Edgard Varèse, Ionisation - Ensemble intercontemporain
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- Опубліковано 18 гру 2012
- Edgard Varèse
Ionisation (1931), pour 13 percussions dont 1 piano
Editions Ricordi
Solistes de l'Ensemble intercontemporain
Elèves du Conservatoire National Supérieur de Musique et de Danse de Paris
Susanna Mälkki, direction
Percussions : Gilles DUROT, Samuel FAVRE, Victor HANNA (Ensemble intercontemporain) / Matthieu DRAUX, Adelaide FERRIERE, Jean-Baptiste BONNARD, Noam BIERSTONE, Christophe DRELICH, Julien LACROUZADE, Thibault LEPRI, Sylvain BORREDON, Othman LOUATI
Piano : Sébastien VICHARD
Enregistré à la Cité de la musique le 20 novembre 2012, dans le cadre du Festival d'Automne à Paris
Réalisation et montage : Jérémie Schellaert
Enregistrement sonore : Radio France
Production exécutive Ensemble intercontemporain
Remerciements à Laurent Bayle, Directeur général de la Cité de la musique et à ses équipes, à Christian de Portzamparc
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@@sonicsabbath That's not the joke :)
Hilarious. Well done. I smiled for the first time today :)
Performed this many years ago, forgot how much groove there is to certain sections. Grade A club smasher.
Same here! one of my most memorable musical experiences in my life. what a trip.
Hey man, freshman musicology student, just wanna say I love your comments. I just saw you commenting on Webern's symphony Op. 25, it's nice to see people that aren't a) lmao frank zappa or b) holy fuck im 145 years old and love this
@@KonStafylides I love Webern. He really was on top of his pointilistic serial banger game. Whenever I hear his 5 bagatelles dropped in the club I lose my shit.
@@patrickkeenan8443 Keep it up lmfao
@@KonStafylides Zappa
You know I've been a musician for over 50 years and I've done a lot of experimental music ambient music electronic music I love experimenting but I've listened to this and others and it doesn't make me cry. Mussorgsky makes me cry.
Frank and Ruth. I'm still a fan. They're still my heroes.
Zappa had this record and would put chalk marks on the vinyl where the loud parts came in to cut to them when trying to impress his friends with this music. The average teen in the 50s was listening to Elvis and Pat Boone...
At the final months of his life, the last work Frank did was producing an album of Varèse performed by the Ensemble Modern, with whom he had worked with for The Yellow Shark. The session even saw Nicolas Slonimsky, the conductor of the premiere performance of Ionisation and a friend of Frank, take up the baton and conduct the piece. That album has yet to be released.
This is by far the best, and only, version I have heard of this piece.
I have a theory about why the teenage Zappa loved this so much.
Listen to it. The snare drum has a definite motif. Zappa’s first instrument was marching band drum. He was taught the rudiments, and the recorded evidence shows that he wasn’t a bad drummer. The snare drum is basically the lead instrument in this piece, with the sirens an important supporting instrument.
Zappa grew up with a father who worked as a contractor for the Department of Defense. He spent the earliest years of his life growing up next door to Edgewood Arsenal in the Aberdeen Proving Grounds in Maryland. He must have got used to the sound of sirens; they used to be used all the time. I had friends as a kid who lived in Cork city in Ireland, and sirens were used every morning to alert dock workers that it was time to clock in. You could hear them all over the city. They must have been used even more frequently in US military installations, if only for emergency drill purposes.
The teenage Zappa hears a piece of modern music that incorporates snare drum, his own instrument, and sirens, the sound he most didn't want to hear.
No wonder he wanted to become a composer.
I should hate to make another silly comment, but: surely we must all agree that Zappa continued to be very good at the "rudiments".
Zappa was a schild of the cold war thearetenings in the 50/60ties and thus, growing up in a military zone used to the alarms of danger. Read his own whritings in the Great Frank Zappa book or in 'the negatieve dialect of poodle playing'. My english is not so good but I do understand where he got his musical conuntation . Overall: Zappa learnt me so much about art . Look further than what society is trying to get you focussed on. Edgar Varesse, stockhausen, Nam June Paike and Zappa and all those fantastic minds have shown me another way of thinking listening being. The modern day composer refuses to die.
I know it's old but, what a fascinating theory Alex ! I really liked that !
Cool. Can we get a psychoanalysis for why he might have liked webern, stravinsky, amd the shaggs?
@@jfleminator
I believe Zappa liked the Shaggs because they were so horribly bad, they were a force to reckon with.
That had to have been the most sensitive and moving performance of an air raid siren I’ve ever heard.
I found it tastefully understated.
I am delighted anyone undertakes a performance of Edgar's wonderful landmark work! Bravo for you ! I have studied and been an admirer or Edgar since 1969! Thank you for keeping Varese alive and in the halls.
This is beautiful. I don't believe that I'm able to comprehend entirely what's going on. But the sheer sounds of the instruments as they go along in the composition are very stimulating. I would love to hear that in a concert hall.
If you're enjoying it, you're understanding it! Maybe not true of all pieces of music but here the sound and the vibe are all important :)
@@BethanyLowe8773 It depends what you mean by “understand”. I think DerUfen means he doesn’t see how the piece is structured. It also depends what you mean by “sound”. A melody by Puccini is just a series of sounds (at least as performed), but the timbre of the voice singing and the timbre of the orchestral instruments accompanying are secondary to the pattern of the sequence of pitches (in other words, to the structure of the melody). You don’t have to be able to articulate analytically that structure, but if you can’t apprehend it synthetically, you”ve missed the melody entirely.
Spectralmusic hat auch etwas mit Mathematik zu tun! Diese Aufführung ist einfach nur grandios!
@@BethanyLowe8773 Sometimes understanding it is the opposite of enjoying it too.
BRAVO! Awesome work, ladies and gentlemen!
Fantastic recording. Glad the mixing was capable of making all instruments properly audible unlike many other recordings available on UA-cam.
Thanks !
Mixing? Real composers don’t depend on mixes to patch holes in their scoring. An important part of composing is writing in such a way as to achieve a proper balance-without the artificial use of mixing boards.
That runs a cold second to...
Musicians capable of Dynamics!
Ie all the instruments can be heard in a proper fashion, as the composer intended.
Wonderful piece - what an ending!
this is my favourite roadtrip song
To me, it seems to be about aerial bombing. It could be considered as an audio complement to 'Guernica'. Building up to it - banging the drums of war, air-raid sirens, the deafening explosions, sirens becoming wails of despair, then just an eerie silence. But it's open to virtually limitless interpretations.
I agree this would be a good soundtrack for viewing Guernica.
@Jack Clare don't be such an absolutist, there is no rule on how you 'should' listen to music. Often the composer may intend the music to conjure images. Music is rarely entirely abstract.
Plenty of stuff in music can be explained and discussed, but you may be uncomfortable with
the fact that you will rarely reach a definite conclusion, as to receive a clear answer you must first ask a clear question!
There's pretty strong evidence that the composer didn't have any real world imagery for this. He was a descendent of the futurists, who believes heavily in breaking from pitch as the dominant tool of music. The sirens were selected because that have the smoothest glissando, not for any cheesy programmatic purpose.
@@EtcEtcAndEtc 2 years later and I feel the need to add on to what I feel the original commenter was referencing. Could you describe a what something tastes like? Yes, but you will never convey the entirety of what it means to experience that sense in words. Words are approximations of experiences of the senses, and sometimes it's best to just experience something as it is without putting barriers in the way of that experience.
But it's also fun to put words to these experiences we have, and we do, and that's ok. I'm with you, absolutists are always no fun. :)
@@Travmann777 waitaminnit - "absolutists are ALWAYS no fun"? well, isn't that "a what something"!
AWESOME job! Bravo!
I haven't heard this piece since I was in college. Great job here. The different timbres, articulation, and style are perfect. One might think that a percussion piece would be all loud - boom bang boom- but not this one. Superb camera work too.
When you're in band practice and you ask your drummer to play a four on the floor
Totally blown away! When i first heard the audio of this, I had my fair share of doubts if anyone would be able to pull this off live. You guys did a splendid job!
What? You thought the “audio” was put together by overdubbing, splicing, and punching in? That’s not how a real composer works.
Perfect tempo. Textural clarity.
Great Work, perfect!!
"The present-day composer refuses to die." Edgard Varese
Amén.
actually, i think it was "the present day composers refuse to die"...
totally awesome!
Another classic side with percussion.
La meillleure version! Bravo!
Merci !
It's awesome listening to all the different timbres of the percussion instruments, and the variety of sound that can be coaxed from each instrument depending on how it is played. Great audio quality too :)
awesome. just awesome...
Probably one of the best performances of this piece I've ever heard wooooow
Studied Varèse at Juilliard back in the 70s.
Nicely done. Well played, recording sounds great and nice videography.
magnifique!
Fantastic piece! Had to study it for my music degree in the 70s.
Very catchy! Genius' masterpiece!
Kudos on the multiple cameras for a Varese piece !
Perfectly done.
Excellent recording!
Percussionists are hella underrated so this is awesome to me as a percussionist, it’s cool that they have the majority of the spotlight! ✨
"According to Varese, in order for the
projection to yield a highly complex form, in other words, a cosmic distribution, what is necessary is a simple figure in motion and a plane that is itself mobile; otherwise, you get sound effects"
Deleuze, Guattari- A Thousand Plateaus p.344
Très bonne vidéo sur la ionisation de varese
Wonderful playing.
So much percussion. Nice.
Merci la prof de musique
BRAVO!
Now I know why this was one of
Frank Zappa's favorite compositions!
The one that made him decide to pursue music!
But Zappa immediately thought , "I can do better than this." and he did.
did he though?
@@VeggiePower303 not "I can do better than" but more like "I can go somewhere from"...
This reminds me of my alma mater UCSD.....we'd have these strange concerts going on constantly. Varese was best man when
Nicolas Slonimsky was married in the 30s....great bio fr latter: Perfect Pitch. Kind regards Dgunde, viola, piano, etc.....
still love it!!
Susanna Mälkki has brought me here. I like her stile and her clothes and her way of leading this group. And I like the drummers, the percussion people. But I have to confess, I have it a little bit hard about that electric machine that now and then disturbes this concert. But Edgar wanted it this way . Brecht also wanted us not getting too envolved, to stop and think: "Wait, this is only a performance!"
Le documentaire passé récemment sur Arte m'a fait découvrir la personnalité hors-norme de Franck Zappa : Un gars à la fois lucide, libre et créatif. Rafraichissant par les temps qui courent...
C'est en quelque sorte sur ses "conseils" que je découvre ce morceau de Varèse (et c'est balèze).
En effet, Varèse, c'est du balèze ! :)
incredible.
Ensemble Intercontemporain has always played the bizarre pieces they choose in a wonderful way, but THIS performance is easily one of my favorite recordings in the world. the conductor is very good, keeping pace with the strange meter, her movements large enough to be noted by the performers without seeming gratuitous or self-important. Fantastic performance, I watch it every couple months and am moved and impressed each time. Thank you for this performance!
This really is an astounding recording, from a performance point of view as well as a technical point of view. Thanks to the engineer(s) that recorded this. I don't believe there is an engineering credit listed in this video unfortunately.
Omg fantastic
Thank you.
J'adore ce morceau emblématique de Varèse starter de la carrière musicale de Zappa.
assolutamente fantastico! avanti 200 anni.
WOAAAAH😍😍
Gotta say. I'm gunna need a little more cowbell!
I wish I was an edgelord too
Personally, I'd rather listen to Varese being beaten with a cowbell for 7 mins and 27 seconds. Better him than me. Too bad Edgard didn't listen to his father and become an engineer.
@@charlesdavis7087 Cry about it
Magnifique
I can very easily understand this being the piece of music that started Frank Zappa's interest in composing.
@Uzair And now I feel old. But noticed! :)
@Uzair I'm almost 40. Try reading stuff you wrote in high school. That'll fry your skull for sure.
Écoute conseillée par un ami cher et c'est en cela qu'on reconnaît ces vrais amis ...
Sussanna Mälkki is a brilliant conductor. Her Sibelius is fantastic!
Surprisingly catchy.
Superb!
Awesome 👌
Does this have anything to do with war?
quels beaux rythmes. magnifique version.
Lovely.
Awesome.
Nice performance.
ps I also now know who has my Ludwig 'Coliseum' snare! Thanks for sharing!
art works of rhythms, frequencies and intensities
Wonderful! This piece is both an auditory and a visual delight!😀😀😀
surpuissant !!!
I had a chance to play this at UBC with the perc ensemble, such a gas to play! And hard as hell to keep your place.
nice performance this is too.
Give me Varèse any day! I think, he was not only way ahead of his time but will still be contemporary in the 23rd Century.... (if humanity makes it that far 🤔).
If one thinks of this as "Music," there may well never be a 23rd Century. Ingram Marshall composed a work having to do with the slamming of the prison doors in Alcatraz. This work I found very haunting and full of disjointed memories that didn't really want to be remembered. For me, the best part of Ionization was the few seconds after I realized it had ended. (What is a joke without a punch line? A Zen Koan.).
Okay, this is the tightest and most civilized performance of this work I've seen on UA-cam, capturing far more of the spirit and accurate notes than the Boulez.
Kudos to Ms. Mälkki. I'd love to work with you.
magnific
this piece was so good in Hannibal
Amazing music, awesome performance.
I love this piece!
let's not forget that this work is dedicated to Nicolas Slonimski, who gave it its 1st performance in 1933 at Carnegie Hall & first recording on Columbia in 1934 (& that Slonimski guested on keyboards with Zappa when he was 83!)
the siren suggests urgency and carries with it a sense of disquiet!
Guauuu que relaaaaxx
This is so very much ahead of it's time, as is a lot of his work.
The version with Pierre Boulez is not on UA-cam anymore?
it grooves
Delícia, ver os instrumentos em uma filmagem tão boa dá muito mais prazer do que só escutar, parabéns!
de onde voce é? no brasil raramente se escuta musica contemporanea. sempre param em stravinsky. o augusto de campos diz que estamos há 100 anos atrasado na musica!!!!!!
uma pergunta retórica em tempos de patrulha politicamente correta: seria machismo dizer que é sempre um prazer assistir música clássica contemporânea e mulheres bonitas numa mesma sala de concerto? ok, podem jogar as bombas... rsrs
Strong Character!
J'adore, tout simplement ! Rythme, scansion, pulsion et impulsion. Au commencement était l'action !
FACT
very interesting
Wow
This isn't music. This is something else. Not sure what it is... but I'll listen to some more of Varese's efforts.
There is a natural music intertwined in the chaos. I guess it’s all in how you think about it.
An awesome performance👏👏👏👏👏
I had recognised Edgard Varese as an influence on Frank Zappa. This made me interested in trying to find a piece of his work to listen to. After repeating the name many times, I gave up on Alexa.
Wonderful. I have only ever heard the original Varese recording (i have a 1970's vinyl re-release) and it is very powerful to see young musicians playing this piece so well.
Definitely will be a platinum album.
❤
Siamo supposti doverci commuovere/entusiasmare?
is this supposed to make you think or feel?
Qui est là à cause de votre prof de musique ?
Missnimportequoi1DS moi aussi ...
LETMEKISSYOU_1DS moi
LETMEKISSYOU_1DS moi
Moi c'est prof de français
prof de francais ^^
I did my Master's recital on this stage.
AFTERWARDS I WAS WITH THE RATS IN THE CELLARS
tres cool
Zappa loved this guy lol
I can hear why!