His final words will be, "You have her eyes... my son..." The sequel trilogy is then entirely about the young man solving the mystery of the king's enigmatic dying words.
imagine a book that does this foreshadowing for the entire time but then it turns out that they were completely off track and it really was a coincidence the whole time
Man, it was such a great twist when it turned out that "Ableyon" was the king's personal guard who went mad after failing to protect his king and started to believe that he was the king so that he could find the prince and get revenge on the people who destroyed their kingdom.
Don't forget to mention the bodyguard was the queen's secret lover and that the king tolerated the relationship because he was infertile, so the prince is actually the bodyguard's son.
I actually disagree with this, I think you have to foreshadow your twists at least a tiny bit. My friend who is reading rhythm of war keeps texting me perfectly correct theories about things that are definitely twisty as he's reading because he's just a smart cookie that way.
Obviously, Spider-people ate newborn prince and consume his memory and DNA, then they create a spider-spy, who looks exactly the same and can claim the throne later. Big political game.
Not sure what’s worse: this or when the writer’s like “Oh crap, the reader’s putting together clues about my twist or the buildup I’ve set up regarding future events in my story. Time to pull a twist out of my ass that renders all this planting of clues and buildup meaningless! That’s what readers want: nonsensical twists that render the story and characters they cared about meaningless.”
Wheel of Time: All the foreshadowing of Taim being Damodred only for Jordan to decide that too many readers had guessed and render all the foreshadowing as useless…
Even worse is BBC Sherlock, when the showrunner decides to "outsmart" the audience by not giving them the most crucial clues within the episode, only for Sherlock to pull them out of his ass at the end because what a smart boy he is.
It’s the difference between why the twists in the early seasons of Game of Thrones worked and the latter ones after the showrunners ran out of books didn’t. With the early seasons, the twists are shocking yet looking back, you can see how it was all set up and how it was really inevitable in a sense, that it was always going to end this way for that character; for it to end another way, would require them to be a completely different character. Latter seasons, they just pull stuff out of their asses for the sake of saying, “Fooled ya!” It’s the equivalent of poking your audience in the eye and being baffled when they get mad at you.
@@SPDYellow What happened with Game of Thrones was people expected pop-culture trash and they got avant garde trash. It had nothing to do with giant left turns "out of nowhere"
“We need to find the super rare Winter Fairy lest everything fall to ruin!” 2 minutes later “Hi, I’m new here. My name is [Japanese Word for Snow]” “Cool! A new friend!”
@@scrollexdestiny Remember Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban? The moment Ron asks "Where did you just come from?" for the first time I immediately went "Oh no, it's gonna be time traveling!" and sadly I was right. 😂
There's a fine line to walk between making the twist too obvious and not foreshadowing it. Especially when it's a twist that we've been spoofing since 1980.
Tropes aren’t necessarily bad. People have the unfortunate habit of using the word trope as a synonym for cliche, but that’s not really true. Tropes can become cliches if used badly, but really all fiction is made up of tropes the way music is made up of notes. Maybe if you just typed “purple monkey dishwasher” for three hundred pages, you can say you’ve written fiction without any tropes but chances are, there’s probably a trope for fiction that’s just typing “purple monkey dishwasher” over and over. There’s no escaping tropes, my pretties! :wicked witch of the west cackles:
@@SPDYellow You are spot on, the "tropes" discourse online urks me as well....thing is, it is usually done by avid readers not really by writers, because actual writers know it is basically impossible to write withouth any trope at this point.
I always wondered why so many authors "thought that their audience was stupid" and felt the need to be extremely obvious and heavy handed with foreshadowing and exposition, until the day I read a series of books where nothing was just "handed" to you: you actually had to analize the events and theorize in order to figure out what was going on behind the scenes. It was all extremely clever and made figuring out the plot twists extremely rewarding. Turns out, the entire early plot went over most people's heads and the series was labelled "confusing" and "convoluted". Some people couldn't even figure out the plot twists AFTER they had already been revealed and kept theorizing about things that had already been explained chapters before. TLDR: the reason authors treat their readers as if they're stupid is that most of them actually are.
But what was the book series you refer to? I might be interested to read. And if anyone wants to read books without heavy handed plot twists, I recommend Lois McMaster Bujold (and particularly her 5 Gods series for the fantasy side). Not saying there aren't plot twists, they just aren't heavy handed in my opinion. And bad tropes are avoided for the most part.
Writers should keep in mind that if plot threads are built on strong characters arcs, and cause & effect, then they'll still be satisfying even if the reader sees it coming. Ideally, if not a "Whoa?!?" of surprise, you could get a "Yes!!" of catharsis, because the reader enjoyed seeing the story unfold the way they predicted.
I actually think this has developed into fan entitlement. People think something is "supposed to happen" and sometimes it doesn't and it was... *_never_*_ supposed to!_
Sweetest monster is opposite case. You predict plot twist, but trying convince yourself that you wrong, because "there's no way author will do this", only to be horrified to see that you were right.
There was a book I really liked that by far the biggest problem I had with it was all the giant neon signs pointing towards the fact that the main character, who grew up in an orphanage, turns out to be the lost princess. What annoyed me about it wasn't that the plot twist was so obvious from the first time the royal family got brought up, what annoyed me was it was so obvious that I don't understand how any of the characters didn't figure it out earlier
The thing is, even with all that it's not unlikely for the characters to not guess it. Because you know that they are special (they’re the main characters of the book, after all!) But here, Ableon has no reason to suppose the boy is more special than the one next to him (other that he spent time with him). He doesn't know he is a book character and that the author must have paired him with that boy for a reason, or that all the coincidences are less coincidental than the rest of what he sees everyday, and are actually foreshadowing planted by an author who has planned all of the story. The problem in the video is not that they don't guess, it's all the constant random allusions ("Oh you can lick your elbow! Just like your moth- my wife!" ) making it obvious while at the same time it's treated like a big mystery that's drawn out for 2000 pages.
@@asaipuol I mean the first few times it got brought up you can understand why the two characters don't realize they're father and son But oh you have the same name as my son, you're about the same age as my son, you were found 1 block away from where my son died, you have my wifes eyes. I mean any one of those could be a coincidence I guess but at some point it's so obvious that the characters have to realize And I know this video was more complaining about the plot twist being obvious to the reader then characters not realizing the plot twist, but I'm not that bothered when I can see a plot twist coming, I am bothered when a character should know better but doesn't
Some advice I once read was that if your main goal was to surprise your readers with a cool idea, you'd probably flop, but if you wanted focus on the characters and bring them to life, then it wouldn't matter if your idea was surprising or not. I also think plot twists get too much focus and leads to authors pulling solutions out of thin air instead of building up to things properly.
I am not sure if they are meant to sound cliche or not, but I’m actually enjoying these character and place names in the video. They feel homey and lived in.
I literally just read a book like this. There's a scene where the guy is flirting with the woman who killed his family (she's in disguise for most of the book) and he literally says something along the lines of "yeah, a person would have to be an idiot to flirt with someone who killed their whole family". This is like 2 scenes after we've met her and the reveal at the end of the book is literally painful to read because of how clever it thinks it is. This video gave me ptsd
Same here! It's a fantasy story where the heroine doesn't know who her father is and her grandfather is actively keeping the info away from her. When the story reaches the point where the identity of her father becomes too relevant to ignore, they go "Well, I only tell you the last name because I promised your grandpa not to tell you and I want to keep my promise at least somehow." So the last name happens to be the same as a famous lord from the neighbour country but they immediately add that the country has some kind of weird naming law that everyone who serves a lord has to take on his last name, so she probably is the daughter of one of the servants. However, this naming practice would be so impractical and confusing that it's painfully obvious that the author is just trying to hide the "plot twist", that the girl is actually that lord's daughter, until the end of the book. There's even another plot twist in that book that logically would've been cleared up in the first half of the story, but the author's reasoning why that didn't happen opened up other plot holes. I could really tell that the author wanted to have certain scenes and unusccessfully tried to bent the plot to accommodate it.
@@isadoranurdin4402tropes are completely fine if I didn’t clarify that! You can’t have a story without at least one or two, and they shouldn’t be something to be avoided as long as you’re adding a spin to them or writing an original plot as a whole!
I feel like when a book was written in 1917 it gets a bit of a pass for being predictable, especially something as heavily drawn from as John carter of mars.
Yeah, books that created or predated the popularity of tropes get a pass. I remember when the "Lord of the Rings" movies came out, some illiterate dolts claimed that it was "cliche."
You know, fair enough. My gripe with this trope in that series (in the second book, I believe; it's been a while since I read it ) is more about how long the "reveal" was dragged on for. And even given how influential John Carter was, it's not like those books invented the "orphaned child finds long-lost father" trope,. so I seriously doubt the original audience was totally wet-behind-the-ears regarding it.
@@easolinas1233People who make those arguments about LOTR are usually thinking about the cheap knockoffs of LOTR and ignore the nuances that Tolkien brought to the table. Yes, Gimli was a bearded dwarf who wielded an axe, loved gold and minerals, and was prejudiced against elves, but he also had something of a warrior poet in him.
@@SPDYellow I am reading LOTR for the first time and Gimli is so much more than just a warrior poet. He is one of the benchmarks. He literally is willing to get beef with Eomér just because the Lord says he is distrusting of Galadriel. He carries so much grace and intensity that sets him apart from the Elves and humans. I even sometimes spot autistic(am one myself) vibes with the way he hones in on specific details. My favorite part is that he spends about one-and-a-half books cutting wood with an axe(Tolkien loves describing breakfast, dawn/dusk, and Gimli making campfire) and then Gimli comments himself on the fact that the battle at helmsdeep finally gave him some reprieve from hacking wood. And Gimli also just does lore dumps with so much genuine enthusiasm that you can follow along. I am really salty how much they dumped down Legolas(less of an issue since at least he got athletic feats) and Gimli. Even Merry and Pippin so far got cool moments in the book(just got past the journey to Isengard) with Merry having properly studied the maps in order to dare traverse Fangorn and Pippin being extremely quick-witted under pressure. I also am understanding less and less off how they changed Aragorn. People always say how Aragorn is too much of a Mary Sue and at times he does seem a cut above everyone else. However, in the books he has good flaws and he doubts a lot. Just because Aragorn is competing with Gandalf and Elves doesn't make him a Mary Sue imo. I doubly dislike the changes to movie Aragorn because they then also had to make Boromir and Aragorn at odds. In the books Boromir and Aragorn were planning to travel to Minas Tirith. That plan obviously got changed after Gandalf yeeted himself in Moria, Boromir died and Merry+Pippin had to be saved. Oh god and in the place where Boromir dies, Frodo is so much more of a hero. He straight up decides to just sneak out and abandon everyone without having to speak to Aragorn. In the movies it doesn't feel as heroic(tbf Elijah Wood got bad directing) because Aragorn makes the decision with Frodo. That's what the movies sometimes miss out on. Tolkien understood how to have characters behave heroically.
I like to assume the author is trying to mislead me with such painfully obvious foreshadowing only to reveal a cool twist later. I mean I’m usually wrong, but it’s fun while it lasts
PLOT TWIST: Sarah Michelle Gellar gives birth to a bastard goat demon on top of an actual arc reactor, the blood acting as its fuel, imploding the machine backwards through time and space, the presumed son was actually the father the whole time, while the presumed father was actually the son the whole time. The spider people were writing this story into existence as time deconstructed itself. Time was never moving forward, it was always moving backward this whole time.
A plot twist IS a thing. Obvious shit, at this point, let's just keep it obvious. When Kung Fu Panda has Po, the only giant panda in town, meets another giant panda, who was previously seen having a vision that his son was alive, that's plot. The joke of everyone knowing they are father and son before they figure it out is built into the plot. The plot twist/reveal that Oogway happily assumed the Universe really did send Po to him because he learned the basis of kung fu from pandas 500 years ago, THAT is a reveal that actually reshapes how we view the entire story.
Actually, the prince was not kidnapped at all. Ableyon had hidden the prince in a secret chamber to protect him, but the pendant accidentally dropped and they forgot about that. The attackers had found another baby outside the castle. They took that kid and the pendant. When the kid grew up he found that the only way to escape was to use the pendant which had magic powers. He stole the pendant, escaped and killed hundreds of guards. The king 's brother was also one of the guards. So ableyon decided to find the person who killed his brother. He claimed his son was dead so that no one could harm him. But he was starting to suspect who his companion was and was just waiting for the right time to attack and kill him.
I remember reading the "feed" series by pseudonymous author Mira Grant, which I still think of as the worst books I ever read. They have a plot twist SO OBVIOUS that I was in disbelief that it was supposed to be one. The narrator had to outright state that this was a revelation. All previous hints had been so obvious and thickly buttered that I thought anyone reading while not falling asleep must have noticed. (I do not recognize reading this trilogy. It's a series written about several subjects that the author doesn't understand, using constant repetition to fill word count, and characters constantly self-congratulating themselves on their greatness because the author doesn't notice how incompetent they are)
I was hoping that the real plot twist was that his actual father killed the king's son but then when his baby started crying he pulled him out from the wrap on his back and started reasurring him then looking between his baby and the dead baby on the ground. only then he realized the horrors of what he'd done and decided to leave his baby in the cave as an offering to their gods for forgiveness for his harsh act hoping his own suffering at a lost of his son would equal out his actions in the eyes of their gods so they might spare him.
You know. I think any of us who have ever read a book should feel guilt that we aren’t attempting to write. Those of us who have read a book or two, or even if we read many book synopsis’s have seen books that are either simply poorly written, or books that have atrocious plots. It should indicate to many of us that at least an attempt should be made because if shitty books get published so often, how much worse can you be?
See, _my_ twist would have been that they weren't related at all and the lost prince turns out to be someone completely different, like the villain or something. The king knew all along because his son actually inherited _his_ eyes, not his mother's. But in the end they've grown so close that Arandir may as well be Ableyon's son.
I'm in a bizarre spot where I've consumed so much sci-fi/fantasy over my life that I'm actually a little concerned that I'm over-aware of genre tropes. A Memory Called Empire was one of the my favorite recent sci-fi works, I called that it would win the Hugo. But the sequel, A Desolation Called Peace, had a """twist""" that was extremely obvious from the beginning of the book to someone who has read lots of other sci-fi. And it got my seriously questioning, was the twist really super obvious, the author thought she was on to something really novel/clever even though she wasn't? Or have I have just read THAT much sci-fi? I've definitely been touching grass for a while since then
I'd love if the plot twist was that they're not really related. I actually enjoy when the author is aware of the trope and just pretends to be doing a cliche before turning it upside down.
It would be hilarious if an author did this and then revealed that they WEREN'T related. Make the boy a regular peasent or something who thought he was secretly a lost prince, then introduce the real prince so he realizes he isn't special.
0:58 "Also why are you in my house?" "You'll just have to keep reading to find out..." this implies that the book has the reason the author is in his house
Plot twist, the true plot twist is not that he is his son, but actually someone took the pendant from his son and give it to him as a baby boy and then abandoned him.
This reminds me of a book I read where it constantly hinted that the protagonist was the lost prince, only to reveal at the very end that the lost prince was in fact a random member of the protagonist’s friend group. And the protagonist was an unrelated unethical child solider science experiment from the previous war. I felt so betrayed
I sort of _like_ this, though It's the narrative equivalent of playing a huge dramatic musical string over the first kiss in a romantic comedy, and that's just good clean -insanity- fun.
@@tomvandalen2212 It encourages you to set annual reading goals that the site will then track as a feature that is definitely motivated to promote more reading in the same vein as kid's summer reading programs with the library, and totally not a subtle nudge by the Amazon-owned website to buy those books the site is recommending (and linking to the Amazon listing for) in order to hit said reading goals. The goal is specifically for books completed, meaning a book that you give on up at the 3/4 point doesn't help you hit your quota. No real problem aside from a tangible, online reminder of how you've effectively failed a New Year's resolution, although the site does have forums, the ability to add other users as friends, and the ability for those friends to see that you've failed your New Year's resolution.
I somewhat disagree. I think the best plot twists make you go, "Should've seen that coming!" Ditto resolutions to mystery stories. Like a good chess problem, all the pieces should be clearly visible, but the moves should be novel.
The plot twist is that the protagonist is Ableyon's father, who time-traveled as a result of an accident - the same accident that set the seeds for the fall of the kingdom.
Yep, definitely have seen these obvious plot twists in so many fictional media lol. I’m so at the point where I’m impressed if I can’t see the plot twist coming.
The dad is DEFINITELY dying right after the plot twist finally comes.
His final words will be, "You have her eyes... my son..."
The sequel trilogy is then entirely about the young man solving the mystery of the king's enigmatic dying words.
@@mgatwood42 Then he finds out he's been carrying his mother's eyes inside the pendant all this time.
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@@Lernos1that is way too much of a plot twist smh
@@Lernos1ok this made me laugh
imagine a book that does this foreshadowing for the entire time but then it turns out that they were completely off track and it really was a coincidence the whole time
Or even better, that the "son" is actually the offspring of the "father's" enemy or something like that.
Or thats the Son is actually a time travelling version of himself.
Oh, man, I'd be furious!
@@Yesica1993 and I'd laugh
This definitely never happens in TV shows/book series when the audience guesses the "twist" earlier than they're supposed to.
You fight like a lion. Who are you?
“A furry.”
That honestly sounds like a more shocking twist
A spidery furry.
@@redcraft612 Tarantula furrsona?
@@hunterterrell5735 Genuinely it really would be
"What is it fath... Ableyon ? " 😂😂😂 Nice touch
I'd like to think it was in the book and MC actually suspected something
Man, it was such a great twist when it turned out that "Ableyon" was the king's personal guard who went mad after failing to protect his king and started to believe that he was the king so that he could find the prince and get revenge on the people who destroyed their kingdom.
That would actually be a great plot twist! Keep it up
I'd eat that up tbh
Okay, I *love* that one
Damm that sounds similar to my story 😢
Don't forget to mention the bodyguard was the queen's secret lover and that the king tolerated the relationship because he was infertile, so the prince is actually the bodyguard's son.
Choosing the same actor to play both parts is a dead giveaway.
Underrated comment
No, it's a dad giveaway
@MoonKent Yessss!!! Well played!
The Prestige (2006)
At the other extreme, you can be my wife who guesses the most obscure plot twists during the opening credits.
This just comes from watching a lot of stuff. The smallest hints can give it all away.
It’s so funny when I do that to my spouse. It’s usually when I’m joking too and my spouse is always like ‘Come ONN, HOW!’
I do it when my brother tries to show me something new
How often is she correct?
@@cuffed2479 every. Single. Time.
If people see your plot twist coming, it's not a plot twist. It's just the plot.
Which is fine, if that's what you want.
I actually disagree with this, I think you have to foreshadow your twists at least a tiny bit. My friend who is reading rhythm of war keeps texting me perfectly correct theories about things that are definitely twisty as he's reading because he's just a smart cookie that way.
Yeah, this problem only arises when the author thinks it's a plot twist, but it's not.
@@zachswanson6643 Yes exactly. Figuring out the twist before the twist is just as fun if not more fun than getting surprised.
@@zachswanson6643 Seductive writing is essential, twists are not. Source: I write stuff.
How many people? 10% of readers? 20%? 50%? Just one reader? How many people have to see it coming for it to stop being being a twist?
Obviously, Spider-people ate newborn prince and consume his memory and DNA, then they create a spider-spy, who looks exactly the same and can claim the throne later. Big political game.
That's actually brilliant, would read 100%
That would be an amazing plot twist
but the newborn prince didnt die they only got to bite of his ear and because of that theres gonna be a big battle whos the real one
It's just hundreds of spiders wearing human skin
@@realdragon *aggressively taking notes*
"Not really, i like spiders"
really great delivery on that line lol
Spiders are cool.
@@genericallyentertaining NOOO! SPIDERS ARE EVIL AND MURDEROUS AND YOU ARE MY MORTAL ENEMY NOW!
@@nikacomedawn I'm siding with the anti-spider coalition
@@blueninja012 They eat all of the pests in your garden and THIS is how you repay them?!? Unbelievable.
@@thepotatoportal69theyre a bunch of ungrateful brats!
751 pages before you gave up, you have more patience than me
I appreciate you calling my stubborn naivete "patience."
@@genericallyentertaining The book isn't that long, don't give dirt to my boy Edgar Rice Burroughs, lol.
The twist so obvious the MC almost forgot his lines.
Not sure what’s worse: this or when the writer’s like “Oh crap, the reader’s putting together clues about my twist or the buildup I’ve set up regarding future events in my story. Time to pull a twist out of my ass that renders all this planting of clues and buildup meaningless! That’s what readers want: nonsensical twists that render the story and characters they cared about meaningless.”
Wheel of Time: All the foreshadowing of Taim being Damodred only for Jordan to decide that too many readers had guessed and render all the foreshadowing as useless…
Even worse is BBC Sherlock, when the showrunner decides to "outsmart" the audience by not giving them the most crucial clues within the episode, only for Sherlock to pull them out of his ass at the end because what a smart boy he is.
It’s the difference between why the twists in the early seasons of Game of Thrones worked and the latter ones after the showrunners ran out of books didn’t.
With the early seasons, the twists are shocking yet looking back, you can see how it was all set up and how it was really inevitable in a sense, that it was always going to end this way for that character; for it to end another way, would require them to be a completely different character.
Latter seasons, they just pull stuff out of their asses for the sake of saying, “Fooled ya!” It’s the equivalent of poking your audience in the eye and being baffled when they get mad at you.
@@groofay Oh come on man, who doesn't know that a secret government lab in Liberty Indiana ran an experiment on weaponized Hallucinogens in 1993?
@@SPDYellow What happened with Game of Thrones was people expected pop-culture trash and they got avant garde trash. It had nothing to do with giant left turns "out of nowhere"
“We need to find the super rare Winter Fairy lest everything fall to ruin!”
2 minutes later
“Hi, I’m new here. My name is [Japanese Word for Snow]”
“Cool! A new friend!”
You rang?
I understood that reference!
@@zalaweyker8007 What's it referencing?
@@TFAltHist Destined, book 4 of the Wings series by aprillyne pike.
Kori? Well it means ice but close enough
Plot twist, they're the same person, but with time travel shenanigans.
oh god do i hate time travel in stuff that doesnt needed it and didnt use it for majority of it
@@scrollexdestiny Remember Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban? The moment Ron asks "Where did you just come from?" for the first time I immediately went "Oh no, it's gonna be time traveling!" and sadly I was right. 😂
There's a fine line to walk between making the twist too obvious and not foreshadowing it. Especially when it's a twist that we've been spoofing since 1980.
“What is it fa- I mean, Ablaeon?” had me laughing louder than is socially acceptable in most countries.
This is why stories we read as kids always seem like the best, it was before we realised all fiction is just a bunch of tropes in a trenchcoat
Read better fiction
Well, on the bright side, that's always a good push to get out of your comfort zone a little and read completely new things!
Tropes aren’t necessarily bad. People have the unfortunate habit of using the word trope as a synonym for cliche, but that’s not really true. Tropes can become cliches if used badly, but really all fiction is made up of tropes the way music is made up of notes. Maybe if you just typed “purple monkey dishwasher” for three hundred pages, you can say you’ve written fiction without any tropes but chances are, there’s probably a trope for fiction that’s just typing “purple monkey dishwasher” over and over. There’s no escaping tropes, my pretties! :wicked witch of the west cackles:
@@SPDYellow You are spot on, the "tropes" discourse online urks me as well....thing is, it is usually done by avid readers not really by writers, because actual writers know it is basically impossible to write withouth any trope at this point.
I don't know man... I read Goosebumps and Animorphs when I was a "kid"~ Now, I'm reading Virginia Woolf and Harlan Ellison.
I miss being a kid... 😂😅
“If I wasn’t so obsessive with my goodreads” ya pretty much…
“What is it fathe.. Abeleon” when even the characters can see the plot twist coming 😂
I always wondered why so many authors "thought that their audience was stupid" and felt the need to be extremely obvious and heavy handed with foreshadowing and exposition, until the day I read a series of books where nothing was just "handed" to you: you actually had to analize the events and theorize in order to figure out what was going on behind the scenes. It was all extremely clever and made figuring out the plot twists extremely rewarding. Turns out, the entire early plot went over most people's heads and the series was labelled "confusing" and "convoluted". Some people couldn't even figure out the plot twists AFTER they had already been revealed and kept theorizing about things that had already been explained chapters before.
TLDR: the reason authors treat their readers as if they're stupid is that most of them actually are.
But what was the book series you refer to? I might be interested to read. And if anyone wants to read books without heavy handed plot twists, I recommend Lois McMaster Bujold (and particularly her 5 Gods series for the fantasy side). Not saying there aren't plot twists, they just aren't heavy handed in my opinion. And bad tropes are avoided for the most part.
Yeah what is this book series
What is the book called? I want to give it a go
Is there a reason you didn't include the name of the series? Do you want us to take your clues and find it ourselves? 😂
Yeah, what gives? 😂
Writers should keep in mind that if plot threads are built on strong characters arcs, and cause & effect, then they'll still be satisfying even if the reader sees it coming.
Ideally, if not a "Whoa?!?" of surprise, you could get a "Yes!!" of catharsis, because the reader enjoyed seeing the story unfold the way they predicted.
I actually think this has developed into fan entitlement. People think something is "supposed to happen" and sometimes it doesn't and it was... *_never_*_ supposed to!_
True! That what I feel when play Ace attorney :’).
yeah and they should prob have that mindset
bc
plottwists without out of nowhere are shit
Sweetest monster is opposite case. You predict plot twist, but trying convince yourself that you wrong, because "there's no way author will do this", only to be horrified to see that you were right.
Wait, so is there some kind of connection between those two characters, or...?
Wait for the sequel video to find out!! (Sorry I had to end this one on a cliffhanger.)
Duh! They shop at the same pendant store!
I think they are twins. Just look at how their faces are basically the same.
@@johannageisel5390 But they aren't dressed alike.
“If I wasn’t obsessed with goodreads I would have stoped reading this book a long time ago” is way too accurate.
OH YES CANT SACRIFICE THE GOODREADS CRED
Maybe the real plot twist was the friends we made along the way.
of course a person with a sans pfp would say that
@@dry4smash946 pretty sure someone said that exact thing to me on discord a few days ago.
There was a book I really liked that by far the biggest problem I had with it was all the giant neon signs pointing towards the fact that the main character, who grew up in an orphanage, turns out to be the lost princess.
What annoyed me about it wasn't that the plot twist was so obvious from the first time the royal family got brought up, what annoyed me was it was so obvious that I don't understand how any of the characters didn't figure it out earlier
The thing is, even with all that it's not unlikely for the characters to not guess it. Because you know that they are special (they’re the main characters of the book, after all!)
But here, Ableon has no reason to suppose the boy is more special than the one next to him (other that he spent time with him). He doesn't know he is a book character and that the author must have paired him with that boy for a reason, or that all the coincidences are less coincidental than the rest of what he sees everyday, and are actually foreshadowing planted by an author who has planned all of the story.
The problem in the video is not that they don't guess, it's all the constant random allusions ("Oh you can lick your elbow! Just like your moth- my wife!" ) making it obvious while at the same time it's treated like a big mystery that's drawn out for 2000 pages.
@@asaipuol I mean the first few times it got brought up you can understand why the two characters don't realize they're father and son
But oh you have the same name as my son, you're about the same age as my son, you were found 1 block away from where my son died, you have my wifes eyes.
I mean any one of those could be a coincidence I guess but at some point it's so obvious that the characters have to realize
And I know this video was more complaining about the plot twist being obvious to the reader then characters not realizing the plot twist, but I'm not that bothered when I can see a plot twist coming, I am bothered when a character should know better but doesn't
“Could it be? You’re also a mistborn fan as well?!”
You don't mean... THE SPIDER PEOPLE FUCKING KILLED MY SON AND GAVE YOU HIS PENDANT?!!
Some advice I once read was that if your main goal was to surprise your readers with a cool idea, you'd probably flop, but if you wanted focus on the characters and bring them to life, then it wouldn't matter if your idea was surprising or not. I also think plot twists get too much focus and leads to authors pulling solutions out of thin air instead of building up to things properly.
Sad we didn't get to see the plot twist to find out why the author was in his house this whole time
After all, the author *did* say "you'll just have to keep reading to find out" -- then he doesn't follow through? disappointing :D
Plot Twist, The Auther is the Reader's son
What if the “son” was just someone they hired to spy on the king, and the plot twist is that we’re following the villain.
I would 100% read a book that was JUST this for 600 pages and then the twist is theyre NOT related
It's a movie called Bladerunner 2049
Imagine if the "son" was the "father's" father.
3:08 "What is it Fath- uh, Ableon?"
"Raised by the spider-people of the central forest." -- That made me laugh.
I am not sure if they are meant to sound cliche or not, but I’m actually enjoying these character and place names in the video. They feel homey and lived in.
I genuinely expected this video to have the following plot twist: they *weren’t* father and son and the author had a truly clever explanation
The fine balance of making it obvious ONLY in hindsight
Well nevermind is the most amazing line in reading and people should use it more
Yea it drives me crazy
GRRM having to pretend nobody knows who Jon's real mother and father is after all these years
I literally just read a book like this. There's a scene where the guy is flirting with the woman who killed his family (she's in disguise for most of the book) and he literally says something along the lines of "yeah, a person would have to be an idiot to flirt with someone who killed their whole family". This is like 2 scenes after we've met her and the reveal at the end of the book is literally painful to read because of how clever it thinks it is. This video gave me ptsd
Same here! It's a fantasy story where the heroine doesn't know who her father is and her grandfather is actively keeping the info away from her. When the story reaches the point where the identity of her father becomes too relevant to ignore, they go "Well, I only tell you the last name because I promised your grandpa not to tell you and I want to keep my promise at least somehow." So the last name happens to be the same as a famous lord from the neighbour country but they immediately add that the country has some kind of weird naming law that everyone who serves a lord has to take on his last name, so she probably is the daughter of one of the servants. However, this naming practice would be so impractical and confusing that it's painfully obvious that the author is just trying to hide the "plot twist", that the girl is actually that lord's daughter, until the end of the book.
There's even another plot twist in that book that logically would've been cleared up in the first half of the story, but the author's reasoning why that didn't happen opened up other plot holes. I could really tell that the author wanted to have certain scenes and unusccessfully tried to bent the plot to accommodate it.
When the Prince was kidnapped, he must have dropped his pendant on the side of the road right where the protagonist had been left.
Your acting was very good. For a moment, it really felt like I was watching a story start.
IT’S ALWAYS A FREAKING PENDANT. EVERY SINGLE TIME AN AUTHOR GOES FOR THIS TWIST.
I uhh... *Gulp* may or may not have used a magical amulet to reveal my protagonist's backstory... I didn't know it was a cliché, forgive me 🥲
@@isadoranurdin4402tropes are completely fine if I didn’t clarify that! You can’t have a story without at least one or two, and they shouldn’t be something to be avoided as long as you’re adding a spin to them or writing an original plot as a whole!
I feel like when a book was written in 1917 it gets a bit of a pass for being predictable, especially something as heavily drawn from as John carter of mars.
Yeah, books that created or predated the popularity of tropes get a pass. I remember when the "Lord of the Rings" movies came out, some illiterate dolts claimed that it was "cliche."
You know, fair enough. My gripe with this trope in that series (in the second book, I believe; it's been a while since I read it ) is more about how long the "reveal" was dragged on for. And even given how influential John Carter was, it's not like those books invented the "orphaned child finds long-lost father" trope,. so I seriously doubt the original audience was totally wet-behind-the-ears regarding it.
@@easolinas1233People who make those arguments about LOTR are usually thinking about the cheap knockoffs of LOTR and ignore the nuances that Tolkien brought to the table. Yes, Gimli was a bearded dwarf who wielded an axe, loved gold and minerals, and was prejudiced against elves, but he also had something of a warrior poet in him.
@@SPDYellow I am reading LOTR for the first time and Gimli is so much more than just a warrior poet. He is one of the benchmarks. He literally is willing to get beef with Eomér just because the Lord says he is distrusting of Galadriel. He carries so much grace and intensity that sets him apart from the Elves and humans. I even sometimes spot autistic(am one myself) vibes with the way he hones in on specific details.
My favorite part is that he spends about one-and-a-half books cutting wood with an axe(Tolkien loves describing breakfast, dawn/dusk, and Gimli making campfire) and then Gimli comments himself on the fact that the battle at helmsdeep finally gave him some reprieve from hacking wood. And Gimli also just does lore dumps with so much genuine enthusiasm that you can follow along.
I am really salty how much they dumped down Legolas(less of an issue since at least he got athletic feats) and Gimli. Even Merry and Pippin so far got cool moments in the book(just got past the journey to Isengard) with Merry having properly studied the maps in order to dare traverse Fangorn and Pippin being extremely quick-witted under pressure.
I also am understanding less and less off how they changed Aragorn. People always say how Aragorn is too much of a Mary Sue and at times he does seem a cut above everyone else. However, in the books he has good flaws and he doubts a lot. Just because Aragorn is competing with Gandalf and Elves doesn't make him a Mary Sue imo. I doubly dislike the changes to movie Aragorn because they then also had to make Boromir and Aragorn at odds. In the books Boromir and Aragorn were planning to travel to Minas Tirith. That plan obviously got changed after Gandalf yeeted himself in Moria, Boromir died and Merry+Pippin had to be saved.
Oh god and in the place where Boromir dies, Frodo is so much more of a hero. He straight up decides to just sneak out and abandon everyone without having to speak to Aragorn. In the movies it doesn't feel as heroic(tbf Elijah Wood got bad directing) because Aragorn makes the decision with Frodo. That's what the movies sometimes miss out on. Tolkien understood how to have characters behave heroically.
That Nhar-kun should be careful, if him falling causing so much global problems
He's a clumsy guy.
The plot twist is that they AREN'T father and son
I like to assume the author is trying to mislead me with such painfully obvious foreshadowing only to reveal a cool twist later. I mean I’m usually wrong, but it’s fun while it lasts
The prince knew he was his father the whole time I swear-
"If I was less obsessed about my goodreads I would have quit this by now." Relatable.
This kinda thing always makes me paranoid about my own work.
that is way i love the foundation series, the plot twisted so hard that even the passage of time was ruthless
Tbf it probably IS just a coincidence. Unless there's a fountain of youth in this world, I'd say they both look the same age.
PLOT TWIST: Sarah Michelle Gellar gives birth to a bastard goat demon on top of an actual arc reactor, the blood acting as its fuel, imploding the machine backwards through time and space, the presumed son was actually the father the whole time, while the presumed father was actually the son the whole time. The spider people were writing this story into existence as time deconstructed itself. Time was never moving forward, it was always moving backward this whole time.
Thank you! It feels like no one in this comment section actually read the damn book before commenting.
@@RorikHit's still being written. In the year 2525. BC.
A plot twist IS a thing. Obvious shit, at this point, let's just keep it obvious. When Kung Fu Panda has Po, the only giant panda in town, meets another giant panda, who was previously seen having a vision that his son was alive, that's plot. The joke of everyone knowing they are father and son before they figure it out is built into the plot. The plot twist/reveal that Oogway happily assumed the Universe really did send Po to him because he learned the basis of kung fu from pandas 500 years ago, THAT is a reveal that actually reshapes how we view the entire story.
Actually, the prince was not kidnapped at all. Ableyon had hidden the prince in a secret chamber to protect him, but the pendant accidentally dropped and they forgot about that. The attackers had found another baby outside the castle. They took that kid and the pendant. When the kid grew up he found that the only way to escape was to use the pendant which had magic powers. He stole the pendant, escaped and killed hundreds of guards. The king 's brother was also one of the guards. So ableyon decided to find the person who killed his brother. He claimed his son was dead so that no one could harm him. But he was starting to suspect who his companion was and was just waiting for the right time to attack and kill him.
this is like: "Do you mean Batman is Bruce Wayne's roommate?"
The twist is he's not the father
finishing a book just to put it on goodreads? relatable af
I've listened to audiobooks at 3.5x speed before just so I could claim I finished the book on GoodReads
Your acting has really come a long way. You also seem to be much more comfortable on camera. Nice work.
I remember reading the "feed" series by pseudonymous author Mira Grant, which I still think of as the worst books I ever read. They have a plot twist SO OBVIOUS that I was in disbelief that it was supposed to be one. The narrator had to outright state that this was a revelation. All previous hints had been so obvious and thickly buttered that I thought anyone reading while not falling asleep must have noticed.
(I do not recognize reading this trilogy. It's a series written about several subjects that the author doesn't understand, using constant repetition to fill word count, and characters constantly self-congratulating themselves on their greatness because the author doesn't notice how incompetent they are)
“Ablaion the 9th they called me”
He says that like he doesn’t know why they called him “the 9th”.
wait, does that mean that him and the lost king's son went to the same jewlery shop?
Apparently so! Funny how these things happen.
"If I was less obsessive about my goodreads I would've quit this book by now." got me
I was hoping that the real plot twist was that his actual father killed the king's son but then when his baby started crying he pulled him out from the wrap on his back and started reasurring him then looking between his baby and the dead baby on the ground. only then he realized the horrors of what he'd done and decided to leave his baby in the cave as an offering to their gods for forgiveness for his harsh act hoping his own suffering at a lost of his son would equal out his actions in the eyes of their gods so they might spare him.
Damn 😮
You know. I think any of us who have ever read a book should feel guilt that we aren’t attempting to write. Those of us who have read a book or two, or even if we read many book synopsis’s have seen books that are either simply poorly written, or books that have atrocious plots. It should indicate to many of us that at least an attempt should be made because if shitty books get published so often, how much worse can you be?
That's actually motivating
if he's been standing there for hours, you've been reading for hours. i do too
See, _my_ twist would have been that they weren't related at all and the lost prince turns out to be someone completely different, like the villain or something. The king knew all along because his son actually inherited _his_ eyes, not his mother's. But in the end they've grown so close that Arandir may as well be Ableyon's son.
Plottwist. It's not supposed to be a plot twist. It's dramatic irony of how long it's going to take these two to finally figure it out.
The dad knows that he is a son but as soon as he tells his son that you know the dad knows that he is going to die
When the foreshadowing is so heavy handed it's foredarknessing.
thank you for existing and being on my internetubething
Internetubething is a glorious word. Can I borrow it?
This is like the book that won in a school competition because it had "so much foreshadowing"
I'm in a bizarre spot where I've consumed so much sci-fi/fantasy over my life that I'm actually a little concerned that I'm over-aware of genre tropes. A Memory Called Empire was one of the my favorite recent sci-fi works, I called that it would win the Hugo. But the sequel, A Desolation Called Peace, had a """twist""" that was extremely obvious from the beginning of the book to someone who has read lots of other sci-fi. And it got my seriously questioning, was the twist really super obvious, the author thought she was on to something really novel/clever even though she wasn't? Or have I have just read THAT much sci-fi? I've definitely been touching grass for a while since then
The blacklist comes to mind when I think of "they're extremely obviously parent/child, just reveal it already"
People often forget; the point of a plot twist is to recontextualize scenes and NOT do a, "got you!" on the audience.
I'd love if the plot twist was that they're not really related. I actually enjoy when the author is aware of the trope and just pretends to be doing a cliche before turning it upside down.
It would be hilarious if an author did this and then revealed that they WEREN'T related. Make the boy a regular peasent or something who thought he was secretly a lost prince, then introduce the real prince so he realizes he isn't special.
0:58 "Also why are you in my house?" "You'll just have to keep reading to find out..."
this implies that the book has the reason the author is in his house
"If I was less obsessive about my goodreads, I would've quit this book by now." LITERALLY ME!
Plot twist, the true plot twist is not that he is his son, but actually someone took the pendant from his son and give it to him as a baby boy and then abandoned him.
I was half expecting the dad to say "you stole my son's pendant"
This reminds me of a book I read where it constantly hinted that the protagonist was the lost prince, only to reveal at the very end that the lost prince was in fact a random member of the protagonist’s friend group. And the protagonist was an unrelated unethical child solider science experiment from the previous war. I felt so betrayed
Honestly I would love to see the "author" character return in future episodes, legit made me laugh so much
It’s worse with movies because there’s usually no unnecessary information given
Plot twist, the reader is actually the author with amnesia who’s hallucinating his past self
plot twist. the queen had cheated but the king didn't knew.
The Spider-people aspect sounded cool though.
3:21 I have made that same expression at my books, glad I'm not the only one.
I sort of _like_ this, though
It's the narrative equivalent of playing a huge dramatic musical string over the first kiss in a romantic comedy, and that's just good clean -insanity- fun.
The Fifth Season did this for me.
"If I was less obsessive about my goodreads, I would have quit this book by now" cut deep
Why do people get obsessed about goodreads? I thought it was some recommendation site for books? Does it have social media points?
@@tomvandalen2212 It encourages you to set annual reading goals that the site will then track as a feature that is definitely motivated to promote more reading in the same vein as kid's summer reading programs with the library, and totally not a subtle nudge by the Amazon-owned website to buy those books the site is recommending (and linking to the Amazon listing for) in order to hit said reading goals. The goal is specifically for books completed, meaning a book that you give on up at the 3/4 point doesn't help you hit your quota. No real problem aside from a tangible, online reminder of how you've effectively failed a New Year's resolution, although the site does have forums, the ability to add other users as friends, and the ability for those friends to see that you've failed your New Year's resolution.
‘Just gonna keep edging for 500 more pages’
Bro got eyelashes like Néstor Carbonell
This is very realistic. When I talk to my actual father it is entirely in the form of exposition.
I think plot twists are best when they're only plot twists in the eyes of the characters.
Can you give me an example of that?
I somewhat disagree. I think the best plot twists make you go, "Should've seen that coming!"
Ditto resolutions to mystery stories. Like a good chess problem, all the pieces should be clearly visible, but the moves should be novel.
Plot twist: he is not the son and the dad is a ghost that can soot mental breakdown rays
I wish I lived in this reality where the author showed up to antagonize me as I read the book
The plot twist is that the protagonist is Ableyon's father, who time-traveled as a result of an accident - the same accident that set the seeds for the fall of the kingdom.
Yep, definitely have seen these obvious plot twists in so many fictional media lol. I’m so at the point where I’m impressed if I can’t see the plot twist coming.