One tip, don't do your splice at the corner, work your way in from the corner and try to the splice in the center of the wall. The corners are where the blowouts happen so you want your strength there.
You know you've put a good day's work in when you end up with some concrete in your beard. The foundation for the Timber Frame home is off to a great start. Looking forward to more videos on the build.
One safety tip. As soon as you put a vertical piece of rebar in, make sure you put an orange cap on it. I was cringing every time you pressed down hard to engage the horizontal rebar into the plastic framing.
I worked with a carpenter who fell off a stepladder and he landed on a length of rebar they were hundreds of miles from a hospital on an island luckily the navy heard them begging for help on the radio and came and brought him back to land
I was/am also concerned. Especially around/under the windows and the corners, tho generally everywhere. Other ICF videos I watched vibrated everywhere gently & briefly so as not to damage or compromise the forms.
Thanks! It’s not a bad idea to vibrate the forms, there’s a lot of things in the wall that could make cavities. We vibrated it from the outside with a sawzall
Cut from the other direction for making blocking. You want to cut on the waste side. There’s a larger side of the plate when cutting from the opposing side. Less chance of kickback.
We did vibrate from the outside with a sawzall that had no blade on it. If I did it again I might get a proper vibrator to help around the windows mostly.
@@SharpeTimberthe question was if you have experience to pour concrete in few sets within 3-5 days using concrete mixer,. ,it is not easy to keep going while it still wet,.. we are humans you know… concrete pump and spinner cost sh¡t load of gold.
Curious on cost. We're about to build (no basement, just a foundation) and are debating hiring out a traditional foundation or doing ICF ourselves. Can't seem to gauge the cost benefit.
Counting the excavation, footings. Drainage, Gravel, icf with rebar and concrete, and cement floor I spent about $23000 cad. I got the walls and floor quoted for $43k not counting the excavation. I did everything myself with help from family
I did a basement because my lot is small and I wanted to get as much as I could from the footprint. Doing a basement doesn’t seem much harder than a slab, as long as you don’t have a lot of water in the ground.
@@SharpeTimber cool. I just had a guy come out and quote me on the supplies to do mine and it was much cheaper than I thought. Only thing is I'd have to cut down some trees I like but dang, about to have some firewood cause I like the idea. I might even do ICF all the way up to the trusses.
Drywall isn't that bad if u design around not having to cut the panels, unless mudding isn't ur friend. I found that once you get the consistency right it becomes a breeze.
I was quoted 42k for foundation and floor using traditional forms and that wasn’t including excavating. Doing it myself with ICF was about 23k including excavation.
@@SharpeTimber i think ICF prices went up a lot recently, i priced them vs building my own forms and pouring a solid walland it seems like a lot more. Maybe my math is wrong
What size are icf blocks. 8,10 or 12 inch and are they fox blocks. How deep under ground is your basement dug. How many feet deep. How many inches are your footings wide and deep. What size rebar u have in the footings and the size of rebar in icf. Thanks
How many sq ft was the interior? How did you know what type of concrete to get? Did you shop more than one icf company? How do you cut out for power plugs?
I think around 870 sq ft, just researched online, talked with my engineer and the guys who sell the ICFs. I just got a quote from one company because they weren't too far from me, I just figured they were all pretty similar. You can use a special hot knife, or electric chainsaw or just a knife.
I just posted one of me making the timber sill plates. We just poured the cement floor yesterday so I will have a video on that soon. And in a few weeks we are putting up the frame. Thanks for watching!
Hey man, great video! This is going to be one of my main go to videos to refer to once i start my own house. Just a side note, the music is a bit too loud. Not terribly so, but its a little out of proportion to the rest of the audio. Keep up the good work man!
Get your own pest certification for $250. Their warranties are shit anyways. Though in South I would use termite resistant water barrier. No ICF walls to at least Ceiling and only non structural wood. Termites won’t matter.
The kid down in the hole with a little piece of plywood acting like he's reinforcing during the pour - dangerous as hell. If that blows out, he's deep enough to get crushed and pinned.
Why don’t people in North America build their basements properly right away? The outer walls are always poured first and then the floor . With this type of construction, the basement cannot be sealed and it requires drainage and a sump pump in the basement.
@@SharpeTimber if the manufacturer of those forms had required to secure forms the way you did , you should have done more diligent work on choosing the ICF brand . A foundation wall out CMU block doesn't have horizontal steel bar after every row
@@andreycham4797 If I was doing that job and it was my structure (my money being spent), I would want way more rebar in there! Most people can think past their noses. I think in terms of 100 years! A lot is going to happen in 100 years. Overkill? No such thing!
The heat will dissipate. It will take longer as well as the cure but that long cure should make the wall stronger if anything. If you don't like ICF just say so.
One tip, don't do your splice at the corner, work your way in from the corner and try to the splice in the center of the wall. The corners are where the blowouts happen so you want your strength there.
You know you've put a good day's work in when you end up with some concrete in your beard. The foundation for the Timber Frame home is off to a great start. Looking forward to more videos on the build.
Thanks! It feels great to be on our way. We are excited to get the frame together!
Nice basement layout. Those walls are good and thick. 🇨🇦✌️
Thanks 👍
One safety tip. As soon as you put a vertical piece of rebar in, make sure you put an orange cap on it. I was cringing every time you pressed down hard to engage the horizontal rebar into the plastic framing.
Yes that is a good idea, I was aware that it could hurt me aha
Lol, they go from one side to the other like butter.
I worked with a carpenter who fell off a stepladder and he landed on a length of rebar they were hundreds of miles from a hospital on an island luckily the navy heard them begging for help on the radio and came and brought him back to land
Why didn't you vibrate the walls
This bothered me, no vibration?
I was/am also concerned. Especially around/under the windows and the corners, tho generally everywhere. Other ICF videos I watched vibrated everywhere gently & briefly so as not to damage or compromise the forms.
Sooo exciting!!!🎉
Yes its so exciting to finally be working on it!
Awesome video and work, Always wondered do you need to vibrate the concrete to help it settle in the forms?
Thanks! It’s not a bad idea to vibrate the forms, there’s a lot of things in the wall that could make cavities. We vibrated it from the outside with a sawzall
@@SharpeTimberI'd like to see how you vibrated with a Sawzall, as I haven't heard of that before. Nose to the wall? Or handle to the wall?
you did good work
Thanks!
Sorry but have you used a saw before?
Yeah
Do you rent or buy the bracing that keeps the walls plumb?
I had to rent it.
How many yards of concrete was that?
It was around 24 yards for the wall
What was your concrete mix composition? What did you do for footers? Are you pouring a basement floor?
Loved your video.. you sound like a honorable and humble gentleman. Any more update on home building so far ?
Hey Gary, I will be putting the frame up in a couple weeks. I will post a video on it 👍
Cut from the other direction for making blocking. You want to cut on the waste side. There’s a larger side of the plate when cutting from the opposing side. Less chance of kickback.
You’re right, good idea!
Did you build the timber frame on top of the ICF wall? Did you have to build out the wall for the timbers to bear on?
Yes I will be putting the timber frame on it. I’m almost ready to raise the frame, just a few more weeks.
I didn’t see you guys vibrate. The wall is that not needed or was it just not part of the video?
We did vibrate from the outside with a sawzall that had no blade on it. If I did it again I might get a proper vibrator to help around the windows mostly.
Did you pour the entire height at once? Do you have to? Can you pour like 4 ft all the way around every few days?
I did it in 3 passes around, but you don’t wait for it to dry. You just keep going around until it’s to the top.
@@SharpeTimberthe question was if you have experience to pour concrete in few sets within 3-5 days using concrete mixer,. ,it is not easy to keep going while it still wet,.. we are humans you know… concrete pump and spinner cost sh¡t load of gold.
Curious on cost. We're about to build (no basement, just a foundation) and are debating hiring out a traditional foundation or doing ICF ourselves. Can't seem to gauge the cost benefit.
Counting the excavation, footings. Drainage, Gravel, icf with rebar and concrete, and cement floor I spent about $23000 cad. I got the walls and floor quoted for $43k not counting the excavation. I did everything myself with help from family
Excellent video, trying to debate myself if I want to build a basement or just go with a slab. Do you have more videos of the house being built?
Basement all the way.
I did a basement because my lot is small and I wanted to get as much as I could from the footprint. Doing a basement doesn’t seem much harder than a slab, as long as you don’t have a lot of water in the ground.
I just poured my floor yesterday and I will have a video of that and in a few weeks we are putting up the timber frame.
@@SharpeTimber cool. I just had a guy come out and quote me on the supplies to do mine and it was much cheaper than I thought. Only thing is I'd have to cut down some trees I like but dang, about to have some firewood cause I like the idea. I might even do ICF all the way up to the trusses.
Was that old terracotta sewer pipe you dug up at the beginning?
Yes but I think it was drainage tile because there was a few pipes in different places.
How many linear feet was your foundation?
120 ft.
what are the specs of the original footing? it's just a strip footing with some rebar?
Yeah I think it was 8”x20” footing with rebar
How is this holding up? looking to do the same with my own build (diy)
It’s really good, I just poured the floor yesterday and will be putting up the timber frame soon. I saved at least 30k doing it myself.
What are the yellow pipe supports? Did u have to buy them?
I rented them.
marriage line should be more in mid wall not near a corner
Yes that is true, learned lots doing my first one.
Why do you have to install those chicken-wire laders on top of a course? Is it code?
I don’t think it’s required, I just read that some people recommend it for the top course, it helps keep the wall nice and straight
@@SharpeTimber : Thank you for your answer
I am guess I’ll save about $100K doing ICF, plumbing, and electrical. Though I’ll hire out interior drywall. I hate drywall.
Yeah for sure. And yes I am going to hire out the drywall as well
Wish I could do the plumbing and the electrical but legally I can't!
Drywall isn't that bad if u design around not having to cut the panels, unless mudding isn't ur friend. I found that once you get the consistency right it becomes a breeze.
@@epicdock7092that's why I bought land in a diy build friendly county
@@epicdock7092why can’t you?legally?
Anyone know how this icf cost is against a form contractor cost wise ? How much $ are form guys getting per yard installed ?
I was quoted 42k for foundation and floor using traditional forms and that wasn’t including excavating. Doing it myself with ICF was about 23k including excavation.
How much was form? And concrete pour?
I just bought forms for my foundation. 28'x60' full basement with 10" thick walls cost 15k for all the blocks. Not including forms, rebar, or concrete
I had no idea cost. Still reasonable for DIY?
I did my whole basement for around 24k with digging and everything. About 1/2 the cost of hiring someone to do it all with conventional basement wall.
Is it cheaper than building snap tie forms? Is it strong enough, doesnt look like 8" concrete
It was cheaper for me to do it myself this way than to hire someone to do it with plywood forms
@@SharpeTimber i think ICF prices went up a lot recently, i priced them vs building my own forms and pouring a solid walland it seems like a lot more.
Maybe my math is wrong
Cost?
Spent around $18 500 for excavation, footing and wall. Thats counting all the materials and also Gravel with a stone slinger.
What size are icf blocks. 8,10 or 12 inch and are they fox blocks. How deep under ground is your basement dug. How many feet deep. How many inches are your footings wide and deep. What size rebar u have in the footings and the size of rebar in icf. Thanks
@@SharpeTimberhow much did you save?
How many sq ft was the interior? How did you know what type of concrete to get? Did you shop more than one icf company? How do you cut out for power plugs?
I think around 870 sq ft, just researched online, talked with my engineer and the guys who sell the ICFs. I just got a quote from one company because they weren't too far from me, I just figured they were all pretty similar. You can use a special hot knife, or electric chainsaw or just a knife.
Orange caps are optional this isn’t an OSHA job, only a local inspector and he will be above them for inspection comes.
That's right! Safety only matters if regulators are watching!
Until someone falls as only loses an eye if they are lucky.
I live in central Texas What is a basement? 😅
something you cool off in the summer or stay warm in the winter when your grid is out.
I dont see any other videos on this project.
I just posted one of me making the timber sill plates. We just poured the cement floor yesterday so I will have a video on that soon. And in a few weeks we are putting up the frame. Thanks for watching!
Hey man, great video! This is going to be one of my main go to videos to refer to once i start my own house.
Just a side note, the music is a bit too loud. Not terribly so, but its a little out of proportion to the rest of the audio.
Keep up the good work man!
Great! Glad it can help, and thanks for the feedback, I will be sure that the volume is right in the next ones, or I will just do it without music.
Have you checked with your pest control companies ? Many won't touch an ICF.
No I haven't, but we don't have many pests here that I have to worry about.
They suck anyway
Get your own pest certification for $250. Their warranties are shit anyways. Though in South I would use termite resistant water barrier. No ICF walls to at least Ceiling and only non structural wood. Termites won’t matter.
That drilled rebar didn’t look to have epoxy holding them in place.
The holes were undersize and just hit them in, they were really tight.
The kid down in the hole with a little piece of plywood acting like he's reinforcing during the pour - dangerous as hell. If that blows out, he's deep enough to get crushed and pinned.
Music was too loud, distracting, and obscured the dialog at times.
Yeah but the info was A1
Why don’t people in North America build their basements properly right away?
The outer walls are always poured first and then the floor .
With this type of construction, the basement cannot be sealed and it requires drainage and a sump pump in the basement.
What do you recommend?
@@jeoinaforest Build the house basement like in Germany.
Without sump pump, higher electricity bills, drainage, and other hemorrhoids.
@@ivanivanovich2540 we used a dimpled membrane on the last house, Delta MS I believe. Had no trouble and no sump pump…
dont try this at home" lol dude was holding the bottom down. im cool. back to old school
You put horizontal rebars in footings and top rows between top and bottom they are useless
With ICF you need horizontal rebar on each row. It snaps in and holds the forms together. It also will still resist tension on the inside of the wall
@@SharpeTimber if the manufacturer of those forms had required to secure forms the way you did , you should have done more diligent work on choosing the ICF brand . A foundation wall out CMU block doesn't have horizontal steel bar after every row
@@andreycham4797 If I was doing that job and it was my structure (my money being spent), I would want way more rebar in there! Most people can think past their noses. I think in terms of 100 years! A lot is going to happen in 100 years. Overkill? No such thing!
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Why do video makers feel they have to play music. 👎🏻👎🏻
Because they are builders not video makers, cant be good at everything 🤷♂️
Wow is that music ever a big distraction.
Thanks for the feedback 👍 will probably start doing videos without music mostly
I actually liked the music ;)
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Those walls are full of air pockets.
What annoying music... can't listen anymore. 💩
Stop with the bullshit music. Not here to listen to that!
Turn that stupid music off, blows my eardrums...
ICF is very bad thing. The heat generated during the curing of concrete cannot dissipate, resulting in this concrete having particularly low strength.
Post some links of Icf houses that have collapsed because the concrete was weak.
The heat will dissipate. It will take longer as well as the cure but that long cure should make the wall stronger if anything.
If you don't like ICF just say so.
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