Frankel - 2012 Qipco Champion Stakes - Ascot
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2012
- Watch Frankel's last ever race at Ascot in the 2012 Qipco Champion Stakes. Tom Queally and trainer Sir Henry Cecil close the final chapter with a glorious and memorable victory.
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Proud to say that I was there with my wife,children & grandchildren to see the sensational Frankel.When Queally set sail at the furlong,my eyes were moist with emotion.Can't get enough of watching the videos of Frankel.
I miss you Sir Henry,RIP and thank you.
Thanks Sir Henry for making Frankel the best.You and Frankel compliment each other....true excellence RIP Sir Henry
Absolutely
Cecil done nothing with Frankel that Gosden or Stoute or ...(insert another dozen or so names here)... couldn't have done. The horse was fantastic. Yes Henry was a "great" trainer, as would dozens of others have been, had they taken the arab shilling. You get sent the best thoroughbreds in your stable = you become a great trainer. Not rocket science, is it?
11.91 for the last furlong on heavy going is something to behold, in my opinion he would of won the Derby, he has left a legacy not only on the track but in breeding, his sons and daughters have already proved this
Thanks for agreeing with me. Nice you've finally accepted that Frankel was one of the best thoroughbreds in the history of the sport.
RIP Sir Henry. You're a legend and missed dearly.
CDA is a total BEAST in the mud and holds the track record for 1m 2f at Ascot. Frankel hated the ground and lost 3 lengths at the start, yet he still won with 2 lengths to spare and this result is looking even better after CDA beat Treve in the Prix Ganay today
So true!! :D
Better Still After Baeeds defeat in this Race Today.....
Just watched Channel 4's documentary about Sir Henry and Frankel.Sir Henry's final words : 'I would have liked him one more year because he would have been even better'.....The best of the best and he would have been better.
+Matthew Evans
Who knows, in my humble opinion, I think Sir Henry might be right. What do we know.
I loved the commentry just before Frankels turn of foot in each race, words like 'poised, finger on the button, trigger etc.', the horses character pays huge dividence to his physical capabilities,but collectively, this horse was quiet simply 'controlled chaos', utter destruction, in such an elegant manner
All comers, all grounds, all beaten! Wonderful commentary
@malcolmmccoy7229 what a closing statement to define one's career👏🏼
All comers all ground all beaten !! Great commentary
Frankel wins the champion stakes and lives up to the title
This is a direct quote taken from the book that came out about Black Caviar made by her trainer Peter Moody. Quote: "I've been around horses all of my life and I've never known one better than Black Caviar. I find judging her place in racing history hard because I'm so close to her. That's why I've always deferred to other people's opinions. What I do know is this, Black Caviar is the finest horse I've ever seen or worked with.........until I saw Frankel win on that Tuesday (Queen Anne Stakes) at Royal-Ascot." End quote, enough said!
Black Caviar was great but she was just a sprinter. Only raced between 1000 to 1400 metres. She never raced in the biggest races in Australia such as the Melbourne Cup or the Championship of Australasia aka the Cox Plate because Moody knew she had no chance of winning them. As her winning streak grew her races were handpicked to protect her record.
There are many other great champions of the Australian turf that do not have perfect records because they raced over greater range of distances and even unsuitable distances against each other because that what racing was about.
Sir Henry held on just to see the greatest horse theres even been
He was just made different to any other horse I've ever seen, his gate, his stride length, his frame. He was simply a freak in the best sense and I'd be amazed if we ever see another like him, for me it's not even an argument, when someone asks who's the greatest racehorse there's ever been, it's a simple answer - Frankel.
legend
ALL COMERS ALL GROUNDS ALL BEATEN. ... say no more
Thanks for a truely outstanding post.
The greatest for now , absolutely love this boy and i cant see any horse lowering his colours til long after im dead , what a privilege seeing this lad ! What a horse !!:
You guys who think Frankel is not a great horse are fucked in the head. Truly a horse of a lifetime and you will probably not see another like him in your lifetime that's for sure
I'm sorry but this was so impressive... 3 lengths at least given away at the start, hadn't raced on ground like this since his debut/maiden whereby he beat the multiple future Group 1 Nathaniel, again in this race, to come cantering up on Cirrus Des Aigles (who since won 4 group ones and 2 other group races)... and to be fair he would have won on the bridle to be honest!!
Paul Coulthard and he was asked to quicken TWICE!..and still had enough in the tank to break Cirrus on the final end, Cirrus was on the whip before Frankel was even shaken, that's terrifying!
frankel would likely have lost thi srace after bungling the star it only won due to its pacemaker burning out cda. at a steady pace cda would likely have madfe it very very very close after frankel blew the start
The GOAT in my opinion, doubt i will ever see any better
Well said Balmain for all our arguments on here what you have just said hits the nail on the ahead! in 50 years time people will still marvel at all these horses!
Here after they tried to compare baeed, brilliant horse but not anywhere close to the almighty Frankel. Once in a lifetime horse
Frankel the best and top class performer flat racehorse ever and ever going to be some people on here are going to disagree with my opionion but we will just have to agree to disagree
was this a Uphill Racetrack or why did he do 2:09 in 10F
I dont think anyone can disagree...they wouldnt have a leg to stand on..simply the best..never to be bettered.
Uphill and 25mph head wind.
Alright Frank?Thanks for the race card,sat on the doormat when I got back from Cala D'Or.There was no need but thanks again.I didn't realise just how deep the dirt can be on the U.S tracks,quite how heavy the surface can get.Pimlico looks a real picture but unfortunately it isn't shown on Attheraces so I'll have to convince the missus to go there one day!Keep up the good work with Balmain,great stuff!
Was at Ascot today and have to say it was absolutely brilliant all round and not just because I had three winers. The Champion Stakes was one of if not the race of the flat season for 2013 and Farhh proved in the end that he was a superb horse in his own right. Farhh and Cirrus Des Aigles end 2013 simply adding more to the Frankel legend that two horses he smashed up in 2012 fought out the finish in the 2013 Champion Stakes. And of course: I was on at 7/2. Hope we all enjoyed it. Roll on jumps!
Secretariat was the best horse ever !
why was it,explain please?
It won the triple crown. Kentucky derby he set every fraction faster than the previous. In the preakness he made the most astonishing 2nd turn spurt in racing history. In the Belmont he won by 31 lengths.
In all 3 races he beat the course record. No horse is yet to get within two seconds of this time!! This is on a surface where races are generally more truly run so records are hard to break. Oh also his jockey claimed he was better on turf also. Of course a grade one winner on turf too. :-)
If Secretariat was drug tested it would have been fucked!
Another yank talking bollocks again
No drugs on Frankel mate that's where English and American racing differ!!!!!!
Frankel had no equal at a mile. Brigadier Gerard was next best.
It's only fitting that one of racing's most legendary trainers got to go out in style getting to train what will certainly hold up as one of racing's most legendary horses. RIP Sir Henry!
I smile every time I watch Frankels races. I'd never felt more confident of backing a horse with my entire savings, as I was before Frankel won the 2000 Guineas. I could have had £7500 on him at 8/11. My Mrs told me, that if I did the bet, regardless of win or lose, then we'd be done. Imagine how I felt, sitting at work watching the race on TV and seeing Frankel cruising at halfway, 10-12 lengths clear of the field, with all the other jockeys rowing away and in trouble. I was gutted.
People forget how good a horse Nathanial was too. He got to within half a length of Frankel in their maiden race, but was destroyed in this race. I honestly believe that Frankel would have won the Arc De Triomphe, had he stayed in training and given the chance to run....he was that good.
The only 2 horses that come close for me, but for different reasons were Dancing Brave and Enable.
Frankel was without doubt, the best Horse I have ever seen, an equine freak and a true champion of champions.
Without question, Cirrus Des Aigles is arguably one of the best soft ground middle distance horses in the world. How many other horses except a horse the caliber of a Frankel could've dwelt coming out of the starting gate like he did in a major G1 race against Cirrus Des Aigles on this kind of ground and still roll right on by him in the stretch barely off the bridal. That instant burst of acceleration Frankel possessed when asked by Queally settled all of his races in a heartbeat. Just a fact.
@pauly117900 Ithink the best his placed was 7th or5th ? unplaced in how many starts ? it goes to show that your top horses aren't sure things overseas .
Very interesting. Thanks mate.
Amazing, never get tired of seeing him...and now he is starting out as a hot sire--Bravo ---could not have picked a better horse to name after Bobby Frankel.....
Well done Frankel. Cirrus des Aigles a superb horse too.
Matthew, agreed. I watched it too and even more impressed to hear that Cecil told jockey to forget the pacemaker in the guineas due to the draw. Was he better than dancing brave?, very close!
I am a person who recognises greatness. I recognised Black Caviar's. I also recognise Frankel's brilliance. His Guineas win will go down in history. He beat Excelebration by 11 lengths. He was a champion 2 year old and beat the best of the best again and again and on all grounds. I can only define Frankel as greatness. And nothing will change that.
Peter Moody's TV interview with Bruce Clark after Frankel won the QA PM said "One of the finest performances we have ever seen on a race course in my history in racing" Asked by Bruce Clark, "He is the world’s best racehorse" PM "He is and you saw why today, I saw why today. Absolutely outstanding. Absolutely a superb racehorse and you know I don’t think I have seen the equal of that performance ever.
Battle of the titans. Frankel (highest rated horse in world ever) cruising to beat Cirrus Des Aigles (2nd highest rated horse in world at that time)
Salute a racing great!
Hey walto. Interesting fact ! The horse the beat Man o' War was called Upset. In those days, the word upset had a more literal meaning, along the lines of tip over, or capsize. But it had no particular connection with sports. Then came Upset’s victory over the seemingly invincible Man o’ War. So shocking was Upset’s triumph over Man o’ War, that sports scribes began to describe unexpected outcomes in other sports like football and basketball by saying so-and-so “pulled off an Upset.” (cont2)
Runs right by Nathaniel, a previous King George & Coral-Eclipse winner like he was idling in neutral and then under only a hand ride, never touched with the whip, runs down a multiple G1 winner in Cirrus des Aigles who was arguably the toughest soft ground middle distance horse in racing at that time, and did it after dwelting, falling out of the stalls, and spotting him the better part of 3 lengths at the start. Frankel had an engine that even the best of the best horses just simply weren't equipped to handle or deal with. He had way of making it look so easy to make a great horse look average and a good horse look like it should be running in novice stakes races on the all-weather somewhere.
Gorgeous horse...
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Awesome Frankel !!
@BalmainBucko Hey mate , Frank says that GS is better than Phar Lap because he ran a quicker time ? so shouldn't STS be better than Frankel seeing how he ran a quicker juddmonte time ?
@Makoceans Still waiting for those answers buddy ;)
And why did you say Walter and Jimmy said Frankel was their best ever horse when he wasn't ? why'dyou lie dude?
Is that the best you can come up with? So tell me, in your opinion why do those Euros I mentioned get a higher rating in Aus than in europe?
There will never be another like him
Difficult for Frankel to resist the smashing acceleration of Sea The Stars in 2400 m.(vid Arc 2009)
In 1600-2000,Frankel is the Man.
@makoceans Condition , why do you think i keep adding on her muscle tears and the travel?
Seeing how you think your a smart kid,
Tell me , her travelling 36 hours , running with 2 muscle tears , what % would her physical state of been? 50% ?
Sir Henry Cecil (god rest his soul) said that Frankel was the best he'd ever seen. Really and truly that's all I need. After all, he was possibly the greatest trainer ever. I mean that Guineas win was just unbelievable, I was watching it on the big screen from Goodwood racecourse and I actually said to my mate: "he'll never win" and to be honest I felt his Queen Anne win was the best performance on a British racecourse since Arkle was laughing at Mill House in the 1960s.
@simon picket Cheers for the compliment dude , Mirin lats? ;) And what's someone wanting to give him a 148 got to do with it ? they going to take rating points of the other horses for Frankel againActually , he never raced on heavy before , so no one knew how he would react to it , it's only because he only just won that they said he didn't like it , had he won like he did in his previous 2 starts , they'd say "yeah he likes this ground" that's why BT was there mate, to help him make the ground
Hello Walto, nice to see you're still here. Can't say the same for little sparrow4397. I'll look in again in a few months maybe.
Well you asked for it Troll. Now put your Dummy back in and here just for you. PM TV interview with Bruce Clark ;-) after QA. PM said "One of the finest performances we have ever seen on a race course in my history in racing" PM asked by Bruce Clark, He is the world’s best racehorse? "He is and you saw why today, I saw why today. Absolutely outstanding. Absolutely a superb racehorse and you know I don’t think I have seen the equal of that performance ever" :-)
what more reliable form would you get than 1 horse finishing in front of the other? All your basing you opinion on is ifs and buts and what ifs.. I never said we don't send our top horses over seas i said the vase is not a targeted race as the majority will hit the stable after the arc or breeders cup, obviously some horses travel some don't we have sent out top class operators like st nic -breeders cup sheema classic snow fairy - 2x queen eliz (japan) and the hong kong cup
he never went abroad to prove he really was the greatest
well said
Frankel is in the shed getting his end away and his form is still getting franked at Gr1 level. And to think Frankel flogged Farhh 6 and 7 lengths on the bridle from 8f to 10f. Unbelievable animal
That's champion that is. Live long mighty frankel.
@simon picket How'd it feel after the race? ;) no one was picking CDA to win where as Excelebration was backed the favourite yet he choked and got found out by Wise Dan , Would've loved to have seen Frankel try and beat WD , although we both know Frankels mob wouldn't of had the balls to send him to Wise Dan haha.
@09hysteria Cheers for the compliment spook ;)
As for Andy Murray, yeah it was great. I'm not a Tennis fan myself. I find it quite boring but it was nice for people to get behind someone like him and he's a real top chap. He may be Scottish but when it comes to things like this we like to call him British. You see, when he loses he's Scottish and when he wins he's British. You have to laugh, still, as you say, it brings an end to 77 years of waiting, I believe.
The whole racing world is in mourning today after the tragically sad death of Sir Henry Cecil. Who would have thought that just 7 months after training Frankel to his biggest victory the legendary trainer was to die. Sad day for everyone. I am sure he will never be forgotten through his record of 75 Royal Ascot winners and hopefully through the success of Frankel at stud. The Sport Of King's has lost one of it's King's today. Again - RIP Sir Henry.
I think you'll find Doncaster has a 2 year old race allotted with Frankel's name and a statue of the horse is under construction to be placed at one of Juddmonte's farms. I also believe they are considering other ways of heralding the great horse. I think you'll agree with me that it is nice that next week's Queen's Vase Stakes at Royal Ascot with be named in memory of the late Sir Henry Cecil.
very true
More and more proof that Frankel was the best thoroughbred many of us have ever seen. I felt so stupid for not backing Farhh after watching him dot up. I went and backed Beauty Parlour but after she was pulled out I decided not to have a bet even though I all but knew Declaration Of War couldn't win. Shame about Cityscape - they'll call it a day with him now. I will say that Aljamaheer has had a run like that in him for a while and will win a decent race this year.
I didn't realise that both Lucky Nine and Military Attack started their careers in Europe. Lucky Nine only had three runs for Andy Oliver in Ireland (winning a maiden and being placed in two others) and Military Attack had six runs for John Hills in England (winning four, two handicaps and a maiden). You would be surprised at the amount of top horses out in the far east that started off at a lower level in Europe.
Frankel - who is the only horse to have topped the world rankings as a two, three and four-year-old - was rated 9lb ahead of his nearest 2012 rival, Champion Stakes runner-up Cirrus des Aigles on 131, with unbeaten Australian sprinter Black Caviar and Excelebration next on 130.
9 pounds = 9 lengths plus
The international rankings, which have only included American horses since 1995, were ratified during a conference of handicappers from around the world in Hong Kong last month.
One of a kind
my horse and frankel are great-cousins! so proud of my horse!
@CharlesOlney23 Que ?
Considering his brilliant record at Royal Ascot a statue of Sir Henry in the parade ring would be a fitting tribute. Lets hope they do that.
One and only,at the time Frankel the best race horse on the flat ,love the horse with me hole heart.
Peter Moody doesn't agree with you. Being interviewed by TVN's Bruce Clark after Frankel's QA. Peter Moody said. "One of the finest performances we have ever seen on a race course in my history in racing". Asked by Bruce Clark, "He is the world’s best racehorse"? PM replied "He is, and you saw why today, I saw why today. Absolutely outstanding. Absolutely a superb racehorse and you know I don’t think I have seen the equal of that performance ever" (cont
And you are totally right Guitar! I have no doubts that this horse will do the business later in the year over the 10f trip.
ماشاء الله ❤️
i was under the impression that he didn't have/need a pacemaker in the 2000 guineas, which was his most convincing display of form.
You can't go around quoting people views to back up your arguments. Then dismiss the same people that don't agree with your views. It's called Duplicity my friend. Here another quote! Prince Khalid. "Frankel is the best horse I've ever owned by far" ;-)
@walto cont2) Eventually, the capitalized “U” in Upset became lower case as upset became a part of regular usage, and a word we know well today. Something new I've just learnt LOL.
Cont) talking of Sir Peter O'Sullivan. He stated, he was convinced that this cost Bering the race, and later said "That there was no way Dancing Brave would have beaten a fully fit Bering that day had it not been for the French colt's injury" Also DB didn't come from a long way back. At 300mts he was no more than 4L behind the leader. As for the huge acceleration he suppose to have shown, He ran the last 200mts around 13secs = 34.5mph Hello!
Frankel capability(even though believed to have a bigger heart) was his pure natural talent which he had from day 1, talent that mainly consisted of his long stride and straight forwardness in regards to jockey commands giving TQ the option to easily take him through gears or to relax him even if sustaining a high cruising speed. He also had a deep girth and very powerful hind legs which meant he could do anything from going faster than a top sprinter or relaxing for a longer and bumpier trip
I see you often comment about the things Black Caviar did that Frankel didn't and try to use this to justify you're grievances. However, there are many things that can act as vice versa. Frankel won a Group 1 by 11 lengths, defeated the world's 2nd and 3rd best racehorses, won on heavy going, managed to be 15 lengths clear at one point in a Classic and still won by 6, was European champion 2 year old, strung together 9 consecutive group 1 wins and achieved the highest ever rating for a racehorse
this is a perfect example of someone losing a battle so they change to something completely different. i rest my case! thank you :)
Don't know if you know but the mighty Sprinter Sacre has been given 188 by the handicapper and is within 2lb of King Kauto.Amazing machine and worthy of being labbled 'the Frankel of the jumps'.Agree also with Bobs Worth's 180 and on good
♥️Frankel est un extra-terrestre !
🇫🇷 Alors 👏Bravo "Cirrus des Aigles"for your second ✌️place..near this fantastic horse !
The 3 place is far !
The classic example of Excelebration's defeat in the USA was in 1986. Dancing Brave, the best horse in the world, one of the best racehorses ever had just won the Arc in one of the best performances of all time. He went over to race in the Breeders Cup Turf where he could only finish 4th. Despite this he was still regarded as the best horse not only in that race but in the world and still today regarded as one of the best ever.
yes you should read the press more often: "Frankel was responsible for a year-on-year increase of 50% in the attendance figure when he ran at York and Ascot must now plan for a surge of interest from racegoers desperate to see Frankel race before he retires to stud"
Frankel is legendary because of his ability displayed in different styles and always in an devastating manner Guineas 2000, Queen Anne, Juddmonte, This 3 great performances I for one will remember forever.
.....who was the better horse? Llammtara or Manighar?
its funny how O Peslier when he sees Frankel in the corner of the eye he immediately panics and stars whipping :-).. the lateral cameras give away a much more true representations on how easily Frankel passed Nathaniel and CDA and at the furlong mark TQ asks him to extend and in a furlong on that soft ground he makes 2 lengths from CDA.. awesome!
i enjoyed your in depth analysis Tim ... yeah really looks beatable when his average winning distance in G1's is over 5 lengths ...
How good does Olivier Pelier look on the back of Cirus des Aigles in this, I've watched this through 100 times and watch his head, his back, his rear, how smooth he is through the bend at over 40mph, I mean seriously that is a jockey.
great horse great champion
King
@Struggling?
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I'll ask you a couple of questions Walto.Is every Cox Plate/Caulfied Cup winner as good as each other?If not why not? And as you vehemently criticise Frankels connections for not travelling, what do you think of the Aus horses who dont go for the Breeders Cup or our Derby or compete worldwide? 'weak as piss'? Top class horses won the Cox Plate but some won it who would be lapped by even Farrh.Much like our Derby and some Breeders Cup winners. How do we know?
" 6-horse field" this small field was the highest quality field assembled by a long margin in the last years based on IFHA classification of the first three placed horses . It included the highest rate horse, the 2nd and the 7th rated horse in the world. It achieved a rating average of 129.75. While the 2nd best race was the Frankel's Juddmonte with an average rating of 126.75, and only after these two in which Frankel was involved was the 2011 Arc of Danedream with an average of 126.25
@eagle4397 here Eagle mate i'll quote what Moody as said to support your arguments to probitch ;)
Interview in England - "She's (Black Caviar) beaten all the type of horses you can race against and her rating keeps going down and his (Frankels) keep's going up , bit odd that" - Peter Moody
Interview before her first race back this year - "We supposedly had to leave our shores to prove we were the BEST IN THE WORLD , we did that" - Peter Moody
@CharlesOlney23 The exact length win if she was ridden out is something we can't say but what we can say both watching her races is that she would've won by more then when she was eased up as i keep harping on about , look at her Orr stakes and tell me had she not been eased up what would you think the length win would've been roughly? she won by under 4lengths being eased up , 5-6 maybe ? also watch her 2nd win , she wins by 5-6 lengths being eased up ,would've been more.
at the end of day Frankel was the closest horse to perfection than any other horse in history. sorry if that bothers you :-)
@protarget1 When did I say it never happened ? lol
Which is all neat and all but what did MOW have to do with anything ? it's like me saying Zenyatta lost by the shortest of margins in her last race and only ever defeat , it's true but what's it got to do with anything ?
Frankel defeated a horse rated 126 by 11 lengths at Royal Ascot. Show me a performance akin to that this side of the millennium. Even when Harbinger won the 2010 King George by 10 lengths, Cape Blanco (second) was rated 119. Even Aiden O'Brien said Excelebration was as good if not better than Giant's Causeway and Rock of Gibraltar and they both got beat in the USA.