Thats true, she could of just said hes name three times, unless he can choose not to go when called, knowing its her he might of just decided not to answer
I was kind of hoping the twist would be that she was never looking for him but instead looking for a way to get revived by marrying that ponytail guy hanging around Winona
It's amazing how "Hey shut up" always works because of how perfectly it's delivered. Not everyone could pull it off. But Ryan always gets a laugh out of me with it.
That is kind of the biggest change from the first years of this show to now. The comedic timing on how he delivers the lines and the inflections, are so much better. The delivery of the "Oh Really" after the "Super Easy" line is probably the best example
Just FYI. Before the cop get's frozen, he shouts out what rule Beetlejuice has broken; that's how Astrid found the rule & Clause in the book so fast. So he did have a minor effect on the movie.
I surprised there wasn't a mention about how Alec wasn't in the sequel and that Willem Dafoe's actor turned cop character made a joke about how he was killed in an accident involving a "grenade he assumed was a prop" That definitely wasn't a coincidence.
The fact that the studio name on the door changes implies that every studio has this exact same pairing of identical people coming together to create every movie and show in existence, and that idea feels me with an existential dread I can't describe.
One thing nobody has brought up about Beetlejuice Beetlejuice: The sequel completely abandons the Time Dilation rule that was established in the first Beetlejuice. Time works differently in the Afterlife and moves slower than it does in the real world. Once the characters get out of the Afterlife, months should have passed.
If time moves faster in the afterlife, then less time will have passed in the real world. That's the usual trope for "magic realms", the characters can go on crazy long adventures, but in the real world they haven't been gone long enough for anyone to notice. Not sure about the first one as I haven't seen it, just got taken to see the sequel.
Nope, this was never said. When months passed while they were in the waiting room, they just straight-up spent months in the waiting room, just not noticing it because no hunger/needs and their brains numbed by the tedium.
@@timegentleman And that was Saturn. When they return to the house, Adam specifically says "How long were we in that waiting room?" and is told months.
I know it is a quick, abrupt end to that plot point, but I admit I found it satisfying to see BJ punk the ghost kid and drop him to hell. Maybe it reminded me a bit of what he would do the in cartoon.
"What is culture if not a cyclical regurgitation of itself." I know tongue in cheek and Hollywood's sequel and reboot obsession, but that kind does describe culture overall.
Every single plotline conflict has a "Super easy, barely an inconvenience" resolution. I was hoping Ryan would just keep repeating it. "I bet it will be hard to beat the invincible soul sucking ghost?" "Lydia has to marry Beetlejuice? I bet it will be hard to get out of that!"
"How did she find this so fast?" " Speedreader, I don't care." I feel like this is probably happens a lot in movies. "How did Darth Sidious come back?" "Sith nonsense, I don't care."
The sad thing is, the way that Darth Sidious returned could easily have been explained by him continuing the work of HIS master Darth Plagueis, which was outlined in the Darth Plagueis novel, except that Disney discarded all of the dense and well thought out lore in the books that came with the Star Wars property so that they could make marvel movies with light sabers.
The exchange about needing to wrap storylines up quick because there are so many of them reminds me of the Game of Thrones final season pitch. “You could have more episodes.”
Other plot hole is that beetle juice has been eaten by a sand worm and it just sent him to the waiting room. So exwife isn’t gone, we just moved her down and 20 feet to the right. She’s on her way back up the stairs right now, run!
@@shanedbunting man they should have used this as like the beginning of the movie, he finally gets out of that waiting room after 35 years and goes back to be a menace
They also just COMPLETELY destroyed the afterlife world building. Even Ryan pointed out that the "government" workers are supposed to be people that took their own life, but supposedly Lidia's husband didn't, yet he was a worker?? Beetlejuice also magically showed up as a worker. The "barrier" between the afterlife should be harder than a cartoon bomb hastily drawn on the wall. Wasn't it supposed to be a big deal that Beetlejuice was operating in the real world again? Like he had broken out of afterlife prison with Lidia's help? Now he can just... single-handedly bridge worlds in seconds?? Wasn't there some play on the sanctity of marriage in the first? Like him marrying Lydia was going to make his escape permanent or something? Yet in this it's just a tit for tat trade? Beetlejuice himself is just... a completely different character. Maybe even nicer than the cartoon Beetlejuice, and that show was for kids! In the first movie, he was down right menacing, IMMEDIATELY haunting the hell out of the guests, trying to marry Lydia _while_ her parents were literally falling apart, etc. He does _very_ little self-serving in this compared to the deus ex machina he constantly pulls off. He almost certainly _shouldn't_ be able to pull most of it off as portrayed in the movie, because it's somewhat clear that Beetlejuice is not all-powerful in the afterlife. He's just a very, very skilled creeper ghost. His wife makes NO sense. She was just... in boxes? The whole time? _While_ being a powerful type of ghost? If she's able to ignore the rules of the afterlife, too, then why is the sand worm a threat _at all?_ The teen killer kinda' had a similar affair with being a bit OP. The afterlife was merely a set piece, not even as consequential as walking in to an IRL DMV... I'm pretty sure that even in the cartoon for children, Beetlejuice seldom messed with the actual afterlife rules in such flippant ways. Yet in this, the "government" worker practically explains to her that her life was stolen?! What about that giant book of rules?! Wasn't that giant book of rules the cause of Beetlejuice getting his curse thing on? It's just so frustrating that the ONLY thing that was shown any kind of actual impact was the _soul train._ A one-liner, one scene, largely unexplained detail. IMO, they _royally_ screwed the pooch on good world building. The afterlife and the cops could've been a really interesting set of obstacles to navigate, _with meaning,_ like the soul train supposedly had, but instead they were just a convenience for everyone to take advantage of.
@@3Gfotos Same. It's like they can't think of an original thought so they simply parrot what the video said and then others go "Wow! The video said that and I liked it! Let me give this a thumbs up!". It's baffling
Your pitch meetings are always top tier. But the post show slide show just ads that little cherry on top. It's just *chefs kiss* I love it! I love these conversations you have with your twin.
This is one more reason to love this guy: He's the first person I find that complains about the _"too many pointless plots",_ as I did, after watching the movie.
A lot of times I’m planning on going to go see a movie on my day off and then Ryan releases a pitch meeting and saves me a lot of money on movies I thought would have been great.
Man, there’s so many story lines that this would probably be best as a tv series. Maybe something in the cartoon realm for kids. Yes, that’s a brilliant idea. Someone should make a Beetlejuice cartoon show.
He didn't acknowledge the plot hole of Astrid being able to see ghosts, even though her belief that ghosts don't exist is the cause of the tension between her and Lydia.
I wish they mainly focused on the plot of the dead boy trying to trade places with Astrid. And beatlejuice being asked to help with that …with the quid pro quo of marriage. That’s should’ve been the main plot with a side of his ex-wife trying get him….interfering with the mission of helping Astrid. Yeah they fucked up this movie. Although it was kinda still enjoyable
The nostalgia factor definitely did most of the heavy lifting, because for about 3 quarters of Beetlejuice Beetlejuice I had no idea what was going on.
@@OpEditorial Wow, then you probably weren't paying attention because it was pretty straightforward. The part of the movie everyone liked best, the wedding scene, was the part that was like "oh, ok, 7 minute song. For no reason. That's chill." I think the actual problem with Beetlejuice Beetlejuice that I personally had no problem with is that it was more like the cartoon Beetlejuice than the movie, but in the same continuity as the movie. Tim Burton also produced the cartoon so those were always his ideas, too.
@tealmacfarlane yeah that's a good point, the whole movie felt more like a Netflix series that was cut up with unsatifying boss battles and McArhur Park for some reason. The character Monica Bellucci played was criminally underutilised her limbs can fall apart and reassemble, and she's eaten by a sand worm?! And then (spoiler alert), it all turns out to be a dream Lydia has. I was like, WTF???
@@OpEditorial the whole movie wasn't a dream. The movie happened. But Lydia is still dreaming about Beetlejuice because of that connection they have that was established at the beginning of the movie. Beetlejuice can make her see him when he wants her to.
Sth is going on in the industry. I understand that they create useless storylines to place their gfs etc. But why do producers agree to pay all those needless salaries? Does it add any value to the product to justify the extra costs?
How the hell does that goofy-ass Tim Burton get Monica bellucci? Even 60 year old Monica bellucci is way out of his league and it's not like she's not rich and famous on her own. I didn't get Helena Bonham Carter either. Hell even Lisa Marie was out of his league but she wasn't famous so I get that.
I use pitch meetings as a filter honestly... Saves me a lot of trouble of sitting through a movie that I probably wouldn't like... Thank you sir, for your great service for mankind - or at least to this one kind man in particular
@@Fonzzz002 I think it is pretty obvious that this is “chaotic quirky fun”. And according to the comments, the thing the 2nd movie lost is not the fun, but the brain.
@@Khazar321 To be fair, I also didn't detect much brain in the 1st one. It's just a bunch of things happening for, you know, reasons, and this one also seems just to be a bunch of things happening for, well, reasons, but different reasons and different rules.
He's big on movies not having plot holes, which are especially difficult to avoid when the movie has supernatural/paranormal elements that wouldn't exist in real life.
I've said it once, and I'll say it again; there was absolutely no need to bring back the Deetz' at all. It could've been a completely new story and characters, and as long as BJ himself is still in it, it would still work. =\
I saw this to see Winona Ryder again. Would not have seen it without some of the OG legends. Would have just assumed it was a shitty sequel and pointless cash grab.
@@JenniferLouise-rd8gk Well, that's kind of what it turned out to be anyway. As is the problem with a lot of "legacy sequels". But that's just fine; we each have our own reasons for going to see it. =)
@@BuckarooBanzai84 Thanks for the nice reply! :) I agree with you but I personally would’ve just simplified the story with the OG’s. Was this sequel cinematic art? No. Was it entertaining enough for me? Yes and I was happy to get out of the house for a few laughs. Just being honest. It was also pretty darn cool to see women in their 50s and 60s kicking ass and Michael Keaton in his 70s and still in his comedic glory. The modern cinematography adapted for this was cool to see too. Was it a mess? Yes. Was it a fun mess? Yes. Just my two cents. :)
I had been waiting for this episode specifically for months... And you hit every issue I had with the film on the head. Just like, a lot funnier than I do.
It didn't make any sense for Astrid to know the book at all because if she did she wouldn't have got tricked. It would have made all the sense for Lydia to know the book because she had her teenage years to read through it with the Maitlands.
They used the book in such a BS way in this movie. The evil ghost boyfriend figured out his cheat from the book too somehow even though there’s no good reason it’d be in there
I'm frustrated with how good this movie COULD have been if it had been focused solely on the plotline with the boyfriend. There was a good idea in there that just needed another rewrite or two.
I thought same after watching it last night. Get rid of the Monica Bellucci character entirely. Flesh out the murderous boyfriend. Bring beetlejuice into it organically after seeing Charles die and wanting to get out of the after life again, but have him actually needed when the kid tries to trade lives. Strip out about 12 other plot points including Justin Trudeau, the cop/actor nonsense and Catherine O hara dying.
@@jodybriggs1075 Also make beetlejuices's Ex an actual threat rather than just a character that like to manicingly walks down hallways throughout most of the movie
@@Papanza295 Just get rid of her. It felt like she was part of an early draft and Burton didn't want to get rid of her even after she had no place in the story. It's also a big mistake showing any level of backstory for Beetlejuice. He works so much better as an enigmatic, force of nature.
@@jodybriggs1075 It felt like they came up with the intro scene where she's putting herself together with BeeGees' tragedy going. Thought "yeah, this is really cool" and then forgot about her until the last 5 minutes
@@Papanza295 Things like that, or the "Soul Train" sight gag/ music number were so cringe. Burton's old movies worked because they were a mix of whimsical and dark. There was a legitimately threatening element to Beetlejuice as well as the comic side. He's either lost touch, or interest with his macabre side. Even the reveal that kid killed his parents was totally overshadowed by the fact it made absolutely no sense. How was the house still just a regular house with lights, TV, etc running if everyone was dead for 20 years? It all just felt really surface level and lazy.
Took my kids to see this at a drive in theater. Ahead of time it seemed to make sense since I saw Beetlejuice in the 80’s and last watched a movie at a drive in that same decade. Unlike in the 80’s I have kids now that won’t sit still or shut the fuck up and so pretty much spent 60 bucks on a movie I couldn’t see or pay attention to.
I can’t wait for the sequel to come out in 35 years where the title is Beetlejuice 3 times so Beetlejuice has to sit through every single screening of the movie!
👏👏👏 Agree 100% - Every single one of these points was going through my head while I was watching this movie. And I had plenty of time to think about them during that very long MacArthur Park scene
I feel like he's had like a dozen different ideas over the decades, and ultimately decided to just throw ALL of them into one movie. And because he's all big and famous, there's not enough people who will tell him, "No." Sometimes an honest editor is your best friend. Any one or maybe two of these plotlines could have been the movie and it would have been fine. But no. They're all in there, and we had to deal with the potholes and confusion.
This movie was in development hell for a long time and the original plans were totally dropped. This movie was not written over the course of 35 years. It was written over much less time by writers who are much newer to the industry
The main thing I'm actually really shocked about, is how little the movie actually cost to make compared to all modern productions. Like only $100mill but has made over $1billion
@SCG99 I’m pretty sure it was 7 minutes. It was Burton’s idea to do the whole song apparently. It’s supposed to be like Day-O except they didn’t use the whole song there. But the cops and stuff were in that sequence so Ryan mentioned that
Okay. While it doesn't excuse the fact Astrid's dad is in community service for his afterlife. Apparently there's a newspaper in the movie that mentions deaths misidentified as suicides. But it's a freeze frame bonus
@@DoloresLehmann Super easy, barely an inconvenience- the victim wrapped raw meat around their head and jumped into shark infested waters. Come on, we’ve all thought of it as a way out of these endlessly regurgitated times...
@@DoloresLehmann Astrid's dad, not Lydia's dad. Astrid's dad fell off a boat in the Amazon and was eaten by piranhas. Falling and jumping can look pretty similar.
Beetlejuice baby scene is kind of traumatic, and both movies are about Beetlejuice trying to impregnant a teenage girl that's the archetype of a Tim Burton muse but we won't get into that.
He wasn’t necessarily trying to impregnate Lydia in the first movie. And all things considered, we haven’t gotten any SA allegations against Burton yet (though he seems totally fine with Depp’s), so we’ll just leave that there for now
@@sylph8005 Yeah Tim Burton's defense of Johnny Depp didn't sit right with me. And how he thought Winona being in that relationship was good for Johnny but he never cared about how it affected her
@@chrism8520 Beetlejuice didn't care about Astrid outside of Lydia asked him to save her and Lydia agreed to marry him in exchange. Beetlejuice is still obsessed with Lydia, who is in her 50s now. It was a little less creepy in the first movie because he only wanted to marry Lydia for power and her age was of no consequence, but then the 36 year obsession gets creepy.
@@tealmacfarlane Tbh I saw it less creepy in the sequel with him being attracted to an adult instead of a child. But also he still had a picture of her as a child so that's not much better
"What is culture if not a cyclical regurgitation of itself?" You say this like a punchline, but you have to know this is exactly the definition of culture.
One of the things that bugged me about that - in the original movie there was a scene where the dead couple are complaining about how the Handbook for the Recently Deceased was a hard read. Then teenage Lydia quipped that she read it all and it made sense. I guess in 35 years, she forgot most of that, even though she’s been hosting a ghost talk show.
@@kyerinn I mean... yeah. How much obscure literature do you remember that you read over 30 years ago to its entirety? Hell, how about even 10 years ago? She's popping pills and on a verge of a break down almost every day for the last couple of decades because of her experience with Beetlejuice and constant ghost sightings. I doubt she retained a random book she read as a kid
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"Deets Nutz" is one of those jokes that reminds me that Pitch Meetings aren't just recycled catchphrases that every loves every video but a lot of awesome original jokes too. The catch phrases are so catchy I keep forgetting.
I can't believe they made an entire sequel for Beetlejuice just so Ryan can make that Deetz Nuts joke
Worth it.
Only point I can see for it.
Honest Trailers did it too.
That makes sense.
Honest Trailers made it too.
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I like how he calls her Wednesday without batting an eye
I thought the movie was a Crossover based on the previews 😅
She even wear the same uniform as Wednesday does
I mean thats how cheap the characterization is. Might as well be Wednesday
He said that with such confidence that now I don't know if it's a joke or an honest mistake. I mean, I would understand either way 😂
@@pepeshadilayoh typecasting is tight!!!
That 'wednesday' remark was so understated it took me a second to remember 'oh yeah, she's not Wednesday in this."
He said it so quickly and confidently I didn't even realize there was a mistake until coming to the comments
Or is she?
I thought this is a sequel for it or something because of that lol
I got a really big grin from that! 😀😂
@@SJReid82 I didn't even catch it... now I'll have to rewatch to see how subtle it was
I like how the whole subplot about Beetlejuice’s wife trying to find him can be countered by her just saying his name three times
Thats true, she could of just said hes name three times, unless he can choose not to go when called, knowing its her he might of just decided not to answer
I was kind of hoping the twist would be that she was never looking for him but instead looking for a way to get revived by marrying that ponytail guy hanging around Winona
Did you know that Monica Belucci is Tim Burton's girlfriend? Explains why she was in the movie...
Wife : “Bettlejuice Bettlejuice Bettlejuice”
*phone Ring*
Bettlejuice : “Hoo Hoo , Lemme see who’s the Luc-“ *sees his wife name* “Nope” *ghost her*
Tbf, she did get her body hacked to pieces, so probably not much brain to think after that.
It's amazing how "Hey shut up" always works because of how perfectly it's delivered. Not everyone could pull it off. But Ryan always gets a laugh out of me with it.
Yeah well hey shut up.
I liked the "I don't know!" phrase more.
I miss "get off my back"
That is kind of the biggest change from the first years of this show to now. The comedic timing on how he delivers the lines and the inflections, are so much better. The delivery of the "Oh Really" after the "Super Easy" line is probably the best example
@@mattbuszkoget off my back needs to make a return, maybe in tandem with “hey shut up”
Just FYI. Before the cop get's frozen, he shouts out what rule Beetlejuice has broken; that's how Astrid found the rule & Clause in the book so fast. So he did have a minor effect on the movie.
Bro is as useful as Ctrl+F
@@zaidlacksalastname4905I use ctrl+f so much, I felt called out 😂
@@zaidlacksalastname4905To be fair, Ctrl + F is very useful
@@zaidlacksalastname4905 So... Very?
Nice. Ty for that. That’s 1 down now why was his x wife in the movie that’s gonna bother me lol
“I thought we were friends for a second there”
“NOPE” 🤣🤣🤣
The producer guy was cold-blooded there for a second.
"Dang, okay."
I don't always like myself either. Have to set firm boundaries you know.
@@seanwells9702 as the spider-man leaving the mcu video shows; it’s strictly professional on the producer’s end
Didn't even take a minute to think about it. 😂
I surprised there wasn't a mention about how Alec wasn't in the sequel and that Willem Dafoe's actor turned cop character made a joke about how he was killed in an accident involving a "grenade he assumed was a prop"
That definitely wasn't a coincidence.
That's so true actually!
Daaaaaaaamn
And his secretary having a blamshoot wound as her cause of death.
Alec was mentioned
The fact that the studio name on the door changes implies that every studio has this exact same pairing of identical people coming together to create every movie and show in existence, and that idea feels me with an existential dread I can't describe.
Nepotism, baby!!!
@@kingofhearts642
It fills you with existential dread because it’s true.
One thing nobody has brought up about Beetlejuice Beetlejuice: The sequel completely abandons the Time Dilation rule that was established in the first Beetlejuice. Time works differently in the Afterlife and moves slower than it does in the real world. Once the characters get out of the Afterlife, months should have passed.
If time moves faster in the afterlife, then less time will have passed in the real world. That's the usual trope for "magic realms", the characters can go on crazy long adventures, but in the real world they haven't been gone long enough for anyone to notice.
Not sure about the first one as I haven't seen it, just got taken to see the sequel.
@@patriarch7237In the original it’s the opposite. They are in the afterlife for a brief period and months go by in the real world.
Nope, this was never said. When months passed while they were in the waiting room, they just straight-up spent months in the waiting room, just not noticing it because no hunger/needs and their brains numbed by the tedium.
@@RannXXV when Adam steps out of the front door and is on Saturn for a few seconds, Barbara tells him he was gone for two hours.
@@timegentleman And that was Saturn. When they return to the house, Adam specifically says "How long were we in that waiting room?" and is told months.
During the movie when he pulled the lever i said "Super easy, barely an inconvenience"
I'm starting to say these in time with Ryan, even if it's my first time seeing a particular vid. It's super easy. Barely an inconvenience.
I know it is a quick, abrupt end to that plot point, but I admit I found it satisfying to see BJ punk the ghost kid and drop him to hell. Maybe it reminded me a bit of what he would do the in cartoon.
I did when the cartoon snake ate the titties exwife
Wow wow wow wow
Oh really?
"What is culture if not a cyclical regurgitation of itself." I know tongue in cheek and Hollywood's sequel and reboot obsession, but that kind does describe culture overall.
Yeah I mean centuries of European painting and sculpture was 90% the same bunch of Bible scenes.
@@imperator9343 and now its bible scenes with whatever movie genre is popular at the time
Yeah. But its not the creatives, its the money men who push it.
@@Badartist888 I mean, back then it was still only the 1% (or actually far less) paying for paintings or sculptures
We die so we dont get bored or go insane watching it cycle too much
“Deetz Nutz” got me more than I was expecting 🤣🤣🤣
I was eating and almost choked to death
slow clap on that one lol
I don't often have to pause to rub my forehead in an "oh brother" manner while also laughing, but this was one of those moments.
it took 2 seconds to get it lol
Same
Every single plotline conflict has a "Super easy, barely an inconvenience" resolution. I was hoping Ryan would just keep repeating it.
"I bet it will be hard to beat the invincible soul sucking ghost?"
"Lydia has to marry Beetlejuice? I bet it will be hard to get out of that!"
“So, what was the point of having the Ex Wife in the movie?”
“Well sir, she’s dating the director!”
“Carry on!”
Oh, that explains it...
"How did she find this so fast?" " Speedreader, I don't care." I feel like this is probably happens a lot in movies. "How did Darth Sidious come back?" "Sith nonsense, I don't care."
To those situations… I always say “they read the script”
@@johnkelly90 Lol, that's a good one too.
To be fair to Darth Sidious, they do say _how_ he returned: _somehow_
I’ll see myself out.
@@anhedonicauthoroh Hollywood executives believing the audience will accept their intelligence being insulted because member berries is tight!!!
The sad thing is, the way that Darth Sidious returned could easily have been explained by him continuing the work of HIS master Darth Plagueis, which was outlined in the Darth Plagueis novel, except that Disney discarded all of the dense and well thought out lore in the books that came with the Star Wars property so that they could make marvel movies with light sabers.
One of my favorite Pitch Meeting tropes is the "OooOOoOooh" "OoooOOooOh!" whenever a romance is mentioned 😂😂😂😂
Mine too😂
luvd how it's only so recent yet became a part of the catchphrase family
35 YEARS! TIME FOR A SEQUEL!
See you in 2059, with Jenny Ortega playing the mother of an angsty teen who falls in love etc.
The actor for the teen will be born in about ~2038.
This means that in 2025 they're making a sequel to UHF, right?
See you next year for AIDS AIDS
@@bewilderbeestieI would watch that immediately.
On the horizon: Dances With Wolves II: The Electric Boogaloo
The exchange about needing to wrap storylines up quick because there are so many of them reminds me of the Game of Thrones final season pitch. “You could have more episodes.”
...Or do as George R.R. Martin. Never write the ending.
Thank you, Ryan. This was far better than actually going and paying exorbitant prices to watch nostalgia p*rn
Other plot hole is that beetle juice has been eaten by a sand worm and it just sent him to the waiting room. So exwife isn’t gone, we just moved her down and 20 feet to the right. She’s on her way back up the stairs right now, run!
YES!!! Why is no one else saying this? 🤣🤣🤣
Doesn't she have to wait for her number to be called first? Could be a while just saying.
@@shanedbunting man they should have used this as like the beginning of the movie, he finally gets out of that waiting room after 35 years and goes back to be a menace
They also just COMPLETELY destroyed the afterlife world building.
Even Ryan pointed out that the "government" workers are supposed to be people that took their own life, but supposedly Lidia's husband didn't, yet he was a worker?? Beetlejuice also magically showed up as a worker.
The "barrier" between the afterlife should be harder than a cartoon bomb hastily drawn on the wall. Wasn't it supposed to be a big deal that Beetlejuice was operating in the real world again? Like he had broken out of afterlife prison with Lidia's help? Now he can just... single-handedly bridge worlds in seconds??
Wasn't there some play on the sanctity of marriage in the first? Like him marrying Lydia was going to make his escape permanent or something? Yet in this it's just a tit for tat trade?
Beetlejuice himself is just... a completely different character. Maybe even nicer than the cartoon Beetlejuice, and that show was for kids! In the first movie, he was down right menacing, IMMEDIATELY haunting the hell out of the guests, trying to marry Lydia _while_ her parents were literally falling apart, etc. He does _very_ little self-serving in this compared to the deus ex machina he constantly pulls off. He almost certainly _shouldn't_ be able to pull most of it off as portrayed in the movie, because it's somewhat clear that Beetlejuice is not all-powerful in the afterlife. He's just a very, very skilled creeper ghost.
His wife makes NO sense. She was just... in boxes? The whole time? _While_ being a powerful type of ghost? If she's able to ignore the rules of the afterlife, too, then why is the sand worm a threat _at all?_
The teen killer kinda' had a similar affair with being a bit OP. The afterlife was merely a set piece, not even as consequential as walking in to an IRL DMV... I'm pretty sure that even in the cartoon for children, Beetlejuice seldom messed with the actual afterlife rules in such flippant ways. Yet in this, the "government" worker practically explains to her that her life was stolen?! What about that giant book of rules?! Wasn't that giant book of rules the cause of Beetlejuice getting his curse thing on? It's just so frustrating that the ONLY thing that was shown any kind of actual impact was the _soul train._ A one-liner, one scene, largely unexplained detail.
IMO, they _royally_ screwed the pooch on good world building. The afterlife and the cops could've been a really interesting set of obstacles to navigate, _with meaning,_ like the soul train supposedly had, but instead they were just a convenience for everyone to take advantage of.
lovely to see Hellsing Alucard fans on this channel
"She sucks the souls out of ghosts?" 😂😂😂
pretty much, the ghosts still have their souls, remember? the first movie, with the janitor explaining that one scene to the Maitland's?
Must have been a narcissist when alive. Continuing the tradition in death
@@DonEBrooke32I think the reaction was more that ghosts are pretty much nothing but souls, so she sucks the souls out of souls and leaves... What? :P
@@DonEBrooke32 The Ghosts are the Soul, the Soul is the Ghost. She eats/drinks Ghosts.
@@giin97 but the husk that she leaves behind in the film, my guess is that's how ghosts are able to make physical contact with objects.
3:20 "I gotta wrap these storylines quickly. There's a lot of them!"
"You could have less of them"
"NO! (and keeps on talking)" 😂
I don't understand comments like that. We've all seen that too?! Why are you writing this here again? I'm really interested.
@@3Gfotos deez nuts
@@3Gfotos Same. It's like they can't think of an original thought so they simply parrot what the video said and then others go "Wow! The video said that and I liked it! Let me give this a thumbs up!". It's baffling
@@3Gfotos THANK YOU! It doesn't promote meaningful discussion and serves no purpose other than adding to an already vapid internet.
@@3Gfotoshonestly, I don't mind it. It shows us what they thought the best lines in the pitch meeting were!
1:08 I hope you chuckled so hard when you thought of the Deez nuts joke. It got me
1:59 And when I thought Ryan and George could not come up with another keeper of a catch"phrase", along comes this "Ooooh! Ooooh!" 😂
Ohhh, getting a notification for a new pitch meeting is TIGHT
Really is.
Wow wow wow wow wow, wow.
Super easy, barely an inconvenience!
Well played Mr. Foofoo69....also your name is just, chef's kiss.
It's very tight!
1:56 “Wednesday” 😂
I was just about to post this. I had to rewind it to make sure I heard that right
I completely missed that until I saw your comment 😂
Yeah she plays the exact same character.
@@Mein-Darth Yeah I was going to mention it as well, maybe Jena is getting typecasted now?
It was so subtle as a genuine slip of the tongue
“Juggling well is for nerds” is totally sending me😂😂
Hey! I... _uhm_ ...nevermind.
Your pitch meetings are always top tier. But the post show slide show just ads that little cherry on top. It's just *chefs kiss* I love it! I love these conversations you have with your twin.
0:13 I cannot even begin to say how perfect that line was!!!
Right off the bat, swinging hard
Next level glazing
I tell ya, that slideshow of the thing I just watched was super moving and emotional.
I think the controversial part really adds more than it detracts.
The music would be a fantastic ringtone
"Crafty little ghost boys are tight" 😅😅😅😅
Hollywood, amirite?
@@RHColeJeffrey Jones especially
I always thought crafty little femboys were tight.😈
giggity
hold up...
Producer Guy turning down Screen Writer Guys friendship has to be top 10 anime betrayals of 2024.
Is there a shortage of anime betrayals that they had to look outside the genre to make up the numbers?
Don’t give the Mojo Channel anymore ideas 🤣🤣🤣
Lol *live action😅
"They don't effect anything at all, but the thing is...... they're gonna be in the movie"
Got me on the floor dying 😆
The fact Script Guy and Producer Guy have the exact same "ooooh" makes it hard to believe they're actually not friends.
Finally! I've waited 35 years for this Pitch Meeting
You knew about these Pitch Meetings in 1988?
I've waited 44 years for this
Waiting for something that you didn't know was coming is tight.
In 93 I'd always say boy just you wait till you see them pitch the next one!
@@whiiteshirt7192 thatsthejoke.png
"She is from the first movie!" "She is!" This always gets me.
This is one more reason to love this guy: He's the first person I find that complains about the _"too many pointless plots",_ as I did, after watching the movie.
That's how I feel about every Tim Burton movie
@@whwhywhywhywhywhywhybruh
Honest trailers did the same thing.
Most criticisms of the movie were that
As did Honest Trailers.
A lot of times I’m planning on going to go see a movie on my day off and then Ryan releases a pitch meeting and saves me a lot of money on movies I thought would have been great.
Man, there’s so many story lines that this would probably be best as a tv series. Maybe something in the cartoon realm for kids. Yes, that’s a brilliant idea. Someone should make a Beetlejuice cartoon show.
Beetlejuice was a 90s cartoon, following the first movie, focusing mostly on Beetlejuice and Winona Ryder's character
Man, I wish I had known that. I could joked about it.
@@unclecreepy4185 You needed the obligatory /s I guess haha
I’m glad he acknowledged the overfill of storylines
You know most people have, yes?
@@englishatheartmost people’s buttholes aren’t visible at any given moment either.
I still appreciate that about a person.
He didn't acknowledge the plot hole of Astrid being able to see ghosts, even though her belief that ghosts don't exist is the cause of the tension between her and Lydia.
I wish they mainly focused on the plot of the dead boy trying to trade places with Astrid. And beatlejuice being asked to help with that …with the quid pro quo of marriage. That’s should’ve been the main plot with a side of his ex-wife trying get him….interfering with the mission of helping Astrid.
Yeah they fucked up this movie. Although it was kinda still enjoyable
At one point I lost track then we'd go back to one of the plot lines and I'd be like oh yeah...completely forgot about that.
“Deez nuts” caught me by surprise 😂
I had to replay that bit like 5 times because I kept laughing so hard I couldn't hear the dialog for the bit that came right after it.
They always do!
I think he said "Deetz nuts"
That "Deez nuts" line was some olympic level heavyweight joke humor that made me do a laugh!
Everyone's laughing and I don't get it. Can anyone help?
0:54 very realistic and relatable
"I thought we were friends for a second there." Yup!
“Nope!” :D
Litt was abt to say, this too real
The nostalgia factor definitely did most of the heavy lifting, because for about 3 quarters of Beetlejuice Beetlejuice I had no idea what was going on.
To be fair, neither did I during the whole original movie.
@@OpEditorial Wow, then you probably weren't paying attention because it was pretty straightforward. The part of the movie everyone liked best, the wedding scene, was the part that was like "oh, ok, 7 minute song. For no reason. That's chill."
I think the actual problem with Beetlejuice Beetlejuice that I personally had no problem with is that it was more like the cartoon Beetlejuice than the movie, but in the same continuity as the movie. Tim Burton also produced the cartoon so those were always his ideas, too.
@tealmacfarlane yeah that's a good point, the whole movie felt more like a Netflix series that was cut up with unsatifying boss battles and McArhur Park for some reason. The character Monica Bellucci played was criminally underutilised her limbs can fall apart and reassemble, and she's eaten by a sand worm?! And then (spoiler alert), it all turns out to be a dream Lydia has. I was like, WTF???
@@OpEditorial the whole movie wasn't a dream. The movie happened. But Lydia is still dreaming about Beetlejuice because of that connection they have that was established at the beginning of the movie. Beetlejuice can make her see him when he wants her to.
@@tealmacfarlane well be that as it may, it was kind of "meh" in my opinion.
Slideshows of the things we just watched are tight! 4:47
Oh I just watched that slideshow!
The music during the slideshow just slays me for some reason.
Deetz nuts was brilliant 😂
What does it mean?
"So what was the point of Beetlejuice ex-wife?" Because it's Tim Burton's current gf...
Sth is going on in the industry. I understand that they create useless storylines to place their gfs etc. But why do producers agree to pay all those needless salaries? Does it add any value to the product to justify the extra costs?
They got together during the making of this movie, she wasn't his gf until after.
@@williammkydde
This movie made a shit ton of money
The studio didn't lose anything so they don't care
How the hell does that goofy-ass Tim Burton get Monica bellucci? Even 60 year old Monica bellucci is way out of his league and it's not like she's not rich and famous on her own. I didn't get Helena Bonham Carter either. Hell even Lisa Marie was out of his league but she wasn't famous so I get that.
Rich people gotta rich. 💪😎✌️ Double profits are better than just a single individual's.
*_"Oh, FREEZING THINGS IN PLACE UNTIL YOU NEED THEM IS TIGHT!!!"_* 3:51
Tooth surgery be like
@@dew-it8744 you ruined my day
3:27 "You could have FEWER of them"
*ducks behind the nearest counter to avoid inevitable bottles thrown.
I use pitch meetings as a filter honestly... Saves me a lot of trouble of sitting through a movie that I probably wouldn't like... Thank you sir, for your great service for mankind - or at least to this one kind man in particular
same
in this case you'd be wrong though. The movie is very fun and Ryan really undersells the entertainment value of the different plotlines.
@@Fonzzz002 I think it is pretty obvious that this is “chaotic quirky fun”.
And according to the comments, the thing the 2nd movie lost is not the fun, but the brain.
@@Khazar321 To be fair, I also didn't detect much brain in the 1st one. It's just a bunch of things happening for, you know, reasons, and this one also seems just to be a bunch of things happening for, well, reasons, but different reasons and different rules.
He's big on movies not having plot holes, which are especially difficult to avoid when the movie has supernatural/paranormal elements that wouldn't exist in real life.
3:15 - Glad the pitch meeting pointed out that event. I was like "Wait, so that's that then?"
Hey man, I liked that slideshow from the thing I just watched. It really gave me a sweet nostalgia hit for that thing I just watched
The slideshows are tight.
You remember the time we watched slideshows from the thing we just watched? Ah, so nostalgic.
Perhaps there should be a clip show compilation of the best of slideshows of things that we may or may not have once watched.
Love how you slipped "Deetz Nutz" in there 😂😂😂
That’s what she said
I've said it once, and I'll say it again; there was absolutely no need to bring back the Deetz' at all. It could've been a completely new story and characters, and as long as BJ himself is still in it, it would still work. =\
But, money!
@@80PercentAshamedOfU I think it would've still made money, but yeah. You're not wrong. XD
I saw this to see Winona Ryder again. Would not have seen it without some of the OG legends. Would have just assumed it was a shitty sequel and pointless cash grab.
@@JenniferLouise-rd8gk Well, that's kind of what it turned out to be anyway. As is the problem with a lot of "legacy sequels". But that's just fine; we each have our own reasons for going to see it. =)
@@BuckarooBanzai84 Thanks for the nice reply! :) I agree with you but I personally would’ve just simplified the story with the OG’s. Was this sequel cinematic art? No. Was it entertaining enough for me? Yes and I was happy to get out of the house for a few laughs. Just being honest. It was also pretty darn cool to see women in their 50s and 60s kicking ass and Michael Keaton in his 70s and still in his comedic glory. The modern cinematography adapted for this was cool to see too. Was it a mess? Yes. Was it a fun mess? Yes. Just my two cents. :)
I had been waiting for this episode specifically for months... And you hit every issue I had with the film on the head. Just like, a lot funnier than I do.
Was rewatching tons of old pitch meetings today waiting for a new one so this is PERFECT!
You mean TIGHT!
UA-cam didn't notify me for like 3 minutes, which is NOT tight!
6 mins for me :(
10 minutes for me. :(
Wow wow wow…. Wow
25 minutes for me. :(
3 hours for me. I see how I rate youtube...
It didn't make any sense for Astrid to know the book at all because if she did she wouldn't have got tricked. It would have made all the sense for Lydia to know the book because she had her teenage years to read through it with the Maitlands.
But then Lydia wouldn’t have gotten tricked in first movie either because that's when she originally read the entire book.
They used the book in such a BS way in this movie. The evil ghost boyfriend figured out his cheat from the book too somehow even though there’s no good reason it’d be in there
“We could have less story lines” “NO” is so funny that it’s super easy to laugh at, barely an inconvenience
I'm frustrated with how good this movie COULD have been if it had been focused solely on the plotline with the boyfriend. There was a good idea in there that just needed another rewrite or two.
I thought same after watching it last night. Get rid of the Monica Bellucci character entirely. Flesh out the murderous boyfriend. Bring beetlejuice into it organically after seeing Charles die and wanting to get out of the after life again, but have him actually needed when the kid tries to trade lives. Strip out about 12 other plot points including Justin Trudeau, the cop/actor nonsense and Catherine O hara dying.
@@jodybriggs1075 Also make beetlejuices's Ex an actual threat rather than just a character that like to manicingly walks down hallways throughout most of the movie
@@Papanza295 Just get rid of her. It felt like she was part of an early draft and Burton didn't want to get rid of her even after she had no place in the story. It's also a big mistake showing any level of backstory for Beetlejuice. He works so much better as an enigmatic, force of nature.
@@jodybriggs1075 It felt like they came up with the intro scene where she's putting herself together with BeeGees' tragedy going. Thought "yeah, this is really cool" and then forgot about her until the last 5 minutes
@@Papanza295 Things like that, or the "Soul Train" sight gag/ music number were so cringe. Burton's old movies worked because they were a mix of whimsical and dark. There was a legitimately threatening element to Beetlejuice as well as the comic side. He's either lost touch, or interest with his macabre side. Even the reveal that kid killed his parents was totally overshadowed by the fact it made absolutely no sense. How was the house still just a regular house with lights, TV, etc running if everyone was dead for 20 years? It all just felt really surface level and lazy.
"There's a lot of story lines. "
"You can have less of them."
"No."
Feeling personally called out for that one.
Took my kids to see this at a drive in theater. Ahead of time it seemed to make sense since I saw Beetlejuice in the 80’s and last watched a movie at a drive in that same decade. Unlike in the 80’s I have kids now that won’t sit still or shut the fuck up and so pretty much spent 60 bucks on a movie I couldn’t see or pay attention to.
Warner Bros: "So how many storylines are we going to have in this?"
Alfred Gough and Miles Millar: "Yes"
I can’t wait for the sequel to come out in 35 years where the title is Beetlejuice 3 times so Beetlejuice has to sit through every single screening of the movie!
You are the master of pitch meetings sir. Thank you.
👏👏👏 Agree 100% - Every single one of these points was going through my head while I was watching this movie. And I had plenty of time to think about them during that very long MacArthur Park scene
0:12 - 0:16 What the executives at Disney asks themselves every time they make a live-action remake.
Feel like that’s just Hollywood in general
Yep, when I think of something that's just been regurgitated it reminds of a studio executive.
It's interesting how Beetlejuice wasn't worth making a sequel to 35 years ago. But now it is.
They tried back then. Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian. You can imagine why it didn’t go through
Instead they did the animated TV series on Fox.
tim burton had 35 years to come up with a sequel and THIS was what he decided on???? SMH
I feel like he's had like a dozen different ideas over the decades, and ultimately decided to just throw ALL of them into one movie. And because he's all big and famous, there's not enough people who will tell him, "No." Sometimes an honest editor is your best friend.
Any one or maybe two of these plotlines could have been the movie and it would have been fine. But no. They're all in there, and we had to deal with the potholes and confusion.
This movie was in development hell for a long time and the original plans were totally dropped. This movie was not written over the course of 35 years. It was written over much less time by writers who are much newer to the industry
@@sylph8005they were probably dropped when Jeffrey Jones dropped trau for someone
The main thing I'm actually really shocked about, is how little the movie actually cost to make compared to all modern productions. Like only $100mill but has made over $1billion
It's at 425 million worldwide currently, which is still good!
WB owed Michael Keaton after the *Batgirl* debacle.
Surprised there wasn't any mention of Baby Betelgeuse during this pitch.
Or Bob and his fellow shrunken headed buddies, can't believe they killed him off (again)
Or the 3 minute dream sequence to MacArthur Park.
@SCG99 I’m pretty sure it was 7 minutes. It was Burton’s idea to do the whole song apparently. It’s supposed to be like Day-O except they didn’t use the whole song there. But the cops and stuff were in that sequence so Ryan mentioned that
@@sylph8005that cake wasn't going to leave itself out in the rain
@@SCG99From the studio that brought you *Camelot* and still couldn't get Julie Andrews to do it when they actually asked her.
Watched The Substance yesterday, can't wait for that pitch meeting!
Giving birth to your clone out of your back is TIGHT!
Such a good movie! Wondering if Ryan would want to tackle this. 🤔
1:32
omfg!!! YESSS!!!! I SAID THAT audibly in the theatre.
"So anyway her Dad dies."
"From what?"
"Trying to catch Ferris Bueller."
"That works."
Okay. While it doesn't excuse the fact Astrid's dad is in community service for his afterlife. Apparently there's a newspaper in the movie that mentions deaths misidentified as suicides. But it's a freeze frame bonus
How can you misidentify having your head beaten off by a shark as suicide?
@@DoloresLehmann Super easy, barely an inconvenience- the victim wrapped raw meat around their head and jumped into shark infested waters. Come on, we’ve all thought of it as a way out of these endlessly regurgitated times...
@@reginaldfoley8803 Have we? I've certainly thought of many ways out, but this wasn't one of it 🙂
Have to compliment you on your imagination, though.
@@jb-3033 it's not a freeze frame bonus, I read it in real time. You just have to want to read the newspaper.
@@DoloresLehmann Astrid's dad, not Lydia's dad. Astrid's dad fell off a boat in the Amazon and was eaten by piranhas. Falling and jumping can look pretty similar.
If you're doing Halloween themed pitches, might I suggest The Addams Family and The Addams Family Values.
I didn't care for a lot of things in the movie, but Michael Keaton as Beetlejuice was priceless every moment he was on screen.
My only question after leaving the theater was "what was the point of the ex wife?"
Then I saw she's dating Tim Burton so 🤷🏾♀️
I need to never hear the words little boy and a tight in the same sentence again
had my coffee shooting out my nose at "deetz nuts" - top quality humor right there!
Beetlejuice baby scene is kind of traumatic, and both movies are about Beetlejuice trying to impregnant a teenage girl that's the archetype of a Tim Burton muse but we won't get into that.
He wasn’t necessarily trying to impregnate Lydia in the first movie. And all things considered, we haven’t gotten any SA allegations against Burton yet (though he seems totally fine with Depp’s), so we’ll just leave that there for now
@@sylph8005 Yeah Tim Burton's defense of Johnny Depp didn't sit right with me. And how he thought Winona being in that relationship was good for Johnny but he never cared about how it affected her
@@chrism8520 Beetlejuice didn't care about Astrid outside of Lydia asked him to save her and Lydia agreed to marry him in exchange. Beetlejuice is still obsessed with Lydia, who is in her 50s now. It was a little less creepy in the first movie because he only wanted to marry Lydia for power and her age was of no consequence, but then the 36 year obsession gets creepy.
@@tealmacfarlane Tbh I saw it less creepy in the sequel with him being attracted to an adult instead of a child. But also he still had a picture of her as a child so that's not much better
@@sylph8005I heard some accusations against Danny Elfman recently. Did those gain traction?
"What is culture if not a cyclical regurgitation of itself?"
You say this like a punchline, but you have to know this is exactly the definition of culture.
2:55 "Sir, c'mon...juggling well is for nerds."
*Me watching the video while juggling*
Me: "Well that felt targeted." 😢
Kevin Smith, like twenty years ago: "Didn't we say all we needed to say with the first Beetlejuice?"
Please also make a pitch meeting for the original Beetlejuice (1988)!!
Pitch meeting for Snow White 1937!!
Also _The Wizard of Oz._ That production had so many bizarre stories come out of it.
Loved this vid! Can you do a pitch meeting for Killer Klowns From Outer Space?? Thanks!!
Seconding this
A lot of the "unnecessary" stuff was also just gorgeous and performed with passionate campiness so we're not mad
1:09 "Deetz nutz" had me rolling 🤣
Being here 6 seconds after it hits is tight
Yes sir it is!
real
Thats tight homie 😊
It sure is!
I hear arriving in 6 seconds happens to a lot of guys... At least that's what my girlfriend tells me 😢
Making a Rings of Power Season 2 pitch meeting would be tight.
The Woke Critic did a pretty good job.
Except you’re and now asking Ryan George to sit through hours of dreck. Why you hate Ryan?
I don't think I could ask anyone to stay awake for the entirety of the season.
Seriously, this content made my day!
A lot of people sure do come to this guy to pitch their movie.
For so many years I was waiting for this mov... sketch!! 🎉❤ 👍 👏
"How'd she find that specific article so fast?
"Speed reader I guess. I don't care."
😆😆🤮🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
One of the things that bugged me about that - in the original movie there was a scene where the dead couple are complaining about how the Handbook for the Recently Deceased was a hard read. Then teenage Lydia quipped that she read it all and it made sense. I guess in 35 years, she forgot most of that, even though she’s been hosting a ghost talk show.
@@kyerinn I mean... yeah. How much obscure literature do you remember that you read over 30 years ago to its entirety? Hell, how about even 10 years ago? She's popping pills and on a verge of a break down almost every day for the last couple of decades because of her experience with Beetlejuice and constant ghost sightings. I doubt she retained a random book she read as a kid
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It worked. This pitch meeting appeared.
THANK YOU! This is the slowest movie I’ve ever seen and there’s like three plot lines that didn’t need to be in the movie at all
"Juggling is for Nerds" "So we not gonna do that" should be the next running joke in these pitch meetings.
"Deets Nutz" is one of those jokes that reminds me that Pitch Meetings aren't just recycled catchphrases that every loves every video but a lot of awesome original jokes too. The catch phrases are so catchy I keep forgetting.