Game Of Thrones Season 8 Jon Snow's Better Ending
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Game Of Thrones Season 8 Ruined The Character Arc Of Jon Snow By Means Of A Stupid Subversion Of Expectations But the Ending That David Benioff & DB Weiss Were Teasing Was Also Nonsensical & Moronic This Video Explains Why And Also Provides A More Theoretically Feasible Ending
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Rhaegar + Jon Connington = Jon??????!!!!
How many Dragons was it?
Anomaly Inc I love your videos and all and never really say to much on here but I’m gonna now... these two dickholes ruined the fucking Prince that was Promised and Jon’s whole damn character and story. I’m really hoping that GRRM saves us with and in the books and if it’s going to end like the show did I hope it’s A LOT different than what Dickhead & Dickhole did.
Okay,let me try and defend good old catelyn Tully,and no i don't like her,heck i hate her,the best thing about her is the quality of her chapters.
Afther reading the book around 4 times i kinda sorta see why Catelyn acted like this.
In all honesty,as bad as she was,its implied that its something natural.
How many woman today would be okay with there husband doing something like this.
Heck Robert feared brining his bastardsb as Cersei killed two.
In all honesty i don't thick Catelyn ever feared Jon,
but she did fear his potencial heirs.
Most wars in ASOIF and real life are coused by problems of sucesion.
For those that don't know,Aegon the forth legitimised his bastards,wich lead to rebelions,five to be precise, known as the blackfire rebellions.
Jon sort of forgot about his heritage
kinda....kinda forgot
So did everyone else. No one thought to mention him at that joke of a meeting.
He flat out rejected it. After all his years of living with the label of bastard, he finally has a name, and he kicks it to be with Danny, but at the same time he doesn’t want to now because she’s his Aunt?????????!?!??
THIS DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE!
John Russell Just like his whore mother, I suppose.
@John Russell uh, no
Stannis...the king who cared... only one to ever offer Starkhood to Jonny boy.
Just another great character from the books that was butchered by dumb and dumber. Nothing new to see here
Only to get the wildlings to fight for him
John Russell Because the Targs are no longer the kingly lineage. That would be the Baratheons! Targaryens have to re-conquest Westeros, plus Jon being a Targ isn’t officially confirmed yet in the books. Though I guess he will be.
@John Russell The targaeryans lost the kingship. Robert is the proclaimed king and will kill any targaeryans he can find. How can ned protect jon by putting a target mark on his face.
Just looking at what happened to Jons half brothers what was Ned supposed to do?
Jon Snow might as well have been Hot Pie’s long lost son
Godot what if Hot Pie was a Stark?..would been interesting twist..
@@beyeseparateswe3425 im still mad that Arya left her boy and went sailing >___> fuck that shit
@JoeRingo118 Hodor is Gregor Glegane's long lost son with Brienne of Tarth.
Hot pie for king
Lyanna: oh I don’t want to marry Robert He can never stay Loyal
(Leaves with Rhaegar Who has a Wife and Kids)
Can Anyone say Hypocrisy
yep pretty much was entire point well put mate well put
This Question have came up on many message boards my answer is that Lyanna was right he NEVER kept to one bed. He had many women and bastards he marry a woman who will NOT accept this shit. With Lyanna and Rhaegar and Elia Martell in the books it believe that Rhaegar was going to be polygamy marriage with Elia and Lyanna as both wives. Elia Martell couldn't have any children this is question if had Rhaegar lived would continue to have sex with Elia?. With Lyanna as his second wife?. Rhaegar was faithful Elia Martell until he run off with Lyanna. In the show version (which I find it stupid) Rhaegar had an annulment with Elia Martell without tell her and had a Septa do it now it books canon a prince can't setside a wife, only King can. A septa have no power to grant annulments in the first place.
@@anomalyinc3239 it's different going with someone who left his wife and actually had it annulled. It's also said they met previously so he didnt run off with her immediately
Robert already probably had many bastards. The show is missing out on many ptwp prophecies that could have affected her.
Pretty much the she bitch started the war which caused the death of innocents, I never pitied the bitch. Could’ve found another way around the situation without causing a war leading to the death of innocents even if she has good reasons.
PS I’m referring to the show not the book.
@@Mainlyeverything - Thing is that Rhaegar kept saying "The Dragon has 3 heads", so he wouldn't have annulled his marriage. That was something I'm sure D & D did on their own and not based on what GRRM has written about Rhaegar and Elia. I'm sure Rhaegar could have found a loyal septon to perform the second marriage, thus legitimizing it in the eyes of The Seven, removing any need to have his marriage annulled.
Of course, the real reason this all became a problem is because of the sheer amount of information from the novels that have been cut from the Tv series. Had they been more faithful in their adaptation (which would have required many more full 10-episode seasons). The reason Rhaegar started on the path he did is because he became a believer in the prophecy of The Prince Who Was Promised and that Prince was supposed to come from his line. It was the reason Rhaegar went from being a scholarly type who loved music to training to be a warrior.
Isn't the whole point that Rhaegar and Lyanna, whilst otherwise decent people, made a disastrous personal choice?
*"A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad the good..."* They were complicated people.
Jaime is a far worse person than Rhaegar in both deeds and choice of lover. But he has noble qualities nonetheless.
Brandon Stark shouldn't have waltzed into King's Landing demanding the prince "come out to die," justified or not.
The Mad King's reputation wasn't a secret at that point.
I agree. There’s multiple layers to ASOIF: that’s why it’s so good. For example, consider that Ned Stark could have avoided everything by declaring himself king regent until the rightful heir came of age. He wouldn’t have to outright claim Jon Snow as Rhaegar’s son and therefore keep his promise but anyone with half a brain would figure it out. But that’s the beauty and the tragedy of it.
I think Jon Snow is tragic because he could not overcome the psychological obstacle of being raised a bastard. Ironically the other bastard Ramsey Bolton did quite well. Gendry was probably too simple minded to even care about being a bastard
I didn't mind them painting him as a reluctant leader the entire movie, but season 8 seemed to parody this. He knew people looked up to him, he knew people wanted to lead him, he knew Dany was terrible for the kingdom. All he did for an entire season was vomit up "you're/she's my queen" the entire time. Only in the final episode did we finally see him do something he knew was right. Then gets shipped back to the north
I thini it's tragic how much a terrible writer dumb and dumber is
Gendry was never raised along side his father's 'true born kids' and Ramsay only had one brother to compete with, and he died. Jon on the other hand had 3 true born brother's and 2 sisters who he had to watch from afar due to his step mother. He was constantly told by Catelyn and Ned that he would never be a true Stark. Having that shit hanging over your head will do damage
@SmallmoneyYT Not in a world where family names and alliances through marriage mean everything.
D&D - He is the rightful heir to the Iron Throne and this changes everything.
"Fucked their own words."
John Russell it didn’t though. No one else knew and they still would’ve chosen him over her. It meant nothing.
John Russell
I don’t buy it. Rhaegar was never crowned king. He and wife Elia already had a son named Aegon who was murdered by the Mountain. Dany’s brother Viserys was the crowned king and made Dany his heir. So Daenerys did have a claim.
@@nubiannile4606 No. It doesn't matter that Raegard died before being crowned. He is the next in the succession to the Iron Throne and after him his children. And Jon is his last living son. So Dany is comming after him. Like in today's Britain: when prince Charles would die before being King. The crown will be go to his son William and not to prince Andrew (Charles younger brother). And when William die before being crowned then crown will be go not to his brother Harry, but to his son - young prince George. It is clear now for you? Here link as reference:
Succession to the British throne - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succession_to_the_British_throne
Why are you using quotes for your own words?
@@smashing-3291 as reference
I didn’t realize that Jon was being screwed over long before S8, dumb and dumber really have a talent for shafting characters that might even rival Rian Johnson.
He's one of my favorite book characters and guess what, in the books he's not dumb! Somewhat oblivious sometimes but never a lackwit like in the show.
@@neriumsuitedher in the book it is well established that as a bastard he developed good observation skills to resist oppression.
He is not that dumb suicidal fool of the show.
@@rdcarbonk1885 the marriage of Alys Karstark has got to be my favorite move of his. Demonstrating perfectly what he is capable of.
They are good friends with Johnson. Says it all honestly.
@@neriumsuitedher his negotiation with the agent of the bank as an excuse to get stannis to know of the other karstark backstabbing.
I just hope he wont become the dumbass hero archetype we saw in tv show if he wakes up from his death.
The "Why?" sequence was masterful.
It is amazing that the greatest secret was literally for nothing! They turned one of the greatest characters ever created into a nobody! Ygritte knew best I guess!
@Liz Lee (Cough) Endgame (Cough)
You’re 100% correct there is absolutely no way Jon would have loved the Dragon Queen. She represented everything Ygritte hated. Lust yes not love
miiisssmarymac their love story was just not believable. The lack of passion for each other made it hard to understand some of their actions that were supposed to be based on their love.
Jon is highly influenced by his Stark upbringing, and throwing the secret Targaryen lineage into the mix is just too complicated a plot twist for these show writers to handle.
Not for me I know how to handle it because I’m rewriting it
The Terminator "why" edits had me dying
cleansent why
@@ericktello231 why
Same.lmfao
Another episode of my favourite show ''Dumb and Dumber''!
InvisibleMan95 you mean dumb and dumbfuck
If John is King why can’t he just change the Capital. Make the North the Capital and rule the Kingdoms from there. No matter what ending one selects John should end up as the King. His character had the most interesting journey. Jon Snow was clearly the best character. At the end these writers treated the character like a true bastard. Shame on them.
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Jon just wanted to secure some DragonAss... I mean DragonGlass. It's important.
You mean mahkween pussyah
I can’t believe we didn’t see anymore footage of Robert Baratheon or rhaegar in the last series , not a single flashback to the fight they had, such a waste and ill never be able to move on :-(((
Reece I’m so dissatisfied and disappointed 😔
They're probably saving it for a future prequel series.
If i remember right there is more of that and everything else in the books ;-) Also know that the books stop in start of season 6, after that its all Dumb and Dumber story!
Whenn GRRM was asked whether one of the prequels would be about Roberts rebellion or not he said it wouldn’t because by the end of season 8 we (the viewers) would have seen the most important parts so there would be no need for a prequel on Roberts rebellion. This led us fans to believe we would see a flashback of the tourney of Harrenhall or the battle of the trident!!! What a let down!!!! I wonder if GRRM was led to believe this as well??
John Russell i agree with you in that regard but im not saying I need it explained. Are you saying it wouldn’t have been amazing to see the tourney at Harrenhall?? To see Jamie in his prime as well as Barristan Selmy, Robert and Rhaegar?? Or how great it would be to watch Robert battle Rhaegar at the Trident?? Im not saying I need it explained, I’m saying it would have been amazing to watch and that it was just disappointing that we didn’t get to see more after it was alluded to by GRRM himself. Rhaegar is extremely important to the song of ice and fire story and i don’t feel the flashbacks did his character justice. In the books he is clearly important from book one but a lot of show fans who haven’t read the books might not necessarily know how important his character (as well as Lyanna and Roberts Rebellion) actually is until the later seasons. I got my hopes up when it was hinted that we would get to see this on screen after reading about it in all its splendour in the books. I wont go into details so i don’t spoil it for future book readers.
it really bugged me too that he completely ignores his stark heritage even after he learns who his mother is... ugh.. Jon IS half stark...
Yeah, actually, as it turns out, he is exactly the blood relation to his "siblings" as he and they thought he was all along. He is a cousin, which is the exact same blood relation as a half-brother.
Kit Harrington did a great job playing Jon Snow. I wish they would have done his character more justice.
@John Russell try watching ROSE LESLIE in THE HONEYMOON ( which was a decent film until the shitty ending that comes 45 minutes into the movie) *TONS OF DRUGS WERE INVOLVED IN THE SCRIPT*
@John Russell I don't think we're on the same page. I meant Kit Harrington deserved better. He is basically type cast probably for the rest of his career. It should have been worth it.
@John Russell still I think you're missing my point. I just think they should have given Jon Snow a better ending, in my opinion. Yes I wish he had at least recognized his lineage and accepted it if only for a time. Or reluctantly. To me it was quite anticlimactic. The whole ending. And now Kit Harrington is going to be sent the same scripts over and over again to play in some fantasy or mideval story. I would be pissed if I were him that's all. I guess it's more of a meta type thing. Thanks.
@@ericgrabowski3896 i agree with u - Jon should have a better ending, killed or at least battled NK, and his heritage should have had more meaning.
@John Russell shill
D&D: Well it appears that Drogon burned the scripts so now we have improvise and do some serious brainstorming
The bells provoked Daenerys as she remembered doing the walk of shame naked in the city... oh we kinda forgot it was Cersei
Rhaegar was a complex character obsessed with prophecy
Aye.
In the books but not in the show.
Still a horrible person.
What you are saying is book-only canon, not show canon.
@Eddie LM lol yeah no. Guys it's totally okay that I got tens of thousands of people killed it's not like I was raised to understand how important diplomatic marriages are in my society.
@@wisdommanari6701 Rhaegar and Lyanna fucked up. However they arent bad in my eyes because Rhaegar did what he thought he was meant to, Brandon stark foolishly charged to kingslanding, Aerys killed him his father all of his companions and I do believe his companions fathers before demanding Jon Arryn kill Ned and Robert and Jon said no. Something i love about ASOIAG is it feels like real history. That chain of events sparked Robert's Rebellion. Legit parallels WWI. People look back and say it's all Germanys fault. Gavrilo Princep shot, by sheer luck mind you, Franz Ferdinand and a month later the war to end all wars had begun. Princep murdered someone so fuck him, Rhaegar ran off with someone he loved thinking it would basically save the world. Long story short, blaming the war and its casualties on Rhargar and Lyanna just isn't fair in my eyes. They made a dumb move but it shouldn't be their fault.
Was going to end it just adding, sacking of kingslanding, biggest atrocity of the war, all Tywins doing, but Aerys would have destroyed the city if not for Jaime. It's all complex.
Oh boy. If you are already finding flaws with D&D’s story telling and you are only partly through BOOK 1 ... oh my goodness, my friend. You are in for a treat. I think you should keep doing these videos as you progress through the series. Mostly cause I want to see your rage explode when you see just how much they changed the series.
I'm still not over their butchery of the Dorne storyline.
Vengeance for Dorne. The North Remembers. The cold Lightbringer. The Heir of the Vale. The Northern Hill Clans and the Ned. The Skagosi and the lost Stark. And lastly, "how could you fight the cold?"
I was stunned when I saw what they did to my favorite house in the books.
The same writers who played Jaime and Cersei’s toxic incestuous relationship as romantically tragic. Baaaaarf.
Lol the way you described the beloved Rhaegar and Lyanna definitely subverted my expectations
To be fair without the theory of rhegar knowing about the Asor Ahai prophesy he is super shitty 😂
@John Russell maybe but seems lazy to me - if that's what you want have fun but left me unsatisfied
@John Russell who wants to see anything about the Night King anymore, hes a bitch who planned a war for thousands of years and then lost in a hour.
@John Russell Sadly it's be confirmed that the Rebellion will not get a prequel.
"Sansa, Theon, and most of all.... *_Catelyn."_*
I felt that
There is a lot of mentioning that Jon is half Stark. I would just like to point out that all Starks are half Starks.
Yes, but it depends if ur father is a stark or your mother... Since male inheritants before female...
Dude rhaegar was viewed mostly in a positive light through out the seven kingdoms it was just that one unexplained action that lead to his down fall.
Right, he was a really great dude and would've made a fucking great king but he just had to have a 3rd kid with a different chick which isn't unexplained, it's because he was seriously into prophecies and believed them so devoutly that he plunged the entire kingdom into a bloody war.
@@jhs1563 but why lyanna Stark, why pick a woman who was already betrothed to someone? How does she fit in the prophecy?
@@skull2470 fire and ice
@Thomas Dixon Jr. Or maybe he wanted to have a third child, a son whose story would be the song of fire and ice (I believe those are his own words iirc). And also Lyanna likely made a serious impression on him at Harrenhal when she entered the tourney as the Knight of the Laughing tree and bodied several famous knights while defending Howland Reed. I'm not saying you're wrong, just saying its a bit more complex
skull2470 Rhaegar was a cunt, his prophecy kink started the war not love.
I always thought that Jon's fate should be chosen by Jon himself. You are so right that he must be King, if only for a bit in order to rebuild a better world, and then exile himself.
I've always found Rhaegar and Lyannas love story very sweet somehow, but in 30 minutes I realized how terrible it actually is.
In the show. "In Deep Geek" has video on the whole war in the books.
@@denkerbosu3551 Might look into that! Loved the books myself :)
@@Zopheri yeah it's a lot more complex that anomaly has said. But that's not his fault, he hasn't read the books and the last 13 episodes of the show really hurt the perception of the story and characters.
I’m actually with you on most of this but Barriston Selmy couldn’t have said anything bad about Rhaegar because he didn’t know of what happened with Lyanna and good friends with him. Or at least in the show.
The Lyanna/Rhaegar thing was a secret, and Barriston being in battle and not at the Tower makes it appear that there is a very large chance he wasn’t a part of it
Jon's script for season 8: "ShE iS mUh QueEn"
Season 7 was just as bad. The show took a dive the minute Dany landed in Westeros!
John Russell a dive! In storytelling, character development, expectations, fulfillment’s etc. Just about in every way!
@John Russell shill
Love your vids! The R+L=J thing in the show is yet another example of a plot point from the book that was used but not adequately explained. Rhaegar eloped with Lyanna because he, like several of his Targaryen predecessors, was obsessed with the Prince That Was Promised prophecy. He believed that Azor Ahai would be born from his union with Lyanna, and that mankind wouldn't survive the long night without it. Literally 1 or 2 lines of dialogue in the show could have explained this, but they didn't care obviously.
You’re completely forgetting that the whole reason Rhaegar hooked up with Lyanna was due to prophecy. The entire R+L=J plot line was to show Jon was Azor Ahai/The Prince that was Promised, the person who was going to defeat evil and end the long night. Through 5 books, so far, and 7 seasons of television, there are so many signs to this. D&D CHOSE ARYA TO KILL THE NIGHT KING. It makes no sense. Why bring Jon back to life? Other than subverting expectations, what role did Jon play in the moving the plot forward? It’s just too stupid.
Omgosh you just started reading the books......your going to be very pissed and I can't wait to see the glorious content from it.
Pissed at what? I stopped at clash of kings! Cause they divided a storm of swords into 2 books in my country! And thats a freaking rip off! I will need to buy the u.s version online but i dont have paypal...
Yet
@@gogozeppeli9267 How DnD cut all kinds of stuff and just combined stuff. But I don't want to spoil if you have gotten farther then Clash of Kings. Some much good stuff cut. Game of Thrones was murdered. RIP GoT
@@gogozeppeli9267 Try audio book bay. If your into audio books and torrenting that is. Thats how i got them all for free.
@@gogozeppeli9267 go to your local library and get it
@@gogozeppeli9267 lol you could download the entire book series via torrent in about 2 minutes
Well about Rhaegar, you can still be a nice man (hence Barristan’s fondness) and still be a massive fuckup who plunged the country into war. “Love is the death of duty” indeed...
Personally, I think book Jon would despise his real parents and Daenerys.
I'm still pissed. I try to re watch the series but knowing that the end sux makes me angry
A lot of good points made in this video, and those terminator "why" edits had me dying!
In the books, rhaegar Targaryen started to believe in azor ahai or the prince that was promised. Rhaegar believed in Azor ahai and he knew the long night was coming Rhaegar realized that he was not “prince that was promised” but believed his son could be. When he saw lyanna stark he fell in love with her, because she was so badass. He met her at the tourney at harrenhal hall. The harrenhal hall tourney was cover in some ways to depose his father (the mad king) because he was slowly becoming unstable. When Rhaegar and Lyanna went away together it was believed that Rhaegar “took” her. That lead to Lyanna’s Father, older brother, and banner men being killed. They basically knocked on the mad king’s door saying wtf about Lyanna and the mad king reacted to that and killed them. This started Robert’s rebellion and landed the show where it was at the start. Jon snow’s lack of action in season 8 and the long night just being a really bad battle, and the night’s king being worthless is how the show failed in many ways, making none of this build up leading anywhere. I hope in the books that the long night (the battle of life vs the dead) is done much better. My 2 cents.
my two cents :-) the Mad King's father thought he was the prince that was promised, then he thought his son would be the prince that was promised, and then he decided that his son was the prince that was promised. See a pattern here? Each of these idiots think they are so special that they either are or will make some Court of Savior and use that to justify all the terrible shit they do. Because if rhaegar had deposed his father made amends to Tywin Lannister and unified the kingdoms that way he would have had tens of thousands of people to fight the dead instead of instigating a civil war
In the book Rob legitimized Jon before he died.
4:31 Whilst I found the show to fall to shit from Season 5 and onward, I'll defend Sansa and Jon sharing no scenes prior to Season 6 when it came to their reunion. The lack of connection they had actually enhanced the reunion as it shows us how desperate Sansa was to find someone she could trust. After having spent so much time with the Lannisters, being betrayed by Littlefinger, raped by Ramsay and the only thing close to family with her through those events being Theon, her clinging desperately to the slightest amount of familial connection she has left makes sense.
This is later tarnished by the lack of care she has for Rickon, but her reunion with Jon at least works within its vacuum.
I wish MauLer finished his season 8 videos but this will do!
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I would like to see more of these kind of videos as you read the book. I have also started reading book one.. so it helps push me along to read. Thanks again!
A logical ending following their b.s.: The North + The Vale + Riverrun as a unified kingdom (the Vale has declared for house Stark, and family ties with Riverrun). The Crownlands + The Stormlands + The Westerlands + The Reach as a unified kingdom. Independent Iron Island and independent Dorne.
Because Barristan talking good about Rhaegar happens in the books... You just haven't made it there bud... And in GOT book Ned thinks about Rhaegar and thinks positive things
Well im sure that will make sense when i make it there
as for the show and the way rhaegars actions were revealed no one should look at him in a positive light
i mean barristan was his bodyguard and friend for years so i understand why he would
but i still dont think it shouldve been portrayed as such in the show
barristan knows honor id find it hilarious if he thought less of jaime then he did of rhaegar
again just based on the show
Except when the time when Ned compares Rhaegar to Tywin. Anomaly style busting for the douche and his bimbo: Fuck Rhaegar, Fuck Lyanna and Fuck them both
@@oconnor6456 and fuck the king
@@anomalyinc3239 I get that... I just personally get the vibe that Rhaegar was all a king should be he just made a very bad decision, but he had gotten into prophecy and believed that him or his first son Aegon was Azor Ahai
@@anomalyinc3239 enjoy the books tho bro they're amazing... And if you ever get the chance check out the Tales of Dunk and Egg
Regarding Rhaegar - I agree with your overall assessment about Rhaegar and Lyanna, everything is basically their fault because they selfishly ran away together and caused a massive war. However, with each book of the series you question what you know/think about the characters because more information is revealed through the perspective of new characters. When you read the rest of the books you will learn a lot more about Rhaegar. He was basically a perfect human being who was kind and honourable and understanding, and EVERYONE loved him and thought he was a saint. Which in my opinion makes it more tragic that he throws everything away because he fell in love with Lyanna, that such an amazing person caused so much strife because of a single "sin".
payoff does not subvert expectations
King Robert also didn't want the throne if you remember
Any news of D&D? Hilarious as usual, good work, keep the rage ON!
i know why a scorpion killed the dragon, its because it had a "suprise mechanic" built into it
( they sort of forgot to put it to the rest of the scorpions 😂)
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No your a pure legend
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@@anomalyinc3239 YEAH BUDDY!!!
It would be funny since catlyen in the show is still alive finds out that Jon was more highborn then her.😂😂
i mean, the problem cat has with him is not the lowborn part she just hates him because of jealousy
Catelyn.exe has stopped working. I also think she'd stop hating Jon if she knew that though, because now he's no threat to her children's claims anymore.
@@tarvoc746 actually, based on the laws of Westeros, his claim still outweighs Sansa and Arya.
It would still be in the same place really, but just a bit firmer.
@@JamzP14 If he was a Targaryen, then no.
@@ClaireYunFarronXIII He's half Stark. it's happened plenty of times in A Song of Ice and Fire lore.
They wish their writing had the philosophical & existential complexities of Shakespearean tragedies. Your broad-stroke description of Shakespeare's romantic tragedies, is as simplistic as I believe D&D's understanding of them would be.
I honestly could only think of Romeo and Juliet whenever he mentioned that, and even that would be an understatement. All of the others I can think of have some degree of intrigue, betrayals, grey morals and whatnot; which is exactly why both the books AND the series where called 'Shakespearean' in the first place.
I really love your variation of words for dumb and dumber, really appropriate. And as always great video.
The events leading to Jon’s birth actually probably started a domino effect that killed 100’s of Thousands of people if you count all the wildlings that died, and everyone that died in the Free Cities due to Dani being in the Free Cities to begin with.
Also, as to Jon not recognizing himself as a Stark nor legitimizing himself as one while “King in the North” despite everyone else doing so and his mother being a Stark, has more to do with the Culture and practice of lineage in Westeros than anything else. If you father was a Stark you’re a Stark, but if you Mother was a Stark and you’re father was a Lannister then you’re a Lannister not a Stark.
I really need to address this, because people seem to “forget”, but Rhaegar wasn’t the heir to the throne, after he fell on the Trident, his father disowned him and his family and named Viserys his heir, and Viserys named Dany as his heir, which means that Jon have no claim to the Iron Throne even if everyone accepts his supposed Targaryen Heritage
Wouldn't a male still have a stronger claim? Considering this world to be rather patriarchal and Dany being the only other known Targaryen when Viserys named her his heir.
There is the problem of, you seem to forget that Robert wasn't any heir to the throne either. People say "Oh you know Robert totally has Targaryen blood through his grandmother, and he is the new heir," when the case was that Ned didn't want it neither did Jon Arryn and no one in the realm wanted to fight Robert so they decided he was king.
It doesn't matter if Aerys II disowned Rhaegar if people decide to support Jon. I mean what do you think the Blackfyre rebellions were? Do you honestly think the people who supported Daemon Blackfyre cared that he was behind Daeron II in succession and do you think if Bloodraven backed Daemon and he ended up winning that someone would run into court and say "Daemon has no right to be king, kingship should be passed to *insert person with better claim*," and face anything other than summary execution?
How did Aegon I become King? People bent the knee to him either willingly or through conquest, and if Jon has people willingly bend the knee to him, the words of a dead king mean nothing.
Antoine Vello Jon would never want the Iron Throne and would never push for it mate
@@khaelstorm2552 Good that you admit the issue is Jon would never claim it rather than Jon has no claim or the fact that Rhaegar was disowned matters.
Antoine Vello yeah I still don’t think all 7 Kingdoms would rally behind some crazy northern supposed bastard with a bunch of fantastic stories about giants and wargs and undead
I am fine with the events for the most part however none of it seemed earned and it was empty and hollow. I do like Dany's character but they made her look like a love sick teenager in junior high school with puppy dog eyes. Things that happened seemed to be all effect with no real cause like Jon and Dany. Who's to say neither of them falls in love with each other but has respect and admiration for each other instead and if there is any love between them, leave it open ended as a possibility instead of a fact.
No one expected a happy fairy tale ending but in a way that is what we got. And yea, why the hell DID Jon bend the knee anyway then lie about it. Dragon states the obvious and that is dipshit and dumbass were not interested in creating any kind of dialogue, they only wanted emoting faces. I don't know if it's true, but I heard there was an actual "Inside the episode" for episode 6 but HBO scrapped it and I would be interested in what was said because how can you defend this all effect with no real cause?
I'd say Jon taking the throne is a lot more fitting with his arc than relinquishing it primarily because it's not what he wants, but what he needs to do. Much like most of his decisions prior to it such as killing Qhorin, leaving Ygritte and all his decisions as Lord Commander, he did his duty even when he'd prefer another option. As Maester Aemon urged him, he killed the boy. Jon abandoning a duty only he had the experience to take up goes against all he'd previously gone through.
Most fans were awaiting a great payoff as to Rhaegar's true motivation for doing what he did. Was he a seer like his ancestor? Yada yada ya. But they got lazy and did this bullsh*t.
@John Russell Daenerys left Qarth exactly as she found it, though. That place is very powerful and she saw it as a safe haven. The Pure Born wanted her dead and the Undying wanted to steal her aura, that is why she left - to not offend anyone there anymore.
Qarth becomes a major player, especially in Daenerys' _A Dance With Dragons_ story. Martin does not just leaves loose ends. He ties them.
I am a Daenerys fan u.u but how can't I agree with you, that ending we watched on screen was just wrong in so many ways I'm disappointed
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Jon told Theon he was a Stark to reassure him. He understood what men's hearts want. When Jon says he himself is not a Stark, he's referring to the rejection and pain he felt his whole life (caused by bitch Catelyn, yes). It's not always logical.
Now, I won't defend D&D, the crap writing that the cast had to act their way out of, etc. But this particular complaint, I can explain.
To be fair, in the books Rhaegar was a generally good person. He didn’t like killing but he read voraciously and became obsessed with the whole prophecy of “the prince that was promised” thing. He may have convinced Lyanna that their child would be the prince that was promised. If they both believed that, it gives motive to why they would both do something so seemingly wreck less and dishonorable
As much as I understand your frustration, you should probably finish the books first. Some of your points against D&D prove you haven’t finished the books, because even if you don’t like certain things (like Jon always seeing himself as a bastard despite everything he’s been through) they are on character. There’s a lot of stuff to complain about, but some of your complaints still come from GRRM himself.
Yeah but the books do a decent job of portraying why Jon was reluctant TV Jon removed from the books has no real reason to refuse his stark lineage especially with him emulating Ned's actions every time he was unsure of himself
I've read the books and it makes the season 8 shitshow even worse to watch. Also you shouldnt need to read the books to critise the show. If they mess something up in the show thats on them not GRRM. Its called an adaption not a carbon copy.
To be fair, Catelyn wasn’t the reason Jon got sent to the wall, she wanted Ned to take jon with him to kings landing but Ned wouldn’t stating how he would be mistreated Bc “the red keep has no place for bastards” Cat and Ned were fighting about what to do with Jon in the books since she was saying he wouldn’t be safe in winterfell Bc she would harm him and Maester Luwin was the one to suggest the Wall since Benjin has talked with Luwin about Jons interest in taking the black
The Order Greenhand is good although a bit biased against the show and some of their theories are outlandish. As for The Dragon Demands he's far to vehemently biased against the show even for the seasons that are 85% loyal to the books. The true Stupidity of D&D is the fact that they're loyal to R+L=J BUT then leave out the reason Rhaegar impregnated Lyanna in the first place because he's supposed to be the Prince who was promised and the fabled hero Azhora Hi .
I agree with you when it come to Jon. I always thought if you leaved in the end of the or books, his end should have been to end Targaryen rule or a king rule altogether. Then going off with the Free folk and Ghost to the true north.
I don't like the order of green hand also not all Targaryens are bad. They did poorly write Jon snow. Also wouldn't have mind if Jon and Dany did have feelings for each other but they had to develop the relationship alot more.
I don't like them either, although i appreciate the work the put into there content.
I don't like how biest they are,acting like there favourite characters are good wile the rest are shit.In the world of ASOIAF some characters have some good in them and a lot of bad in them,wile the rest are as dark as you can get.
@@Yami1300 same they come off as feeling superior even when you argue valid points with them, but like you said I appreciate their efforts into their videos.
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Those are people who hate Sansa for being mean to Jon,and clap wean Arya kills like a monster.I wrote a legthy comment on there why Sansa sucks video,negating there points half of which are fanficion,like Sansa betraying Jon,or somehow informing the iron fleat.
Anyways still waiting for an answer.
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I want a better and more realistic ending for Daenerys
Regarding Rhaegar, he did seem to actually be a pretty good person as far as other people in the books speak of him. But towards the end of his life he became obsessed with a prophecy, specifically the prince that was promised. When you're convinced you're personally responsible for making sure the world is save you might make some irresponsible decisions yourself.
The ethnicity of both writers should be considered as to why they choose to portray the Targaryens in the way that they do.
Targaryens are outsiders in another people's land just as they are. They are telling their own story and it behoves them to have the audience be sympathetic to the outsider and by extension themselves.
I’m glad you got back to GOT. Just ripping them to shit.
I think it would have been a much better arc for Jon to have gone from Not being accepted as a stak and viewing himself as an outsider, to having himself and everyone else accept his as a true stark, and then finally show the conflict of him finding out he was actually a targareyan. As it is, his entire life he wants to be a stark and when everyone accepts it, he goes back to referring to himself as a bastard, then immediately identifies with his new targareyan family. Also, I've always hated how the show portrayed them finding out about Jon. None of the evidence even holds up. Sam finds out that Rhaegar had his marriage annulled and i can't even remember if it says that him and Lyanna married, but even if it did, that doesn't show that Jon is there child at all. Then with Bran, for starters, his powers are just so OP it's ridiculous. He should not be able to just know everything, they set it up that his power is through the weirwoods, but then just ignore that aspect to move the plot along.
Ok Anomaly, now do other main character assassinations based on the show only and keep it fair when doing Dany. Speaking as a Dany fan she's never been about getting the man, just the throne. I know you had strong feelings about the way they did her too even though you didn't care for her character.
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Why?.....haha! Beautiful montage man!
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Loved it too. I was laughing like a clown
You're going to poop your pants when you finally read all 5 books and realize all the MAJOR things they completely left out of the show.
*Spoilers*
The real Aegon Targaryen is left out of the show. He raised his banners in westeros right before Dany sets sail for westeros. He brought the golden company with elephants.
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Jaime and cersei aren't tywin Lannisters kids. Tyrion is the rightful heir to casterly rock.
Basically everything that happens at the citadel.
There's a few more but I forget.
Make videos about the idiocy of dumb and dumber forever! This gives me so much life!
Love these vids, but I think you might be a bit harsh on Rhaegar and Lyanna. We never get their perspective on anything that happened, and it's rather heavily suggested in the books that Rhaegar was specifically trying to fulfill the prince that was promised prophecy. He knew about the prophecy and that the child would be born of his parents' line. Everything they did makes sense if you don't view it as love-crazed actions but as a deliberate attempt to bring Azor Ahai into the world. It is clear from the books that Rhaegar was a scholar obsessed with the prophecy. Rhaegar may well have had specific reasons to believe this child had to be born and had to be Lyanna's. The book takes time to establish that this sudden running off was very out of character for Rhaegar, absent an extremely powerful motive. It's a big mystery in the books and it's almost certain that he knew something we don't. The show spends some time building this mystery as well only to leave us with THEY WERE IN LURVE.
I mean, they were still foolish, but their actions did birth Jon and they ultimately succeeded in creating Azor Ahai. Competent show runners might have given us this backstory and maybe spent more time in flashback.
You know the first time I watched Daenerys sadly waiting on the wall I thought she was waiting to see if her dragon who are supposedly her children was ok if he had survived but apparently she was waiting for Jonny boy? I was like damn
"Ned in the books clearly loves Jon and thinks of him as his son." Ummmm except when he is listing off his children in his mind... Jon is not on the list...
The show just doesn't know in which time period it plays. You do not marry because of love. A marriage is for political alliances and to continue your bloodline. This shit began with Rob and Talisa. In the books he marries her because of honor, he was fifteen and slept with her. It wasn't love. And Rheagar probably wanted a child with Lyanna Stark because of some weird prophecy he believed in, that said his child with her could be the messiah.
Even Roberts rebellion wasn't because of love. That is only for the Shakespeares to write after the events. The prince captured the promised wife of Robert Baratheon. The mad King captured Brandon Stark and his squires, called their fathers to kings landing and murdered everyone of them (except for the Glover I think). And at the edge of extinction The houses Baratheon, Stark, Tully and Arryn forged an alliance against the king.
And probably Robert even loved Lyanna.
I like your videos tbh because u r saying exactly what i tell people (who only seen the show) but i justget attacked and told "I just wanna enjoy the episode" and apparently i am too salty lol
Please keep the vids going! I'll keep sending my friends the links to ur vids just to show them that i am not the only one
Your disdain and confusion against the Targaryen and specifically Rhaegar will continue even if you read the books. That's how GRRM portray the man, and Barristan was one of his closest friend. The nobles held Rhaegar in high regard. Only Dorne and the North disliked him.
+Anomaly Inc I swear, you are the ONLY one who seems to get it. The way Dumb and Dumber wrote Jon's arc was absolutely bullshit! They destroyed him as they destroyed Tyrion, Varys and Little Finger. Suddenly the smartest people become dumb just like Dumb and Dumber. And...the way they glorified Danaerys and made her into a White Jesus Savior was absolutely disgusting. No wonder so many were upset with her ending. The writers didn't explicitly showed how she was another entitled chick who only had a name and three dragons that someone gave her. And also, every single man is in love with Danaerys?? It's disgusting.
at around 10:00 when you are talking about Rheagar and lyanna, both you and the show writers I think got it wrong. the books suggest more than rheagar was obsessed with prophecy specifically that his children would be the 3 heads of the dragon and 1 would be the prince that was promised.
he convinced elia of this and it is suggested she convinced him to find a woman to give him his 3rd child since she could not.
when he meet lyanna he was convinced and convinced her she was the one.
for all of them it was suggested more they believed it was there duty to do this. not a sappy love story but more a tragic story of obsession of belief leading down a horrible path.
We never see anything about him convincing Elia or she being okay with him having other children I read all the books youre making shit up, but let's say I'm wrong what book and chapter are you referring to?
Some major corrections:
1. No, Catelyn was not that bad in the books. She was cold to Jon but understant that Jon was the symbol of Ned's infidelity. A symbol that she has to see every day. She is never cruel to Jon, and
Catelyn, by the standards of the book, treats Jon very well. Ned thinks Jon won't sieze power from Robb, but Catelyn isn't dumb.
There were 5 Blackfyre rebellions, one in her lifetime. Bastards when given power in Westeros, have historically tried getting more.
2. Jon willingly wants to join the Night's Watch. He wants to go because his Uncle Benjen is there. Ned is also relieved that Jon is going there. Cat isn't some evil step mom type character that forces Ned to accept Jon leaving.
3. Rhaegar and Lyanna running away is still unclear in the books and Robert's Rebellion almost certainly would've still happened anyways.
If you had actually read the books, you'd know that Rhaegar was planning to overthrow his father and The Arryns, The Tullys, the Starks, and the Boratheons had all recently married into each other's families. "Southren Ambitions"
When Rhaegar and Lyanna disappeared together, it was Ned's older brother Brandon who rode to King's Landing. He went up to the king and demanded that Rhaegar be executed. Let me repeat he went to the Mad King and demanded his Son be executed because of a rumor.
Brandon, who locked up and his father, was called. It wasn't until he came and went against the mad king that Aerys burned them alive and started the war.
The show changed this, having the entire conflict start with Rhaegar and Lyanna.
It's the exact opposite of what he said in the video. Aerys killing the lord of winterfell and his heir unjustly started the war, that was the powder keg.
This video is shit all around. A dude 200 pages into the first book who doesn't even understand what he just read trying to explain the plot to the whole series.
The show being shit is obvious. You didn't need 20 minutes to say that. This video is also full of red flags for this dude as a person. Grow up and touch grass pls
You're taking Lyanna and Raegar's actions very personally. Who hurt you in the past?
Lyanna and Rhaegar are clueless
Well there retarded actions not only cost them to their lives but started war
@@lxfj2128 It was less Lyanna and Raegar who started the war and more Aries for burning alive two innocent people with legitimate grievances.
Anomoly Inc: “I’m not going to mention anything from the book❗️”
Also Anomoly Inc: (every 6.2secs) “Well, In the book...”
lol yeah kinda
but to be fair everything i mentioned from the book was just to show the disconnect between show and book
video was about the show
Reaghar and Lyanna getting together wasn't just a case of a couple of selfish teenagers falling in love. Reaghar knew about the prophecy of the prince that was promised and believed that would be one of his 3 kids (the three headed dragon). Since he had 2 with Elia and it was said she wouldn't survive another childbirth he believed it was crucial he fathered another child with another woman. This was the reason he got together with Lyanna, with the blessing of Elia
There's a little too much volume difference between the scenes and your voice... :(
It's pretty ironic how Dumb and Dumber made both Rhaegar's personality and motivations the complete opposite of what they were in the books. Book Rhaegar is often described as a sullen and reclusive man and his primary motivation for fathering a child with Lyanna was to fulfil prophecy due to his obsession with it and seeing it as his obligation for the sake of the world. Show Rhaegar was just a horndog who's good deeds we have to get exposited in an attempt to forget how many problems he caused.
This Titanic hit a Benioff and Weissberg and went down like a stone. It will always be remembered as a Horrible Disaster.
Serously your statement is crangy AF
"I may have been born valeryan, but i was raised a stark"
-the end
Don’t get it twisted. Rhaegar didn’t do it for love, he did it for the prince that was promised
According to the show he did it for love
Hell yeah I was looking forward to your next GOT video!! Right on bro!
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Wait... The North would just get slaughtered by Daenerys' army, and Daenerys wouldn't have let him live if he doesn't give up the North which is part of the Seven Kingdoms, therefore, is Daenerys'
The two idiots thought subverting everything possible, is good story writing! Surprise: Jon/Aegon Targaryen meant nothing! Surprise: Jon being named King in the North meant nothing! Surprise: Arya kills the Night king instead of Jon, he just yells at an undead dragon! Surprise: 99% of the Dothraki are killed when they charge the wight army, but are back full force the following episodes! (Guess Dumb & Dumber forgot!) Surprise: Jamie tells Tyrion: "I never cared for the people, Yet his story arc was that of redemption from killing a king to save thousands of people! (Guess Dumb & Dumber forgot again!) Surprise: After being yelled at by Greyworm: "you are not here to speak!" Tyrion goes on to speak for 10 minutes and decides Bran should be king cause (aggggh) he has the best story! Surprise: The Dothraki (Who are back from the dead) and Greyworm allow Jon to be Banished to the Wall (Not executed for killing their Khalessi) which serves no purpose any longer because the Whitewalkers were destroyed and the wildling's are now allies! Surprise: Everyone agrees to the North's independence, including Dorne, Who did not bend the knee to the Targaryen's and their Dragon's but will now bend the knee for Bran the Broken! I can go on, but I've typed more than i wanted to! Just frustrated and venting when you devote all those years into watching such a great show, to have these two clowns Half-ass the last couple of seasons!
The books were nothing to write home about really. It was George Martin’s brilliant idea to make Daenarys into Lieutenant Calley. I am not pleased with Mr. Martin at all, and will not buying those last two books even if Martin ever actually writes them. Benioff and Weiss have little or no talent, they are horrible. I will never forgive them for making a total hash out of what wasn’t really very good to begin with. Bored people will watch anything on TV. But this was eight years for a Nothing payoff. Pathetic.