To all those people who dream of throwing a nasty part into a vapor blaster and get a wonderful new part out ..... get back into reallity. I am vapor blasting for a year now and my conclusion for optimum results is. 1) clean and degrease parts first because your cabinet will look like sh...t after blasting one grease part. 2) I dry blast all parts after degreasing with fine crushed glass or aluminium oxyde for a rust and other corrosion removal and an even finish. 3) now I vapor blast the parts with beads and now you get a great even and shiny surface. Using different metals the outcome varies widely, like cast iron needs step 2 to get any useable results. With aluminium sometimes you can skip step 2 but some testing before is always good idea. If they tell you anything else it is a sales pitch from Vapor Honing. Trust me they degrease and prep the parts too before they demonstrate their wonder machines. If you follow steps 1-3 you will get great results. I never want to be without my different blasters but I still use dry blasting 80% and wet blasting only 20% of the time. Greetings Bernhard
I totally agree! Luckily for use being a motorcycle shop I only blast aluminum and we full clean everything first but I am working on setting up a dry blasting unit for engine cases and hubs. Definitely looking forward to upgrading my gun.
I have a big vapor blaster cabinet but bought only a smaller (harbour freight type) cabinet and did some of the upgrades I found at different UA-cam channels. The Tacoma guns (which all my boxes currently have) are an improvement in working speed but no change in the quality of the surface. As Jeffrey Pitchford in one of your comments writes the Arnold gun appears good but it is very expensive too. I saw the biggest change in working speed going from Wet blasting only to the dry/wet blast combo. Ok, first a short caveat: I love very fine aluminium oxide, I say again very fine. It is the most aggressive (and 3x the price of fine crushed glass) stuff but as „very fine“ and starting at a lower pressure any corrosion is gone in seconds, yes really in seconds, even the white or black stuff that you get as „aluminium corrosion“. BUT the nozzle is also slowly disappearing with it. Alternatively crushed glass is producing the same results (just a little bit slower) at a much lower media cost, a bit less aggressive but still very good and not destroying the blast nozzle. Any dry blasting „scratches“ the surface a bit but with very fine media and lower pressure it is no problem for the wet blaster to smooth the surface and shines it up very fast (with any gun). What I don’t do any more is mix media. You trade speed for surface quality or vice versa. It will take a lot of experimenting with the mix but will never produce perfect results while the 2 step dry/wet is simple, fast and predictable results every time. In the Arnold videos he uses wet/wet 2step with one crushed glass and the other loaded with beads but dry blasting with crushed media is much faster and not nearly as complicated as wet blasting. One last thing, put the dry cabinet into another room since even the best sealed cabinet will leave some dust behind. Also I did put a dust separator ahead of the vacuum because the vacuum get clogged up very fast and those (even the cheap chinese copies) remove most particles ahead of the filter. In case you have questions or want photos of my solution contact me at bernhardlist@hotmail.com For best restoration results in 2021, greetings Bernhard
Vapor blasting is all about CFM and PSI. You can crank them to the moon to 60-100 CFM and clean parts in absolutely no time at all. You will be spending atleast $10,000 on compressors that are able to be ran constantly without premature wear or overheating to achieve those kinds of CFM.
Congratulations this must be your first day on UA-cam! There’s this crazy thing called channels and people subscribe to them because they enjoy regular updates. Thanks for watching I’ll spend the money wisely lol
I have My own build cabin, would have done that peice in 15 minutes. Wet blast for 20h + every week, No problem so i dont really beleive all information in the video.
Hahahaa what motivation do I have for lying? Also what gun are you running? Everything I’ve heard is the gun makes all the difference in the world and with the stock Vapor Honing Technologies gun everything takes a long time.
To all those people who dream of throwing a nasty part into a vapor blaster and get a wonderful new part out ..... get back into reallity.
I am vapor blasting for a year now and my conclusion for optimum results is.
1) clean and degrease parts first because your cabinet will look like sh...t after blasting one grease part.
2) I dry blast all parts after degreasing with fine crushed glass or aluminium oxyde for a rust and other corrosion removal and an even finish.
3) now I vapor blast the parts with beads and now you get a great even and shiny surface.
Using different metals the outcome varies widely, like cast iron needs step 2 to get any useable results. With aluminium sometimes you can skip step 2 but some testing before is always good idea.
If they tell you anything else it is a sales pitch from Vapor Honing. Trust me they degrease and prep the parts too before they demonstrate their wonder machines. If you follow steps 1-3 you will get great results. I never want to be without my different blasters but I still use dry blasting 80% and wet blasting only 20% of the time.
Greetings Bernhard
I totally agree! Luckily for use being a motorcycle shop I only blast aluminum and we full clean everything first but I am working on setting up a dry blasting unit for engine cases and hubs. Definitely looking forward to upgrading my gun.
I have a big vapor blaster cabinet but bought only a smaller (harbour freight type) cabinet and did some of the upgrades I found at different UA-cam channels. The Tacoma guns (which all my boxes currently have) are an improvement in working speed but no change in the quality of the surface. As Jeffrey Pitchford in one of your comments writes the Arnold gun appears good but it is very expensive too. I saw the biggest change in working speed going from Wet blasting only to the dry/wet blast combo.
Ok, first a short caveat: I love very fine aluminium oxide, I say again very fine. It is the most aggressive (and 3x the price of fine crushed glass) stuff but as „very fine“ and starting at a lower pressure any corrosion is gone in seconds, yes really in seconds, even the white or black stuff that you get as „aluminium corrosion“.
BUT the nozzle is also slowly disappearing with it.
Alternatively crushed glass is producing the same results (just a little bit slower) at a much lower media cost, a bit less aggressive but still very good and not destroying the blast nozzle.
Any dry blasting „scratches“ the surface a bit but with very fine media and lower pressure it is no problem for the wet blaster to smooth the surface and shines it up very fast (with any gun).
What I don’t do any more is mix media. You trade speed for surface quality or vice versa. It will take a lot of experimenting with the mix but will never produce perfect results while the 2 step dry/wet is simple, fast and predictable results every time.
In the Arnold videos he uses wet/wet 2step with one crushed glass and the other loaded with beads but dry blasting with crushed media is much faster and not nearly as complicated as wet blasting.
One last thing, put the dry cabinet into another room since even the best sealed cabinet will leave some dust behind.
Also I did put a dust separator ahead of the vacuum because the vacuum get clogged up very fast and those (even the cheap chinese copies) remove most particles ahead of the filter.
In case you have questions or want photos of my solution contact me at bernhardlist@hotmail.com
For best restoration results in 2021, greetings Bernhard
I’m so proud of all you’ve accomplished.
i was thinking of getting one of these for my small garage, but also because where i live has alot of industry, oil & gas, petrochemical, marine, etc.
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I'm trying to sell used motorcycle parts and think this would be a great to add value to my parts!!
60 gallon compressor is noting , 80 and up , 20cfm and up , I seen parts getting cleaned in 5 min .
The manufacturer actually recommends a 60 gallon over an 80 gallon tank and obviously the more CFM the better.
its a cfm game at the end of the day the more the better , @@MasonGeorgeMotorcycles
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Cool stuff. I really enjoy nice tools.
Great video.
Over an hour for that piece??? Holy shizzzzzzo
Can be cut down to half the time
Vapor blasting is all about CFM and PSI. You can crank them to the moon to 60-100 CFM and clean parts in absolutely no time at all. You will be spending atleast $10,000 on compressors that are able to be ran constantly without premature wear or overheating to achieve those kinds of CFM.
Does it just do aluminum?
what the pump is incide?
Why is the wiper always running?
The wiper has multiple settings and runs if you have the machine on, but when the machines off it doesn’t run.
@@MasonGeorgeMotorcycles Was curious because my machine only sprays water and wipers when blasting.
99% of the video - Personal information. 1% - review of the actual equipment. Great stuff champ.
Congratulations this must be your first day on UA-cam! There’s this crazy thing called channels and people subscribe to them because they enjoy regular updates. Thanks for watching I’ll spend the money wisely lol
@@MasonGeorgeMotorcycles First and last time. Keep up the great work. Hahahahahahaha
Does it do dead holes?
if you can see it you can blast it!
I have My own build cabin, would have done that peice in 15 minutes. Wet blast for 20h + every week, No problem so i dont really beleive all information in the video.
Hahahaa what motivation do I have for lying? Also what gun are you running? Everything I’ve heard is the gun makes all the difference in the world and with the stock Vapor Honing Technologies gun everything takes a long time.
@@MasonGeorgeMotorcycles Change the pump to the Tsurumi and change the 2 mixing tubes
Brad Arnold makes a gun that I like better then the Tacoma company I have videos on my page Jeffrey Pitchford