Stihl® Motor Saw 462 vs. 461 vs. 500i All Stock Comparison
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- Опубліковано 5 лис 2020
- Filmed in March of 2020, not long after the “unboxing” session that we saw in an earlier video.
As I mentioned, only started the 500i a few times at this point. Minimal saw testing also. Had not seen the IPL yet either. So, the guess on the bore was calculated. Based on what I knew of the 462 in essence. Ended up getting lucky there in a way.
Stihl motor saw 500i is the world’s first “electronically” fuel injected saw but not the world’s first fuel injected saw. That was Jonsered back in the ‘50s.
Bore is the 54mm stated. Stroke has to be, according to the math, a miniscule 34.6mm for the 500i if the factory published displacement is truly 79.2(4)cc. I initially thought it came in at 34mm even.
North American version is claimed to have 6.7 hp. Not the 6.8 as seen in the European saw. Ironically it is the same as a Husqvarna 2100. Just for kicks, put a 42”er on both and see the differential in the timed runs. Because, HP rating isn’t everything…
The 462 comes in at 72.20cc. 52mm bore by 34mm stroke.
The 461 also has a 52mm bore. It has a longer stroke, at 36mm. This would be responsible for the ability to add extra pressure to the handle bars without losing much in the way of time. Displacement is 76.45cc which also helps a little in the lowend department.
I had guessed, based on the ~ 80cc displacement number that was circulating in the beginning of the year, that the 462 was giving up 8cc. Turns out it is 7cc.
The weights are a funny thing. Factory numbers are always lighter than anything I can ever get. There is a .9 pound differential between the 462 and 500i based on what is published. 13.0 vs 13.9 respectively. The “old school” 461 comes in at 14.8. All numbers are for the ½ wrap version saw since that is how the 500i arrived.
Looking at the "West Coast" version, or warp handle configured saws we see 13.9lbs., 14.8lbs., and 15.7lbs. for the 462, 500i and 461 respectively.
Looking at the high idle and run numbers:
motor saw 462 h.i. at 13,380 went 12.50 down running 10,300 and 11.70 up at 10,200.
motor saw 461 h.i. at 13,560 went 12.67 down showing 11,520 and 12.67 up at 10.320.
motor saw 500i h.i. at 13,470 went 10.17 down running 11,520 and 9.40 up at 10,320.
Caveat - we checked the 500i high idle off camera during the warm up session.
In the end, the 500i is a couple of seconds faster than either “sibling”. Let us hope so, as it comes in quite a bit more in displacement than either of the “little kids”. Weight has the 500i in the middle. The 500i has good potential for modding as does the 461. The 462, well, it comes around pretty nicely.
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Hello. There are a couple of nuggets in the description. I recommend checking that section. Thanks for watching.
Very detailed explanation, extremely useful! Happy with my 462, the 500i was substantially more expensive at the time of buying.
The description was pretty informative, thanks for that! It’s always neat to see how fast these things are running. I personally have an ms361 that i love dearly and have been fixing up, so watching and listening to the saw community on here has been very helpful
Great video and great timing. Trying to decide between the three saws and couldn’t have asked for a better comparison. Thanks for taking the time to do it
Thanks for the awesome video jack! Just in bed and can't sleep and figured it cheak the you tube and my favorite saw channel uploaded!! Have a good one
Aerodynamic to move through the woods faster. 🤣 that made my week.👌
Thank you so much Jack! Your the best source anyone could ever ask for. And thank you to the lovely bride as well!
A 461 with a 25” is my favorite out of the box stihl, that and it was the last fully mechanical big 4 series. It’s a weapon that can be run all day instead of just an hour or so before you tire out
Amen to that brother. I have the same set-up and cut nothing but hardwood / firewood every year September through April. She never lets me down.
I run a 25 on my 661 most of the time...
My 461 is woods ported... is on right now, 462 ported also is waiting in the line up... my old 460 is waiting in the dug out... ported with new rings and new carb... hard to choose.... have to say the 462 is nice to sling all day long.. less re fueling also, otherwise 461 is one monster torque machine for its weight
Great information in the description. Thanks for the great comparison.
Man that third arm is something else.
Dedication.
She must do the books!
Nothing is like the 461! That thing rips
Great video, thank you. Looking for a used 461, naturally steering away from the 462 electronics, probably great saws just thinking old school… have to admire the engineering in the 462 & 500i, great R&D in fairness.
You can get the 462 with a standard carb
Thanks for That comparison
I'll stick with my 461
I Love my 461 R 25 inch stock!
Stihl ms 462 extrem de echilibrată,6 cp,6 kg 💪💪💪👍.Foate faină clipul.🤝🤝🤝.
Merge 462
I own all 3 of those saws as well as a 660 as an 880. The 500i makes the power down low in the rpm range where all the other saws bogg. Once you learn how to use the power it'll make you not want to use your other saws.
My 500i does not like to lug or run an 8 tooth on a 25 inch bar .. Husky 572 with free flow muffler runs an 8 tooth and 24 inch bar well .. ,,500 i is lighter ,, Both are great saws ..
Great saws
Long time watcher, think first time commenter.
First, thanks for a great video! Wish you threw a stock 046 or a 460 in the mix too, if you had one in stock form that is. You don’t do you??Just cause those are the two saws I run for my needs and I’d love to see how they stack up against their newer counterparts. Course then why not an 045 as well and yata yata. Lol.
Thanks for doing what you do. You sir, are the reason I built my 046 and gave it an amateur port job when I got it for $10 at a tag sale. Now it makes me money. Thanks again.
gf8k hi.
Thanks for watching my small offeings on YT.
Finding a comparable (condition) 460 let alone 046 is a large feat. 045, hens teeth.
I have run a few 460s against 461s. A little more topend speed versus a little more lowend grunt respectively. Pretty low hour saws. All seriously tuned machines.
Thanks for watching.
I was thinking the other day about my road race bikes and the Stihl saws. My 600 Suzuki had a very short stroke like the 462 and if you didn’t keep the revs up over 12k you weren’t going any where. From 12k to 14k these short stoke 4 stroke bikes were a real hoot to ride. My Ducati’s on the other hand were torque monsters which made them huge fun like my 1098 and 999r. The Ducati’s of course had almost double the ccs so maybe a stretch to compare the two but I thought I would mention it to see what you thought. Short stroke needs high rpm to produce power just like my 600. If you bogged it no power.
Quick question I have the 462 would it be worth switching to a 404 chain instead of 3/8 ?or is the 404 only good real big saws? Sorry for all the questions
Tac hi.
.404 chain cuts a wider kerf and has noticeably more mass.
Unless you are gnawing on old growth Redwoods, running a 5 or 6 foot bar, felling second growth Redwoods during the bark swell season - which all equate to needing the wider kerf, I'd be using the .375 chain.
462s are down on lowend grunt a little even in zipped form. No since in exacerbating the 462s already lagging attribute.
Thanks for watching.
@@hotsaws101 thanks my man
Does anyone know the part number for a full-sized clutch cover for the 500i? Thanks in advance.
The 500i likes 1ounce weighing half pound more than the 462c but with a bad back it's very noticeable. For me I like both of them but I would prefer the 462c it's a fast saw all so.
Enjoy the stock saws they sounded great enjoy the tried and true 461....62 not so much...the 500i sounded and look good' but like you said more displacement...cool looking we'll see how the 500 does...thank you Shoe
Ciao volevo sapere che artigli avevi sulla 462.. sono originali della 661?? Help li vorrei anche io
On a stock 462 would you recommend bolting on a bark box style ported front cover or just cut out baffle and open the stock outlet up for a boost in exhaust performance?
Kevin barker , if you put a bark box on a stock saw, it’s gonna be more noise than anything, I ran a hopped up 661 with a bark box and it was a couple steps behind my insane-o 461 that hotsaws101 built, might as well send your saw to Jack and get more out of it,
The power to weight ratio, the deeper pull, fast acceleration, and the slimmer body, whats not to like? I'm not getting any younger and my 461 isn't either. I'd go with a 500 unless some design flaw shows up. I look forward to you weaponizing one of these to the hilt, Jack.
Bob hi.
At the risk of sounding crusty, I'm coming from a place of being realistic:
The 500i gets Really poor fuel mileage once zipped.
I can cut between 20 and 40 K on around 1 1/4 to 1.5 gallons of fuel with my torque monster 461.
Don't bother putting a heavyweight 3' bar on a 500i and work on bad, brushy ground lest you tear out the mounts. Flops around like a salmon on the deck with a lw 32" too.. In my humble opinion, DONT EVEN think about knocking the undercuts out that are slightly attached.
I can run a 50" on my 461. Nuff said there.
A guy's chain had better be spot on, both teeth angles and stop elevation, with a 500i once zipped. The A.I. running the program is Uber sensitive to the ramp up time in a modded saw as well as the upper rpm threshold and over fuels trying to keep the rpms in check as far as I can tell.
I can alter the fuel imput at any point in time that I need to in my 461.
Primer bulb. Not going to warn you it's going out tomorrow. Like when your 2/3 thousand feet down and then 4/5 hundred up the other side of some fairly dark hole. Whomever designed the primer bulb into a big kid work saw has absolutely no clue here.
I've had older style saws get "crud" in the carb in the bottom of a yarder block. Set her on a stump. Wide open throttle. Back the needles out until she almost dies. Reboot the needles and back to work.
3 weeks later I'm now at the road. Now I can deal with a carb kit, or whatever, at my leisure.
On the brite side, over 1/2 pound less than a 461, fully fueled. No arboists chucking out bigger trees should be with out one imho.
Maybe some of it is what should be considered. And with this saw, it needs to be preemptively.
I do appreciate you watching and commenting.
@@hotsaws101 Yep, we see you pull the starter and nothing... till you punch that bulb in a few. So of course your right on. Yeah, fuel and bulbs not an issue for arborist, but exactly the issue for a faller deep in the hole. Damn good insight there Jack. Thanks.
Very good info. Thanks for doing this video.
I have been very happy running my 372 but when looking at the 500i it appears that the weights are almost identical and the 500 would get me more power.
But the real question I have to ask myself... is that power worth the extra $800--$900.
I'm thinking it probably is.
I own both ,, no .. Husky is built solid ,, Just open up the muffler and they go well .. imho
Thanks for the great video! Do you have a good recommendation of a tachometer that wouldn't break the bank for tuning my 461?
John hi.
The old Husky tach made by Pulse. They work good.
Thanks for watching.
good machine
Good day, I have a couple (maybe a few) questions for ya: 1- will the 572xp run leaner if I mix gas at 40/1 or 32/1 opposed to the reg 50/1? 2- does the 572xp benefit from removing the exhaust screen and or opening up the exhaust by two 3/8 holes? These answers may make for some good content I just can’t find anywhere. Thank you, keep up the vids, I’ll be watching for there answers/ explanation or find me on Instagram if you’re shy (lol)
50:1 is less oil than 40:1 or 32:1 so it will run richer the less oil you mix. More oil in the gas will mean less gas is being burnt so leaner.
Just run 32:1 with a good quality synthetic oil and forget about it. Don't play with oil ratios, 2 strokes already run low on lubricant to begin with.
@@em4703 if they design it to run on 50:1 then that’s what the carb is jetted for. Fuel injection is a different story. A carbs jets are always the same if you ad more oil you are in turn running less fuel so now your running lean.
500i's both bore and stroke is greater than the other two so it's not surprising it's faster. I think the manufacturer did not have it in the exact displacement because the difference, if any, would be negligible and it would be harder for them to get people to move to the new system. The electronic part of it will have you as a user have no choice but to go to the shop to get it fixed. I'm comfortable with carbs as it's an easier fix so I'll take a couple of seconds slower any day instead of going in and out of shops and spend more time and money everytime there is a problem.
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500i🎵❤️
What feals better in handling or in ur hands to you the 500i vs 462
Both being Stihl saws, they are not to far off design wise.
Also, what feels better to me might not be the same for the "next guy".
The best way for you, visit the local shop, have them que up one of each with the end result bar length and "fondle" them yourself.
Best of luck.
Thanks for watching.
I have 461. Love it.
Κι εγώ το δικό μου το ίδιο...!!!
I'll stick with my 440 magnum
Have you ever tested one of the “ clone “ saws ? Holzforma farmertec ,,,, just curious,,,
Can you still buy those Oregon light bars anywhere?
It's a fluke if you find one at this juncture. It has been a couple of years since Oregon quit making lw bars with the al+³ inserts.
Thanks for watching.
500 I cost too much
buying one more saw; 462 or 500i, which one? Compliment my MS261
Tom hi.
Application?
Bar length?
Wood density?
Elevation?
Preference?
I would consider those for myself before choosing.
Thanks for watching.
I just went through the same thing. I chose a 500i not sure if it's correct but I did not want a 661 and I feel like the 500i is faster than the 461. I am running a 25 inch bar on the 500i.
Which saw would you buy
Το 461 με κλειστά τα μάτια...!!
Δοκιμασμένο στην πάροδο του χρόνου όπου έχει δείξει την αξιοπιστία του,την ανθεκτικότητα του & τη στιβαρότητα του...!!
Και με περισσότερη ροπή,αν και στους ίδιους hp με τί 462 λόγο των 5cc περισσότερο..!!
My 500i with bark box,max filter &Stihl light 32 bar semi skip chisel chain screams
What saw would you pick to run bone stock, 462 or 500i?
Rick hi.
Depends upon the application (wood density, brush load, ground contour, etc., etc.) and subsequent length of bar requirement. The 500i is going to cut better.
On a personal note,, I won't take a stocker off the landing, period.
I like the 60cc saws on steroids for a 28" bar.
If I needed to run a 30" bar probably the 462. If I needed to spoon on a 32 or 33" (110 .375) then it would be a 500i. But in reality, I'd probably go to my 460 or 461 since I'm not interested in chasing my gas can. That would be the case using a zipped 500i. The 462s get pretty good mileage in zipped form.
Caveats, always caveats in this life.
Thanks for watching.
Wonder how huskys 595xp will be....don't think nothin will beat my saw king 394 or 395. Especially hard cuttin all day
I love my 500i they like to breathe tho mod the filter plastics let more air to the filter
500i out runs my 661 in a lot of ways and the displacement difference is wider than the 461 and 500i right? Sorry I think it’s the all around best saw out there. Kind of like Mooneys when it comes to planes:) Love my 201.... Look forward to the next video. Hope it’s about your 880.
My 661c smokes the 500i every time.
Beautiful work buddy I will be email and you soon in the next couple days
Whats gauge measure ?? Thanks
D G g hi. Think that you are asking about the tachometer. It monitors the RPMs in real time.
Thanks for watching.
Yer got abit low the 500. I like em. But yer each to there own
Jesus is King
Yes sir. And so be it, (Amen)!
IMO the 500i aint the hype every one claiming its to be.
I bought a 461 because you lose power with the 462
Is best 461 stock or 462 stock ?
461. :)
461. Way more torque
TYPICAL STIHL...DOESN'T START WORTH A SHIT...LOL
462 is weak!!.....72cc is just a farm saw.......if you're doing REAL cutting, you need 90cc+
Sorry their Mr. Paul Bunnion us mere mortals can only use our baby saws.You should teach a class on how bad ass you are so us mere mortals can keep up with your bad fn ass.