White pvc, I think, is schedule 40, you need the more expensive Grey pvc which is schedule 80. The schedule 80 (grey) is made to withstand more pressure. But the thicker walls will reduce air flow some. And use of schedule 80 connection and primer/glue. (Schedule 40 pipes typically have a wall thickness of around 0.109 inches, while Schedule 80 pipes have a wall thickness of about 0.154 inches)
Great video! Just one remark on your archery: "I don't need a full draw for this" is a big misconception. In order to shoot reliable every time you have to be as consistent in what you do as possible. And one point to achieve this is a consistent draw.
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The arrow cannons at the end looked so good. Extremely satisfying to see that wave of arrows rain down. And the spring is so simple and convincing. Same with the "let's just actually shoot them" method, which I wasn't expecting but makes perfect sense and is so nice and simple.
the emporium appeared!! Love your channel too. And couldn't agree more: some of the shots were soooo satisfying to watch. My favourites are the ones poiting downword to the ground in a fixed viewport. And you can see the "wave" of arrows coming in. 🤗 Just so beautiful.
I was there when we used them filming Gladiator in ‘99 I was one of the Roman soldiers at the start. If you watch the opening battle you can see the arrows in bunches launching from tubes behind all the soldiers - we had a load of real archers too at the front. But they must’ve combined it with other visual effects as the arrows went about half the distance they did in the movie.
This is how hollywood became hollywood. Dudes like you had ideas, worked their butts off to make them a reality. Watching the end scene you made had me pumped up. I can't wait to see the things you accomplish in the future!
Well that and $$$. Spending a week on a 5 second scene doesnt scale, unless you throw a lot of people at it, add to that the fact that film and processing was f***ing expensive , yeah hollywood had to go hat in hand to wallstreet to get born. However, with the modern era of DSLRs its in theory possible to do it on a shoestring, if one has enough friends to rope into it.
If he doesn't reply to you, it's officially hopeless to get a reply out of him, lol. Tyler's been grinding away this and *_really_* deserves his big break. You could really help mentor him! Love your work too! I know the power lifter is one project you wish you never took due to its money/view ration. Keep up the great work, both of you!
Not all of these techniques have been lost to CGI yet, just last year we were building pop up arrow rigs for Gladiator 2! Ours were also 3D printed, but they used a RC servo to trip the sear. I enjoyed the video, keep up the good work!
Dude you're showreels look amazing. I'm doing a video on flaming arrows next. Any tips of fuels for the right looking flame? Some that burn a little sooty and some that burn clean?
@@TylerBellMakes It's a long time since I've made any but I remember finding that they almost always go out unless you use some sort of pyrotechnic mix or oxidant (eg. KNO3 + charcoal) in the mix. I have used slow burning PIC (plastic igniter cord) to keep fuel soaked cloth alight successfully, and one thing that does work really well, (and gives lovely sparks) is 000 grade wire wool! Good luck - looking forward to the video!
Absolutely. I had to watch frame by frame because I couldnt believe the first shot was done that way. And: Coool!! A NightHawkInLight! Why am I not surprised 🤗
That shot at the end blocking the arrows was awesome. As someone with zero engineering skill I find it spectacular to see ‘some guy’ just recreating a movie shot in their backyard.
I think this is possibly because you see the crazy stuff all over the place---all the UA-cam creators I've observed seem to have been moving for crazier and crazier stuff, with more you-think-it's-clickbait-but-it's-real type videos. I know that I, for one, have gotten a little too much of the crazy stuff, to the point that simpler things like this feel way cooler because they're rarer, and therefore more special.
@@eliabeck689 Also, there's just something about simple and intuitive mechanisms which just work. They're very satisfying. You can look at something like this and immediately understand exactly how it works and why, but it's just something (most) people don't even put thought into.
We often ignore how complicated some of the mundane things in life actually are. Even the simplest looking of machines still required an immense amount of thought and design.
That's crazy. Unbelievable quality content. It was a recommended video and I thought it's one of those yabbing channels who go on about the things with ''research'' from the internet and wanted to skip to getting hit part, and then I saw this guy makes all the props, reads books to make prototypes and is a real craftsman too. This kind of channels deserve subs and recognition not the people who just copy everything from internet and read it through. If this was on TV I'd ve thought it was a professional production.
the pronged arrow into wood like that looks 100x more convincing in close up shots then anything else. the way you can use smaller pieces of wood to shake with the body to match the shot is perfect.
Thanks for posting about TAoRH! If I remember correctly, according to film historian Rudy Behlmer in the bonus features, the actors had layers of wood and cork under their clothing to stop the arrows. The actors who got shot got paid extra.
Interesting fact that guy use to be a machinist. That career gives you crazy abilities with judging distance by eye. Had a boss that could do it within .002 of an inch
Same for the final scene of Throne of Blood (a Japanese retelling of Macbeth by Akira Kurosawa) Kurosawa was planning to just have the extras shoot at Toshiro Mifune as he was wearing body armor, but Mifune insisted they hire trained archers. If you see the film you will know Mifune was right to get professionals to do the stunt.
Ever since watch Indy Mogul back in the day of early youtube, I've missed seeing people tackle special effects engineering with such whimsy. Great video, build, and infectious energy!
That final shot of the volley of arrows looked great! You nailed it man. Such a cool video, you just got yourself another subscriber sir. Love seeing this kind of practical FX stuff.
12:10 A "well acktually" moment :) thats a wad. A sabot would be a device to adapt a single smaller projectile to fire from a larger more powerful bore. So if you were to use the foam as a spacer to launch one arrow from the air cannon, that would be a sabot. All in all, I LOVE your content, your enthusiasm with special effects builds. I feel like I'm watching Myth Busters all over again. Thank you!
In the modern sense yes, however the first ever "sabot" was a disc of wood behind cannonballs used by the French to get better and more consistent muzzle velocity from their muzzle loader cannons, so whilst I see where you're coming from, uno reverse "aktually" 😂😂
@@CS_Blitzen🤓 "hum akshually", not quite a uno reverse, because your "hum actually" did not contradict the essence of what he said (sabot = single projectile). So let's call that a.. "uno +2 'aktually' " ? 🤣
Why is it that I cannot stop smiling every time I watch one of your videos? You look like you're having so much fun! I enjoy following along and watching all the cool stuff you build
This is why I love old b movies. Just imagining the low budget special effects crew trying to be innovative and push boundaries. So much engineering, physics, and “magic” involved.
I have always wondered how they made arrow practical effects. One of those things that sat unanswered in the back of my mind for the longest time. Thanks for making this illuminating video!
Not me going "please don't split, please don't split", then also screaming at the screen when he didn't use a more skin safe approach and instead made a bunch of tiny wooden spears. 😬
Not to mention that layering like that would actually survive heavy repeated usage, multiple shooting days or multiple projects. Just swap in new padding or wooden outer layers as needed.
It depends on the wood they use, but historical shields were made of wood and they stopped arrows of much higher weight loosed from 12-16x the draw weight. And they can survive many arrow hits. Those also were only a little more than half inch thick. Even his 3 inches is overkill for a 10 pound bow launching something with essentially no arrow heads. The arrow he is firing probably won't even go through a normal coat because the dowel would get stopped by it while the two little nails are too short to reach skin even if it penetrated the coat.
This is so sick! I can’t believe actors used to be literally shot with arrows 😂 Excited to see the indie action movie you eventually make using all the special FX skills you’re learning.
It was so relatable to see you overshoot your target by that much (when he hit the target in the head, when aiming at the torso). Beginners that use the arrowhead as "reticule" often struggle at closer ranges, as they dont take into account where the arrow is actually pointing.
Now that was fun to watch. The part with the arrow on a line was quite interesting never thought about that. From a distance even without cuts it looks quite convincing. The popup system is still in use today in various knife throwing magic tricks.
Howard Hill was renowned as the best archer in the world in the 30s through to the 70s and he made many televised shows. He stood in for Errol FLynn in The Adventures Of Robin Hood for the shooting scenes. He could hit anything. He had a strong bow and shot arrows into wood on top of steel plates worn by actors. Getting shot by Howard meant an extra $100 in your pocket. About 600 in today's money. He could split the arrow but the arrow would not split evently down the shaft so they did end up using a trick arrow. Howard Hill was seen in the shooting contest scene a few feet from Errol FLynn as one of the best contestants. I don't know how good Errol was with a bow but Kevin Costner was good .
Thanks for mentioning Howard Hill. He gave a demo at the archery club my family was in. His skills were jaw-dropping, hitting ever smaller targets at 25 feet and finishing on a quarter, a nickel, and a dime. He also told us some hunting stories and some of his exploits in Hollywood, including the special trick shooting for Errol Flynn. He let the men try out some of the special high-poundage bows he used (most of them couldn't manage a full draw on the really heavy ones) and he explained making bows and arrows. He also displayed a few of his more exotic hunting trophies (I know, I know, but it it wasn't considered an issue in the 1950s). At the end, he signed copies of his book, _Hunting the Hard Way_. I still have ours.
By the way, when he’s talking about the underwhelming sound of archery at 8:10, there is a related story. Ben Burtt was tasked with recording sound effects for Temple of Doom, when you have the showdown at the bridge and the Thugees are shooting arrows across the ravine at the British/Indian troops. He loved the Errol Flynn Robin Hood as a kid, and wanted the beefy arrow sounds from that movie, but was having trouble replicating it. So as he often did when stumped on a sound, he researched the production. Finding out about Howard Hill, whose bow and arrows were made oversized with thicker shafts to go with his large draw and heavy poundage, and hey presto-that’s what made for the iconic sounds.
@@MackerelSkyLtd --- Hill was well-known for his high poundage bows and very thick arrows. At the demo we were at, he explained that he always made the arrows proportionately thicker to suit the higher poundage of the bow they were intended for. As it turned out, he favoured bows of 115 -130 pounds and more, so he usually made thick arrows. His "special" arrows on the display table included some that were 3/8" and more in diameter, and even a steel "arrow" as tall as my father for hunting shark underwater(!) There's a chapter in the book that talks about that. Pop was one of the few who could full-draw Hill's 140-pound bow comfortably but said he wouldn't want to hunt with it for a whole day. Hill also had a bow there that was rated at 160 pounds plus, and Hill made it look easy enough but IIRC nobody managed more than about a half-draw on that beast. So yes, bigger than standard arrows fired from stronger than standard bows were Hill's thing, but for him they were normal. Hill also told about working with Errol Flynn on Robin Hood and some other movies. He and Flynn also went hunting together sometimes. I don't think he ever said if Flynn was much use with a bow.
@sonjay888 solid username. good fengshui. would be even more of a shocker if in addition to a local in the subdivision saw the arrows and they did a follow up fake blood and moulages. Might actually have to call an ambulance. Not for the stunt team, but for the passerby. youtube would demonetize the channel and ban due to blood and gore; Rated R content... so the special effects videos don't go as far as they very well in reality could.
4:35 as someone who does archery, a low poundage might make the actors look more skilled, but it's very noticable that they can draw it back with no effort and the arrow leaves the bow withno force and begins to drop immediately. The whole thing has the effect of making it look like they're playing with toys. Cool video though, especially the effect of the compressed air powered thingy.
I was a Bradley mechanic in the Army for 15 yrs. There's TONS of things I always notice in war movies when you see tanks moving and doing things. Fury is honestly one of the better movies that portrays tanks and their movements. Allot of the armor we still had back in the 90s sounded ALLOT like stuff from WW2. The Australian Arms an Armor museum YT channel does a ton of WW2 tanks and vehicle rebuilds. The engines and sounds were extremely close to the old M60's. But most movies completely get the sound of the tracks and engines wrong. Or the vibration of tanks from a distance like in Saving Private Ryan. The M1 Abrams never sounds the way it should in movies. Because Hollywood always uses mockups and diesel engines. So all you hear is a diesel engine and not the actual turbine sound the Abrams makes. Or that the exhaust of an Abrams can melt glass and scorch paint of a vehicle it's towing. Seen it happen lol because the crew didn't install the exhaust deflector before towing a vehicle. But the average movie goer has zero clue about anything I just said. Or are even clued in to know to look for such things.
@@Soulessdeeds Yeah, was going to say, an expert is always going to pick up on the corners cut in movies for safety, cost, or cool factor. Kinda glad though, it's nice not to get PTSD from my entertainment. Every once in a while you'll get a director who commits to getting things right and I have to walk out.
4:57 if i were to guess, the wood's there to catch the arrow, the metal is there to reinforce and as failsafe in case the spot the arrow hits was quite weak, the wool and leather is likely there for softening the blow and making it more comfortable to wear (padding)
If you change it from fishing line to a coloured string that stands out from everything else, you could chroma key it out and use generative fill, or take 2 shots with the camera following a precise path (with the help of a rail or something), and then overlay the shots to completely remove the strings. Honestly I still think this method is far superior for a more realistic look, but there are ways we can adapt it in post these days to make it look even better. ;)
14:57 If this video has taught me anything it is that that shot may well have been achieved by dropping an arrow down a thin filament line attached to the ground and to a crane or a drone?
I like the direction your channel seems to be going. Recreating practical movie effects looks awesome, and I think its a niche you can definitely grow in
Brilliant, absolutely amazing..........Very impressed with the effort and technical skill you've put into this...... You have single handedly solved nearly 40 years of HOW these effects were achieved back in the day ..... Thank you😊
Yeah. When you watch those old films, you notice that they never chop the arrow short enough. I think they didn't want to go for realism. After all, there was no fake blood either.
Hey man, you are living the dream (kinda) that I had when I was your age, but I had a wife and family at that time and had to provide for the family in a sucky (1980's) job market. This is your first video I saw and I subscribed. I know this is right up my alley. I'm going to go check out the rest of your channel. By the way, I am closer to living my dream. I got into Indie filmmaking in 2006 once my kids grew up and were on their own. That's when I put into practice everything I learned my entire life researching filmmaking. I've learned a ton more since then. But yes, practical effects is a favorite of mine. I originally thought I would be a prop maker when I was a teenager, but now......well.......the fastest way to describe what I do is .......I don't make music. I do ALL the rest. Looking forward to retiring and going to play in the film industry. BTW, I am a Journeyman Toolmaker. Yes, I design, engineer, and machine things into reality that did not exist before; original tools and tooling, modifying existing tooling or automation, improving tools and tooling to work better, last longer, work easier, wear longer, or be easier to replace consumable components. I also weld, draw in AutoCAD (2D and 3D), and more. I'm also looking forward to seeing more of your videos. You do a great job at it too.
This is a very awesome watch, maybe even more so because of your reactions at the results. Especially at the end with the arrow rain. Wonderfull stuff, keep it up!
14:06 - one arrow lands directly on end of the shaft of another arrow and does a flip away. You can hear it too. On second inspection it's more beautiful than once thought. The arrow that hit the end of the other arrow was clear for landing - another arrow traveling much faster shoots past it and embeds itself in the ground right in it's path about 10ms before it hits the end of it.
Thanks for making this vid, it was very informative and fun to watch. I love how practical effects are just like magic tricks, they look so real until you know how they are done.
Dude, hats off to you! Already these effects look great, and your enthusiasm shines through! I was especially impressed the way you whipped up the arrows for the cannons. Keep up the good work! Subbed!
Great video! A rare win for the UA-cam algorithm. I would personally love to see you have a go at forced perspective. Not just miniatures or models but partial sets combined with camera tricks, too. I think one of the best examples is the Lord of the Rings trilogy's methods for showing Hobbits alongside men & elves. So many other great examples, though. There are even other cool techniques like set extensions with matte paintings or mirror cutouts seen in classic films from the 20s and 30s. Some of the shots they were able to compose with these techniques pre-cgi are mind-boggling.
Did you say the name of your stunt double is ... "Tom Bruise" ?! Crap that's hilarious!! Such a cool video and funny too! All the best to you and your channel!!
As tempting as it mist seem to go bigger and bigger and BIGGER with these projects I personally find it so much more interesting to see projects like these, that you don't even really think about, and people had to work around their limitations
It looks and sounds like it and i also thought it was at first, but after stepping thru the video i think it's the first arrow hitting a stone and bouncing back and just happens as the second arrow sticks it's landing. If you go step by step you will see the first arrow bouncing. You can step frame by frame on a YT video by pressing . and ,
In a Danish film from 1997 called Ørnens Øje (Eye of the Eagle) they used spring-mechanisms inside props such as barrels and woodens bars, which would shoot out backwards of the prop and be able to be pushed back in. The back tips of the arrows would have whatever texture the props had to properly hide them and this way they could be re-used over and over, while being compatible with any camera angle, as the mechanism was hidden inside the prop.
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3D printable files for the pop up arrow rig are available at Patreon.com/tylerbellmakes !
12:50 “Hello, I am here to deliver .. uhm.. no, rain hellfire down upon you. Please sign on the dotted line, and initialize on page 2 and 3.”
White pvc, I think, is schedule 40, you need the more expensive Grey pvc which is schedule 80.
The schedule 80 (grey) is made to withstand more pressure. But the thicker walls will reduce air flow some. And use of schedule 80 connection and primer/glue.
(Schedule 40 pipes typically have a wall thickness of around 0.109 inches, while Schedule 80 pipes have a wall thickness of about 0.154 inches)
Great video! Just one remark on your archery: "I don't need a full draw for this" is a big misconception. In order to shoot reliable every time you have to be as consistent in what you do as possible. And one point to achieve this is a consistent draw.
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Wood armor.
That's why it's called "Hollywood"
The arrow cannons at the end looked so good. Extremely satisfying to see that wave of arrows rain down. And the spring is so simple and convincing. Same with the "let's just actually shoot them" method, which I wasn't expecting but makes perfect sense and is so nice and simple.
the emporium appeared!! Love your channel too. And couldn't agree more: some of the shots were soooo satisfying to watch. My favourites are the ones poiting downword to the ground in a fixed viewport. And you can see the "wave" of arrows coming in. 🤗 Just so beautiful.
Aaayyy thought emproium
It was an actual weapon in the 11th century arrow cannons
Are you getting any ideas from this?
I was there when we used them filming Gladiator in ‘99 I was one of the Roman soldiers at the start.
If you watch the opening battle you can see the arrows in bunches launching from tubes behind all the soldiers - we had a load of real archers too at the front. But they must’ve combined it with other visual effects as the arrows went about half the distance they did in the movie.
This is how hollywood became hollywood. Dudes like you had ideas, worked their butts off to make them a reality. Watching the end scene you made had me pumped up. I can't wait to see the things you accomplish in the future!
he had a reference book, incase you missed it. These aren't original ideas.
@@mf.danger9235 They didn't say "original".
@@mmorkinismthey said it like 5 times
Well that and $$$. Spending a week on a 5 second scene doesnt scale, unless you throw a lot of people at it, add to that the fact that film and processing was f***ing expensive , yeah hollywood had to go hat in hand to wallstreet to get born. However, with the modern era of DSLRs its in theory possible to do it on a shoestring, if one has enough friends to rope into it.
@@mindslaw4961 I never said original lol.
This is awesome!!! You gotta come to HERC to play with some of our toys and equipment!
I'm gonna go stand under a bunch of falling arrows so I get an invite as well :P
@@kirill2525 I wonder if that's a question under their hiring practices.
"Have you ever been caught in a volley of arrows?"
If he doesn't reply to you, it's officially hopeless to get a reply out of him, lol.
Tyler's been grinding away this and *_really_* deserves his big break.
You could really help mentor him!
Love your work too! I know the power lifter is one project you wish you never took due to its money/view ration.
Keep up the great work, both of you!
I totally agree
A wild Hacksmith appeared!
It used HERC invite.
It was SUPER effective!
this might be one of the coolest things i have ever seen in the history of ever.
Not all of these techniques have been lost to CGI yet, just last year we were building pop up arrow rigs for Gladiator 2! Ours were also 3D printed, but they used a RC servo to trip the sear. I enjoyed the video, keep up the good work!
Oh sick! Looking forward to that!
Dude you're showreels look amazing. I'm doing a video on flaming arrows next. Any tips of fuels for the right looking flame? Some that burn a little sooty and some that burn clean?
EWW Gladiator 2... EWW!!
@@SicketMogchild
@@TylerBellMakes It's a long time since I've made any but I remember finding that they almost always go out unless you use some sort of pyrotechnic mix or oxidant (eg. KNO3 + charcoal) in the mix. I have used slow burning PIC (plastic igniter cord) to keep fuel soaked cloth alight successfully, and one thing that does work really well, (and gives lovely sparks) is 000 grade wire wool! Good luck - looking forward to the video!
some people are just so smart and find their passion early! incredible to watch someone do something they love!
That spring flipper is the coolest thing! So convincing if you're not looking for it
There is some SERIOUS clout in this UA-cam comments section! We've got NightHawkInLight, The Thought Emporium, and Hacksmith Industries!
@@3nertia I saw AlecSteele in the comments too, lol.
Absolutely. I had to watch frame by frame because I couldnt believe the first shot was done that way. And: Coool!! A NightHawkInLight! Why am I not surprised 🤗
@@3nertia Only Some SloMoGuys and a CorridorCrew missing 😆
@@AgentBanana007 Yeah, I noticed that after but only afterward!
imagine just driving by and seeing this guy making arrow cannons shooting everywhere
That shot at the end blocking the arrows was awesome. As someone with zero engineering skill I find it spectacular to see ‘some guy’ just recreating a movie shot in their backyard.
Tony Stark was able to build this in a cave! With a box of scraps!
Bro all engineering and accomplishments in this video, the sound design alone is incredible
Counterintuitively, this video is arguably more interesting than some of the crazier ones you've done. It's so simple but surprisingly convincing!
I think this is possibly because you see the crazy stuff all over the place---all the UA-cam creators I've observed seem to have been moving for crazier and crazier stuff, with more you-think-it's-clickbait-but-it's-real type videos. I know that I, for one, have gotten a little too much of the crazy stuff, to the point that simpler things like this feel way cooler because they're rarer, and therefore more special.
@@eliabeck689 Also, there's just something about simple and intuitive mechanisms which just work. They're very satisfying. You can look at something like this and immediately understand exactly how it works and why, but it's just something (most) people don't even put thought into.
We often ignore how complicated some of the mundane things in life actually are. Even the simplest looking of machines still required an immense amount of thought and design.
That's crazy. Unbelievable quality content. It was a recommended video and I thought it's one of those yabbing channels who go on about the things with ''research'' from the internet and wanted to skip to getting hit part, and then I saw this guy makes all the props, reads books to make prototypes and is a real craftsman too. This kind of channels deserve subs and recognition not the people who just copy everything from internet and read it through. If this was on TV I'd ve thought it was a professional production.
the pronged arrow into wood like that looks 100x more convincing in close up shots then anything else.
the way you can use smaller pieces of wood to shake with the body to match the shot is perfect.
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@@lukemclellan2141 congratulations...
Never would have thought of the guide filament. Congrats on the millions of views!
practical effects will always be timeless its so cool to see traditional special effects in action
NO CGI! 🤣
I mean, stop motion and kung fu with wires are practical effects and I don't think those are really timeless.
This is genuinely one of the coolest things I've seen in a while
Apparently, in the 1938 film "The Adventures of Robin Hood" they just hired a professional archer to shoot the actors. XD
That would be Howard Hill. Same guy they stopped inviting to the competitions and just named them after him.
His archery feats are still without peer.
Thanks for posting about TAoRH! If I remember correctly, according to film historian Rudy Behlmer in the bonus features, the actors had layers of wood and cork under their clothing to stop the arrows. The actors who got shot got paid extra.
Interesting fact that guy use to be a machinist. That career gives you crazy abilities with judging distance by eye. Had a boss that could do it within .002 of an inch
Same for the final scene of Throne of Blood (a Japanese retelling of Macbeth by Akira Kurosawa) Kurosawa was planning to just have the extras shoot at Toshiro Mifune as he was wearing body armor, but Mifune insisted they hire trained archers. If you see the film you will know Mifune was right to get professionals to do the stunt.
Back when we were allowed to have fun. Now we got OSHA and workplace regulations. Buncha babies
All of those shots came out so good!
Man, more old style practical effects please. They honestly look so much better than CGI when used properly.
recommend any kurosowa film. Man was the master of archery effects
Very rarely I watch a 15 min YT without skipping. Great, entertaining content 👏👏👏
The wooden “plate” has a nice thud to it as well. It would be perfectly acceptable as the base noise for the effect I would think.
It's also a nice sound to aim the sound editor at for synchronization.
This is awesome! Would you ever release the 3D print file for the arrow pop-up rig?
Ever since watch Indy Mogul back in the day of early youtube, I've missed seeing people tackle special effects engineering with such whimsy. Great video, build, and infectious energy!
Dude! What a throwback, I forgot all about that channel. That might have been the first one I actively followed on youtube. Time for nostalgias 😁
Don't come at me for this but I think it is better to use contagious instead of infectious when using the connotation positively.
To quote a Jedi more famous than I once said “no that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time…”
Oh man! Backyard FX! That channel was my childhood! How many times me and my friends tried to make stuff from them and completely failed
This and kipkay, tkor before grant died. My god.
Fascinating stuff! I always wondered how they pulled off those arrow hits so convincingly.
So freaking cool!!
Just watched your awesome steamhammer video! So wholesome 🤗 Great to see you here! 👋
hear me out, arrows made with titanium damascus
That final shot of the volley of arrows looked great! You nailed it man. Such a cool video, you just got yourself another subscriber sir. Love seeing this kind of practical FX stuff.
Missed opportunity to do knee armor so you can tell people about how you used to be an adventurer
This!
Underrated comment!!
Absolutely missed an opportunity.... criminal neglect of a meme right there.
i dont get it 😥
@@harriehausenman8623 Skyrim reference...
14:05 at this exact moment you can see that one of the arrows falls exactly on top of another arrow, what are the chances?
12:10 A "well acktually" moment :) thats a wad. A sabot would be a device to adapt a single smaller projectile to fire from a larger more powerful bore. So if you were to use the foam as a spacer to launch one arrow from the air cannon, that would be a sabot. All in all, I LOVE your content, your enthusiasm with special effects builds. I feel like I'm watching Myth Busters all over again. Thank you!
In the modern sense yes, however the first ever "sabot" was a disc of wood behind cannonballs used by the French to get better and more consistent muzzle velocity from their muzzle loader cannons, so whilst I see where you're coming from, uno reverse "aktually" 😂😂
@CS_Blitzen my well acktually has been well acktuallied! Good to know 😁
@@CS_Blitzen🤓 "hum akshually", not quite a uno reverse, because your "hum actually" did not contradict the essence of what he said (sabot = single projectile). So let's call that a.. "uno +2 'aktually' " ? 🤣
Thanks for the knowledge everyone.
OK. Nerd....
Just joking. Thank you for pointing that out.😁
I love this. So many people take for granted how much work goes into creating practical effects.
Why is it that I cannot stop smiling every time I watch one of your videos? You look like you're having so much fun! I enjoy following along and watching all the cool stuff you build
This is why I love old b movies. Just imagining the low budget special effects crew trying to be innovative and push boundaries. So much engineering, physics, and “magic” involved.
I have always wondered how they made arrow practical effects. One of those things that sat unanswered in the back of my mind for the longest time. Thanks for making this illuminating video!
That's so awesome! I can't even imagine how much time and effort you spent preparing all that.
Even with camera angles and lighting that don't hide anything, this is still looking pretty good.
Amazing this is so simple.
for the bodyarmor if I had to guess the steel and leather is for knife stabs so it can dig into the wood and stop at the steel
What a great project!!! The result from the arrow cannon was SO legit!!
hey! So many awesome creators here 🤗 I already commented that the CorridorCrew is kinda missing here, but that counts 😉
In general, if you want something to not split or crack when you are cutting/puncturing something, perform the action with it submerged in water.
4:56 multiple layers of safety probably make the insurance company happy…
Not me going "please don't split, please don't split", then also screaming at the screen when he didn't use a more skin safe approach and instead made a bunch of tiny wooden spears. 😬
where "happy" means "less expensive" 😄
What's an insurance company?
Not to mention that layering like that would actually survive heavy repeated usage, multiple shooting days or multiple projects. Just swap in new padding or wooden outer layers as needed.
It depends on the wood they use, but historical shields were made of wood and they stopped arrows of much higher weight loosed from 12-16x the draw weight. And they can survive many arrow hits. Those also were only a little more than half inch thick.
Even his 3 inches is overkill for a 10 pound bow launching something with essentially no arrow heads.
The arrow he is firing probably won't even go through a normal coat because the dowel would get stopped by it while the two little nails are too short to reach skin even if it penetrated the coat.
Didn't think I'd enjoy a video like this, this much. I've seen so many budget filming videos but this one just had me engaged throughout the video.
This is so sick! I can’t believe actors used to be literally shot with arrows 😂
Excited to see the indie action movie you eventually make using all the special FX skills you’re learning.
Back in the day (Public Enemy 1931 for example) live ammunition was used.... crazy
It was so relatable to see you overshoot your target by that much (when he hit the target in the head, when aiming at the torso).
Beginners that use the arrowhead as "reticule" often struggle at closer ranges, as they dont take into account where the arrow is actually pointing.
Now that was fun to watch.
The part with the arrow on a line was quite interesting never thought about that.
From a distance even without cuts it looks quite convincing.
The popup system is still in use today in various knife throwing magic tricks.
i think actual missiles back then also used wire to hit what they want to hit
@@naiknaik8812 do you mean tow missiles? They are controlled by a wire to steer them into the target. Quite a different technology than this tho
Howard Hill was renowned as the best archer in the world in the 30s through to the 70s and he made many televised shows. He stood in for Errol FLynn in The Adventures Of Robin Hood for the shooting scenes. He could hit anything. He had a strong bow and shot arrows into wood on top of steel plates worn by actors. Getting shot by Howard meant an extra $100 in your pocket. About 600 in today's money. He could split the arrow but the arrow would not split evently down the shaft so they did end up using a trick arrow. Howard Hill was seen in the shooting contest scene a few feet from Errol FLynn as one of the best contestants. I don't know how good Errol was with a bow but Kevin Costner was good .
Thanks for mentioning Howard Hill. He gave a demo at the archery club my family was in. His skills were jaw-dropping, hitting ever smaller targets at 25 feet and finishing on a quarter, a nickel, and a dime.
He also told us some hunting stories and some of his exploits in Hollywood, including the special trick shooting for Errol Flynn. He let the men try out some of the special high-poundage bows he used (most of them couldn't manage a full draw on the really heavy ones) and he explained making bows and arrows. He also displayed a few of his more exotic hunting trophies (I know, I know, but it it wasn't considered an issue in the 1950s).
At the end, he signed copies of his book, _Hunting the Hard Way_. I still have ours.
By the way, when he’s talking about the underwhelming sound of archery at 8:10, there is a related story. Ben Burtt was tasked with recording sound effects for Temple of Doom, when you have the showdown at the bridge and the Thugees are shooting arrows across the ravine at the British/Indian troops. He loved the Errol Flynn Robin Hood as a kid, and wanted the beefy arrow sounds from that movie, but was having trouble replicating it. So as he often did when stumped on a sound, he researched the production. Finding out about Howard Hill, whose bow and arrows were made oversized with thicker shafts to go with his large draw and heavy poundage, and hey presto-that’s what made for the iconic sounds.
@@MackerelSkyLtd --- Hill was well-known for his high poundage bows and very thick arrows. At the demo we were at, he explained that he always made the arrows proportionately thicker to suit the higher poundage of the bow they were intended for. As it turned out, he favoured bows of 115 -130 pounds and more, so he usually made thick arrows. His "special" arrows on the display table included some that were 3/8" and more in diameter, and even a steel "arrow" as tall as my father for hunting shark underwater(!) There's a chapter in the book that talks about that.
Pop was one of the few who could full-draw Hill's 140-pound bow comfortably but said he wouldn't want to hunt with it for a whole day. Hill also had a bow there that was rated at 160 pounds plus, and Hill made it look easy enough but IIRC nobody managed more than about a half-draw on that beast.
So yes, bigger than standard arrows fired from stronger than standard bows were Hill's thing, but for him they were normal.
Hill also told about working with Errol Flynn on Robin Hood and some other movies. He and Flynn also went hunting together sometimes. I don't think he ever said if Flynn was much use with a bow.
@ amazing to hear these stories-thank you for sharing!
Came here to say this
That final scene with it all put together was pretty smooth!
Probably one of the best videos i‘ve seen this year. Amazing stuff!
Practical effects are legit so cool and creative
7:11 a guy looking from afar is probably shocked right now seeing a person getting shot by an arrow
@sonjay888 solid username. good fengshui.
would be even more of a shocker if in addition to a local in the subdivision saw the arrows and they did a follow up fake blood and moulages. Might actually have to call an ambulance. Not for the stunt team, but for the passerby.
youtube would demonetize the channel and ban due to blood and gore; Rated R content...
so the special effects videos don't go as far as they very well in reality could.
4:35 as someone who does archery, a low poundage might make the actors look more skilled, but it's very noticable that they can draw it back with no effort and the arrow leaves the bow withno force and begins to drop immediately. The whole thing has the effect of making it look like they're playing with toys.
Cool video though, especially the effect of the compressed air powered thingy.
as someone who does not, i cant tell if i dont look for it
"Look convincing to the unkeen eye" 4:20
The majority of people can't tell and no one is making actors draw stronger bows for the few dozen who notice
I was a Bradley mechanic in the Army for 15 yrs. There's TONS of things I always notice in war movies when you see tanks moving and doing things. Fury is honestly one of the better movies that portrays tanks and their movements. Allot of the armor we still had back in the 90s sounded ALLOT like stuff from WW2. The Australian Arms an Armor museum YT channel does a ton of WW2 tanks and vehicle rebuilds. The engines and sounds were extremely close to the old M60's. But most movies completely get the sound of the tracks and engines wrong. Or the vibration of tanks from a distance like in Saving Private Ryan. The M1 Abrams never sounds the way it should in movies. Because Hollywood always uses mockups and diesel engines. So all you hear is a diesel engine and not the actual turbine sound the Abrams makes. Or that the exhaust of an Abrams can melt glass and scorch paint of a vehicle it's towing. Seen it happen lol because the crew didn't install the exhaust deflector before towing a vehicle. But the average movie goer has zero clue about anything I just said. Or are even clued in to know to look for such things.
@@Soulessdeeds Yeah, was going to say, an expert is always going to pick up on the corners cut in movies for safety, cost, or cool factor.
Kinda glad though, it's nice not to get PTSD from my entertainment. Every once in a while you'll get a director who commits to getting things right and I have to walk out.
I agree, If it were realistic you most likely would never see the arrow as it passed through the target and stuck in the ground behind it.
4:57 if i were to guess, the wood's there to catch the arrow, the metal is there to reinforce and as failsafe in case the spot the arrow hits was quite weak, the wool and leather is likely there for softening the blow and making it more comfortable to wear (padding)
First of all, this is the first I've heard of how they did these effects. Secondly, your barrage shots at the end looked really good!
0:34 Now, I understand why the arrow shake side way when you are shot in movie.
It could also realistically be the force and angle an arrow would actually hit
I'm shocked about how underated this channel actually is!
Awesome work man, love it 👍
the individual effects were cool enough, but the way everything came together at the very end was really amazing
I can't wait until your channels huge and you get one of those "no budget" sponsors that help you make the truck flip a reality!
Great video....laughed out loud several times and loved the concept and production !! Well done !! More like this please !!
If you change it from fishing line to a coloured string that stands out from everything else, you could chroma key it out and use generative fill, or take 2 shots with the camera following a precise path (with the help of a rail or something), and then overlay the shots to completely remove the strings. Honestly I still think this method is far superior for a more realistic look, but there are ways we can adapt it in post these days to make it look even better. ;)
This was great. Not only informative, but entertaining and funny. Keep it up!
14:57 If this video has taught me anything it is that that shot may well have been achieved by dropping an arrow down a thin filament line attached to the ground and to a crane or a drone?
I like the direction your channel seems to be going. Recreating practical movie effects looks awesome, and I think its a niche you can definitely grow in
The quality of the content on this channel just goes up and up ❤
This is my first video of yours, so you easily deserve a sub. Genuinely hyped to see everything else you built
Brilliant, absolutely amazing..........Very impressed with the effort and technical skill you've put into this...... You have single handedly solved nearly 40 years of HOW these effects were achieved back in the day ..... Thank you😊
This video was really cool! I loved seeing the little edited clips together at the end so you can see it all come together!
the outtakes are hilarious! kudos to all the work you put into this. great stuff man.
Impressive. The flight of numerous arrows at the end of the video works well for soil aeration.
The arrows should be shorter implying that the arrow is inside the body
Great Observation
Yeah. When you watch those old films, you notice that they never chop the arrow short enough. I think they didn't want to go for realism. After all, there was no fake blood either.
There would be noo blood untill the arrow was ripped out
@@nicoach1817 Oh, there would be a little, at least. Maybe not immediately, though.
12:31 Okay but the sound of the arrows hitting was so much better than the realistic bow draw let down
5:53 Tom Bruise got me xDD
The prefect alter ego name of Tom Cruise since he always gets out alive.
He does his own stunts.
Man I love your channel. Cannot wait to see what the future looks like. Amazing video!
Hey man, you are living the dream (kinda) that I had when I was your age, but I had a wife and family at that time and had to provide for the family in a sucky (1980's) job market. This is your first video I saw and I subscribed. I know this is right up my alley. I'm going to go check out the rest of your channel.
By the way, I am closer to living my dream. I got into Indie filmmaking in 2006 once my kids grew up and were on their own. That's when I put into practice everything I learned my entire life researching filmmaking. I've learned a ton more since then.
But yes, practical effects is a favorite of mine. I originally thought I would be a prop maker when I was a teenager, but now......well.......the fastest way to describe what I do is .......I don't make music. I do ALL the rest.
Looking forward to retiring and going to play in the film industry. BTW, I am a Journeyman Toolmaker. Yes, I design, engineer, and machine things into reality that did not exist before; original tools and tooling, modifying existing tooling or automation, improving tools and tooling to work better, last longer, work easier, wear longer, or be easier to replace consumable components. I also weld, draw in AutoCAD (2D and 3D), and more.
I'm also looking forward to seeing more of your videos. You do a great job at it too.
Really cool dude that you re so creative and live it 😊☺️🎉🎊
This is a very awesome watch, maybe even more so because of your reactions at the results. Especially at the end with the arrow rain. Wonderfull stuff, keep it up!
Its wild how convincing those pop up arrows look from the right angle. SFX is so cool when its revealed to be so simple
14:06 - one arrow lands directly on end of the shaft of another arrow and does a flip away. You can hear it too.
On second inspection it's more beautiful than once thought. The arrow that hit the end of the other arrow was clear for landing - another arrow traveling much faster shoots past it and embeds itself in the ground right in it's path about 10ms before it hits the end of it.
9:27 that shot was sick!
Came down here to say that
Thanks for making this vid, it was very informative and fun to watch. I love how practical effects are just like magic tricks, they look so real until you know how they are done.
Great job! I love practical effects. If you can find it, there used to be a show called movie magic that explains tons of these things.
Dude, hats off to you! Already these effects look great, and your enthusiasm shines through! I was especially impressed the way you whipped up the arrows for the cannons. Keep up the good work! Subbed!
This was a really cool video. I also love the enthusiasm.
This was the first video I've seen from this channel. Instant subscribe
Great video! A rare win for the UA-cam algorithm.
I would personally love to see you have a go at forced perspective. Not just miniatures or models but partial sets combined with camera tricks, too. I think one of the best examples is the Lord of the Rings trilogy's methods for showing Hobbits alongside men & elves. So many other great examples, though. There are even other cool techniques like set extensions with matte paintings or mirror cutouts seen in classic films from the 20s and 30s.
Some of the shots they were able to compose with these techniques pre-cgi are mind-boggling.
This is one of the coolest videos I've sever seen on UA-cam!
Did you say the name of your stunt double is ... "Tom Bruise" ?!
Crap that's hilarious!!
Such a cool video and funny too! All the best to you and your channel!!
I had no intention of watching this video, but you kept my attention. So very cool, and well done at the end!
7:38 that will make any kid that's been hit in the shin, wince in pain.😮😂
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My guy Tyler is making a comeback this is on pace to be his most watched upload. Quite informative and well deserved views.
This must be the most over the top way to air ate grass and I can’t stop thinking about that 😂🤦♂️ 13:30
14:27 I got goosebumps watching this whole sequence, that was so much fun to watch. I'm glad I just found your channel! Subscribed!
"Lets give it a shot on tom bru..." HEADSHOT
Man, this is amazing, greetings from Brazil.
6:22 “I’ve only been shooting this bow for about a month “ , proceeds with direct head shot 😂😂😂😂
As tempting as it mist seem to go bigger and bigger and BIGGER with these projects I personally find it so much more interesting to see projects like these, that you don't even really think about, and people had to work around their limitations
Flame arrows next ?
@@retrosim4197 👀
Wow that final arrow shot was amazing
14:03 You hit a Robin Hood with the hail of arrows. You can hear and see an arrow hit the back and bounce off of one that landed
It looks and sounds like it and i also thought it was at first, but after stepping thru the video i think it's the first arrow hitting a stone and bouncing back and just happens as the second arrow sticks it's landing. If you go step by step you will see the first arrow bouncing. You can step frame by frame on a YT video by pressing . and ,
@@Fruktzdang I’m on a phone! I wish those shuttle controls existed on mobile.
In a Danish film from 1997 called Ørnens Øje (Eye of the Eagle) they used spring-mechanisms inside props such as barrels and woodens bars, which would shoot out backwards of the prop and be able to be pushed back in. The back tips of the arrows would have whatever texture the props had to properly hide them and this way they could be re-used over and over, while being compatible with any camera angle, as the mechanism was hidden inside the prop.
"I used to be an adventurer like you. Then I took an arrow in the plywood..."
Came here for that exact comment. Was not disappointed!
This is really, really neat! I love your low-budget solutions.
14:22 aw :( I was quietly hoping one would nail the camera 😆