👍👍👍 .. nice comparison. I'm not in the market for another gas stove, but interesting to watch. Soto makes good products. Gas for me, is during the warmer months and I'm still quite happy with my 'Camping Gaz Bluet 206' Gas Stove which I have had since the 70's. The Gas Canisters are still available at my local Supermarket and compared to the other, later 'screw-on models, cheaper at cost/g of gas. Alcohol / Gel (Trangia and a host of 'home grown' burners) are my fuels of choice followed by White Gas / Coleman-Optimus Fuel / Benzine. The latter fuels an Optimus 8R Hunter Stove, also purchased in the 70's and still in regular use .. especially in the real cold. A good share .. thanks. Take care ..
Brilliant, you seem like another stove dinosaur like me. Watch my first soto stormbreaker one to see my much loved vintage primus. Thanks for sharing. Dave
Nice review with great details! I like the idea of these stoves, but I'm 70, lazy, cheap, and only good for 3 pints.. I have a Svea123 I purchased in 1973 that I still use in the winter. Fires up and happily chugs away every time. A bit heavy, but absolutely dependable (as long as I protect it from the wind 😁)
Fuel efficiency is more important than the time it takes to boil. My stove, however, is the Soto Windmaster instead of the 3 stove you are using in this video. If I didn't already have the Windmaster, I want the Soto Fusion Trek simply because the stove & pot wouldn't be as tall & probably less prone to being accidentally knocked over. In my mind the Soto Pressure regulator is better than all other copy-cat regulators. Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada U.S.A.
@@Fellmandave1 Thanks to the G-Works Lindal fuel transfer part,;I always start out with a full 4oz fuel canister, never a partially filled canister. I've never run out of fuel & don't want to ever experience that surprise.
What remote canister stoves would you suggest for all season use with the cheap 100% butane canisters that are sold everywhere in multipacks? In the areas I plan to use the stove the winters are fairly mild tbh with the coldest part of the coldest morning of the whole yr getting down to -2 C at the extreme, and lunch and dinner time temps being in the high single digits to low double digits. However most early winter mornings the temps are usually no lower than 5 C. Will something like the Firemaple Polaris or Soto fusion do the job? Or will burning liquid inverted with a stove with pre-heat tube like the Soto storm breaker/Firemaple blade 2 titanium/MSR Whisperlite Universal etc be essential in real world use? I don’t mind keeping a hand on the canister while the water boils for an early morning ‘crack of dawn’ coffee etc but if it still performs badly at just over the 0.5 C boil point of the butane then am I forced to use either an inverted liquid feed preheat tube stove or another secondary option like an alcohol stove as an early morning backup? 100% butane is cheap and extremely available, and it can be used to refill the much more expensive smallest 100g isobutane canisters for ultralight summer use even with canister top stoves. Where I live isobutane canisters are the most expensive fuel sources of all, and are often sold out, so if I can get by ok on butane then that’s what I want to do as much as possible. Thanks for any suggestions
I would not recommend butane as you describe for low temperatures at all. The stove types tend to be 'picnic'. the fusion trek was the best gas performer. Get the right gas and right tove for the season, then yes , butane only refilling for the summer! Thanks for the comment and ATB.
Hi Dave , Just came across this you maybe interested in the RidgeMonkey EcoPower USB Heated Gas Canister Fishing Cover From Angling Direct ! Enjoyed the Vid , the Soto Fusion looked Impressive !
Good to see someone who enjoys their SOTO stoves. I have most of the SOTO stoves and they are all excellent. I’m surprised at the performance of the Stormbreaker with gas ( I use Coleman extreme gas in low temperatures which is 60/40 so has more propane than most gas canisters) I have used mine in cold temperatures but not as low as when you did your testing. I hadn’t realised there a frying pan for the Navigator set, will try and get me one of those.
Great review David. I've been thinking about buying the Soto Fusion for some time. This review has confirmed it's the stove for me, so I'll be buying one. Thank you.
Thanks for the test. I still don't really understand why the Fusion Trek works better with cold canister compared to the Polaris, since they are both limited by the vapor pressure 🤔
I have though about this a lot and other than the valve workings and the brass on the stove, I think the ost likely explanation is that the Polaris was quite gas hungry, resulting in faster can cooling. I will redo it in warmer temps I think.
@@Fellmandave1I would love to see winter performance test between Fusion Trek and the Blade 2. I do snow camping and have been considering a remote stove, but cannot decide between these two models 😅
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👍👍👍 .. nice comparison.
I'm not in the market for another gas stove, but interesting to watch. Soto makes good products.
Gas for me, is during the warmer months and I'm still quite happy with my 'Camping Gaz Bluet 206' Gas Stove which I have had since the 70's. The Gas Canisters are still available at my local Supermarket and compared to the other, later 'screw-on models, cheaper at cost/g of gas.
Alcohol / Gel (Trangia and a host of 'home grown' burners) are my fuels of choice followed by White Gas / Coleman-Optimus Fuel / Benzine. The latter fuels an Optimus 8R Hunter Stove, also purchased in the 70's and still in regular use .. especially in the real cold.
A good share .. thanks. Take care ..
Brilliant, you seem like another stove dinosaur like me. Watch my first soto stormbreaker one to see my much loved vintage primus.
Thanks for sharing. Dave
@@Fellmandave1👍 .. will do, thanks.
Nice review with great details! I like the idea of these stoves, but I'm 70, lazy, cheap, and only good for 3 pints.. I have a Svea123 I purchased in 1973 that I still use in the winter. Fires up and happily chugs away every time. A bit heavy, but absolutely dependable (as long as I protect it from the wind 😁)
Keep wanting to try the Svea. Thanks for commenting, but 3 pints! I'd be under the table!
@@Fellmandave1 I said I was good for 3 pints, I didn't say HOW good!
a good review mate!
Cheers!
Fuel efficiency is more important than the time it takes to boil.
My stove, however, is the Soto Windmaster instead of the 3 stove you are using in this video.
If I didn't already have the Windmaster, I want the Soto Fusion Trek simply because the stove & pot wouldn't be as tall & probably less prone to being accidentally knocked over.
In my mind the Soto Pressure regulator is better than all other copy-cat regulators.
Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada U.S.A.
Thanks for sharing, I have the windmaster too, but steering towards the Fire maple polaris canister top- more testing to be done!
@@Fellmandave1 Thanks to the G-Works Lindal fuel transfer part,;I always start out with a full 4oz fuel canister, never a partially filled canister. I've never run out of fuel & don't want to ever experience that surprise.
I Have three SOTO stoves. The Fusion Trek and Amicus get the most use. Great gear !
Totally agreed Perry. The trek is now my 'go-to', if a little bulky.
If its very cold, get a Coleman 533 or 442 gasoline stoves
It's very bulky and heavy, though, Christopher. It's been proven over the years, though.
Can you test this at minus 20 Celsius
Doesn't get that cold here!
C'mon the Soto! Mine was great on summit camp last weekend despite the frigid temps 😊
Thanks Andrew! Shouldn't you be working?
What remote canister stoves would you suggest for all season use with the cheap 100% butane canisters that are sold everywhere in multipacks?
In the areas I plan to use the stove the winters are fairly mild tbh with the coldest part of the coldest morning of the whole yr getting down to -2 C at the extreme, and lunch and dinner time temps being in the high single digits to low double digits. However most early winter mornings the temps are usually no lower than 5 C.
Will something like the Firemaple Polaris or Soto fusion do the job? Or will burning liquid inverted with a stove with pre-heat tube like the Soto storm breaker/Firemaple blade 2 titanium/MSR Whisperlite Universal etc be essential in real world use?
I don’t mind keeping a hand on the canister while the water boils for an early morning ‘crack of dawn’ coffee etc but if it still performs badly at just over the 0.5 C boil point of the butane then am I forced to use either an inverted liquid feed preheat tube stove or another secondary option like an alcohol stove as an early morning backup?
100% butane is cheap and extremely available, and it can be used to refill the much more expensive smallest 100g isobutane canisters for ultralight summer use even with canister top stoves.
Where I live isobutane canisters are the most expensive fuel sources of all, and are often sold out, so if I can get by ok on butane then that’s what I want to do as much as possible.
Thanks for any suggestions
I would not recommend butane as you describe for low temperatures at all. The stove types tend to be 'picnic'.
the fusion trek was the best gas performer. Get the right gas and right tove for the season, then yes , butane only refilling for the summer! Thanks for the comment and ATB.
Hi Dave , Just came across this you maybe interested in the RidgeMonkey EcoPower USB Heated Gas Canister Fishing Cover From Angling Direct ! Enjoyed the Vid , the Soto Fusion looked Impressive !
I will check it out cheers.
does the Fusion Trek allow for inverting the gas canister?
No my friend
Aren't you supposed to put StormBreaker's gas can upside down for the best efficiency?
Yes, I do that.
Good to see someone who enjoys their SOTO stoves. I have most of the SOTO stoves and they are all excellent. I’m surprised at the performance of the Stormbreaker with gas ( I use Coleman extreme gas in low temperatures which is 60/40 so has more propane than most gas canisters) I have used mine in cold temperatures but not as low as when you did your testing.
I hadn’t realised there a frying pan for the Navigator set, will try and get me one of those.
Thanks for sharing, I should rerun this with a better gas.
I wonder if it's possble fit a Stormbreaker into a Trangia base with a few mods to the burner.
Highly unlikely Ernie
Great review David. I've been thinking about buying the Soto Fusion for some time. This review has confirmed it's the stove for me, so I'll be buying one. Thank you.
Great choice David, you were right from the outset. You can bring yours on our next camp, along with the pans AND OIL! Ha! 😆
did you ever watch daveswildcamping i always remember his wisperlite stove roaring away like a inferno
Yes, I have one. Whisperlite is a bit of a misnomer!
Great video. Hope you've warmed up now:-)
Cheers Lloyd. No wind so not too bad! Thanks for watching.
Great analysis, great video. Thanks for going to the effort of putting it together 👌
Appreciate the comment my friend.
Thanks for the test. I still don't really understand why the Fusion Trek works better with cold canister compared to the Polaris, since they are both limited by the vapor pressure 🤔
I have though about this a lot and other than the valve workings and the brass on the stove, I think the ost likely explanation is that the Polaris was quite gas hungry, resulting in faster can cooling. I will redo it in warmer temps I think.
@@Fellmandave1I would love to see winter performance test between Fusion Trek and the Blade 2. I do snow camping and have been considering a remote stove, but cannot decide between these two models 😅
@@tanvach Hi Tan , did you see my fire maple shoot out. The blade 2 would not be as good in the wind.
Usual quality mate 👌 ... Mick
Cheers buddy.
Preheat chube!
Preheat the chubby!
Top job Bob ❤
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