The mineral oil is running hot because the PSU is inside the tank. The PSU alone with its transformers, capacitors, and mosfets will reach200*F. The PSU would of been fine outside the tank, and the cpu, and gpu would of performed better!
Also, make sure you are pushing hot oil up and pumping the cooled oil at the bottom. Want a powerful pump with a good radiator and a push pull setup on the radiator.
The temp of the PSU doesn't matter, it's the thermal dissipation. Modern PSUs are what, 90% efficient? So a 1000 watt system will have a power supply pumping 100ish watts into the oil. Oh no, an extra 10% heat. Sure, it will make an impact, but it isn't some end boss for thermal management.
I don’t think that the GPU and CPU could perform better than that. Both the CPU and GPU loads were at 100% already. And 20° bellow the point of throttling (100°c) I mean, you would need to overclock it first, but then you would need another power supply because 450w ain’t that much.
ya'll need to actively cool the tank. small a/c condenser in the tank with a pump flowing oil over it instead of pumping it through a rad and cooling it with room temp air.
Oh lord, you guys are back at it. I know it's not dangerous for the parts by the most part but I wouldn't dare. I'm still waiting for a Shrek themed Mineral Oil PC tho. Must have Green Mineral Oil, not sure if that's a thing but...I'm sure you can figure something out. Amazing video!!!
Why didn't you rinse and dry the rocks before putting them in the tank? Your oil is full of rock dust which won't be good for your CPU/GPU fans and heatsinks.
It's an external radiator, why not a 420 rad? The pump can obviously handle it and the extra rad capacity would hopefully benefit the cooling for the oil..... just an opinion though. Would love to see a vid on it.
the mineral oil is running hot, even though the design of oil allows to absorb heat via it's surface area, it's not sufficient. Designs Ive seen use as many as Nine fans. Try running a thinned tube thru a freezer. Most vertical freezers have a drain on the bottom for defrosting. Open it insert a loop of tubing then seal the drain with solidifying paste.
In my opinion the heat is not pumped out enough through the fans above the CPU. You should put a good heat dissipation surface with a larger surface area at the fans where mineral oil pipes are going through. A small tweak would make it perfect.
This is pretty old stuff, they used to sell kits. The problem is the mineral oil will start to break down and be conductive, then you can guess what happens.
@@yourface3154 I believe it's around 2 years but can last longer, but with fans blowing in the top the more dust and skin flakes, and other contaminants, the less time it'll last.
You need more activity in the tank, mineral oil has a higher thermal capacity than air, but is harder to move so will pool heat rather than taking it away. But if is being actively mixed this should counter that. I also like the idea of actively cooling the oil too, this would have an amazing effect while avoiding issues with condensation too. Great job though. Am jealous.
Ok, so this video is a year old. But I do have a question. What would happen if you dropped some dry-ice pellets into the tank? Since the components are submerged you don't have to worry about condensations. And the dry ice would cool the oil down significantly. You probably even put the dry ice in a zip-top freezer bag if you're worried about the dry ice fouling the oil.
3 tanks, 1 with ice cold oil in a isolated tank, 1 for the PC with more space, more fluid and in a non isolated tank the last one where the oil from the PC tank goes in, cools down and goes in the cold tank again I think a good circle is here the right way....sry for my bad english Edit: maybe to cool it down take these service plates from a ice cream shop😂
Hmm...if water doesn't mix with oil, why not add a Peltier cooler to cool the oil? The downside of that method with air is ambient condensation, but with oil all around, it should not have the same effect. The only remaining factor would be power consumption, but I recon it would still be less cost to operate than a comparable performing compressor with liquid refrigerant.
Yeah, larger tank with more volume for better thermal capacity, and a better rad system, I've seen tank builds go just fine with the proper large fanless heatsinks and a good circulation.
It's obviously going to cool better than air, this isn't meant to be recreated, but if you do, it'll do better than air and depending on the setup, the same or better than water. However, you're not ever going to build one, so why ask?
@@LugiThePainDrinker temps and performance are not obvious to everyone. Sure, I'm not going to try and replicate this science project, but I'd sure like to see numbers, so that I can compare. That's all.
Im building up a new computer this week, well up grading but don't think I'll ever do a build like this lol makes me nervous :P as always great vid!!!!
Use a small turbo/supercharger intercooler for a car.. the mineral oil being so thick creates an extreme back pressure trying to push its way through the thin fins of the radiator due to viscosity.. intercooler passageways are slightly larger. Move more coolant more faster get more cool. And thats fast maths. Also.. remove the power supply from the tank given the nature of it being a toaster oven more than any other component and has no passive cooling in there really at its temps...
You really need a new idea for replacing the cpu and GPU fans, cooling blocks hooked to a better pump maybe. Typically oils on electronics clean off with ethanol (you'll want to soak it).
They Make Pumps that are for Pumping Oil called "Oil transfer pumps" I feel like that would be better they are Geared instead of using a turbine And since Oil has a Higher Heat capacity than air I also Feel like it would be Appropriate to use 2 Radiators and Mount them on the Backside of the tank
Feedback: please, explain stuff while working on it. It took 9 minutes for the video to actually start. Or record it and do a voiceover with some graphics showing or pointing to what you’re talking about. It should help with viewing retention. Or not, I have anxiety issues and was getting stressed about how long it took for you guys to actually start building the PC, while most of the video is just talking and pointing a camera at stuff. Again, that could be just me tho.
My first Mineral oil pc was 18 years ago since than i have build about 6 mineral pc and i still re use the parts because over the years i learned how to clean them good so the can be re used.
Also wrong, you still want the heatsinks, just not the fans. Swap the heatsinks to some of the large fin fanless types with more surface area for best results.
didnt linus do this years ago when they were still working out of a house? I may be wrong, but i feel like i remember seeing a pc like this on that channel years ago
He did! He said recently that people ask him about it all the time, and it's even brought up internally and he always shoots it down lol. It's terrible to work with. I did one with a friend using some crap spare parts and it just... Was not fun.
I'm pretty sure that LTT themselves didn't do a mineral oil PC build, but they did a video about Luke's mineral oil PC that he made before ever joining LMG.
I'm sure it's been mentioned... but u need to have the chips directly exposed to the fluid.... remove the fan coolers... they are a restriction in this setup they are blocking the fluid from making direct contact without that this is pointless..... strip everything from the chip sets... remove the psu
You can most definitely drink mineral oil, just in small doses but be ready to not go more than 4 feet from your bathroom for a while!😂😂 also if you ever hope to reuse the parts at a later date an alchohol bath to rinse the parts followed by a spray down with Break cleaner or contact cleaner blot dry with a shop towel to check for remaining oil and bobs ya uncle!
Looks rly cool but I was expecting way more lower temps :D still such messy build, hard to handle and still 80+ degrees on full load, better just stick with a water cooling max :D this leave for amusment ^^ but great project guys and work ! GRATZ :D
Since oil is more viscous and thicker than air, the fans on the CPU and GPU are bound to die soon, aren't they? Why not expose the CPU and GPU directly to the oil? It would heat the oil at the warm locations and possibly help with convection-like hot oil heat transfer...
Just keep in mind that your plastics get brittle and things will break easily when you take them out to change them. Mineral oil is interesting but not for general purpose.
The mineral oil is running hot because the PSU is inside the tank. The PSU alone with its transformers, capacitors, and mosfets will reach200*F. The PSU would of been fine outside the tank, and the cpu, and gpu would of performed better!
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Also, make sure you are pushing hot oil up and pumping the cooled oil at the bottom. Want a powerful pump with a good radiator and a push pull setup on the radiator.
Would've or would have.
NOT would of.
The temp of the PSU doesn't matter, it's the thermal dissipation. Modern PSUs are what, 90% efficient? So a 1000 watt system will have a power supply pumping 100ish watts into the oil.
Oh no, an extra 10% heat.
Sure, it will make an impact, but it isn't some end boss for thermal management.
I don’t think that the GPU and CPU could perform better than that.
Both the CPU and GPU loads were at 100% already. And 20° bellow the point of throttling (100°c)
I mean, you would need to overclock it first, but then you would need another power supply because 450w ain’t that much.
Finally, something that combines computers with wetness. I've been waiting my whole life for this.
is water wet? is oil wet?
It's been a thing for a long time. Also water-cooling?
@@SkysTrains water cooling to be fair doesn't involve actually submerging anything in water. Lol
@@FormerRuling still computers and wetness
@@FormerRuling Neither does a mineral oil build...
What a way to build a computer
Indeed it is
@@CRi_Dynamic101 oil makes everything better
@@CRi_Dynamic101 right! It may not feel the best but it is
Air fryers are healthier option
ya'll need to actively cool the tank. small a/c condenser in the tank with a pump flowing oil over it instead of pumping it through a rad and cooling it with room temp air.
I have two fish tanks in my office so this would actually be awesome. Interesting proof of concept
Just don't let someone put a fish in the computer tank.
@@aguyandhiscomputer cod is fine
when you skipped the physics class in childhood:
Oh lord, you guys are back at it. I know it's not dangerous for the parts by the most part but I wouldn't dare. I'm still waiting for a Shrek themed Mineral Oil PC tho. Must have Green Mineral Oil, not sure if that's a thing but...I'm sure you can figure something out. Amazing video!!!
Enough food coloring oughta do
i didnt think the day decided to start looking into a mineral oil pc that i would find a mineral oil pc build made yesterday
Why didn't you rinse and dry the rocks before putting them in the tank? Your oil is full of rock dust which won't be good for your CPU/GPU fans and heatsinks.
first dont put the psu in the mineral oil, second you need the pups outlet pointing directly at the cpu and gpu.
It's an external radiator, why not a 420 rad? The pump can obviously handle it and the extra rad capacity would hopefully benefit the cooling for the oil..... just an opinion though. Would love to see a vid on it.
Pedro and Seth Rogen do tech. Interesting.
the mineral oil is running hot, even though the design of oil allows to absorb heat via it's surface area, it's not sufficient. Designs Ive seen use as many as Nine fans.
Try running a thinned tube thru a freezer. Most vertical freezers have a drain on the bottom for defrosting. Open it insert a loop of tubing then seal the drain with solidifying paste.
Funny. The automatic closed captioning function labels the Dremel cutting noises as "music".
Lol
In my opinion the heat is not pumped out enough through the fans above the CPU. You should put a good heat dissipation surface with a larger surface area at the fans where mineral oil pipes are going through. A small tweak would make it perfect.
Dope didn't think you could submerge it in anything wet you guys rock!!!
This is pretty old stuff, they used to sell kits. The problem is the mineral oil will start to break down and be conductive, then you can guess what happens.
@@yourface3154so you have to empty the tank and refill it with new mineral oil periodically
@@diegopinon5275 Yeah, probably every 6 months.
@@yourface3154 I believe it's around 2 years but can last longer, but with fans blowing in the top the more dust and skin flakes, and other contaminants, the less time it'll last.
Nice experiment, it's a lot of work. Good Job!
Impressive! I'm going to look into this!
You need more activity in the tank, mineral oil has a higher thermal capacity than air, but is harder to move so will pool heat rather than taking it away. But if is being actively mixed this should counter that. I also like the idea of actively cooling the oil too, this would have an amazing effect while avoiding issues with condensation too.
Great job though. Am jealous.
You need a bigger radiator. Get polished aluminum automotive radiator with big fans. The temps will drop and it will also look sick for a racing rig 👍
What about changing parts? You pull it out and deal with slippery oily screws? Crazy.
Ok, so this video is a year old. But I do have a question. What would happen if you dropped some dry-ice pellets into the tank? Since the components are submerged you don't have to worry about condensations. And the dry ice would cool the oil down significantly. You probably even put the dry ice in a zip-top freezer bag if you're worried about the dry ice fouling the oil.
You're gonna need a bigger boat 😉 !
I built one of these in tech school!
This was done at the dawn of liquid cooling. Using mineral spirits after a few months your shielding breaks down on the wiring
I'm just here cause you giving the a750 some love
3 tanks, 1 with ice cold oil in a isolated tank, 1 for the PC with more space, more fluid and in a non isolated tank the last one where the oil from the PC tank goes in, cools down and goes in the cold tank again
I think a good circle is here the right way....sry for my bad english
Edit: maybe to cool it down take these service plates from a ice cream shop😂
Hmm...if water doesn't mix with oil, why not add a Peltier cooler to cool the oil?
The downside of that method with air is ambient condensation, but with oil all around, it should not have the same effect.
The only remaining factor would be power consumption, but I recon it would still be less cost to operate than a comparable performing compressor with liquid refrigerant.
Hey y'all could add a cooler to the Mineral oil to keep it Colder so it would help the temps 💪🏼🙏🏼
More content like this please! Great, build to gaming ratio too. Muchly Enjoyed this one guy's :-). Cheers - Jass & Jacqui E.
Wow, that's crazy!!!
Looks like you started with at tank and jammed a computer in/on it. Somehow this needs to be more than a Frankenstein build.
Yeah, larger tank with more volume for better thermal capacity, and a better rad system, I've seen tank builds go just fine with the proper large fanless heatsinks and a good circulation.
A mineral oil cooled PC was built many years ago on The Screensavers. So not world's first but certainly not done often
I think they're implying it's the first all-Intel one with the Intel GPU.
Basically a First(*).
Love this kind of stuff, but you should have run the same games and settings on air first, so that there'd be a reference to compare temps...
It's obviously going to cool better than air, this isn't meant to be recreated, but if you do, it'll do better than air and depending on the setup, the same or better than water. However, you're not ever going to build one, so why ask?
@@LugiThePainDrinker temps and performance are not obvious to everyone. Sure, I'm not going to try and replicate this science project, but I'd sure like to see numbers, so that I can compare. That's all.
I don't understand why you decided to keep stock cooling systems. I'd try again with bare CPU & GPU.
Sick build guys! Always a pleasure to watch a toasty bros build.
Looks like it runs oilright
Question ? Why not 3d print a custom lid ?
How long do machines last in mineral oil? Whats the penetration to components and the circuit board?
Im building up a new computer this week, well up grading but don't think I'll ever do a build like this lol makes me nervous :P as always great vid!!!!
Ultimate liquid cooled build
Why don't you just melt the radiator outside of the tank and you can cool the processor directly that way
How about a refrigerator cooled mineral oil PC?
I actually remember some guy try this out years ago. He put it in a fish tank and it worked fine.
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Why do you need the radiator on top? Cant you just close the tank and use as a normal pc?
The only reason for the build is transparency and neom, but it doesn't help in heat management
This is really cool!
hoping for a budget intel arc a750 plus i3 12100f build plus benchmark
Use a small turbo/supercharger intercooler for a car.. the mineral oil being so thick creates an extreme back pressure trying to push its way through the thin fins of the radiator due to viscosity.. intercooler passageways are slightly larger. Move more coolant more faster get more cool. And thats fast maths. Also.. remove the power supply from the tank given the nature of it being a toaster oven more than any other component and has no passive cooling in there really at its temps...
You really need a new idea for replacing the cpu and GPU fans, cooling blocks hooked to a better pump maybe. Typically oils on electronics clean off with ethanol (you'll want to soak it).
Another radiator another pump
They Make Pumps that are for Pumping Oil called "Oil transfer pumps" I feel like that would be better they are Geared instead of using a turbine And since Oil has a Higher Heat capacity than air I also Feel like it would be Appropriate to use 2 Radiators and Mount them on the Backside of the tank
Why the random capitals?
Feedback: please, explain stuff while working on it. It took 9 minutes for the video to actually start.
Or record it and do a voiceover with some graphics showing or pointing to what you’re talking about.
It should help with viewing retention.
Or not, I have anxiety issues and was getting stressed about how long it took for you guys to actually start building the PC, while most of the video is just talking and pointing a camera at stuff.
Again, that could be just me tho.
Do you remember those mechanical fish they used to sell before? 🤔🤔 Anyway, you need one of those in there, lol 😅
I was coming to the comments to say exactly this seeing a mechanical fish in the tank would be awesome 😂
Popsicle sticks and straws and globs of glue. Should of bought a bigger tank lol
Wild. I see ppl ask Linus to build one of these all the time and now I see why he always says no
Bro i have the Optimus enabled and i'm searching an app that can upscale to 4k the resolution. Do you know One?
My first Mineral oil pc was 18 years ago since than i have build about 6 mineral pc and i still re use the parts because over the years i learned how to clean them good so the can be re used.
Uh didn't Patrick Norton and Robert herron do this back in like 08 for their show
You did it wrong. You should've removed the CPU air cooler and the fans from the gpu. Make sure it has direct contact with the mineral oil.
Also wrong, you still want the heatsinks, just not the fans. Swap the heatsinks to some of the large fin fanless types with more surface area for best results.
something interesting the hotter the mineral oil gets the less viscous it gets
didnt linus do this years ago when they were still working out of a house? I may be wrong, but i feel like i remember seeing a pc like this on that channel years ago
He did! He said recently that people ask him about it all the time, and it's even brought up internally and he always shoots it down lol. It's terrible to work with. I did one with a friend using some crap spare parts and it just... Was not fun.
This isn't the second only mineral oil computer on UA-cam, but as the title says it is the first all Intel one.
I'm pretty sure that LTT themselves didn't do a mineral oil PC build, but they did a video about Luke's mineral oil PC that he made before ever joining LMG.
Was done one The Screensavers many years before that
What's one way to get minerals in your system drink mineral
ok next build. Setup the CPU and GPU with water cooling. And THEN submerge it all in mineral oil.
When you don't have money for a case:
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Hey Tossty Bros I love your videos but I had to ask why was it showing i3 12100f instead of i3 13100
what if 3 sides of the tank were big passive heatsinks?? ontop of that cooling what you have now
should we add a one a day multivitamin?
I'm sure it's been mentioned... but u need to have the chips directly exposed to the fluid.... remove the fan coolers... they are a restriction in this setup they are blocking the fluid from making direct contact without that this is pointless..... strip everything from the chip sets... remove the psu
How about with The Dust Control?
Unfortunately lads, life of Boris beat you to it.
No way in hell you're getting 3,000 gallons per hour on that pump. My house water pump that was $300 and 4 times the size is 420 gph
you guys need a #-D printer..... good work.
Mineral oil is also used in bicycle disc brakes
what about plastic plants?
1:21 why do those AR glasses loot like them crappy pop-up shades that ya grandparents used to ware... XD
To keep them light. And the technology dictates a certain amount of the shape.
my boy seth rogen really likes his mineral oil
You should submerge the tank in ice water
make another with a bigger tank, the pump i think is fine
missed opportunity, shouldve used intel ssd
Arc = W streaming
You can most definitely drink mineral oil, just in small doses but be ready to not go more than 4 feet from your bathroom for a while!😂😂 also if you ever hope to reuse the parts at a later date an alchohol bath to rinse the parts followed by a spray down with Break cleaner or contact cleaner blot dry with a shop towel to check for remaining oil and bobs ya uncle!
Looks rly cool but I was expecting way more lower temps :D still such messy build, hard to handle and still 80+ degrees on full load, better just stick with a water cooling max :D this leave for amusment ^^ but great project guys and work ! GRATZ :D
I’m pretty disappointed there wasn’t any racing sim benchmarking in this video. Very cool otherwise
hot radiator hose always goes into the bottom.
Trippy ToastyBros
I use deionized water in my pc. it doesn't retain as much heat as mineral oil! You're welcome
You were using the 12100F in the first game
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Since oil is more viscous and thicker than air, the fans on the CPU and GPU are bound to die soon, aren't they? Why not expose the CPU and GPU directly to the oil? It would heat the oil at the warm locations and possibly help with convection-like hot oil heat transfer...
lil bit bigger case and add another pump and radiator
yes its over kill just to get normal fan temps but still cool
Day lost count for a free pc😅
I want to build this.
Just keep in mind that your plastics get brittle and things will break easily when you take them out to change them. Mineral oil is interesting but not for general purpose.
Why don’t you guys just get a bigger tank?
OVERKILL: Using oil to cool an i3 CPU
Not a world's 1st.....there has been a youtube short of a "fish tank" pc for a few years now
mineral oil is safe to drink though, it would just pass through without being digested
... And you'd crap for days.