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When Kenny (Everett) Met Frankie (Howerd) Good Afternoon 1980
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- Опубліковано 21 січ 2023
- Good Afternoon Plus - Thames TV 28th March 1980
Hosts: Mavis Nicholson and Simon Reed
This will make painful viewing for those who, like me, love Frankie Howerd. Though it is not his finest hour, it shows another side of the great comedian, when confronted with his nemesis, a new, young and highly successful comedian. We also see Howerd dealing uncomfortably with retorts from a fellow performer who was not bound by showbiz etiquette or politeness when cornered by his aggressor. Ironically, both men were gay in private but ambiguous in their public personas.
Frankie Howerd (and his two sisters) used to teach Sunday School at the church my Grandfather was vicar of (St Barnabas in Eltham). Apparently he was often late for the planning sessions & would often 'wing-it' at Sunday School resulting in lots of laughter coming from the classes he was taking!
When Frankie appeared in panto in Eastbourne I took my Grandma to see him at one of the matinee performances. After the show Grandma insisted on going to the stage door. The stage manager asked what she wanted "Can you tell Frances that Ruby Rogers is here to see him" she asked.
Next thing I knew, Frankie himself turned up and whisked us off to his dressing room. They then spent 3 hours catching up on old times in Eltham. Frankie arranged for extra food for us to eat with him. At one point during the afternoon Frankie asked me a series of probing questions about my life in the Navy (him 'interviewing' Kenny reminded me so much of that afternoon.)
Frankie was kind and funny without having to resort to any of his catchphrases and it was a surprise to all of us when, 3 hours later, there was a knock at the door to say "curtain up in 5 minutes Mr Howerd" for the evening show.
Unfortunately, St. Barnabas Church has now erased its connections with Frankie Howerd by removing his name from the church hall next door to it.
@@TREVORALLMAN - Oh, what a shame. Do we know why?
@@analogueman123456787 I haven't a clue. I'm presuming a new vicar took over and decided "The Frankie Howerd Community Centre" sign above the door of the hall wasn't the look he liked.
@@TREVORALLMAN - Ah, right-ho. Thanks for the update. Much appreciated.
@@TREVORALLMANwhat a pathetic thing to do. The new vicar will be forgotten long before Frankie.
What a treat seeing Mavis Nicholson. She held it together very well.
yeah like the fact that she was well into it.. specially at the end when kenny threw water over everybody ..would there have been complaints about it these days ?
Indeed .... quick on her feet .... not like the .%^&$£* people today !
She was very affectionate towards Kenny and quite touchy-feely. Watching this made me realise how very different things are today.
@@Pfthconsidering popular freeview tv, social media and hysterical cancel culture, it really does look like the fall of western civilisation. But having said that, it's also obvious that the (upper) ruling classes have an iron grip on on what they're doing. Covid, conspiracies like g20 & wef and the looming cbdc's prove that.
Two of our sadly missed comic geniuses.
People who cure diseases, send rockets to the moon and discover DNA are geniuses. Comedians are just narcisistic t***s who are incapable of contributing anything to humanity except being a complet t***. As is the case with these two.
Where?
@@Beedee729
What a Karen thing to say... perhaps to be.
@@mortalclown3812 ooh, edgy. What a towering intellect.
@notafanofem your opinion
How many people are aware that the other presenter Simon Reed is in fact the younger brother of the legendary Oliver Reed.
Never knew
Jeez ,had no Idea, I've seen him many times ,now that it's pointed out, can see the resemblance
And Simon Reed was commentating on the tennis at the Paris Olympics over the past 2-3 weeks.
Two legends of comedy together in one show, the likes of which we will never see again. Thank you so much for sharing this, brings back so many happy memories for me 😎👍
Frankie Howerd says, "First time I have ever had anyone in my arms wearing a beard." Kenny Everett retorts, "That's not what I've heard!" Hilarious. Thank you for the upload.
Frankie howerd was brilliant and been gone 31 years ago today x 😢
🤣🤣🤣
Howerd was of course, gay, and very, very secretive about it. You can see his expression when he says "well you heard wrong", he was genuinely annoyed. And throwing water into Kenny's face at the end...not ENTIRELY for laughs, I think.
Wonderful wonderful, just wonderful
@@andy6576yes I noticed that he wasn't too happy about it :/
They were all completely off their trolleys and why bloody not ? 😂😂😂❤❤❤
That would help in this day and age .
You have to be mad to be sane in this crazy world.
TV was SOoo different in those days.
I have to say how good it is to see something so unpolished
Spontaneous and quite tactile too compared to today - everyone too afraid to act spontaneously or intimately today for fear of being persecuted on social media for the rest of time, and having law suit after law suit filed against them.
@@igakoga2481 Errr… where have you been these past 20 years?
I love that Kenny, very relatable. I was the stick insect too. We used our brains to get out of fights because we had no muscles.
I remember a time when two little bullies were swinging on my school tie, I was already 6 feet tall.
I thought "I've had enough of this.' Let them think they've won, fell on top of them.
One ended up with a broken collar bone and the other got a broken leg.
I never got picked on after that. A little ironic, most people say that we need to stand up to bullies.
I prefer to squash them.
Anyway, I hope no one is suffering. Please all enjoy your days. ❤
Thank you that made me laugh!❤️
I was the fat kid, low self esteem, got picked on and bullied a lot in the 80s, never managed to hit back, well done for breaking their bones, wish I’d had the ability or chance but age taught them all a lesson, school is a very short and pointless time in our lives, if we are inherently decent people.
@@916hayabusa
I get you Haya.
Learned so much more between school and now.
Yeah, I would never hit back, just let things happen, tw@ts got hurt, well, it was their own fault for treating me like a playground.
I hope you can put that All behind you now, mate.
Enjoy yourself x
Violence is never the answer. I hut the school bully ,the school laughed at him and a week later he jumped off a bridge.i dont blame myself.i dont feel sorry but i pity his family.
@@paulbradley705
Fcuk man.
Some things we just have to put behind us.
I hope you are doing well.
💪
Frankie, a deep thinker, intelligent and curious to learn about new people. Kenny was really crazy, but naturally funny too
Two comic legends the late Frankie Howard and Kenny Everett both legends in their life time sadly missed but certainly not forgotten 😔
What a super format. I love the interaction and freedom between guests and interviewers. Magical.
I’ve been looking on-and-off for this program for years. Thank you very much for sharing it.
I’ve adored Frankie since I was a child. My grandad was also a fan. We had the opportunity to see him in pantomime one year, but he had to bow out at the last minute because of a leg operation so we got George Takei instead. George Takei was brilliant but it was such a shame we never saw Frankie. One of my regrets in life is that I never got to see him live.
It’s absolutely great to see Frankie and Kenny working so well together.
Grew up with comedy like this when comedy was funny at no one's EXPENSE 😊 CLASSIC GOLD ❤
Kenny is such a sweet and beautiful soul.
When Kenny (Everett) Met Frankie (Howerd) Good Afternoon 1980 2236m 25.5.23 both starred in thrillers - cinema wise. dunno if howerd did a voice over or created a cartoon character, though... as for this allegedly cringe worthy episode - old mavis seems to be losing it, here... much to the audience's glee, though...
Was!
Love Frankie as well, he just always makes me smile and laugh, xxx
RIP Frankie Howerd: 6 March 1917 - 19 April 1992, RIP Kenny Everett born Maurice James Christopher Cole; 25 December 1944 - 4 April 1995 and Mavis Nicholson (née Mainwaring; 19 October 1930 - 8 September 2022
Sadly gone but never forgotten, two great comedians of an era of camp comedy just on the edge, absolutely brilliant.
Talking of being nervous, I was watching Kenny's hands very closely expecting at any moment for him to whip frankies toupee off. But it shows that his anarchy was just an act. They did have a little gay dig at each other but it was all done in the best possible taste. ❤ So many of the great comedians are now only with us through videos and films.
I grew up with the kennys video show before he moved to bbc loved that programme where pop stars came on taking the mick could listen to him all day cuddly ken you are missed
This is such a wonderful random interview... What would I do to go back to this simple..time. We are bombarded by internet everything..this is a real time capsule of how it should be. Thank you so much of reminding me.
We've taken a wrong turn, haven't we? for sure.
You can detect Kenny's shyness. That's classic for an otherwise, seemingly madcap personality.
This was broadcast just 3 days before I was born (1st April, 1980). Surreal. But the Thames TV ident formed a core memory in my early years. My mum recorded Star Wars off TV for me, and it had that Thames ident at the start. I watched it on a loop hundreds of times.
Maaah meee meeep meee Paaah pah pah paaaaaaarp.
My God, I can only imagine the jokes and innuendo that would be delivered if this interview at the beginning was televised in 2023! It would probably end with an investigation.
Several law suits, all four of them torn to pieces on social media, vilified in the mainstream press and then cancelled. But, you know, things can only get better.
There was a childlike vulnerability with Kenny. A lot of his humor was quite childlike too. You couldn't help but like him.
Kids loved his shows back in the late 70s and early 80s I know I did...
Good old uncle Kenny the world is a much duller place without him, and Frankie too!😔🙏✌️
He wasn’t very funny, more cringeworthy if anything.
@@david-pb4bi yeah well most of the guy's and young lads watching were mainly watching for the eye candy/hot chick's in skimpy outfits!😂
Mavis felt a real warmth towards Kenny 🥰
The line about , first time i have had a man with a beard in my arms, and Kenny replies not what I heard. A classic!
This struck Frankie to the heart “ well, you heard wrong “.
Thank you for uploading this. I think I misremembered the tone of the exchange between Kenny and Frankie ("That's not what I heard" "Well you heard wrong!"). Perhaps I was more sensitive in those days, because I remembered it as a rather poisonous moment. Seeing it again, it seems just a bit of waggery (although dishonest). Perhaps I was reading too much into it back in the day.
Isn't UA-cam wonderful? A vaguely remembered bit of daytime TV that I never imagined I would see again, now available, thanks to you.
I think those are great observations. There's an undercurrent of envy between them, and Nicholson and Reed are out of their depth. I'm surprised Frankie's syrup didn't come off at the end!
I think for Frankie it would have been embarrassing but a bit of release if that toupee had jumped off and did a dance with a cane and top hat to the silvery moon.
@@joanneentwistle7653 did he think people didn't know it was a toop?
Brilliant to see these two together, hilarious interactions and an appropriately chaotic ending that was clearly brewing as the show progressed!
Two. Great comics from different generations and will never see the likes of them again. So sad thanks for posting rest in peace Kenny and Frank
How respectful is Kenny Everett….two wonderful comedians😅….
I still miss wonderful Kenny after all these years :(.
Great to see him with the amazing Frankie. Class like this was the norm back in those days. Now we've got Nish Kumar and Sara Pascoe FFS
I do think poor old Kenny is looking worse for wear here and quite depressed. I think he suffered a fair bit with it. Love you Ken wherever you are.
frankie howerd never fails to entertain . love to hear him speak. v intelligent and funny.
Thank you david benson it at night 11.15 pm and watching this i was transported back to 1981 God bless you
I grew up watching these 2 in the 80s. Been a kid and seeing these 2 was mind blowing. This clip is pure tv gold. 📺 back in the day when tv was very watchable.
Love Kenny ❤️ they definitely don't make them like this anymore 2 wonderful people sadly missed
RIP 🙏 gentlemen ❤
I think Mr Howard lived just near the Churchill lights and we always had to say he lived there on passing his house. I love listening to him especially in Up Pompey.
Kenny is so self conscious and nervous. His own show gives one the idea he is the opposite, but in front of other funny people he retreats into a shell. Probably a lot to do with the bullying he got in his younger days
Fascinating 38 minutes from 1980. We almost had it all but instead we got history.
I bet the directors and staff in the control room were tearing their hair out 😆. Absolutely brilliant!!!
This is a wonderful video, a real gem. The only thing painful about it is your description of it.
Wow, screen full of legends. Back when TV was good, no politics :) Me as an 8 year old.
Two immense talents sadly gone.
Loved that the whole thing was slightly out of control. I never found Kenny Everett that funny, but he certainly made things unpredictable and they were very brave to allow him on.
all done in the best possible taste (of course) 🙂 x
Two greats gone. Thank you gents for all you gave us
Thank you for posting this!
I love it
Laughter literally saves lives so these wonderful characters are true heros. ❤❤❤
Both men found it hard to accept their sexuality. They had that in common.
Kenny didn't find it hard to accept it. It was those around him who struggled to accept it.
When Kenny (Everett) Met Frankie (Howerd) Good Afternoon 1980 i'd put 'em all in a field and bomb the bastards!!!! as for this allegedly cringe worthy regional stab at light entertainment scrutiny... it aint that bad. i am sure they have other notables to interrogate. and i will seek more of this out.... the guy's impression of howerd was sadly, titter ye not - literally... but beats listening to neighbours play recordings of household chores eg: washing machines or tables being dragged across a floor... can't say that's entertainment but there you go...
@@StrawberrySunday212He certainly did and was in the closet for many years even getting married knowing full well he was gay to keep up appearances
What a wonderful interview. Franky and Kenny were both unique and very funny ,silly, perhaps but always a pleasure to watch.
R.I.P you silly sods.
It wasn't often that Frankie was himself in front of the cameras, but I think he came across quite well actually. And fair play to Kenny, who let him speak for the most part without dragging the attention onto himself.
All in all, a very enjoyable glimpse of the 'old guard' in the company of the 'new wave' back in 1980.
The good days of wonderful comedy& happy carefree television, not like today
Pure gold. Thank you so much, Mr. Benson.
When Kenny (Everett) Met Frankie (Howerd) Good Afternoon 1980 2238pm 15.5.23 easy to entertain the welsh.
Just…wow! Lol…wonder if kenny ever did get frank back to the flat to discuss a few joke interpretations? A gem of a find, many cheers. Mavis and Kenneth Williams is a good watch too
kenny was like uk version of robin williams always animated etc .. now if those too on set together my oh my 😂🤣
Kenny Everett was a TV genius and his radio show was amazing 🌈
Simon Reed on the right is now a Tennis commentator broadcaster and the brother of the late Oliver Reed !
I haven't seen him on anything else apart from a documentary, after his Dad died, saying how crazy drunk he was.
@@therespectedlex9794 father or brother?
@@KatMusic2009 Oh right, quite correct, yes sorry. Simon is his younger brother, by about nine years, I think.
From different epochs. Howard developing his characterisation and humour to appease and tickle live generic profile audiences of his time (that I think he developed during his military conscription time). Everett just developing what he had, from his nature and life observations, in an era of far greater choice, freedom and audience selectivity (inherent in radio vs "the only theatre in town"). Kind of like Edinburgh fringe comedy: - no captive audience => no captive comedian => Marmites. I loved KE on the radio - belly laughs!
I heard recently that Kenny would spend hours and hours snipping bits of audiotape together to make his shows - it would have been so much easier/quicker with modern digital technology so I wonder how his humour would have developed.
That bit where Simon says to Frankie " You nearly concerted me" had me laughing for all the wrong reasons XD
I’m detecting here that Frankie and Kenny quite disliked each other. Kenny was obviously uncomfortable and irritated by Frankie’s probing condescending questions, while Frankie I felt challenged Kenny at whether he was in fact funny (a comic) at all.
And yet they clearly enjoyed snuggling up to one another. I sensed that there was some good old fashioned rivalry between them, and equally some mutual admiration too.
In these 'different' times so difficult to watch, stellar stars of their time but having watched the 'mockumentary' about Frankie Howerd, incredibly difficult to watch his behaviour towards Kenny Everett..Oh BBC you are going down..Goodbye licence fee..
I do love Kenny, very sadly missed. When people could just laugh and not take life too seriously.
Or worry about every minuscule aspect of their personality being put under the microscope on social media and shredded to pieces.
Frankie Howerd was asking Kenny questions to avoid being asked questions about himself.
You reckon? He wasn't averse to talking about himself, tbf.
I think there is something attractive about Mavis. I really cant explain it
Wow...how refreshing to see what it was like appearing on television without restriction. Imagine if that interview was today...there'd be no innuendo, throwing of water, slapping or anything. How times have changed and NOT for the better.
Both working at Thames at the same time , hence both available to appear on this live afternoon show. This was recorded at the Teddington studios , most of the Afternoon and Afternoon Plus programmes were recorded at smaller studios in Euston Road.
Was this recorded at Teddington? That studio looks very small, more like their Euston Road studios.
@@johnking5174 Euston Studio 5, a lot smaller than even the smallest Teddington Studio 3 (where Magpie was made)
Smiled all the way through! classic!
I have never heard of this show. Love the host. She is a bit like a slightly tipsy loving auntie.
Thank you! That was utterly marvellous
It was utterly Mavis 😉
Howard had never seen a comedian with a beard, Everett should have said, " I've never seen a comedian with a rug on his head."
😮
Mavis was so beautiful, RIP
For a bloke.
@The Respected Lex what do you mean a bloke. She's a real woman nut a man
@@douglastaggart9360 I think a lot of women look better than her, and most of them are men.
Couldn't stand the old bag at the time, but this made me warm up to her a bit
Rather fascinating if uneasy watching😅Ray Milland and Frankie-Clash of The Syrups!
Fascinating: they are so different and yet so the same.
What a superb programme. Fascinating. I’ve never seen this before - but how insightful, and controlled of the official interviewers once frank started asking Kenny stuff to hang back and just see how it ran … fascinating even though Kenny clammed up in many ways. Clearly both very thoughtful people.
God Bless and keep you, Frankie, I love you and miss you greatly.
Mavis was a great interviewer
Would love to have seen a conversation between Kenny and Andy Kaufman.
Thank you for archiving that vid, David 😂
It gave me a lot of memories and emotions.
Ken and Frank... rest in pieces ❤ 😊
Titter ye not, Scrubbers. x
'Simon Reed', the brother of late 'Oliver Reed' !
Couldn't stop looking at mavis what a cougar!
Who'd have thought she was 50 when this was made. Love the accent too!
@@russellwhite1581it’s Geordie
She’s welch
That was hilarious. Thank you for posting. 😂😂
Queens of comedy.
Who remembers Captain Kremen and (my personal favourite) Carla... hahaha
Thanks for sharing David,just brilliant!
First time seeing this show...I hope you got others shows in the volts ...
Well , hopefully they weren't electrified!!! 😃
Thank you for uploading this
Could you imagine going to dinner with those two -- wow, it'd great !. Mavis Nicholson was gorgeous, I always had a crush on her !
Just imagine if Kenny and Robin Williams got together, what could have been !
Anarchy!
When I was a child I used to think they were the same person. 😄
I'm now imagining Kenny in a Carry On film!
She was so very good, she acted so naturally with them when they were so spontaneous :-y she was the voice of sanity but she was as fun as they were
(/^v^)\ ❤️🥇🏆
Even if we had talent like that these days. They wouldn’t be able to give the best of themselves. Certainly not on the BBC. They were both comic geniuses. Very sadly missed.
Kenny Everett super genius and hilarious
The days before comedy and innocence died.
R I P ,Kenny,❤
Very much my era but bloody hell hosts in those days were wooden. Makes you appreciate what a diamond Parky was.
Mavis was always very good and relaxed but Reed was terribly wooden.
Mavis was most certainly not wooden.....she handled the anarchy very well and came across as warm and affectionate!
That was one of the most genuinely anarchic interviews ive seen on mainstream TV...and thats coming from somene who actually is a political anarchist!....Sadly the over muscled Charles Atlas time is back nowadays, and even worse than it was in the 1950s, when Kenny was a kid. Folk were thin in the 1960s and 1970s and, as he says, the artistic type was in fashion. Now its the fashion to spend way too much time in the gym building up the six pack, and not bother to do ANY artistic or intellectual things at all. Which is partly why Britain has so few good music bands or interesting DJ's or even comedians nowadays. Is that an improvement? Nah, mate, nah...
Frankie looks rather nervous sitting in the audience .
The funny thing is that although their characters are jarring within this kind of format (two jesters never works) you also get the feeling that after a few drinks and time to relax around each other that they would actually have some pretty interesting conversations, probably not broadcastable in tone but as we know they had much in common besides their sexual proclivities, being in the same industry, experiences/gossip of other industry figures etc.
I never saw this show because I was working, but now looking back how glad I am that I’ve lived through those times, I was 19 then😢
Frankie's denial of wearing a wig and being gay is quite sad in a way. Both blatantly obvious to everyone else , but he just couldn't face up to it and be true to himself.
He wasn't in denial about being gay. He had a male partner for more than 30 years. He just wasn't comfortable about being public about it.
Nobody was openly gay.Elton John married a woman.