I totally agree with Jess why wouldn't you expect a fairly expensive specific tool to do the job it is labeled to do without to much additional effort. Stay safe and keep up the great videos.
I expect Weight is the issue. For a nail gun to replace the contribution of the operator, it would probably need to be heavier. So that when the nail is forced into the timber, the reaction is countered by mere gravity. That’s probably *too* much weight.
@@frankblack1481 But most nails are driven horizontally. Weight would provide inertia. But one of the best nail guns was the pneumatic, which was the lightest.
I bought this nail gun as we were planning to renew all the fencing in our back garden. As this involved 19 double slatted fence panels, 10 of which needed to be cut down in size, we knew there would be a need for a great ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxHQsUrwNr5GQrnx9V4xDdUr56qxwuiBHt deal of re-stapling the wooden slats to the wooden framework. Each alteration required the re-stapling of 62 wooden slats with double staples. Prior to starting the work we ordered sufficient additional staples as per the instructions with the gun.The gun performed fantastically throughout the entire project with no jams of misfires. The adjustable power was excellent allowing the staples to be fired into the 8mm slats to the correct depth. For the price paid this was a bargain and it proved itself to be so reliable and versatile making an arduous task much quicker and professional. I cannot recommend this product highly enough and it will be used on many other projects in the future.
I’m a framer up here in Canada and I’ve had experiences with all of these as well except the Airbow of course. Started off with air powered nailers and still use them for building walls and things that use a lot of nails. They are by far the fastest and the cordless ones are just too slow for walls. For floor joists and trusses I prefer cordless, started with the paslode but was very inconsistent, it just needed too much maintenance. Switched over to Hitachi, I loved it but the once winter rolled around it would not work. Next was Dewalt since most of our tools are dewalt. You get used to the motor and it’s a good nailer (shitty hook though) but nailing into lvl or through gussets causes it to jam and after a couple times it requires maintenance. It worked great in the winter though. I now have a Milwaukee and it’s by far the heaviest but also the fastest of the cordless and the most powerful. Haven’t used it in the winter yet but some buddies of mine have it as well and have had no problems.
Great video I'm in the US and DeWalt was kind of the first battery powered framing nailers got one loved it I do a lot of small things so if I don't have to drag out a compressor hose and a cord I'm happy got there 15 gauge angled nailer love it and I've got all the air guns too but like I said most of my stuff is small so it's nice not having to drag out a compressor
I recently switched to a Milwaukee and I absolutely love it. I’m a renovations carpenter so we don’t always need a nail gun but when we do I love how easy and convenient it is to just grab the gun and go. I will say though, there is no battery or gas gun on the market that is as light and can shoot as fast/ consistent a good quality pneumatic nailer.
Just bought a 15 ga milwaukee gun. Company has a few and just had to have my own I loved it so much. Perfect for nailing pvc trim. No hose and very consistent strikes.
Hi Scott, Senco was my first and has been my only framing gun, using an air line and it weighs a ton. But it shoots through anything. That was over 20 years ago now and it just keeps going, I oil each day and I've only had serviced once. Love your vid's Thank you and Jess for all the work. Cheers
Same. Serviced once. Still going strong. Farking heavy. Every time I use someone else's Paslode, I have problems with it. I have been looking at them for decades but am yet to be convinced. I think they were about two grand when they first came out.
Quite common that people don’t set the tools correctly. The Dewalt has two settings for power. The first one is the switch which shows 1 or 2. In this video was set to 1, which means low power. The second setting is sequential/bump mode. When shooting long nails, you want it in sequential mode and power level “2”, that’s when it will properly shoot long nails. In bump mode, the power is lower with respect to sequential mode.
Regardless they are shit. I have dozens of great DeWalt tools which I love, but you couldn't pay me to use their nailers, or track saw, or planer. M18 track saw with DeWalt battery, M18 nailers with DeWalt batteries, makita grease gun and planer with DeWalt batteries. No loyalty to any brand, will not knowingly buy bad or non-best tools just because of the battery. Luckily all the high vibration stuff adaptors are no good on are great tools in DeWalt. DeWalt batteries are the best. M18 second. Have 4 CEENR packs in the mail for the non DeWalt tools too.
Thanks for this video. I have always wondered about the different styles of nailers. As a novice woman builder I loved that Jess tried it out. Her reaction was similar to what I feel mine would be.
I really don't think her reaction is unreasonable for anyone. they're very loud and sound like they can hurt you, because, well, they really can. My brother had a similar, just slightly more reserved reaction to mine. She's also not wrong that the milwaukee is HEAVY. I use mine only occasionally, and the lack of a compressor makes the milwaukee nailer make sense for me, but if I used a nail gun all day, every day, the cordless compressor/good pneumatic gun combo would be my recommendation. Don't beat up your body trying to be macho in this trade, it's great you're a woman builder, my daughter may very well join you in that title one day, but take care of your body, plenty of guys ruin theirs doing this.
All of my framing guns are 30 years old. I bought Paslode when they first came out here in the U.S. I tried to give it away recently, without luck. At least with a compressor you can up the pressure and get nails to sink properly. Gas-battery guns came out in the last couple years of my contacting career. Very handy, but weak as all-around tools on a typical job site. Having a gun on your hip with a synthetic tank of compressed air seems like a disaster waiting to happen. At this point, all of the projects I'm involved in, which isn't a lot, frankly, are put together with fancy-dancy screws that are designed to be seen (the heads, at least). The biggest problem with nail guns, if you screw up something, and have to pull out all of the nails you peppered your work with, you'll be swearing up a storm afterwards, whereas if you screwed the work together, taking those speciality screws out of the wood is easy-peasy.
I started out with a pneumatic nail gun at school but as a self employed carpenter without a drivers license that was not an option any more and I hated the bloody hose that other people tripped on or got in the way so I bought a Ryobi nailer as that was the only one I could afford but that one had issues with the "firing pin" (pin that hit the nails to fire). after it breaking twice without me doing anything wrong I did not have a nailer for a couple months and then through a lot of luck with a apprentice ship they bought me a new milwaukee battery nailer and that thing is just heaven. it works when ever you need it, rarely jams and yes it is heavy but it gets the job done and it has the most satisfying sound i ever heard.
This is super interesting because in the U.S. we still use pneumatic guns mainly. And honestly if you can afford a compressor and the gun I would highly recommend them. Max framer, Hikoki, Senco, Paslode, Etc. All make fantastic guns that are fairly cheap compared to what you can build with them. I do currently own the milwaukee battery gun for little jobs like you said. But at the end of the day you just can't beat the pneumatics yet. Maybe when they shave the weight off the battery guns they could become the main nailers.
I talked to building framing contractors working on the housing development we bought in. They all have 5 or 6 pneumatic nailers but in cold weather they usually have a few in for repairs. Ice buildup in the cold weather breaks the head mechanism. I have seen more battery units this fall (2022) so I am guessing that is the new trend.
@@normferguson2769 Ya the cold is super hard on the peumatics but the battery guns struggle as well from my experience. Batterys are not fond of the cold.
Love my pneumatic metabo hpt/hitachi as 4.9 lbs and 2 strips nails and great for production framing and overhead framing. Metabo hpt strap nailer/metal connector 36v is nice, heavy, but nice. Than have my Milwaukee for when my metabo hpt/hitachi 18v/36v nailer can’t sink nails in materials (usually stud pack of LvL or similar and doesn’t happen often, and run this gun more than Milwaukee is b/c my 1st & 2nd guns, easy to get parts and refill air inside gun (newer guns don’t need this but older battery nailers do after many many nails gone thru; and takes 5 mins). So, if doing any work overhead I get small compressor out (100 psi max 1.5-2 gal) and use pneumatic as light and easy! To use, along w/ framing up a lot of stuff. If getting into crawl spaces or not so much framing, it’s battery nailer, as taking a hose up/under house is never fun, and gets in way very quick….so battery all way here. So yep, hav8ng a pneumatic and battery is good if in trades and do lots of projects and diff types of materials, if diy/homeowners I’d say if 8n platform get that battery nailer, or if money an issue and have compressor go pneumatic as can go thru any material and light. Cheers✌🏻
I 'retired' in March 2021 knowing that I had about twenty years of significant projects and property / house maintenance that I needed to do, including 50+ metres of wooden fences that needed to be replaced, as well as some building work that was going to involve framing etc. I also wanted an air compressor in my workshop. Up until now I had most recently gone down the DeWalt path with my battery tools. The DeWalt nailer did not have very good reviews so I initially purchased the Hikoki battery version. I realised really quickly that it is quite weighty for my aged shoulders, though better balanced than the DeWalt. Thankfully I was able to return it, and purchase the compressed air version. As most of my work is going to be on the one site, that works, and I am much happier with the weight of it. I have about 50 metres of air hose.
I've got the DeWalt, mainly as I've bought into that system, and it was cheap 2nd hand. Have found it's powerful enough for most jobs once you learn how to use it. You have to let it ramp up enough, but not too much, and press down a bit. And the first few fires after an extended holiday are always weak, as if the friction wheel/plate needs to condition. After a few fires it's ready for hard woods. I use it with 5AH batteries as that's what I have.
The Dewalt has two power settings settings. The first one is the switch which shows 1 or 2. In this video was set to 1, which means low power. The second setting is sequential/bump mode. Sequential has more power than bump mode. When shooting long nails, you want it in sequential mode and power level “2”, that’s when it will properly shoot long nails.
I agree with Jess the overall best performer is Milwaukee framer, it works perfect for our reno work we do nailing into old pine and native timber. We also have the Paslode and Hikoki and an air Frame-Pro. I also used Paslode, Hikoki and air Paslode finishing guns but the best one is my recently purchased 15g Milwaukee angle brader, that thing is awesome.
@@gkoshinsky the Milwaukee framer has been good. Had the gun for about 1 1/5 years but don't use it all the time just when we need the power. The Milwaukee finisher is only about 1 month old. But I did need to get both Hikoki guns regassed under warranty.
For handyman work I've been using Milwaukee nailers - 23ga, 18ga, 16ga, and 15ga - for last several years and have been very pleased with results and performance. They larger ga nailers can be a bit burdensome if working overhead for several hours vs. using a pneumatic nailer. Rarely use pneumatic but occasionally resort to it if my shoulder is acting up. I do find pneumatic stapler a better choice for cabinet building. Easier to maneuver. I've tried DeWalt and found not as good as Milwaukee. So far I haven't had any issues with my battery powered nailers.
Thanks Scotty & Jess I have 22 power tools but none of them is a Nail Gun. Do I need a Nail gun ? of course I do . My next buy will be a nail gun. I do think if you have existing range of battery tools then it seems sensible to keep the same brand. The battery powered garden tools also fit into this category. Because I have purchase my battery tools over a number of years I have 5 different battery chargers, not ideal. I have a charging bench set up for all these use a glass bench top as fire is your enemy here as a damaged battery becomes a fire hazard. Thanks again Scotty.
+1 on a Makita, but 18v! 😊 I’m using the Hitachi 18v, now Hikoki. On 2.0E LVL in Canada it does extremely well even with galvanized ring shank nails. Granted mine has surely shot fewer nails than yours has. The Hikoki is quite a bit cheaper than the Milwaukee in Canada as well, so that’s something, but if you’re already on team Red that’s the one that makes sense. It’s no surprise Milwaukee “nailed it” after benchmarking the Hitachi for what, 4 years? 😊
Makita opened the door to Milwaukee for tools by not having a nail gun. I may have gone and bought some of their 20V platform if they had that or stuck with the 18V platform entirely. But because I needed a framing nailer and Milwaukee's are so damned nice I now have one of those and 2 of their batteries plus a charger. And anyone who uses tools knows that the battery platform you are invested in dictates the brand of tools you buy. I now have both platforms.
As a DIYer. I chose to go a simpler/less expensive rout. I bought a regulator for my paintball air tank and a 3 ft whip from flexzilla and I basically have something similar to the airbow. Benefit is that I can use the tank to power any pneumatic nailer I have and get white a few shots out of my 4k PSI tank. For a large job I just use my air compressor
I've seen a guy on UA-cam do that as well.. It seems like such a no brainer.. But I'm guessing you need a compressor and tank that holds way more than the usual 120psi or so right?
@@mikegilberg8776 Yes, a new paintball tank which is fiber wrapped can hold up to 4000 psi, with a common size being about 68 cu inches. To me it looks like that’s the size the airbow is using. I get my tank filled at my local paintball shop for free and I just store it as my “battery”. If I need to drive a couple nails here and there I use the small tank and whip combo. I just couldn’t justify replacing my conventional framer, 15ga nailer, pin nailer all for well over 1000 dollars for battery versions when I don’t use them as much outside a shop environment. You can find used paintball tanks on marketplace all the time just be mindful that they need to be tested every 5 years and last a total of 15. So if you buy one second hand make sure it’s a newer one. The regulator I purchased on Amazon was the Interstate Pneumatics WRCO2.
I run the Milwaukee 21 degree framer with the extended magazine and it works great. Gets heavy but I’m 6’3” (1905 mm) 300 lbs (136 kg), so it doesn’t affect me like it would someone else. I just framed all day today building kiosks with 12 foot 2x4’s and I ran my nailer all damn day on a single 3 ah hp battery. Probably did 1000 nails. The extended magazine will hold 3 racks of nails, which is really nice, and it helps to balance the weight. Like carrying a bucket filled with water… easier to carry two of them. Adds weight, but balances
I brought the hikoki because you and a few others had used them, I'm just a hobbyist, works really well for me so far. It's the best because not dragging around compressor
Hi there Scott. I appreciate the continuous videos and educational aspect tied into them. From my experience in NY, I learned carpentry framing starting out using an air nailer. It is my more preferred nailer as it is a bit lighter, I am comfortable with it, am able to use the hose to lower/raise the gun if working from heights and feel it is reliable. I suppose it is a case by case basis and is an overall good practice to have a variety. For example, if you only need to nail something off quick, a battery nailer I could see myself using. Keep up the good work Scott!
I've been a carpenter for 3 years now in the states working on remodels and such. Having used Milwaukee fuel products all my career this far it makes so much sense to get the m18 nailer for when you need to frame something for not too long and don't need to pull an air compressor out. plus their warranty policy is fantastic. i can deal with the weight as long as if im not framing all day
Hello Scot and Jess, Hose nail gun Makita, still got it. Then got a paslode and now I own a Hikoki, love the Hikoki just a little loud. Awesome vids I watch every week!!
Hi there, Awesome Framers (just North of here, and another great channel) did a review where it pretty much boiled down to: weight. Fair enough, especially if you are framing out a house and that is what you are setting up for then a hundred billion nells later and the weight is all there is. I am tooled up with Milwaukee batteries, and am not a framer, so their framing neller was an obvious choice when I am doing remodel and etc. I have their 18g, the 18g stapler (put up a t&g cedar ceiling with it) and the 21g pin gun which all are quick and easy for finish/trim carpentry; the huge advantage for me is I still don't have or need a compressor. Yes a big bang when you throw a nell, No not the continuous drone of a compressor and when you work in occcupied spaces this is a big big advantage. Thanks and try American cheese on a burger it is the only thing it's good for, true, but it is really good at it.
our company both owns Air and battery powered nail gun. We use both, in different situation. If we're on a roof, the battery is the obvious winner, but if we're near the trailer, we use air powered nailler. We used milwaukee and metabo( Hikoki), they are both good, but the Hikoki seems to fail after only a couple years of heavy work, the milwaukee seems to last longer
We used a paslode, but if we have alot to do will get the pneumatic makita out. We also run a pneumatic ppn nailer and Pneumatic 18g/23g second fix guns. The reliability and consistency of the pneumatic’s is worth the minor inconvenience of the hose and compressor in my opinion.
I can really appreciate the effort you go to with your videos. They’re such good quality with your filming and editing. I don’t know how you find time to do it? You must be none stop working. I’ve only made a small handful of videos and I struggle finding time for that and they are poor in comparison to yours. So hats off to you Scott well done!
I use pneumatic nailers - the hose and compressor is a small price to pay for the power and low purchase price of the nailers. I picked up a 3 gun combo from Bunnings (Ryobi Airwave set, came with a framing nailer, finishing nailer and a stapler) for $299 and they've been great tools. That's less than half the price for a single battery nailer.
@@DiscoFang well yes, if you don't already have one. I already had one for my mechanics air tools. But even so, a compressor is versatile - air tools, nailers, spray guns, pumping up tyres or sports balls.
I have the Dewalt, 18V 5amp bat and works great I use 9mm nails, its heavy to carry all day, I am DIYer, build a whole deck with it and worked perfectly.
I have the 36v new Metabo HPT framing nailer and that slaps harder than Will Smith. I am very curious about makitas 40v framing nailer. Hopefully Tools and Stuff Will have some news soon
I bought into the Milwaukee community many years ago and have a pin nailer, among other things, but for framing I have a pneumatic and a cheap compressor. I bought a long hose, so it reaches anywhere in the house, while the compressor stays in the basement. As you can imagine I don't do a lot of framing, but I also use a pneumatic brad nailer quite a lot.
I only do stuff renovating at home, so i have the hikoki air nailer, and just love it. It is the most powerful nailer on the market according to the project farm youtube channel, is ridiculously light, and always fires nails in fully with very little effort.
I love my metabo pneumatic nailer super light and bought a quiet compressor so i can take inside. I actually went the opposite way of most people I started with battery powered nail guns and got tired of dead batteries(my fault i don’t charge often) and switched to all aire powered nail guns. Also cordless miter and table saws and switched to corded. I still bust out my battery powered nailers if i only need to shoot a rack or 2 of nails but if im using it all day 100% pneumatic is coming out and never have to worry about a dead battery.
I have an older Paslode framing nailer which has always worked great, but I also have a couple of Hitachi/Hikoki finish nailers (and a Bostich air framing nailer) which I really like, and I've been thinking of upgrading. Thing is, I almost never use it, so whether it is worth it or not is an open question - kinda a luxury. The biggest thing for me is repeat and short cycle time, plus battery platform - right now I'm on Hitachi/Metabo, Makita and Milwaukee M12, with Makita for construction and M12 for automotive - Metabo is mostly nailers, but I have their big boy 1/2 impact. I don't need yet another battery platform.
I have a Bostitch N88 that is getting old, but stunningly reliable with good power. Later I bought a Senco FramePro 325 XP which was not my favourite gun, but it served me well with reasonable power until I dropped it on concrete from a great height 2 months ago. I also have 2 Metabo's (Hikoki) that work great and are light, but if you hit a gang plate or something hard, it's common for the driver pin to ride up over the head or the nail and jam it. I recently bought a cordless gun, the Metabo/Hikoki. A bit heavy, but it fires really well. But I only use it for random spot jobs. For most of the framing I do, I'll never give up the air guns, despite the hose. The power and speed is much superior.
I started as a part time handyman 30 yrs ago. So I'm very old school with all pneumatic guns. Mostly Senco, some Bostitch . Framer to staples . I don't work them hard so they've held up well.
on the nail gun by DeWalt there are two modes of operation, I noticed that the mode switch was on the number 1, and for those nails that were in the nail, mode 2 is needed
When you showed the Dewalt failing to sink nails into the LVL you had it on the '1' setting which is the low power setting for soft wood / short nails to save battery. Its still not the best nailgun but it is by far the cheapest non air option as its usually 550-600 ish with battery and charger and seems to work fine in my experience.
With all the new technology around nailers, I still use an electric air compressor and hose for framing and finishing. They're consistent, inexpensive and when you learn to leave the compressor in the truck/trailer the noise is never a problem. The only thing that gets me is rolling up 200' of air line at the end of each day. I've been very tempted to buy cordless nailers but still don't see the benefits until they reduce the size and weight. Great video as always, keep them coming!
Hey Scott, I ended up with the Hitachi (U.S.) to replace my Paslode I had for years, and I've been kicking myself for not getting the Milwaukee. This thing is too heavy for anything other than a quick/small job, which is pretty much all I do anymore. I'd hate to have to use it all day on a jobsite. It only holds 27 nails, and after using 23 of 'em, it quits. Need to put in another strip. I do like not needing a hose and compressor though. I'm with Jess on the idea that when you buy a tool to do a job, it needs to do that job, or it's not as helpful as it should be. Jess, yet another smooth segue. 👍
@@papadave9061 I just bought my DeWalt and tested them all. The most important thing for me was the gun balance because I have 2 tennis elbow. I eliminated the Milwaukee right off the bat because it wants to go downwards when held at 90. The Metabo/Hitachi/Hikoki was not bad at all, but a little more tip heavy. The Dewalt is slightly heavier but the balance was the best when held at 90, it was surprising. After using to frame my home addition, I can safely say that it handles framing really well and it has no issues with LVLs.
I use to use a Paslode (no longer have it) as well as use to use a hose pneumatic but that use to belong to the company I worked for at the time, I now have the Hitachi Framing & Brad nailers as well as AEG Framing and brad... the thing I like about the AEG framer is you just pick it up and fire unlike the Hitachi which you have to switch on and it turns off too quickly... both good nailers tho....
DHG here, thanks for another great vid, Scott brown. I have the DeWalt and all my other battery tools are DeWalt so I'm stuck with it. however,I've found it to be good so far.
I use Hikoki. I find here in Aus the old hardwood framing in houses is so dry and brittle, the framing nailers just blow it apart. I have the Hikoki wound down and generally use it in treated pine framing. I have to drill and screw the old hardwood framing.
Got the 1st gen DeWalt broke it with-in first 3 months got fixed broke again. It’s nice as a back up but i ended up getting an air Hitachi and it’s rock solid no issues.
Originally brought air framing and bradder (never actually used the framing), then changed to Paslode because having hose and compressor was a hassle. Year ago working with friends they had Dwalt and Hikoki battery framers, by the end of week I had a Hikoki framer. Hikoki is great working on renovations with Rimu framing, fully sinks 90mm nails. Brought a Metabo (Hikoki) 15ga from US, also great. Haven't looked back, no jams, no misfires, no maintenance like the Paslode, cheaper nails - all bonuses.
First fix I have a Hitachi NR90GC2 15g and for all other second fix tasks is both Ryobi 16/18g nailers Never had any issues and all are still going good after constant use 3 years later... As long as serviced and kept cleaned and lubricated it should be good
I went with Metabo hpt (hikoki) for the fact that the Milwaukee is filled with a gas and when it needs matience requires the gun to be sent away from our repair shops and the Metabo is air filled and can be toped up at our repair shops or you can buy an adaptor and fill it up from an air compressor.
What a trooper Jess is. Also such a definitive point she made about the machine working hard. Either way I can't afford one, so it's a an arm extension for with a finely tuned lump of metal for me🔨
I have used the air powered hitachi framer for a long time, and it is indeed the best bang for your buck. It's cheap, it's light, it drives the nails all the way, what more do you want? BUT, I have recently, after a lot of research, (Aided by fine channels like yours) have become a Milwaukee convert. And bought their 18g and framing guns. The 15 gauge will soon be added as well. I'm firmly on the Dewalt battery platform, but in the last several years, Milwaukee, with their specialty tools, and battery life, has made me an equal opportunist. P.S. Just bought a few more Milwaukee batteries.
Toronto area, Canada. I do kitchen installs and have need for 18Ga and 22Ga. Had pneumatics, tripped on hoses climbing ladders, got Hikoki/Hitachi. Fkn love them. So much faster and easier than pneumatics and I get an arm workout since they're much bulkier and heavier. When I took a framing job, I naturally added the Hikoki framing nailer. It's a beast, it scares me, I LOVE it. I used in on SPF (spruce pine fir) and it made me look like a pro framer, which I SOOO am not. Previously I used a couple cheapo pneumatic ones (old job for stingy all around bad human) that were rode hard and put away wet. No comparison to Hikoki. Like comparing $h1t to chocolate. That's what I know for sure.
I'd take a look at the Max high pressure system that Awesome Framers have good info on as well. Pneumatic, but the higher pressure allows the gun to be much smaller and maneuverable as well as allowing you to carry coils of framing nails instead of just a stick or two. Maybe less useful for renovations but looks like it'd be a winner for new house framing.
Powerlite are amazingly powerful nailers, but whoa are they expensive. The weight savings is awesome but my favorite thing about them is the cleanout system that expels debris and water when the hose is disconnected.
Purchased the DeWalt recently and I actually love it, never have an issue sinking nails. The Milwaukee style with the air tank are too heavy and unbalanced, the nose just wants to drop. The DeWalt has the best balance, weight sits at the rear so I like it. Milwaukee coming in late should have considered weight or at least balanced it.
I've got a wheelbarrow compressor that stays put in my tool crib on site and I run pneumatic coil nailers that my nail guy told me about. They're called Everwin and the model I have is SCN90L. It only weighs 6.6 lbs so it's actually lighter then the cordless paslode. And it takes a whole coil of nails rather than strips. Been real happy with them so far. They even nail into LSL if the tank has enough pressure, which a lot of guns won't do. Not sure if you guys have to deal with that stuff in nz, didn't see any when I worked there.. It's about the worst engineered lumber you can nail in to
Hey Scott I have the Paslode , the Milwaukee and air framer , personally I like them all , just depends on the job , I typically use the Paslode just cause it’s the lightest , cordless and has enough power for my every day use , I break out the Milwaukee when I really need thd power , and I use the air compressed guns when I’m framing all day , taking an extra 5 minutes to run a power lead to the compressor and a hose to the gun on site doesn’t bother me , air guns are the most reliable , arguably still more powerful than cordless guns and don’t need a gas cartridge or battery , and needs less maintenance and usually lasts way longe , I’ve had my air framer the longest and love using it , the Paslode is the usual daily one I use as it’s light , and has enough power for what I need and also all the other guys in the crew use them too so does the boss and he suppplies the gas , so Paslode is of no problem too me. But ideally if I could have the lightness of a Paslode , power of the air framer or Milwaukee , cordless and no gas , it be perfect But yeah I have each guns for different purposes but I love using air gun the most but Paslode is the daily
I had a dewalt nail gun that got to a point where not only was it not driving nails all the way it was also jamming every nail. Slammed it into pieces, bought a Milwaukee one even though I had dewalt batteries,seems to work better and it shoots the last couple nails in a clip without jamming
Hey Scott, I'm a chippy over in Sydney NSW, I am self employed and I currently own the first Paslode framing gun with the lithium ion batteries, it's one of my favourite models, not a fan of the reload on the new paslodes so I'm staying away from that as long as possible. Haha. I'm also a fan of hikoki pneumatic guns, they are very good and efficient. I bought a cordless hikoki angled brad gun back in February this year and I found that it lacked the oomph that the passie brad had, nails would stick out and the weight was way too much for my belt 8-9hrs a day. Paslode any day for me!
Hikoki compressor framer is by far the best and super cheap too. Even if you only make up like 4 walls in a day, you can leave there compressor in your van and just extend the hose. Light, powerful and LIGHT. The hose, yeah can get in the way but, the 3 or 4 times you may have to move it on a day will be a blessing to your shoulders and arms For Reno jobs that you do often maybe a cordless for a couple of walls etc. But then I'd still use a Paslode because your fixing the wall into native with the soft wood. I like that it's so light, even for just a few overhead jobs the Milwaukee is stupid heavy to use daily Also your not doing a whole job with the Paslode so your not going through boxes in a job.
I run pneumatic senco nail guns (not as good as the were 15+ years ago) for all of my larger framing projects. The cordless nails just can't compete with the speed and power of a pneumatic nailer. When my sencos finally crap out ill switch over to metabos. However I use a paslode for the small jobs that aren't framing intense. It pays to have a compressor for framing nailers with 5 of better cfm/ 8.5 m³/hour. Northeast US carpenter.
I had a renovation company for 10 years and primarily only framed basement interior partition walls. I started out with air powered tools and gradually progressed to using the Dewalt cordless tools. I found the cordless 20V dewalt framers adequate for my use. I had a Paslode 18 guage finish nailer that broke down several times and upgraded to the new Milwaukee 18 guage nailer which is far superior. If starting again, I would go down the red brick road, not the yellow brick road for nailers.
Daily drive: Milwaukee + Paslode. Milwaukee best for continue shooting like joinery frames and timber weatherboards. Will prefer paslode for framing because it light weight.
love my paslode nice weight behind them been using them since I started carpentry I love that I can hold it in both hands especially doing framing all day long with the weight of the pouch its all I need
Favourite framing nailer: my pneumatic Hikoki. Most used Framing nailer: Hikoki 18v Had the Dewalt before but I had the same issue, didn't sink nails as it should
The Milwaukee, with extended magazine, is the best hoseless gun. Paslode just don't have the power and are expensive for nails, and maintenance is a pain. But if you're doing a reasonable amount of framing, a pneumatic is still the best. As long as you have a good set up. My big compressor stays in my van, as long as it's easy to run power to it, it's great. The van can be 200 metres away. The Hikoki pneumatic framer is great, cheap, light, small for in between studs. And a major benefit is you can use it in wet weather and not have to protect it.
I have all Paslode, framing gun, 16 gauge and 18 gauge. Switched over to dewalt a few years back and between 2 of us we killed 5 in 6 months with multiple repairs in between, 3 x type 2 and 2 x type 3. Went straight back to Paslode. We do use an air compressor for coil nailers mainly for flooring and subfloor ply but would never dream of dragging a hose for framing. We're based in Scotland so never encounter any hardwoods or HARDwoods that we would need to drive nails into. I'll buy the Paslode gas less nailer when they perfect it, Paslode aren't stupid I'm pretty confident when the technology is perfected they will be market leaders
The thing about the Paslode gas though, is I always end up with way more cartridges than needed. They fire more nails than supplied in the boxes so non-gas nail packs can also be used. Gas is not a large expense - the price equivalent of a few meters of framing timber!
Can you please do this for the finish nails as well please Will be looking to get a combo kit, (framer and pin gun) next year Love the videos Scott and Jess!!!
As lots of people have said, the DeWalt was on the wrong setting, 1 is for up to 70mm nails. Having said that, they only spec if for 63mm in hard woods, but in reality it usually does better. Others have complained about it's speed. That's what the other switch is for, it keeps the motor running between shots. When Paslode released the new PowerVent model last year to better deal with LVL, some of it's extra power came from a new fuel cell, Scott was testing with a Delfast fuel cell. If the HiKoki has lost power, you can get it's air refilled. They can lose pressure over time, it's a simple 4 minute procedure. There's a few videos on UA-cam showing how it's done.
My professional carpenter career was in the 1980s. I started and finished with a Hart California framing hammer with the axe handle driving vinyl coated sinkers into Doug Fir studs. I turned 60 this week and feel like "PrimitivePete"
I have had the paslode for years and it stays in my truck at all times and yes the fuel cartridge is the one negative but for me the weight makes up for it. I also have the metabo battery gun and it comes out when I don’t have fuel cartridges for the paslode both are great options but I like the,form factor of the paslode.
Hey Scot, you should give Max air tools a look. Their air compressor weighs in at 23kg but the party trick with these guys is you can get 34.4 bar of pressure from the compressor. So with their power lite guns you're able to get the same performance as that big hikoki air nail gun but In a smaller and lighter format. Their coil framing gun weighs 2.5kg. What's also crazy because of the pressures these guns operate at you can also buy a nail gun that can drive into concrete completely replacing powder actuated nail guns. It's pretty cool definitely worth a look. Only not so cool part is the price. The compressor cost $2700 cad and the gun framing nailer cost $817 cad pretty cool but also pretty steep.
Paslode first fix nail gun is what I use,I also have a paslode and Stanley Bostitch(air) second fix. I used that DeWalt once,it was dreadful it kept misfiring and jamming.
I think the senco f35xp framing nailer is The best nailer, its Light, it have all The power and right balance! BUT... its there first ever battery nailer for framing and have some issues, at least for us in swedish climate. When we starts going in to winter and its about -5 to -10 it will not shot nails.. So hope they fix it! I have try all dewalt, milwaukee, hikoki and paslode and nothing kan keep up with senco!
I would buy a Milwaukee simply because it is the platform I have chosen for my battery tools and I will NEVER have more than one type of battery to charge EVER again. Great vids Scotty and Jess, thanks a million you guys rock
So far, I have 2 x 90mm Paslodes, a Dewalt 90mm framer and a Dewalt 16 ga angled second fix. Paslodes are ancient and superb, one held in reserve so I'm always earning. The Dewalt 90mm is for frosty days which compromise the paslodes. The 16 ga is for archi's skirts, finishing stairs n that...
Own a hitachi pneumatic, feels a little wild in the hands but drives all day long without a problem. My first nailer and stil my favorite is a defunct Bosch. Loads of power but smoother and cleaner in the hands than the hitachi. Then I have the milwaukee, heavy but absolutely convenient. Not having to lug around a heavy compressor daily or having a gun get yanked off the ladder when the foot snags on the hose is totally worth the price in weight. having said that. though the pneumatics are indeed more powerful, lighter, and faster. They also dust up the work space. Nothing compares to being in an attic blasting away strip after strip of nails and not having the released air kicking up insulation into your face and arms.
for a home diy person pneumatic nailer's are the best option the cost of compressor and guns is really cheap , plus the air compressor is a handy home tool.
I started with pasloade, always troublesome if not used weekly gas going stale, gas going cold and not wanting to fire in the winter, the need to service it. I then bought a dewalt, it works faultlessly, cheaper to run and more reliable.
Great video. I recently bought the Ryobi one plus nail gun and it's been surprisingly powerful. I bought it for DIY skirting boards but I also used it on some hardwood no issues.
I still use Paslode. Lighter and so much more comfortable to operate. Gets in the corners, 45's and hangs on the pouch with not too much added weight. I don't mind spending the few dollars extra for that type of comfort on the job. Hope Paslode can improve their gun to operate without the need for gas one day, but for now, it's still my preferred choice.
In England I was using paslode nail gun. But for couple of months I’ve got Milwaukee and it’s a beast but heavy. First days I was needed to use both hands 😅
love my porter cable but it spits oil all day around me and that compressor noise jeez gimme a break, whats that oh the compressor just kicked in again
The PREBENA PKT-system is the same idea as the AIRBOW. I've seen the PKT-system for years in use by the guys who build shipping-contraptions for heavy machinery as CNCs, robots, etc. here in Germany. Some of them got the specialty nailers with built-in aircontainer but most of them got the system for the belt, you could use any pneumatic nailer with. You can get the aircontainer in different sizes and/or in a Systainer.
Go Jess! My first (and only) experience with a framing gun was using a friend’s pneumatic nailer making a shed frame. Heavy, scary and poor weight distribution especially when used for long periods. I think I emitted similar noises to Jess and totally agree with her ‘philosophy ‘.
First time you use any tool there is that bit of trepedation. I remember getting my mom to run a tracksaw, she was 54 years old never touched tools in her life, but while we were sheeting a shed the easiest and best way for her to help us was to set her up in the shop with the track saw and get her to cut the boards. She was abit scared at first but after the safety runthrough and some starting supervision she was ripping through material in no time. Later on in the project she was using impact drivers and sawzals.
I got the hikoki framing nailer and Milwaukee brad nailer and that's been an epic combo for me. Both feel really nice to use. I power mine with Makita batteries because buying hikoki or Milwaukee batteries and chargers for one tool that isn't used often enough isn't worth it.
The Dewalt nailers are super popular in USA. Most people say you have to use a bigger battery to drive the nails all the way. Even though you had a powerstack battery, its a 2AH one and its just not enough. Try it again witha a 4+AH battery, i think you will be surprised by the results. As far as nailers i LOVE my Milwaukee brad nailer. I know its not a framing gun but i havent had any need in one so far. I mostly do finish carpentry right now. I used to use a Dewalt one but it kinda went out on me after a while. Milwaukee one is so slick and sounds just right. The Dewalt ones can get kinda annoying with their ramp up sounds.
Who would have thought I would be interested in nail guns 😁however Scott you make it fun ,light and interesting! Jess’s intro into Squarespace is a winner .😎 Keep up the good work SBC
Jess’s point is very valid. If you’re paying for a machine to do the hard work why should you be working so hard?
I totally agree with Jess why wouldn't you expect a fairly expensive specific tool to do the job it is labeled to do without to much additional effort.
Stay safe and keep up the great videos.
I expect Weight is the issue. For a nail gun to replace the contribution of the operator, it would probably need to be heavier. So that when the nail is forced into the timber, the reaction is countered by mere gravity.
That’s probably *too* much weight.
@@frankblack1481 But most nails are driven horizontally. Weight would provide inertia. But one of the best nail guns was the pneumatic, which was the lightest.
@@frankblack1481 while guns need to be backed up, its the speed the nail gets fired at that determines penertration.
Could say she hit the nail on the head …. I’ll get my coat !!!
I bought this nail gun as we were planning to renew all the fencing in our back garden. As this involved 19 double slatted fence panels, 10 of which needed to be cut down in size, we knew there would be a need for a great ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxHQsUrwNr5GQrnx9V4xDdUr56qxwuiBHt deal of re-stapling the wooden slats to the wooden framework. Each alteration required the re-stapling of 62 wooden slats with double staples. Prior to starting the work we ordered sufficient additional staples as per the instructions with the gun.The gun performed fantastically throughout the entire project with no jams of misfires. The adjustable power was excellent allowing the staples to be fired into the 8mm slats to the correct depth. For the price paid this was a bargain and it proved itself to be so reliable and versatile making an arduous task much quicker and professional. I cannot recommend this product highly enough and it will be used on many other projects in the future.
I’m a framer up here in Canada and I’ve had experiences with all of these as well except the Airbow of course. Started off with air powered nailers and still use them for building walls and things that use a lot of nails. They are by far the fastest and the cordless ones are just too slow for walls. For floor joists and trusses I prefer cordless, started with the paslode but was very inconsistent, it just needed too much maintenance. Switched over to Hitachi, I loved it but the once winter rolled around it would not work. Next was Dewalt since most of our tools are dewalt. You get used to the motor and it’s a good nailer (shitty hook though) but nailing into lvl or through gussets causes it to jam and after a couple times it requires maintenance. It worked great in the winter though. I now have a Milwaukee and it’s by far the heaviest but also the fastest of the cordless and the most powerful. Haven’t used it in the winter yet but some buddies of mine have it as well and have had no problems.
Getting Jess involved was genius. Thank you.
Great video I'm in the US and DeWalt was kind of the first battery powered framing nailers got one loved it I do a lot of small things so if I don't have to drag out a compressor hose and a cord I'm happy got there 15 gauge angled nailer love it and I've got all the air guns too but like I said most of my stuff is small so it's nice not having to drag out a compressor
I recently switched to a Milwaukee and I absolutely love it. I’m a renovations carpenter so we don’t always need a nail gun but when we do I love how easy and convenient it is to just grab the gun and go. I will say though, there is no battery or gas gun on the market that is as light and can shoot as fast/ consistent a good quality pneumatic nailer.
I love the Milwaukee too. The Dewalt, which powers all my other tools, is too noisy and I don’t like the preload sound.
Just bought a 15 ga milwaukee gun. Company has a few and just had to have my own I loved it so much. Perfect for nailing pvc trim. No hose and very consistent strikes.
Hi Scott, Senco was my first and has been my only framing gun, using an air line and it weighs a ton. But it shoots through anything. That was over 20 years ago now and it just keeps going, I oil each day and I've only had serviced once. Love your vid's Thank you and Jess for all the work. Cheers
Same. Serviced once. Still going strong. Farking heavy. Every time I use someone else's Paslode, I have problems with it. I have been looking at them for decades but am yet to be convinced. I think they were about two grand when they first came out.
The DeWalt nailer was on setting '1' which is for a softer drive with smaller nails. It needed to be on '2'
Quite common that people don’t set the tools correctly.
The Dewalt has two settings for power. The first one is the switch which shows 1 or 2. In this video was set to 1, which means low power. The second setting is sequential/bump mode. When shooting long nails, you want it in sequential mode and power level “2”, that’s when it will properly shoot long nails. In bump mode, the power is lower with respect to sequential mode.
black n yellow decker suck balls man they jam out every fxxxkin nail , now the chop saw is sweet but no to das nailer
Regardless they are shit. I have dozens of great DeWalt tools which I love, but you couldn't pay me to use their nailers, or track saw, or planer. M18 track saw with DeWalt battery, M18 nailers with DeWalt batteries, makita grease gun and planer with DeWalt batteries. No loyalty to any brand, will not knowingly buy bad or non-best tools just because of the battery. Luckily all the high vibration stuff adaptors are no good on are great tools in DeWalt. DeWalt batteries are the best. M18 second. Have 4 CEENR packs in the mail for the non DeWalt tools too.
Thanks for this video. I have always wondered about the different styles of nailers. As a novice woman builder I loved that Jess tried it out. Her reaction was similar to what I feel mine would be.
I really don't think her reaction is unreasonable for anyone. they're very loud and sound like they can hurt you, because, well, they really can. My brother had a similar, just slightly more reserved reaction to mine. She's also not wrong that the milwaukee is HEAVY. I use mine only occasionally, and the lack of a compressor makes the milwaukee nailer make sense for me, but if I used a nail gun all day, every day, the cordless compressor/good pneumatic gun combo would be my recommendation. Don't beat up your body trying to be macho in this trade, it's great you're a woman builder, my daughter may very well join you in that title one day, but take care of your body, plenty of guys ruin theirs doing this.
All of my framing guns are 30 years old. I bought Paslode when they first came out here in the U.S. I tried to give it away recently, without luck. At least with a compressor you can up the pressure and get nails to sink properly. Gas-battery guns came out in the last couple years of my contacting career. Very handy, but weak as all-around tools on a typical job site. Having a gun on your hip with a synthetic tank of compressed air seems like a disaster waiting to happen. At this point, all of the projects I'm involved in, which isn't a lot, frankly, are put together with fancy-dancy screws that are designed to be seen (the heads, at least). The biggest problem with nail guns, if you screw up something, and have to pull out all of the nails you peppered your work with, you'll be swearing up a storm afterwards, whereas if you screwed the work together, taking those speciality screws out of the wood is easy-peasy.
I started out with a pneumatic nail gun at school but as a self employed carpenter without a drivers license that was not an option any more and I hated the bloody hose that other people tripped on or got in the way so I bought a Ryobi nailer as that was the only one I could afford but that one had issues with the "firing pin" (pin that hit the nails to fire). after it breaking twice without me doing anything wrong I did not have a nailer for a couple months and then through a lot of luck with a apprentice ship they bought me a new milwaukee battery nailer and that thing is just heaven. it works when ever you need it, rarely jams and yes it is heavy but it gets the job done and it has the most satisfying sound i ever heard.
This is super interesting because in the U.S. we still use pneumatic guns mainly. And honestly if you can afford a compressor and the gun I would highly recommend them. Max framer, Hikoki, Senco, Paslode, Etc. All make fantastic guns that are fairly cheap compared to what you can build with them. I do currently own the milwaukee battery gun for little jobs like you said. But at the end of the day you just can't beat the pneumatics yet. Maybe when they shave the weight off the battery guns they could become the main nailers.
I talked to building framing contractors working on the housing development we bought in. They all have 5 or 6 pneumatic nailers but in cold weather they usually have a few in for repairs. Ice buildup in the cold weather breaks the head mechanism. I have seen more battery units this fall (2022) so I am guessing that is the new trend.
@@normferguson2769 Ya the cold is super hard on the peumatics but the battery guns struggle as well from my experience. Batterys are not fond of the cold.
Love my pneumatic metabo hpt/hitachi as 4.9 lbs and 2 strips nails and great for production framing and overhead framing. Metabo hpt strap nailer/metal connector 36v is nice, heavy, but nice. Than have my Milwaukee for when my metabo hpt/hitachi 18v/36v nailer can’t sink nails in materials (usually stud pack of LvL or similar and doesn’t happen often, and run this gun more than Milwaukee is b/c my 1st & 2nd guns, easy to get parts and refill air inside gun (newer guns don’t need this but older battery nailers do after many many nails gone thru; and takes 5 mins).
So, if doing any work overhead I get small compressor out (100 psi max 1.5-2 gal) and use pneumatic as light and easy! To use, along w/ framing up a lot of stuff. If getting into crawl spaces or not so much framing, it’s battery nailer, as taking a hose up/under house is never fun, and gets in way very quick….so battery all way here.
So yep, hav8ng a pneumatic and battery is good if in trades and do lots of projects and diff types of materials, if diy/homeowners I’d say if 8n platform get that battery nailer, or if money an issue and have compressor go pneumatic as can go thru any material and light.
Cheers✌🏻
I 'retired' in March 2021 knowing that I had about twenty years of significant projects and property / house maintenance that I needed to do, including 50+ metres of wooden fences that needed to be replaced, as well as some building work that was going to involve framing etc. I also wanted an air compressor in my workshop. Up until now I had most recently gone down the DeWalt path with my battery tools. The DeWalt nailer did not have very good reviews so I initially purchased the Hikoki battery version. I realised really quickly that it is quite weighty for my aged shoulders, though better balanced than the DeWalt. Thankfully I was able to return it, and purchase the compressed air version. As most of my work is going to be on the one site, that works, and I am much happier with the weight of it. I have about 50 metres of air hose.
I've got the DeWalt, mainly as I've bought into that system, and it was cheap 2nd hand. Have found it's powerful enough for most jobs once you learn how to use it. You have to let it ramp up enough, but not too much, and press down a bit. And the first few fires after an extended holiday are always weak, as if the friction wheel/plate needs to condition. After a few fires it's ready for hard woods. I use it with 5AH batteries as that's what I have.
The Dewalt has two power settings settings. The first one is the switch which shows 1 or 2. In this video was set to 1, which means low power. The second setting is sequential/bump mode. Sequential has more power than bump mode. When shooting long nails, you want it in sequential mode and power level “2”, that’s when it will properly shoot long nails.
I agree with Jess the overall best performer is Milwaukee framer, it works perfect for our reno work we do nailing into old pine and native timber. We also have the Paslode and Hikoki and an air Frame-Pro. I also used Paslode, Hikoki and air Paslode finishing guns but the best one is my recently purchased 15g Milwaukee angle brader, that thing is awesome.
How long have you been using the Milwaukee? Have you noticed any loss of power? I have 2 and neither seem to be able to fully sink a nail anymore.
@@gkoshinsky the Milwaukee framer has been good. Had the gun for about 1 1/5 years but don't use it all the time just when we need the power. The Milwaukee finisher is only about 1 month old. But I did need to get both Hikoki guns regassed under warranty.
For handyman work I've been using Milwaukee nailers - 23ga, 18ga, 16ga, and 15ga - for last several years and have been very pleased with results and performance. They larger ga nailers can be a bit burdensome if working overhead for several hours vs. using a pneumatic nailer. Rarely use pneumatic but occasionally resort to it if my shoulder is acting up. I do find pneumatic stapler a better choice for cabinet building. Easier to maneuver. I've tried DeWalt and found not as good as Milwaukee. So far I haven't had any issues with my battery powered nailers.
Thanks Scotty & Jess I have 22 power tools but none of them is a Nail Gun. Do I need a Nail gun ? of course I do . My next buy will be a nail gun. I do think if you have existing range of battery tools then it seems sensible to keep the same brand. The battery powered garden tools also fit into this category. Because I have purchase my battery tools over a number of years I have 5 different battery chargers, not ideal. I have a charging bench set up for all these use a glass bench top as fire is your enemy here as a damaged battery becomes a fire hazard. Thanks again Scotty.
+1 on a Makita, but 18v! 😊
I’m using the Hitachi 18v, now Hikoki. On 2.0E LVL in Canada it does extremely well even with galvanized ring shank nails. Granted mine has surely shot fewer nails than yours has.
The Hikoki is quite a bit cheaper than the Milwaukee in Canada as well, so that’s something, but if you’re already on team Red that’s the one that makes sense.
It’s no surprise Milwaukee “nailed it” after benchmarking the Hitachi for what, 4 years? 😊
Makita opened the door to Milwaukee for tools by not having a nail gun. I may have gone and bought some of their 20V platform if they had that or stuck with the 18V platform entirely.
But because I needed a framing nailer and Milwaukee's are so damned nice I now have one of those and 2 of their batteries plus a charger. And anyone who uses tools knows that the battery platform you are invested in dictates the brand of tools you buy. I now have both platforms.
As a DIYer. I chose to go a simpler/less expensive rout. I bought a regulator for my paintball air tank and a 3 ft whip from flexzilla and I basically have something similar to the airbow. Benefit is that I can use the tank to power any pneumatic nailer I have and get white a few shots out of my 4k PSI tank. For a large job I just use my air compressor
I've seen a guy on UA-cam do that as well.. It seems like such a no brainer.. But I'm guessing you need a compressor and tank that holds way more than the usual 120psi or so right?
@@mikegilberg8776 Yes, a new paintball tank which is fiber wrapped can hold up to 4000 psi, with a common size being about 68 cu inches. To me it looks like that’s the size the airbow is using. I get my tank filled at my local paintball shop for free and I just store it as my “battery”. If I need to drive a couple nails here and there I use the small tank and whip combo. I just couldn’t justify replacing my conventional framer, 15ga nailer, pin nailer all for well over 1000 dollars for battery versions when I don’t use them as much outside a shop environment. You can find used paintball tanks on marketplace all the time just be mindful that they need to be tested every 5 years and last a total of 15. So if you buy one second hand make sure it’s a newer one. The regulator I purchased on Amazon was the Interstate Pneumatics WRCO2.
I run the Milwaukee 21 degree framer with the extended magazine and it works great. Gets heavy but I’m 6’3” (1905 mm) 300 lbs (136 kg), so it doesn’t affect me like it would someone else. I just framed all day today building kiosks with 12 foot 2x4’s and I ran my nailer all damn day on a single 3 ah hp battery. Probably did 1000 nails. The extended magazine will hold 3 racks of nails, which is really nice, and it helps to balance the weight. Like carrying a bucket filled with water… easier to carry two of them. Adds weight, but balances
Jess is 100% correct milwaukee all day everyday. I agree they are a heavy gun but reliability and power to perform second to none
I brought the hikoki because you and a few others had used them, I'm just a hobbyist, works really well for me so far. It's the best because not dragging around compressor
Hi there Scott. I appreciate the continuous videos and educational aspect tied into them.
From my experience in NY, I learned carpentry framing starting out using an air nailer. It is my more preferred nailer as it is a bit lighter, I am comfortable with it, am able to use the hose to lower/raise the gun if working from heights and feel it is reliable.
I suppose it is a case by case basis and is an overall good practice to have a variety. For example, if you only need to nail something off quick, a battery nailer I could see myself using.
Keep up the good work Scott!
I've been a carpenter for 3 years now in the states working on remodels and such. Having used Milwaukee fuel products all my career this far it makes so much sense to get the m18 nailer for when you need to frame something for not too long and don't need to pull an air compressor out. plus their warranty policy is fantastic. i can deal with the weight as long as if im not framing all day
Hello Scot and Jess, Hose nail gun Makita, still got it. Then got a paslode and now I own a Hikoki, love the Hikoki just a little loud. Awesome vids I watch every week!!
Hi there, Awesome Framers (just North of here, and another great channel) did a review where it pretty much boiled down to: weight. Fair enough, especially if you are framing out a house and that is what you are setting up for then a hundred billion nells later and the weight is all there is. I am tooled up with Milwaukee batteries, and am not a framer, so their framing neller was an obvious choice when I am doing remodel and etc. I have their 18g, the 18g stapler (put up a t&g cedar ceiling with it) and the 21g pin gun which all are quick and easy for finish/trim carpentry; the huge advantage for me is I still don't have or need a compressor. Yes a big bang when you throw a nell, No not the continuous drone of a compressor and when you work in occcupied spaces this is a big big advantage. Thanks and try American cheese on a burger it is the only thing it's good for, true, but it is really good at it.
our company both owns Air and battery powered nail gun. We use both, in different situation. If we're on a roof, the battery is the obvious winner, but if we're near the trailer, we use air powered nailler.
We used milwaukee and metabo( Hikoki), they are both good, but the Hikoki seems to fail after only a couple years of heavy work, the milwaukee seems to last longer
We used a paslode, but if we have alot to do will get the pneumatic makita out. We also run a pneumatic ppn nailer and Pneumatic 18g/23g second fix guns. The reliability and consistency of the pneumatic’s is worth the minor inconvenience of the hose and compressor in my opinion.
I can really appreciate the effort you go to with your videos. They’re such good quality with your filming and editing. I don’t know how you find time to do it? You must be none stop working. I’ve only made a small handful of videos and I struggle finding time for that and they are poor in comparison to yours. So hats off to you Scott well done!
I’m a big dewalt guy but I just had to get rid of my 30 degree framing gun. It just jammed too much. I bought a Milwaukee and I love it.
I use pneumatic nailers - the hose and compressor is a small price to pay for the power and low purchase price of the nailers. I picked up a 3 gun combo from Bunnings (Ryobi Airwave set, came with a framing nailer, finishing nailer and a stapler) for $299 and they've been great tools. That's less than half the price for a single battery nailer.
Errmm.. plus compressor. The Airwave 50L is also around $299
@@DiscoFang well yes, if you don't already have one. I already had one for my mechanics air tools. But even so, a compressor is versatile - air tools, nailers, spray guns, pumping up tyres or sports balls.
I have the Dewalt, 18V 5amp bat and works great I use 9mm nails, its heavy to carry all day, I am DIYer, build a whole deck with it and worked perfectly.
I have the 36v new Metabo HPT framing nailer and that slaps harder than Will Smith. I am very curious about makitas 40v framing nailer. Hopefully Tools and Stuff Will have some news soon
I bought into the Milwaukee community many years ago and have a pin nailer, among other things, but for framing I have a pneumatic and a cheap compressor. I bought a long hose, so it reaches anywhere in the house, while the compressor stays in the basement. As you can imagine I don't do a lot of framing, but I also use a pneumatic brad nailer quite a lot.
The square space intro's are starting to become a guilty pleasure. It's the sunshine in my overcast week.
I only do stuff renovating at home, so i have the hikoki air nailer, and just love it. It is the most powerful nailer on the market according to the project farm youtube channel, is ridiculously light, and always fires nails in fully with very little effort.
I love my metabo pneumatic nailer super light and bought a quiet compressor so i can take inside. I actually went the opposite way of most people I started with battery powered nail guns and got tired of dead batteries(my fault i don’t charge often) and switched to all aire powered nail guns. Also cordless miter and table saws and switched to corded. I still bust out my battery powered nailers if i only need to shoot a rack or 2 of nails but if im using it all day 100% pneumatic is coming out and never have to worry about a dead battery.
I have an older Paslode framing nailer which has always worked great, but I also have a couple of Hitachi/Hikoki finish nailers (and a Bostich air framing nailer) which I really like, and I've been thinking of upgrading. Thing is, I almost never use it, so whether it is worth it or not is an open question - kinda a luxury. The biggest thing for me is repeat and short cycle time, plus battery platform - right now I'm on Hitachi/Metabo, Makita and Milwaukee M12, with Makita for construction and M12 for automotive - Metabo is mostly nailers, but I have their big boy 1/2 impact. I don't need yet another battery platform.
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I have a Bostitch N88 that is getting old, but stunningly reliable with good power. Later I bought a Senco FramePro 325 XP which was not my favourite gun, but it served me well with reasonable power until I dropped it on concrete from a great height 2 months ago. I also have 2 Metabo's (Hikoki) that work great and are light, but if you hit a gang plate or something hard, it's common for the driver pin to ride up over the head or the nail and jam it. I recently bought a cordless gun, the Metabo/Hikoki. A bit heavy, but it fires really well. But I only use it for random spot jobs. For most of the framing I do, I'll never give up the air guns, despite the hose. The power and speed is much superior.
I started as a part time handyman 30 yrs ago. So I'm very old school with all pneumatic guns. Mostly Senco, some Bostitch . Framer to staples . I don't work them hard so they've held up well.
on the nail gun by DeWalt there are two modes of operation, I noticed that the mode switch was on the number 1, and for those nails that were in the nail, mode 2 is needed
When you showed the Dewalt failing to sink nails into the LVL you had it on the '1' setting which is the low power setting for soft wood / short nails to save battery. Its still not the best nailgun but it is by far the cheapest non air option as its usually 550-600 ish with battery and charger and seems to work fine in my experience.
I love the weight. Gets the job done! M18 is what I have now but I hate 13lbs
With all the new technology around nailers, I still use an electric air compressor and hose for framing and finishing. They're consistent, inexpensive and when you learn to leave the compressor in the truck/trailer the noise is never a problem. The only thing that gets me is rolling up 200' of air line at the end of each day. I've been very tempted to buy cordless nailers but still don't see the benefits until they reduce the size and weight.
Great video as always, keep them coming!
Hey Scott, I ended up with the Hitachi (U.S.) to replace my Paslode I had for years, and I've been kicking myself for not getting the Milwaukee. This thing is too heavy for anything other than a quick/small job, which is pretty much all I do anymore. I'd hate to have to use it all day on a jobsite. It only holds 27 nails, and after using 23 of 'em, it quits. Need to put in another strip.
I do like not needing a hose and compressor though. I'm with Jess on the idea that when you buy a tool to do a job, it needs to do that job, or it's not as helpful as it should be.
Jess, yet another smooth segue. 👍
The Milwaukee is heavier than the Hitachi and the balance of the gun is horrible.
@@sebmstudio1697 Oh, I guess I got that info backward. Thanks for the info.
@@papadave9061 I just bought my DeWalt and tested them all. The most important thing for me was the gun balance because I have 2 tennis elbow.
I eliminated the Milwaukee right off the bat because it wants to go downwards when held at 90. The Metabo/Hitachi/Hikoki was not bad at all, but a little more tip heavy. The Dewalt is slightly heavier but the balance was the best when held at 90, it was surprising. After using to frame my home addition, I can safely say that it handles framing really well and it has no issues with LVLs.
Always a good day when an SBC video pops up 👍
I use to use a Paslode (no longer have it) as well as use to use a hose pneumatic but that use to belong to the company I worked for at the time, I now have the Hitachi Framing & Brad nailers as well as AEG Framing and brad... the thing I like about the AEG framer is you just pick it up and fire unlike the Hitachi which you have to switch on and it turns off too quickly... both good nailers tho....
DHG here, thanks for another great vid, Scott brown. I have the DeWalt and all my other battery tools are DeWalt so I'm stuck with it. however,I've found it to be good so far.
I use Hikoki. I find here in Aus the old hardwood framing in houses is so dry and brittle, the framing nailers just blow it apart. I have the Hikoki wound down and generally use it in treated pine framing. I have to drill and screw the old hardwood framing.
Got the 1st gen DeWalt broke it with-in first 3 months got fixed broke again. It’s nice as a back up but i ended up getting an air Hitachi and it’s rock solid no issues.
Last thing I need is a nailer yet I watched the whole thing. Well done mate. 😅
Originally brought air framing and bradder (never actually used the framing), then changed to Paslode because having hose and compressor was a hassle. Year ago working with friends they had Dwalt and Hikoki battery framers, by the end of week I had a Hikoki framer. Hikoki is great working on renovations with Rimu framing, fully sinks 90mm nails. Brought a Metabo (Hikoki) 15ga from US, also great. Haven't looked back, no jams, no misfires, no maintenance like the Paslode, cheaper nails - all bonuses.
First fix I have a Hitachi NR90GC2 15g and for all other second fix tasks is both Ryobi 16/18g nailers
Never had any issues and all are still going good after constant use 3 years later...
As long as serviced and kept cleaned and lubricated it should be good
I went with Metabo hpt (hikoki) for the fact that the Milwaukee is filled with a gas and when it needs matience requires the gun to be sent away from our repair shops and the Metabo is air filled and can be toped up at our repair shops or you can buy an adaptor and fill it up from an air compressor.
I use a small hi pressure 3000psi air (scuba bailout) tank with a DIN connected Scuba regulator and a short hose.
What a trooper Jess is. Also such a definitive point she made about the machine working hard. Either way I can't afford one, so it's a an arm extension for with a finely tuned lump of metal for me🔨
If you have a project where this would benefit you, you could probably rent one by the day. save your elbow and wrist a little wear and tear.
I have used the air powered hitachi framer for a long time, and it is indeed the best bang for your buck. It's cheap, it's light, it drives the nails all the way, what more do you want? BUT, I have recently, after a lot of research, (Aided by fine channels like yours) have become a Milwaukee convert. And bought their 18g and framing guns. The 15 gauge will soon be added as well. I'm firmly on the Dewalt battery platform, but in the last several years, Milwaukee, with their specialty tools, and battery life, has made me an equal opportunist. P.S. Just bought a few more Milwaukee batteries.
*Scott great review.... and well done Jess for giving your overall review too.*
Toronto area, Canada. I do kitchen installs and have need for 18Ga and 22Ga. Had pneumatics, tripped on hoses climbing ladders, got Hikoki/Hitachi. Fkn love them. So much faster and easier than pneumatics and I get an arm workout since they're much bulkier and heavier. When I took a framing job, I naturally added the Hikoki framing nailer. It's a beast, it scares me, I LOVE it.
I used in on SPF (spruce pine fir) and it made me look like a pro framer, which I SOOO am not. Previously I used a couple cheapo pneumatic ones (old job for stingy all around bad human) that were rode hard and put away wet. No comparison to Hikoki. Like comparing $h1t to chocolate. That's what I know for sure.
I'd take a look at the Max high pressure system that Awesome Framers have good info on as well. Pneumatic, but the higher pressure allows the gun to be much smaller and maneuverable as well as allowing you to carry coils of framing nails instead of just a stick or two. Maybe less useful for renovations but looks like it'd be a winner for new house framing.
Powerlite are amazingly powerful nailers, but whoa are they expensive. The weight savings is awesome but my favorite thing about them is the cleanout system that expels debris and water when the hose is disconnected.
Purchased the DeWalt recently and I actually love it, never have an issue sinking nails. The Milwaukee style with the air tank are too heavy and unbalanced, the nose just wants to drop. The DeWalt has the best balance, weight sits at the rear so I like it. Milwaukee coming in late should have considered weight or at least balanced it.
I've got a wheelbarrow compressor that stays put in my tool crib on site and I run pneumatic coil nailers that my nail guy told me about.
They're called Everwin and the model I have is SCN90L. It only weighs 6.6 lbs so it's actually lighter then the cordless paslode. And it takes a whole coil of nails rather than strips.
Been real happy with them so far. They even nail into LSL if the tank has enough pressure, which a lot of guns won't do. Not sure if you guys have to deal with that stuff in nz, didn't see any when I worked there.. It's about the worst engineered lumber you can nail in to
Hey Scott I have the Paslode , the Milwaukee and air framer , personally I like them all , just depends on the job , I typically use the Paslode just cause it’s the lightest , cordless and has enough power for my every day use , I break out the Milwaukee when I really need thd power , and I use the air compressed guns when I’m framing all day , taking an extra 5 minutes to run a power lead to the compressor and a hose to the gun on site doesn’t bother me , air guns are the most reliable , arguably still more powerful than cordless guns and don’t need a gas cartridge or battery , and needs less maintenance and usually lasts way longe , I’ve had my air framer the longest and love using it , the Paslode is the usual daily one I use as it’s light , and has enough power for what I need and also all the other guys in the crew use them too so does the boss and he suppplies the gas , so Paslode is of no problem too me.
But ideally if I could have the lightness of a Paslode , power of the air framer or Milwaukee , cordless and no gas , it be perfect
But yeah I have each guns for different purposes but I love using air gun the most but Paslode is the daily
I had a dewalt nail gun that got to a point where not only was it not driving nails all the way it was also jamming every nail. Slammed it into pieces, bought a Milwaukee one even though I had dewalt batteries,seems to work better and it shoots the last couple nails in a clip without jamming
Hey Scott, I'm a chippy over in Sydney NSW, I am self employed and I currently own the first Paslode framing gun with the lithium ion batteries, it's one of my favourite models, not a fan of the reload on the new paslodes so I'm staying away from that as long as possible. Haha. I'm also a fan of hikoki pneumatic guns, they are very good and efficient. I bought a cordless hikoki angled brad gun back in February this year and I found that it lacked the oomph that the passie brad had, nails would stick out and the weight was way too much for my belt 8-9hrs a day. Paslode any day for me!
Hikoki compressor framer is by far the best and super cheap too. Even if you only make up like 4 walls in a day, you can leave there compressor in your van and just extend the hose. Light, powerful and LIGHT. The hose, yeah can get in the way but, the 3 or 4 times you may have to move it on a day will be a blessing to your shoulders and arms
For Reno jobs that you do often maybe a cordless for a couple of walls etc. But then I'd still use a Paslode because your fixing the wall into native with the soft wood. I like that it's so light, even for just a few overhead jobs the Milwaukee is stupid heavy to use daily
Also your not doing a whole job with the Paslode so your not going through boxes in a job.
I run pneumatic senco nail guns (not as good as the were 15+ years ago) for all of my larger framing projects. The cordless nails just can't compete with the speed and power of a pneumatic nailer. When my sencos finally crap out ill switch over to metabos. However I use a paslode for the small jobs that aren't framing intense. It pays to have a compressor for framing nailers with 5 of better cfm/ 8.5 m³/hour. Northeast US carpenter.
I had a renovation company for 10 years and primarily only framed basement interior partition walls. I started out with air powered tools and gradually progressed to using the Dewalt cordless tools. I found the cordless 20V dewalt framers adequate for my use. I had a Paslode 18 guage finish nailer that broke down several times and upgraded to the new Milwaukee 18 guage nailer which is far superior. If starting again, I would go down the red brick road, not the yellow brick road for nailers.
Daily drive: Milwaukee + Paslode. Milwaukee best for continue shooting like joinery frames and timber weatherboards. Will prefer paslode for framing because it light weight.
American here! Have a desalt battery finish nailer LOVE IT. Have a metabo pneumatic framing nailer ITS MY FAVORITE
love my paslode nice weight behind them been using them since I started carpentry I love that I can hold it in both hands especially doing framing all day long with the weight of the pouch its all I need
Favourite framing nailer: my pneumatic Hikoki.
Most used Framing nailer: Hikoki 18v
Had the Dewalt before but I had the same issue, didn't sink nails as it should
The Milwaukee, with extended magazine, is the best hoseless gun. Paslode just don't have the power and are expensive for nails, and maintenance is a pain. But if you're doing a reasonable amount of framing, a pneumatic is still the best. As long as you have a good set up. My big compressor stays in my van, as long as it's easy to run power to it, it's great. The van can be 200 metres away. The Hikoki pneumatic framer is great, cheap, light, small for in between studs. And a major benefit is you can use it in wet weather and not have to protect it.
I have all Paslode, framing gun, 16 gauge and 18 gauge. Switched over to dewalt a few years back and between 2 of us we killed 5 in 6 months with multiple repairs in between, 3 x type 2 and 2 x type 3. Went straight back to Paslode. We do use an air compressor for coil nailers mainly for flooring and subfloor ply but would never dream of dragging a hose for framing. We're based in Scotland so never encounter any hardwoods or HARDwoods that we would need to drive nails into. I'll buy the Paslode gas less nailer when they perfect it, Paslode aren't stupid I'm pretty confident when the technology is perfected they will be market leaders
The thing about the Paslode gas though, is I always end up with way more cartridges than needed. They fire more nails than supplied in the boxes so non-gas nail packs can also be used. Gas is not a large expense - the price equivalent of a few meters of framing timber!
Yea whenever i do an order i get a mixture of nails with gas and without to balance that
Can you please do this for the finish nails as well please
Will be looking to get a combo kit, (framer and pin gun) next year
Love the videos Scott and Jess!!!
As lots of people have said, the DeWalt was on the wrong setting, 1 is for up to 70mm nails. Having said that, they only spec if for 63mm in hard woods, but in reality it usually does better. Others have complained about it's speed. That's what the other switch is for, it keeps the motor running between shots.
When Paslode released the new PowerVent model last year to better deal with LVL, some of it's extra power came from a new fuel cell, Scott was testing with a Delfast fuel cell.
If the HiKoki has lost power, you can get it's air refilled. They can lose pressure over time, it's a simple 4 minute procedure. There's a few videos on UA-cam showing how it's done.
My professional carpenter career was in the 1980s. I started and finished with a Hart California framing hammer with the axe handle driving vinyl coated sinkers into Doug Fir studs. I turned 60 this week and feel like "PrimitivePete"
I used a von couldn't afford the California framer I'm 71 now can't pick up my 32 oz von
Had the dewalt gen 3 for about 2 years. Was great at LVL good power and speed, only downside is belt hook
I have had the paslode for years and it stays in my truck at all times and yes the fuel cartridge is the one negative but for me the weight makes up for it. I also have the metabo battery gun and it comes out when I don’t have fuel cartridges for the paslode both are great options but I like the,form factor of the paslode.
Hey Scot, you should give Max air tools a look. Their air compressor weighs in at 23kg but the party trick with these guys is you can get 34.4 bar of pressure from the compressor. So with their power lite guns you're able to get the same performance as that big hikoki air nail gun but In a smaller and lighter format. Their coil framing gun weighs 2.5kg. What's also crazy because of the pressures these guns operate at you can also buy a nail gun that can drive into concrete completely replacing powder actuated nail guns. It's pretty cool definitely worth a look. Only not so cool part is the price. The compressor cost $2700 cad and the gun framing nailer cost $817 cad pretty cool but also pretty steep.
You can adjust the power of the paslode to allow for hardwood timber etc...
Paslode first fix nail gun is what I use,I also have a paslode and Stanley Bostitch(air) second fix.
I used that DeWalt once,it was dreadful it kept misfiring and jamming.
I think the senco f35xp framing nailer is The best nailer, its Light, it have all The power and right balance! BUT... its there first ever battery nailer for framing and have some issues, at least for us in swedish climate. When we starts going in to winter and its about -5 to -10 it will not shot nails.. So hope they fix it! I have try all dewalt, milwaukee, hikoki and paslode and nothing kan keep up with senco!
I would buy a Milwaukee simply because it is the platform I have chosen for my battery tools and I will NEVER have more than one type of battery to charge EVER again.
Great vids Scotty and Jess, thanks a million you guys rock
So far, I have 2 x 90mm Paslodes, a Dewalt 90mm framer and a Dewalt 16 ga angled second fix. Paslodes are ancient and superb, one held in reserve so I'm always earning. The Dewalt 90mm is for frosty days which compromise the paslodes. The 16 ga is for archi's skirts, finishing stairs n that...
Own a hitachi pneumatic, feels a little wild in the hands but drives all day long without a problem. My first nailer and stil my favorite is a defunct Bosch. Loads of power but smoother and cleaner in the hands than the hitachi. Then I have the milwaukee, heavy but absolutely convenient. Not having to lug around a heavy compressor daily or having a gun get yanked off the ladder when the foot snags on the hose is totally worth the price in weight.
having said that. though the pneumatics are indeed more powerful, lighter, and faster. They also dust up the work space. Nothing compares to being in an attic blasting away strip after strip of nails and not having the released air kicking up insulation into your face and arms.
I have a Hikoki for the occasional bit of framing that I do, it does everything I want in a framer which is banging structural pine together.
for a home diy person pneumatic nailer's are the best option the cost of compressor and guns is really cheap , plus the air compressor is a handy home tool.
I started with pasloade, always troublesome if not used weekly gas going stale, gas going cold and not wanting to fire in the winter, the need to service it.
I then bought a dewalt, it works faultlessly, cheaper to run and more reliable.
Great video. I recently bought the Ryobi one plus nail gun and it's been surprisingly powerful. I bought it for DIY skirting boards but I also used it on some hardwood no issues.
Ryobi tools are no joke
I still use Paslode. Lighter and so much more comfortable to operate. Gets in the corners, 45's and hangs on the pouch with not too much added weight. I don't mind spending the few dollars extra for that type of comfort on the job. Hope Paslode can improve their gun to operate without the need for gas one day, but for now, it's still my preferred choice.
Nursing my ancient Paslode til Makita shows us what they've got.
@@who_needs_a_handle look forward to that as well. Love Makita tools.
In England I was using paslode nail gun. But for couple of months I’ve got Milwaukee and it’s a beast but heavy. First days I was needed to use both hands 😅
Air framing nailer the best I also use paslode cordless framing for smaller jobs
love my porter cable but it spits oil all day around me and that compressor noise jeez gimme a break, whats that oh the compressor just kicked in again
The PREBENA PKT-system is the same idea as the AIRBOW. I've seen the PKT-system for years in use by the guys who build shipping-contraptions for heavy machinery as CNCs, robots, etc. here in Germany. Some of them got the specialty nailers with built-in aircontainer but most of them got the system for the belt, you could use any pneumatic nailer with. You can get the aircontainer in different sizes and/or in a Systainer.
Go Jess! My first (and only) experience with a framing gun was using a friend’s pneumatic nailer making a shed frame. Heavy, scary and poor weight distribution especially when used for long periods. I think I emitted similar noises to Jess and totally agree with her ‘philosophy ‘.
First time you use any tool there is that bit of trepedation. I remember getting my mom to run a tracksaw, she was 54 years old never touched tools in her life, but while we were sheeting a shed the easiest and best way for her to help us was to set her up in the shop with the track saw and get her to cut the boards. She was abit scared at first but after the safety runthrough and some starting supervision she was ripping through material in no time. Later on in the project she was using impact drivers and sawzals.
@@BType13X2 What a great Mum💚
I got the hikoki framing nailer and Milwaukee brad nailer and that's been an epic combo for me. Both feel really nice to use. I power mine with Makita batteries because buying hikoki or Milwaukee batteries and chargers for one tool that isn't used often enough isn't worth it.
The Dewalt nailers are super popular in USA. Most people say you have to use a bigger battery to drive the nails all the way. Even though you had a powerstack battery, its a 2AH one and its just not enough. Try it again witha a 4+AH battery, i think you will be surprised by the results. As far as nailers i LOVE my Milwaukee brad nailer. I know its not a framing gun but i havent had any need in one so far. I mostly do finish carpentry right now. I used to use a Dewalt one but it kinda went out on me after a while. Milwaukee one is so slick and sounds just right. The Dewalt ones can get kinda annoying with their ramp up sounds.
Who would have thought I would be interested in nail guns 😁however Scott you make it fun ,light and interesting! Jess’s intro into Squarespace is a winner .😎 Keep up the good work SBC