Stihl ms400c-m R vs 500i R - Who's Throwing SHADE now!!!
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- Опубліковано 3 тра 2022
- Filmed in April, 2022.
This is Phase #4 in the testing saga. But, it is Phase #3 in the 400's build sequence regarding what I've altered. Phase 1 worked pretty "goodly". Phase 2 was a little better. Phase 3 is seen here.
As stated, working on some alternate air filter options. I went through a filter test session previously.
Also, the 400 oiler is slated for an upgrade as it lacking in the output volume. This saw would spin the 32" chain a bit better had the oiler pumped better. Stihl lw 32" bar. Wrap kit from a 362.
Miscued on the chain catcher pin line-up...
Sure wish someone out there "wooda" pointed that out and saved me from total embarrassment!!!
The 400 is in Psy-Ko S trim zippkit wise. The 500i is stock.
Taking a peak at the displacement numbers:
ms400c-m R is 66.8cc
Ms500i R is 79.2cc.
Viewing the bore & stroke numbers:
ms400c-m R is 50mm x 34mm.
ms500i R is 54mm x 34.6mm.
Factory claimed HP numbers:
Ms400c-m R is 5.4 bhp.
Ms500i R is 6.8 bhp.
Looking at the timed runs:
Stihl ms400c-m R @ 13,980 went 13.64 down and 13.63 up.
Stihl ms500i R @ 13,320 went 14.9 down and 14.21 up.
400 @14,040 went 15.53 down and 16.32 up.
400 @ 14,040 went 15.23 down, 14.63 down and 15.71 up.
It is more than crystal clear that the "Little Turkey" had the worst of it in the knot section. Held it's own and did some winning.
I'm sure well pleased at how the 400 has turned out to this juncture. Next on the list is a 661. I'm hopeful that God will be smiling on me there and the 400 will run with, or maybe a little better than the 661.
At the time of your viewing this, I may, or may not, be immediately available for custom saw modifications. I am booked out several months regularly. If you are interested in having a saw zipped, please shoot me an email. That is the best, first point of contact. danger_cat@rocketmail.com Thanks for watching.
Hello. Some of the technical numbers as well as the timed runs comparison are in the description. Please have a gander. Thanks for watching. - Розваги
Hello.
Some of the technical numbers as well as the timed runs comparison are in the description.
Please have a gander.
Thanks for watching.
Same thing happened to me yesterday. Running power equipment, especially saws, seems to be contagious.
Great combo on ur 400 builds sir!!! Strong!! Sounds great to!
Very nice video sir, thanks for sharing!
My Ported 400c is my daily worksaw. That saw has nothing but reliable. I’ve had just over a year now in full time work scenario. Plus the saw just flat out rips!
I'm late to "the know" on neart about everything so this is the first I've watched about the 400 and dang does Little Turkey ever hold its ground! Damn fine work Jacky-san!!!
Nice works👍🏻👍🏻💪🏻
I’d love to see more on the 400c
THAT'S IT! I'm upgrading the intake on my 440 cm!
batmanmiss hi. A little more than an intake upgrade here, lol.
Best of luck!
Thanks for watching.
I like the air filter mod u have on the 400
Love the channel way to letm rip💪
From in Indonesia watching guys
I love my Sthil ms 400c R handle
Great presentation.....some of the other fallers been purchasing 500i....I'm still a holdout been using a couple 461's and a Husqvarna 390.....still sitting on the fence see how their longevity is...thank you again.Shoe in SW Oregon.
Robert hi.
If you want to talk older faller to older faller:
Don't get to far from camp when running a 5ooi. TOTAL fuel hogg. MAYBE 25 mins in 4 40 type wood.
Exasperated once zipped also.
I can get more grunt out of a 461. No primer bulb to go bad in the bottom of a yarder block some cold morning.
Have to beef up the mounts (my system) to run a long bar unless you want the powerhead flopping around like a salmon on the deck.
Tree work, by all means have 3.
Guess it would depend upon the application. I can get the 390s to cut well. But they are a lot more weight. A little better balance with a long bar though.
If your not the tear up an anvil type faller the 5ooi will do just fine - back the previously mentioned spring mount (again, my version) system upgrade.
If you are in need of a lighter powerhead, the 5ooi is super in that department.
The 461s, "properly did" are probably the best option (past) if a guy could only afford one saw.
Thanks for watching.
Don't see what longevity issues the 500i could have. Are you talking about the injection system? Stihl's TS 500i concrete cutter came out 10 years ago, lived through dust and water exposure from coolant constantly, and the electronics on them have proven to hold up over that time.
@@hotsaws101 Thank you for the detailed insight on the 500i....Happy Mother's Days!!!💐
I have not experienced this horrific fuel consumption people talk about. Running a 36" bar on the 500 is no worse on fuel then any other saw in my fleet.
@@em4703 I never said anything about longevity issues. I did say, however, that the primer bulb is going to fail at some point. They are required for starting.
It will be when a guy is in the bottom of a yarder block. It will be 1st thing in the morning after sitting out on a cold night.
Because that is the way it goes with those types of mechanical failures.
Thanks for watching.
Mr. Jack, this looks like a prime candidate for the 461r oiler or internals. Nice gains, excellent session sir....
Brian hi. This was R&D. I'm running it in stock form with some different bar lengths to get an idea on how well the original version handles a longer bar. I did go against a 562 as a comparison.
So yes, going with the .8 stroke length option 1st.
This saw will only see a 30" bar as the max length daily driver. Doubt if the 1.1 will be necessary.
Thanks, Seen here "handling" the Stihl® Golden Boy 5ooi.
Thanks for watching.
@@hotsaws101 Mr. Jack, not to segway or beat a dead horse, so there are three pump pistons that fit this pump, I only know of two control bolts, is that correct? Thank you again sir...
@@Brian2bears sounds about right.
For the price and weight difference I'd take the 400 all day long. I'm a husky guy but picked up a new 400 few wks back and really like it so far. Jst muffler mod for now
Depends what you cut, if you're running a 32-36" bar cutting hardwoods, a stock 400 won't handle it. A stock 500i will. You can argue that with the difference in price you can port the 400 and get it to cut like a 500i, like the one in this video, but I don't think it balances good or oils well such long bars.
They both make awesome saws. For the $ , where I live atleast, you can get a 55cc Stihl a bit cheaper than a husky. And I'm not impressed with huskys you get at Lowe's anymore. Got first 55 there 20 years ago. Was an awesome saw. The new ones , not so much. Go to a Stihl dealer and get a better saw for cheaper than you can get a husky at big box stores.
For 1.4 hp less that 400 is SMOKIN. Wow man great job. 13900 😳
The work you did on this 400 has certainly brought alot out of it. Stock they are not impressive. I would like to try one ported. If I may add you put the stock 500i in it's true perspective with this video as well. It's great to see the potential with these new saws when built properly, I just smile when folks say they are a powerhouse stock and there is no need to port them. Curious on your thoughts of this 400 vs one of your built 462s if a new logger could only buy one new saw and have it built. Looking forward to seeing you fell some timber with the 400.
230 hi.
Stock: They gobble up everything else in the "60" cc class range while tipping the scales at 2nd to the lightest.
You gave me no parameters to consider - intended use, bar length, wood density, or a cost factor.
Where the 5ooi & 661 are stock:
The 400 runs a bit better than a 5ooi.
The 462, massaged to the same level, runs better than a 661.
I cannot speak for what other tuners are, or are not able to achieve.
Thanks for watching.
@@hotsaws101 24-28" stihl es-light bars felling hardwoods (oak, cherry, hard maple, ash) I am hesitant to suggest a price range, I feel the cost of a well built saw by a reputable builder is money well spent. I recently let a friend run my ported ms361r with a high output oiler wearing a 28" stihl es-light bar, full skip with square grind. He runs a stock 572xp with a 24" bar mostly, he was thoroughly impressed with the power /weight and wanted to know what saw he could get new and have built similar to my 361. Based on my experience with the 462 and 500i and the fact he likes the auto-tune I suggested a ported 462c. Seeing the gains you made with this 400 has me thinking as it is light and good on fuel. I have yet to tear a 400 apart, what are your thoughts on the durability of the 400 vs a new 462? My dealer has voiced concerns over the 400 in that regard (piston of course) but they have been out a year now and the only issue I have seen as you did is the oiler output. I value experience over opinion which is harder to find on such a new model saw.
Real nice work! I'm "well pleased" with my 462 right now, but that 400 sure looks nice. What percentage gains do you feel you've achieved? I.e. were I to buy one and keep it stock does it hang with the 462 or not so much?
Stick with the 462, after you buy an oil pump for the 400 you are close to 462 money.
@@ricksanchez7459 Mr. Rick, the high-output oil pump internals, control bolt and pump piston, if available/obtainable cost +-$40.
@@ricksanchez7459 Roger that. Thanks.
@@ricksanchez7459 the 462 needs oil pump swap also
wednesdar hi.
Factory rated at 5.4hp and not even close to running with a 5ooi in stock form. The 400 runs a little bit behind a 462 stock for stock. Here we see the 400 besting the 5ooi and posting the same times, in essence, while getting the worst of it in the knot section.
So, the 400 went from 5.4 to at least 6.8.
Seems like most of the M-Tronic saws are getting hard to source due to a wiring harness shortage. You can thank your buddies at the Kremlin for that one.
Wars, and rumors of wars the Good Book warns us of in the end times...
Thanks for watching.
Hey Jack , it looks like the wood is really hard or that chain needs some love
Larry hi. I thought that it was mentioned in the session. "Musta only thunk it"... The chain was used for part of a day in a felling application. I had nailed something and knocked the edge off the 1st. loop that day.
I was curious to see how the saw performed with a slightly dull chain. I knew the 5ooi would do alright. The ? was whether the 400 would step up,,, or not.
Seen here "handling" a 5ooi.
Thanks for watching.
@@hotsaws101 you probably did and I had a brain fart 😁
I have an MS400 now for 6 months,and it is a lightweight, easy to operate chainsaw.I don't understand why the 362 has not been retired yet.
JQ hi. The price differential is one aspect I can point to straight away. Cost to replace the topend is another. Don't blow yours. It's ~ 410 for a new cylinder assembly.
Thanks for watching.
@@hotsaws101 I blew my ported 400 after 4 months of full time cutting, but admittedly it is my fault.
Interesting information on the Oregon depth gage. So is the 400 available as shown our did you outfit it with the full wrap/clutch cover/dogs? Excellent session sir...Ahhh, found the answer in the description, read the description....note to self...
The 362 kit fits.
@@Justinbpierson Yes sir, I knew you had confirmed it, I just wandered if Mr. Jack received this unit like this or if he outfitted it himself. We all have talked about the crankcases being almost exact. I had an official source tell me that wasn't the "case" it is all new. That might not be so....
I have got two of the 400s and one of them I installed a full wrapped handle kit 1140 007 1012 this is the stihl part number for this kit you’ll be surprise what consist of these kit
@@ericwyke155 Yes sir Mr. Eric, I have knowledge of the kit. A good value if compared to the components separately....
@@AxeInTheKerf If you got the 400 they need to be hooked up to the stihl software and the altitude needs to be put on 3200 feet above sea level you can tell the difference. I run a bark box they work good me and a stihl tech found it all of this above
Will you make me a 400 like this?
Will you make me a 400c hot saw please
Throwing Shade ?
I think that is has a few connotations:
Making someone look bad. Casting aspersions. Talking smack (about). Back stabbing. Or just generally running the other person down.
Which are all kind of related.
Thanks for watching.
@@hotsaws101 hahaha, I thought it referred to throwing so many big wood chips, it caused a large amount of shade...
The 500 as is has it over the 400 but it’s not a whole heap of beans. After the filter swap though, I’d say the 400 a place ahead of the 500.
Put a bar over 25" on both and burry it in hardwood, then you'll see the difference. 400 isn't even close unless you're cutting twigs or softwood. What you're saying is no different than ppl putting a 25" bar on a 661 and 880/881 then crying how slow the 880/881 is.
Dc hi. The description has the results. The 400 definitely had the worst of it overall in the knots in run 3 & 4. Ran about the same. Posted a better time initially but had a little easer go of it. Thanks for watching.
@@em4703 This 400 is not stock...
Might be a little different here. Running a 30" bar & chain. The absolute longest I'd try to fell timber with while using a 400. Some out there will run a 28" on a 661. I've heard of guys back East with 24"ers on 660s & 661s. So, About as even as I could get and also not favoring the 400.
One thing that gets missed - the longer the bar the more the parasitic drag the chain exercises on the bar (inner rails as well as the top of the rails.) while also the more weight the saw has to try and spin. There are more teeth and more chain straps dragging in the kerf also.
Thanks for watching.
@@hotsaws101 - Thank you for sharing your time, experience & expertise.
You say that the 400 is not stock, but you don't describe the mods other than saying some "psycho-s" bs....
So not really a helpful nor representative video ~
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Leonardo hi.
I do appreciate your enthusiasm.
But, this is a English speaking channel - no comprendé Español.
My dialect would be nice.
Thanks for watching.
No good!!! No safety gear. Bad!!!!!!!
Michelle hi.
Ummmmm, I started felling timber before everyone was safety geared into submission.
In other words, before chain breaks, chaps, Kevlar gloves, safety chain (that doesn't cut as well), safety glasses, etc., etc. were commonplace.
Back then, a faller had to actually rely on their brainpower and/or thought process to keep themselves safe.
I.E. you had to PAY ATTENTION.
So, I am actually equipped properly...
Thanks for watching.
@@hotsaws101 LOL! awesome reply, God given safety equipment is already attached - just have to use it! Many don't, makes the lawyers rich though!