You gotta set then correctly as well. The longsprings need to be pulled towards the trigger side at approximately 45 degrees to work properly, plus they bed better. So mainly it's a user preference. Yes the coil spring is faster. But try getting your hand out of one... that's why I prefer the longspring.
The speed doesn't matter when both are so close. The thing about coilspring traps is that the springs will weaken over time and won't hold the animal that well. With a longspring trap, the springs will weaken over time, but the holding power will always be the same. So it becomes easier to set over time, but will never compromise the holding power. I have seen longspring over 80 yrs old that still work as well as when it came out of the box.
It's clear from your test that the coil has greater speed in the beginning but over heavy use for 20-40 years the long spring will retain its spring tension better while the coil will most likely have had new springs installed by 10-15 years of heavy use. Its a triad off the coil is lighter but requires more maintains, has more moving parts, but requires smaller bedding, how ever the long spring is heavier and that weight is in the springs, has less moving parts, almost no maintains up to 40years or longer with heavy use, and requires more area bedding then the coil spring, a little more work but the long springs bed more solid because that the springs service as stabilizers. I have both but I prefer the long spring for bedding stability and indestructiblety, but quit often due to weight, hiking distance and difficult bedding (rocks) it's best to use my coil springs. Logger John.
This test was also comparing a 4 coiled coilspring to a double longspring. Id like to see a comparison using smaller traps and a 2 coiled coilspring trap, that might even the odds
Good information, even if this is not a scientific test. I'm not completely sure the two dropped objects fell the same distance and were released at the same instance. Pan tension is also a factor as is pan travel before release. What is especially important is the drop in speed of closure due to the inertia of needing to overcome being buried in the dirt. I'd like to see this test done with both traps frozen over and in different mediums, such as water, sand, heavy clay soil, peat moss only, etc. I get the impression from some of my trapping that a trap buried in heavy clay soil that becomes waterlogged and therefore filled with mud may close a lot slower than any of these speeds, sometimes even slow enough to not catch the animal at all.
You test one aspect, jaw speed. Now put a longspring up against a coilspring in these tests: toughness/durability, maintainability, and most importantly how easy is each to pull out of? I think you'll find the longspring trap will win overall. Although coilspring definitely wins in "ease of use".
Long springs have a lot better holding power that's why people like them. And if you're in a situation where the bottom is very soft they bed a lot better.
The biggest disadvantage for me is releasing non target animals such as fisher or bobcats, which I have done both. Coilsprings are much easier to release the animal than the longsprings.
could you do the test again? Only this time, when you set the longspring, turn the springs at about a 45 degree angle towards the dog side of the trap. There should be notches on the spring that sort of locks in place when the jaw rests there...i'm curious to see if it helps or hurts the close time...thanks, gene
+Modern Woodcraft And Survival Nope, I'm testing the maximum amount of spring power each design allows, if I was to halve the springs on the coilspring it would only be fair to halve it on the longspring as well.
@@FPSoutback what he was saying was that the coilspring you used in the video is a 4 coiled trap instead of a normal 2 coiled. Where the long spring still only has two long springs. So it's not a fair test if one trap has twice as many springs as the other.
@@AlexDoucet Of course it is, both have the maximum number of springs that the design can accommodate. Thats the best performance they can achieve and the only valid way of testing it.
A good thing about the long spring is that if there more snow on the ground. It could possibly allow a tiny bit of time for a animal to put his foot in there. And less toe catches?
The of the long aping can freeze down from frost and the trap will still function. If the levers of the coil spring freeze down from frost. It will not fire. But they will both be useless if the dirt soaked with moisture and frozen. Or frozen crust forms over them.
Interesting video but I wonder if it was fair. The CS has 4 springs but the LS only has 2. Curious how the test would go if the CS only had 2 springs. Good video!
+Michael Brigman But then people would call unfair and ask for a single spring longsping! heh. But anyway it is fair as both traps carry the maximum amount of springs that their design allows, yes it would be interesting to test all single and double spring traps but I chose these because they were the same size, finding identical sized and branded traps in all spring configurations would be hard if not impossible.
the advantage of a longspring is the simplicity of the design and requires less maintenance. for a person trapping in the deep outback or in the polar wildernesses, the long spring might be a little clumsier, but they are less inclined to break.
@genegol75 Hi mate, thees no notch on the trap I have here. I did angle the trap at a variety of angles in the vid though, pretty close to 45 on the second (1200fps) vid. I can give it anotjer shot going to the two extremes and see if theres any significance in the speed difference that was seen there.
They have extra weight so they are great for submersion sets and "slow" animals. Coil springs are faster and will catch foxes, bobcats, and coyotes with a higher catch rate with a lower pullout rate.
You can make a double long spring trap as fast as it will ever be buy filing the out side edge of the jaw legs and filing the inside of the spring eye so they are no.longer Sharp.then wax them works great on larger traps
The best thing about a dbl longspring is bedding the trap. Is it much much easier to bed than a coilspring trap. It also helps in frozen ground as the trap will still go off on a LS when the coilspring will not if the leverfreeze down. In other words...it can be one hell of a canaine trap in cold weather using peat moss to keep it from freezing as its solid and wont freeze down as easy.
Great video...thanks! Do you feel the slower speed would give the animal time to pull it's foot away? In other words, is the difference in speed significant enough to matter?
@@geraldlong4607 No. The difference is negligible. No chance for any animal to react quick enough. But long sprig holds much stronger and gives animal no possibility to get out
I prefer the coil springs myself. They are much easier to set and much smaller so I could carry more of them. I've never used long spring traps (I did tinker with a few a friend of mine had and didn't really like the way they worked), but I have used lever spring traps and in my experience the coil springs success rate was 100% compared to the lever spring traps which didn't hold a single animal. I also had to do some significant adjustments just to get the lever springs to trip, the dog was way to long and the notch for the dog to fit in was to small. The coil spring traps needed nothing, I died them and put them out on the line and caught animals.
I find it interesting that you are saying you are comparing speeds of these two traps yet you do not have them on equal ground. What I mean by equal ground is the simple fact that 1. not all traps are made equally. 2. One trap has 4 coils the other only has 2 ... An yet you are saying one is superior over the other. I think you are also missing a vital point that in a long term self reliant situation the two coil spring trap has less mechanical parts on it there for less options for it to fail. Additionally over time those coils are going to break down an the "speed" of that 4 coil trap will slow down where as the 2 coil trap will remain. An lastly, in a self reliant situation if in fact you needed to say make a knife or some other type of opject the two coil trap has much more options. For myself the two coil trap wins time an time again. Not to mention that but if you get your hand caught in the first trap that you say is so easy to open not so easy to open when your hand is in it. The 2 coil is much easier.I could list other reasons as well.However, would be interested to know which brands you are comparing here?
+Tyger Arnett +Tyger Arnett Hi Tyger, yes it is , at least as equal ground as it gets. Yes there are variables but as far as new from factory goes this is fair yes I could have tested a number of traps but I don't have the money for that nor would I expect a change in results. The number of coils is also fair because both carry the maximum number of springs that the design allows. Yes you do have a good point as to the likelihood of the coil spring slowing down more over time then the longspring, there is more frictional surfaces thus rust etc. should have a greater effect on the coilsprings, its something that would be worth testing. The trap brand is in the vid, both are bridger #5's.
None of them break the animals' bones. Longsprings generally cause more foot damage than coilsprings, due to them torquing the foot more, etc. Coyote trappers who sell the coyotes on the live market, with no foot damage, use 4-coiled, offset, laminated coilsprings almost exclusively.
Yeah 20% faster , I highly doubt that would effect capturing animal design for that trap. But it's a good video neverless. I think it depends on what the user is comfortable with .
although the long spring trap is a 200 year old design it should not be knocked even though it takes more room to set a dirt hole for it as it takes up more room with those Springs it still is a very strong trap and a tough one for an animal to get out of my long spring is the only trap I would trust to hold a bear by its paw it is not quite a bear trap but it's got a very strong chain on it and could hold a bear by the toes in my opinion not to mention it is probably my oldest trap and will probably Outlast my others
Yeah thats not the proper wY to set the traps. Should never put your feet on your trapps. Only your hands. How were setting them is how you get fingers caught, especially with the longspring.
You gotta set then correctly as well. The longsprings need to be pulled towards the trigger side at approximately 45 degrees to work properly, plus they bed better. So mainly it's a user preference. Yes the coil spring is faster. But try getting your hand out of one... that's why I prefer the longspring.
The speed doesn't matter when both are so close. The thing about coilspring traps is that the springs will weaken over time and won't hold the animal that well.
With a longspring trap, the springs will weaken over time, but the holding power will always be the same. So it becomes easier to set over time, but will never compromise the holding power. I have seen longspring over 80 yrs old that still work as well as when it came out of the box.
It's clear from your test that the coil has greater speed in the beginning but over heavy use for 20-40 years the long spring will retain its spring tension better while the coil will most likely have had new springs installed by 10-15 years of heavy use.
Its a triad off the coil is lighter but requires more maintains, has more moving parts, but requires smaller bedding, how ever the long spring is heavier and that weight is in the springs, has less moving parts, almost no maintains up to 40years or longer with heavy use, and requires more area bedding then the coil spring, a little more work but the long springs bed more solid because that the springs service as stabilizers.
I have both but I prefer the long spring for bedding stability and indestructiblety, but quit often due to weight, hiking distance and difficult bedding (rocks) it's best to use my coil springs.
Logger John.
This test was also comparing a 4 coiled coilspring to a double longspring. Id like to see a comparison using smaller traps and a 2 coiled coilspring trap, that might even the odds
Good information, even if this is not a scientific test. I'm not completely sure the two dropped objects fell the same distance and were released at the same instance. Pan tension is also a factor as is pan travel before release.
What is especially important is the drop in speed of closure due to the inertia of needing to overcome being buried in the dirt. I'd like to see this test done with both traps frozen over and in different mediums, such as water, sand, heavy clay soil, peat moss only, etc. I get the impression from some of my trapping that a trap buried in heavy clay soil that becomes waterlogged and therefore filled with mud may close a lot slower than any of these speeds, sometimes even slow enough to not catch the animal at all.
They were synchronised with the first movement of the dog not the release of the weight that triggered them.
You test one aspect, jaw speed. Now put a longspring up against a coilspring in these tests: toughness/durability, maintainability, and most importantly how easy is each to pull out of?
I think you'll find the longspring trap will win overall. Although coilspring definitely wins in "ease of use".
Long springs have a lot better holding power that's why people like them. And if you're in a situation where the bottom is very soft they bed a lot better.
Jim Walker
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I used to trap 50 years ago, this brought back memories.
The biggest disadvantage for me is releasing non target animals such as fisher or bobcats, which I have done both. Coilsprings are much easier to release the animal than the longsprings.
could you do the test again? Only this time, when you set the longspring, turn the springs at about a 45 degree angle towards the dog side of the trap. There should be notches on the spring that sort of locks in place when the jaw rests there...i'm curious to see if it helps or hurts the close time...thanks, gene
Yep, you're testing a 4 spring to a 2 spring. I'm sure a 2 spring coil is still faster, but it would give a more accurate comparison.
+Modern Woodcraft And Survival Nope, I'm testing the maximum amount of spring power each design allows, if I was to halve the springs on the coilspring it would only be fair to halve it on the longspring as well.
@@FPSoutback what he was saying was that the coilspring you used in the video is a 4 coiled trap instead of a normal 2 coiled. Where the long spring still only has two long springs. So it's not a fair test if one trap has twice as many springs as the other.
@@AlexDoucet Of course it is, both have the maximum number of springs that the design can accommodate. Thats the best performance they can achieve and the only valid way of testing it.
@@FPSoutback wrong. They make helper springs you can add to the long springs.
A good thing about the long spring is that if there more snow on the ground. It could possibly allow a tiny bit of time for a animal to put his foot in there. And less toe catches?
Good video, but the speed difference is not enough to miss a catch. The animal is caught before they can react.
I have heard that coil springs sometimes get frozen over if it rains and then it gets cold. Something longsprings are immune to.
Garras Porgratix definetly not immune from freezing..
The of the long aping can freeze down from frost and the trap will still function. If the levers of the coil spring freeze down from frost. It will not fire. But they will both be useless if the dirt soaked with moisture and frozen. Or frozen crust forms over them.
Brilliant video I'd love to see you test a bridger 5 and a mb750
Interesting video but I wonder if it was fair. The CS has 4 springs but the LS only has 2. Curious how the test would go if the CS only had 2 springs. Good video!
+Michael Brigman But then people would call unfair and ask for a single spring longsping! heh. But anyway it is fair as both traps carry the maximum amount of springs that their design allows, yes it would be interesting to test all single and double spring traps but I chose these because they were the same size, finding identical sized and branded traps in all spring configurations would be hard if not impossible.
the advantage of a longspring is the simplicity of the design and requires less maintenance. for a person trapping in the deep outback or in the polar wildernesses, the long spring might be a little clumsier, but they are less inclined to break.
@1alpinehunter I have a Lanes but no Jakes, i can compare it with a well rusted MB750 perhaps.
which one has more psi hold when closed
@genegol75 Hi mate, thees no notch on the trap I have here. I did angle the trap at a variety of angles in the vid though, pretty close to 45 on the second (1200fps) vid. I can give it anotjer shot going to the two extremes and see if theres any significance in the speed difference that was seen there.
interesting- great footage, be interesting to compare a jake to other coil sprung traps
I like long springs best, their traditional.
They have extra weight so they are great for submersion sets and "slow" animals. Coil springs are faster and will catch foxes, bobcats, and coyotes with a higher catch rate with a lower pullout rate.
I prefer coil spring for land and water but I got a long spring for muskrat.
Nice video. Interesting. I really did know that there was such as speed difference.
You can make a double long spring trap as fast as it will ever be buy filing the out side edge of the jaw legs and filing the inside of the spring eye so they are no.longer
Sharp.then wax them works great on larger traps
Dude I can set a #5 bridger longspring on my knee, try it
@Chad Klaren 5'8" 120 it's all technique
@@mulletvennink8091 you probably have 2 hands though.
Surely the difficulty to re-set the trap is an advantage as well as a disadvantage because it means it will be harder for the animal to escape?
the coil spring has 4 springs and the long spring really only has 2
Do a video with the double long spring in the double coil spring trap
The best thing about a dbl longspring is bedding the trap. Is it much much easier to bed than a coilspring trap. It also helps in frozen ground as the trap will still go off on a LS when the coilspring will not if the leverfreeze down. In other words...it can be one hell of a canaine trap in cold weather using peat moss to keep it from freezing as its solid and wont freeze down as easy.
Sir, keeping at least how much weight on this trap locks it.
Great video...thanks! Do you feel the slower speed would give the animal time to pull it's foot away? In other words, is the difference in speed significant enough to matter?
Yes. Coil springs have a better catch rate when it comes to fast animals like fox, coyote, and bobcat
@@geraldlong4607 No. The difference is negligible. No chance for any animal to react quick enough. But long sprig holds much stronger and gives animal no possibility to get out
I prefer the coil springs myself. They are much easier to set and much smaller so I could carry more of them. I've never used long spring traps (I did tinker with a few a friend of mine had and didn't really like the way they worked), but I have used lever spring traps and in my experience the coil springs success rate was 100% compared to the lever spring traps which didn't hold a single animal. I also had to do some significant adjustments just to get the lever springs to trip, the dog was way to long and the notch for the dog to fit in was to small. The coil spring traps needed nothing, I died them and put them out on the line and caught animals.
I find it interesting that you are saying you are comparing speeds of these two traps yet you do not have them on equal ground. What I mean by equal ground is the simple fact that 1. not all traps are made equally. 2. One trap has 4 coils the other only has 2 ... An yet you are saying one is superior over the other. I think you are also missing a vital point that in a long term self reliant situation the two coil spring trap has less mechanical parts on it there for less options for it to fail. Additionally over time those coils are going to break down an the "speed" of that 4 coil trap will slow down where as the 2 coil trap will remain. An lastly, in a self reliant situation if in fact you needed to say make a knife or some other type of opject the two coil trap has much more options. For myself the two coil trap wins time an time again. Not to mention that but if you get your hand caught in the first trap that you say is so easy to open not so easy to open when your hand is in it. The 2 coil is much easier.I could list other reasons as well.However, would be interested to know which brands you are comparing here?
+Tyger Arnett +Tyger Arnett Hi Tyger, yes it is , at least as equal ground as it gets. Yes there are variables but as far as new from factory goes this is fair yes I could have tested a number of traps but I don't have the money for that nor would I expect a change in results. The number of coils is also fair because both carry the maximum number of springs that the design allows. Yes you do have a good point as to the likelihood of the coil spring slowing down more over time then the longspring, there is more frictional surfaces thus rust etc. should have a greater effect on the coilsprings, its something that would be worth testing. The trap brand is in the vid, both are bridger #5's.
What size is the long spring
it doesn't matter if its faster these traps aren't supposed to brake the animals bones its just supposed to hold them
None of them break the animals' bones. Longsprings generally cause more foot damage than coilsprings, due to them torquing the foot more, etc. Coyote trappers who sell the coyotes on the live market, with no foot damage, use 4-coiled, offset, laminated coilsprings almost exclusively.
farmersfuel I know I've caught an opossum twice with my long spring and the opossum whines up with twist-off damage
How much is the price
subscribed love the vids mate !
I'm new to this guy and I don't mean to be rude, but whats wrong with his hand?
Yeah 20% faster , I highly doubt that would effect capturing animal design for that trap. But it's a good video neverless. I think it depends on what the user is comfortable with .
although the long spring trap is a 200 year old design it should not be knocked even though it takes more room to set a dirt hole for it as it takes up more room with those Springs it still is a very strong trap and a tough one for an animal to get out of my long spring is the only trap I would trust to hold a bear by its paw it is not quite a bear trap but it's got a very strong chain on it and could hold a bear by the toes in my opinion not to mention it is probably my oldest trap and will probably Outlast my others
Axtran?
You convinced me!! Great video. Thanks.
Those long I just break the both springs over my left leg there so mutch faster than a coil
man im only 13 but i love you can you pls make more vid about shooting?
Good information
Good traps
cool video thanx mate
skrew both of em go coni's
long springs last a lot longer. The video doesn't compensate for pan release time
Yes it does, its synchronised on dog movement not the impact of the weight.
These traps are pure evil and so very cruel
Yeah thats not the proper wY to set the traps. Should never put your feet on your trapps. Only your hands. How were setting them is how you get fingers caught, especially with the longspring.
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There a lot easier to set with your hands..