.
I am afraid these are inflated numbers. In Jasenovac around 80,000 were killed. Many others were killed outside in wild killings.
@@HistoryHustleCroats used the Sava river to "deliver meat to the Belgrade marketplace".
So if the Jasenovac complex is inflated, is Aushvic also inflated?
@@milansimonovic8267Yugoslav Communist authorities proved decades ago that the numbers in Jasenovac were inflated and incorrect. Stop believing propaganda.
Don't forget the Foibe when it comes to Partisans' atrocities, the Italians sure haven't.
Hope to cover that one day on location.
No, noi italiani nn dimentichiamo...
Yugoslavia was "a hot mess" , as American say... little wonder it could not survive as a nation with such factions at eachother's throats. The Grand Mufti had fled British Palestine after a failed Arab uprising and collaborated with the Nazis.. his nephew was Yasser Arafat..
Yes, it sure was a mess there in WW2.
Not even remotely related
I am sorry Stefan, but arent 80,000 in Jasenovac considered, untrue? And Croatian genocide denial.
Croatian denial goes further than this.
“[A] leading contemporary Croat historian, Ivo Banac, has reached a figure of about 120,000 victims in all the NDH-run camps. Others have settled on 80,000 victims in the camps of all nationalities, with Serbs making up about 50,000. […] One recent Croatian publication, which draws on the work of both Croat and Serb historians, estimates the total number of casualties in
Yugoslavia during the war at 947,000, of whom 487,000 were Serbs, 207,000 Croats, 86,000 Muslims and 60,000 Jews.”
Croatia. A Nation Forged in War (Marcus Tanner) 151.
@@HistoryHustle Ivo Banac???? His family fled to US immediately after WW2. Can you guess why?
He helped Tudjman(then future president of Croatia, known Serb hater, and holocaust denier)in organizing lectures at Yale in early 1990ies.
And finally:
In his later years, Banac was accused of historical revisionism. In a 2017 lecture organized by the Roman Catholic Diocese of Pozega, Banac stated among other things, that the Ustase movement was based on the tradition of Hajduks and could not be identified with modern fascist movements. Banac also blamed World War II in Yugoslavia on the King Alexander's dictatorship and stated that Communism caused much greater damage than fascism.
It seems that you are intentionally choosing your sources...
The greatest genocide during World War II, in proportion to a nation’s population, took place, not in Nazi Germany but in the Nazi-created puppet state of Croatia. There, in the years 1941-1945, some 750,000 Serbs, 60,000 Jews and 26,000 Gypsies- men, women and children-perished in a gigantic holocaust. These are the figures used by most foreign authors, especially the Germans, who were in the best position to know. Hermann Neubacher, perhaps the most important of Hitler’s troubleshooters in the Balkans, reports that although some of the perpetrators of the crime estimated the number of Serbs killed at one million, the more accurate figure is 750,000.1 One of Hitler’s generals, Lothar Rendulic, who was in the area where the crimes were committed, estimates that in the first year of the existence of the puppet state of Croatia at least a half million Orthodox Serbs were massacred, and that many others were killed in subsequent years.2 French writers most often use the half-million figure while British sources usually cite 700,000 Serbs killed.
Source: Edmond Paris, Genocide in Satellite Croatia, 1941-1945. A Record of Racial and Religious Persecutions and Massacres. The American Institute for Balkan Affairs, 1961
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@milosnovakovic2940 80 000 is the official Jasenovac research center number.dont play number games with dead people thats not nice.80 000 os still a genocide just like 8 000 in Srebrenica is a genocide.
@@HistoryHustle120000 were killed on island Pag, alone, in 1941. 80000 total or 120000 total is an evil lie.
Basically hell on earth, cant believe my grandparents lived through it
Horrible times indeed.
Hi Stephan last year u make video about Macedonia and it was great but can you make a viedeo about war crimes from albanians in western parts in Macedonia, salute mr Stephan from Bitola Macedonia
Hope to return there one day but not anytime soon.
It is easy to tell history in such a superficial way. Not everything was so black and white. Why not take a look at the composition of the Ustasha government by nationality and religion? Why were Muslims predominant in the Ustashas? Why were many Serbs for the Croatian state, but they were fed up with Belgrade? Why not explore Jasenovac more deeply and why the story of Jasenovac exists. The topic is very complex, and history is written by the winners.
Cheers!
History is not written by the victors, but written by those with the most consistent and compelling arguments based on the evidence, backed by a healthy dose of rational logic and passion for debate. The key is not to apologize for any side but to take a firm stand for what's right and what's wrong.
Or a quote of Max Miller: “They say 'history is written by the victors,' but in my experience, history is written by those who write stuff down."
Can you guess my nationality/ethnicity?
I will spit some personal facts:
- My grandfather faught in ww2 as a partisan fighter in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
- My grandfaher's uncle was mobilized and sent by the Austrians to the Eastern front where he surrendered to Russians and joind the Allies so he can come back to fight off Austrians from his doorestep.
- My great grandfather as a Hajduk guerrila fighter faught the Ottomans in Herzegovina in a big rebelious uprising.
- My great great grandfather faught as a Morlac faught the Venezians.
Interesting family history. Cannot guess your nationality... since the regions were so mixed after all... Serbian?
I am a Bosnian Serb. My great grandfather was took from his doorstep, transported to Jasenovac and murdered there.
Sad to read. I visited Jasenovac a while back.
Ante Pavelic the leader of the "Ustasha organisation" was brought up in Bosnia and spent time as a child with the Bosnian muslims. As a result he had a very good relationship with the muslim community in Bosnia. Many of the Ustasha were actually Bosnian muslims, some were high ranking Ustasha members, for example, Deputy Prime Minister Džafer Kulenović (also known as Džafer-beg Kulenović).
Primorous information!
Thanks for watching.
Pretty accurate description of that horrible period. You only lack one very important explanation. Ustasha movement was lot legal or legitime represent of Croatian people. They were not elected and had no support of majority of Croats. Before WW2 they were minor group without significant influence or support. Germany and Italy install them to power after occupation. You can see it in croatian resistance and participation in partisan movement. NDH (independent state of Croatia) was not independent or really croatian or even real state. It was just another puppet state of Germany/Italy. And that imitation of state was literally divided in german and italian "area of influence".
Also, cooperation of croatian Ustasha and serbian Chetniks criminals is shown as underrated. They were "buddies" for most of the war while at the same time killing each other civilians. Insane.
I started collecting at 14 in 1979, since my dad was a ww2 marine combat veteran.
Interesting. What did your dad tell you about his experiences?
I really appreciate your work!
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Thanks Stefan.... and so continues the horrifyingly violent history of the Balkan states. Mostly dominated by criminal Fascist parties but the left also played criminal roles at various times. Other European countries also meddled and made things worse. Has anything good ever happened in these countries ?
A lot of good has happened. Bosnia has one of the most unique cultures in Europe, and its geographical position has been both blessing and a curse. But in the long run, countries like Bosnia have character and remain on the scene for 1000 years. The first Bosnian state was formed as early as 10th century so... Even after all the struggles we still prevail.
In long terms, BIH province was for a long time part of Ottoman Empire, then annexed and integrated in to the Austria-Hungary, Austrian half, and then Slavic states of K SHS/YU, FNRJ/SFRJ.
Opposing politics of the A-H and Serbia are in contuaton, and they have produced ISC-NDH.
Serbian Royals were blinded and fooled by the south Slavic, pan Slavic policies and thought that glory of beeing on the winning side in the Great War will last for ever.
4:15 How did Serbs "oppress Croats during Yugoslav kingdom"? Does that justify their extermination and genocide?
You certainly sound like it does. Serbs did way more good than bad to Croats up to that point.
You are missing a deeper point of "too much similarity" and crisis of identity among many Croats.
"You certainly sound like it does. " In my opinion that is a very wrong-headed assumption. I never stated it justified anything. I am explaining stuff. The Ustasha did not come out of nowhere.
"Serbs did way more good than bad to Croats up to that point."
Your point? Serbs are better than Croats? I refuse to comply to such oversimplifications.
"You are missing a deeper point of "too much similarity" and crisis of identity among many Croats."
Please explain.
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1. You are correct. I am used to YT comment censorship and lately I am exerting less effort when writing comments. I dont really expect them to show up from all the Orwellian censorship and speech mangling. I literally meant "you sound like it" without implying that you believe it or intentionally did it. I think that it should be more clearly stated that what NDH did cannot have an easy explanation. Culture, history, Vatican, identity had to be taken into account and not simply state "Serbs did something so Croats did something else". Its beyond any comparison or logical chain.
2. ""Serbs did way more good than bad to Croats up to that point."
Your point? Serbs are better than Croats? I refuse to comply to such oversimplifications. "
I just thought I was too harsh but than you wrote this. We are not that different. :D Some Serbs certainly harmed some Croats before WW2 and some unfortunate things did happen. But my point was that you cannot just say (even implicitly) that "Serbs did something to Croats" and then got genocided in return. What happened in NDH is as fascinating and absurd as it is catastrophic.
3. As you probably know but didnt mention here, Croatian hatred towards Serbs has, in large part, its roots in Serbs and Croats being too similar. Its a case of narcissism of small differences. Aggressive Vatican proselytism and AH geostrategic projects converted many former Serbs into "Croats". Those converts were the worst Serb haters. Its a mess.
Thanks for your response.
1. I fully agree it's not just the Croats “responding”. The Ustasha crimes are extremely severe. They even shocked the Nazis. I made a video on this too:
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2. I agree the Ustasha crimes are an extreme tragedy. What I do think it that it came out of something. The Yugoslav Kingdom was in my eyes a failed state where unlike Tito's Yugoslavia the government was never able to keep things together.
3. Croats and Serbs are similar. It's sad that differences are being exploited by politicians. Still till this day.
You Serbs committed genocide against Croats, Bosnian Muslims, Albanians, Jews, Roma, Hungarians in Vojvodina, and Bulgarians in Timok Krajina during WWII.
Proud of ancestors S.S.HANĐAR DIVIZION
Not sure if you should be proud on this unit...
@@HistoryHustle You are a foreign lunatic only educated enough to be a high school teacher with no idea about our region and most of these photos you are using were staged by the Yugoslav regime with nobody in them even identified. The SS Handzar was Bosnia's expression of a Bosnian Muslim desire to be independent from Croatia and Serbia. If there was no Serb militarism, and no Croat encroachments, there never would have been Handzar. The unit fulfilled military objectives and also a humanitarian objective. You mention absolutely nothing about the carnage inflicted over a century on the Muslim populations of the region which went unaddressed. Serbs did not die proportionally the most in the region during this time period. Bosniaks did. When Germany violated the terms on which Handzar was founded, the unit mutinied and rose up. The only goal was to liberate ourselves from hostile regional aggressors in Zagreb and Belgrade, who are dangerous to the Muslim population more so than any foreign "aggressor", nothing else.
The pronunciation is not Yasenovach, it's Yasenovatz.
I stand corrected. Did my best.
Pretty bad video I must say, as you didnt explained how much Serbs suffered in NDH, and your claim of 80k people who died in Jasenovac are same as Croatian state(and their national interest is to keep the number low). You didnt explained how almost all resistance against occupation was done by the Serbs at the beginning of the war( Partisan or Chetniks). As someone whose family members were on Kozara and captured by the Ustasha(some died in Jasenovac, others were given to Croat families to help work on a farms) Im very disappointed in this video which is clearly biased towards fascist Croats and Bosnian Muslims(they become "Bosniaks" in 1993).
First sorry for your family. Second, I refer to my sources. I am afraid you have your biases as well. I assume you are pro-Serbian and want me to emphasize the suffering of the Serbs (which I talked about in the video) as much as possible and tell how heroic they fought. Lastly. What are your sources?
@@HistoryHustle Even english wikipedia which is usually biased against Serbs is enough of source for my statements. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia . They claim at minimum 200k deaths. For ethnic structure of Partisan formations you dont have to look further than where first uprising began. Drvar, Bosanski Petrovac, Lika etc. 90% Serbian population. Again Wikipedia for reference en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Partisans#Bosnia_and_Herzegovina_2 . Croats and Muslims only joined in mass numbers after Italy surrendered. I dont want to lose time finding other sources and then you can say to me that my Serbian sources are biased. This is common knowledge at least in part of Bosnia where I live.
Correction, chetnik goon. Bosnian Muslims _regained_ their proper name Bosniaks in 1993.
@@ShejtanVrbaski Ispravio sam ga jer je u par navrata govorio Ustaše i Bošnjaci su uradili to i to, a ako već priča o tom periodu onda mora govoriti o ustašama i Bosanskim Muslimanima jer Bošnjaci nisu postojali u ww2. Nemam ništa protiv da se tako zovete sada ili kako god hoćete, pričam samo o istorijskom kontekstu. I daleko sam ja od četnika..
@@HistoryHustle I am Serbian but I will give you a source from a prominent Israeli historian Gideon Greif so you can't label me being pro-Serbian as you did with my compatriot above. He wrote the book called "Auschwitz of the Balkans" (which I wholeheartedly recommend you to read it if you want to talk about this subject in educated manner) where he is writing about network of Jasenovac extermination camps (there were dozens of them and they were literally death industry and I am safe to say demonic place because of the ways how Croatian Ustashas were killing people there).
Here you can see one shorter interview of Gideon Greif himself about his book: ua-cam.com/video/TR9UxwO7QlQ/v-deo.html
He recorded dozens (I think 57 if I recall well) of ways of killing people and he cites in one of his interviews Yad Vashem sources (you have to admit they are quite meticulous with their findings) that over 800000 Serbs alone by his estimation were killed of which around 70000 were children alone. Ustashas in NDH were having extermination camps for children alone separated from adults (one of them was located in Sisak). Back then Sava river was flowing in red color from the blood of killed people in death factory called Jasenovac so you can have "visual perspective" for that matter.
So Gideon Greif was referencing three publication from the investigations from Yad Vashem.
First source: Holocaust History - Yugoslavia by Menachem Shelah published back in 1990 by Yad Vashem. On page 189 there is written "700000 it can be considered a real number". Quite similar or same figure was mentioned in the same book on pages 173, 188, 189 and 190.
Second source: Community Registry - Yugoslavia by Zvi Loke published back in 1988 by Yad Vashem. In that book in page 316 under the term "Jasenovac" says: "By official estimations in the network of Jasenovac extermination camps it was killed over 700000 people. Majority of them were Serbs but among them there was 40000 Jews from Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia as well as Roma people".
Third source: Holocaust Encyclopedia by Israel Gutman published back in 1990 by Yad Vashem. In third book on page 575 is written: "In extermination camp Jasenovac there were killed over 600000 of Serbs, Jews, Roma and opponents of Ustasha regime".
Basically Auschwitz of the Balkans book is full of cited credible resources.
I am talking serious and respectable sources published by leading memorial center for preserving the memory of Holocaust in Israel. Croatians today or descendants of very same Ustashas wants to deflate the number [instead to repent nor there is a trace of repent for a genocide their ancestors did] of the victims (is the one you have used in your video incidentally) even though their land is heavily soaked with Serbian, Jew and Roma blood along with the bones from the very same people planted in Croatian soil...
So these sources are not pro-Serbian bullshit as many of you who deals with historical "facts" or deceptions are taking it as such but it is from a source that no one denies or can't be denied. So here are the sources for you if you seek the truth and justice. I hope that you are the kind of person who is historian for those reasons alone.
Yes, Yugoslavia after 1945 had their investigation commission and the person named Dr. Srboljub Zivanovic (pathologist) came to a figure of at least of 750000 people killed and he had to flee former Yugoslavia to Great Britain because of the threats addressed to him and his family. So you can decide for this one will you use it as you might label me being pro-Serbian but from the sources from professor Gideon Greif and Yad Vashem you can't deny that. As I said before I gave you the sources now do your investigation work properly.
There was also one more investigation about the fate of Roma people in Ustasha NDH Croatia led by Dr. Dragoljub Ackovic in his study "Samudaripen Roma u Nezavisnoj Državi Hrvatskoj" who was prominent and leading expert in Roma people history and culture. He came to a figure of 80000 of Roma people ALONE killed in most gruesome and demonic ways but again you decide will you take this one as valid. Roma people are living with us Serbs and it would be quite unfair and unjust not to mention their victims since we both suffered together from the hands of the same Ustasha demons in Croatia.
basically it was OCCUPIED
True.
Ze zouden hier een langspeelfilm over moeten maken, vind ik.
Eens. Helaas is de Bosnische filmindustrie klein en heeft (te) weinig middelen. In Tito's Joegoslavië werden nog wel de nodige WO2-films gemaakt, maar deze waren erg eenzijdig, propagandistisch en actie georiënteerd.
@@HistoryHustle Jammer feitelijk, dat zo veel gebeurtenissen over WO2 zo weinig belicht worden terwijl ze vaak veel boeiender zijn dan de grote gebeurtenissen (die meestal meer effect hadden maar toch). Wel interessant wat je daar zegt, zal eens kijken of ik zo films kan vinden.
750 thousand Bosnian Muslims were in the partisans. Sarajevo was liberated by the Bosnians, the first Muslim assault brigade marched into Sarajevo and liberated it.
Somebody lied to you
There is a communist list of some 75,000 people who were killed in Jasenovac. However, the genocide against the Serbs did not take place only in Jasenovac. Serbs were killed and thrown into pits across Herzegovina, on trains from Sarajevo heading towards Jasenovac, whoever escaped was thrown into the Drina. In my village near Sarajevo, they burned everything, and children were thrown onto pitchforks and slaughtered with knives. Units of Jure Francetić composed of Croats and Muslims.
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4:49 Their hats look like drums 🥁
Lol.
Bosniaks are just that - Bosniaks. For the past 80+ years, Croat nationalists claimed that Bosniaks don't exist, that they're just confused Croats. On the east, Serbs claim that Bosniaks are just confused Serbs. However, Bosniaks declare themselves as Bosniaks, independent and unrelated to either of those 2 groups.
Who do you believe? The conquerors from Croatia and Serbia or the defenders in Bosnia? Also, the term is not exclusive to people of Islamic faith in Bosnia, it was used for all inhabitants of Bosnia for 1000 years until the Serbo-Croat fascists tried to erase the term and overwrite it with "Serbo-Croatian". They did the same with our unique language and forcefully renamed it to "Serbo-Croatian" prior to WW2. Croat and Serb propaganda and cultural appropriation was truly atrocious to our culture and our nation as a whole.
I think it's high time that these historical inaccuracies be called out and people in the West need to learn more before trusting the genocidal fascists who still prey Bosnia as theirs.
Thanks for sharing your insights.
Bosanski Muslimani su vjekovima bili dušmani svima okolo kao i porobljenoj raji u BiH,sebe smatraju nasljednicima turaka i jedinim gospodarima BiH i zadnji rat u BiH bio je samo jedan u nizu oslobodilačkih protiv turskih kvinslinga Muslimana za mnoge nemuslimane!Treba shvatiti da su drugi balkanski narodi Grci, Bugari i Rumunji iselili svoje Muslimane kad su se oslobodili Turaka samo Srbi su pogriješili i ostavili Muslimane stvarajući prvu Jugoslaviju!
How did the Serbs opress Croats during Kingdom of Yugoslavia? That is a false claim to justify one of the worst genocides in human history and current opression if Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia. You are not a propper historian if you use modern ideas and impose them as common trues for the past. Serbian rule of Croatia was much more tolerant than Hungarian or German. It was just hatred towards Orthodox Church and anti serbian racism that led to this genocide. I repeat, give me one claim about serbian repression of Croats that can justify genocide.
Hanjar was made to protect ourself from chetniks (serbs) , also many Bosniaks been in Partisans. My 2 grea grandfathers went to war one for hanjar other for partisanes
Lie! Hanjar division was pure Nazi
Looking at Bosnia in ww2 it was really interesting to se muslims in the axis army or the SS but still it was the center of everything happening in the balkans in ww2
Serbs were target in Yugoslavia
There are war crimes. And then, there are Ustashe crimes. It's hard to describe Ustashe crimes, sometimes the only word I can think of is satanism. There was this famous case of "children's dead kolo" ("kolo" is serbian national dance, when people gather and form circle to dance with music). This infamous crime happend at Kordun, when a patrol of partisans witnesses an unimaginable scene. They've found 24 dead serbian kids, 12 boys and 12 girls, noone older than one year, completely naked and put at the top of each other, in circle. Boys were put on girls, so it can simulate them having sexual intercourse, and they were rounded in circle, to simualte dancing in kolo. It was a really satanic sight, and many partisan fighters, who were though as they already endured hardships of war, just couldn't take it and bursted to tears right away. A real horror
They were very brutal yes.
The most brutal atrocities of WWII, weren't committed by the Nazis, but by the Yugoslavians, on each other. Truly horrific !!! 😮😮😮
Horrible things happened there yes.
And then the Serbs did the same thing to Bosnians in 1990s... You learned nothing but hate.@@yellowwasprakija2869
Well when you start crying about Ustase it would be nice to put things in perspective and maybe reflect on the crimes of your own people that happened IN OUR LIFETIMES and not something that was done 80 years ago? @@yellowwasprakija2869
Later, Serbians during the Yugoslav war used this as their justification for their persecutions against Bosnians.
Sad truth.
Not really, first Alija Izetbegović issued an "Islamic declaration", a sort of book on how Bosnian state should be governed. Of course, Serbs were welcome as second class citizens providing they pay the jizzya and obey the laws of islamic state of Bosnia. Then they started a war they won't even survive let alone win so they called their brothers from middle east and extremists from all across Europe, guess what, Osama bin Laden and many other high ranking Al Qaeda warlords had Bosnian citizenship and passports that have later been revoked. After that they realized they'll disappear even with help from Al Qaeda so they had to gain sympathies from international community so they bombed the Markale market place, staged Srebrenica etc. The rest is history...
What about the Greater Serbia ideology gospodine? Did you forget about that!? How can we have an Islamic country in the middle of Europe between two Christian denominations? That's not possible unless Serbs and Croats drop dead to the floor. What about the Bosniaks who were killed at the beginning of the war in Zvornik? The reason you are using Osama's name (pretty childish excuse to use) is to piss off America and the West to hate us. Thank god not everyone in the West is backwards thinking and hate minding like you. Tvoja mater je tebe trebala abortirati kad je imala sansu... @@bnast6849
@@SrdjanBasaric-w2s😂😂 That is a lie, like everything else that came or is still coming from serbs, playing victims, but are the really causing problems everywhere they are.
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80.000 died in Jasenovac? You forgot to put one more zero.
These are the inflated numbers from Yugoslav historians. I refer to my sources. See them below the video.
@@HistoryHustleYou are spreading Croatian pro Ustaša propaganda then by your free whil.
There are sources that are more precise, records from serb ortodox church and even population cenzus when Bosnia was anexed by Austro-hungaria.
This is a typical manipulation in propaganda, making a critical artical and planting a information that suits your cause...
@@HistoryHustleProblem actually is that you are looking at the Yugoslav historians who grew up under the Communism, therefore their sources are highly debatable and is sad that western historians are using those propaganda books not making any deeper research. Nothing against your video but this is fact, Tito books and historians that were allowed to write in that time are made to glorify him by removing all bad things and massacres which Partisans made during and especially after the WW2. Not to mention Tito apsolute incompetence during the whole WW2 saving his back while leaving his own people to die like in Užice 1941
@@HistoryHustleit is the collected documentation that the Ustashas did not destroy.
55.000-80.000 if 800.000 Got killed there wouldnt be any serbs in Croatia in 1991 and not over 600.000 in Bosnia in 1991
STEFAN- That was my first War- 1993 in Krajina (Battle of Medak Pocket) and Sarajevo! Later I had to return in 1999 for Kosovo!
Really? What can you tell us of your experiences if I may ask?
@@HistoryHustle I was in the Canadian Army United Nations Protection Force "UNPROFOR" we were attacked near Gospic preventing a massacre of civilians you can read about it on Wikipedia under "Operation Medal Pocket". It was life or death for these villagers so I HAD to fight, we were ordered to Protect them and the enemy was firing at us with intent to kill. Kosovo was 1999 mainly Convoy escort, checkpoints, and LOTS of patrolling preventing different Militias from infiltration into "Safe Zones".
@@TheSpritz0who were you protecting? who committed the massacre? you don't mention. why is it so hard to pronounce?
The Ustaše movement was founded in 1929 as a response to Serbian fascism and hegemony and as a response to the fascist dictatorship of the Serbian Karadjordjevic dynasty. Not everything is black and white as you want to falsely portray. The Ustaški movement is a reaction to Serbian fascism and hegemony during the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. When the Ustasha movement was founded, it was a nationalist and terrorist movement like the Irish Ira, the Basque Eta, or the Palestinian Plo. Since they had their cells in Italy, they connected with the Italian fascists because the Italians also had an interest in the destruction of the Yugoslav kingdom.
The so-called Krajina was a fascist criminal creation based on ethnic cleansing and mass crimes against Croats. The Medak pocket is located in Lika, and Lika is a region in Croatia.