RTX 4070 Ti SUPER, RX 7600 XT, AMD RDNA 4, Nvidia 5000 Price | AncientGameplays | Broken Silicon 241
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- Опубліковано 29 лип 2024
- Fabio joins to discuss the latest GPU releases, and expectations for RTX 5000 & RDNA 4!
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0:00 Who is Fabio? Are fake Benchmarking Channels Frustrating?
12:02 RADEON vs Nvidia Drivers over the Past 10 Years
24:34 Nvidia vs RADEON Mindshare in 2024
45:21 RTX 4070 SUPER (bad) Sales, RX 7900 XT Price Drop
59:48 What were the best and worst GPUs this generation?
1:14:12 RTX 4070 Ti SUPER Expectations and Overall SUPER Thoughts
1:27:17 AMD RDNA 4 Expectations
1:41:36 Nvidia RTX 5090 & Blackwell Pricing Expectations
1:48:03 Will GPU prices keep dropping?
1:56:40 Intel Battlemage Expectations - Let’s Turn the Page
2:05:16 Who Innovates the Most? Will RDNA 5 catch up in Ray Tracing?
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Nvidia feels like if you buy one of their 12gb cards this year/last year then you'll just need to buy another card next year when the next wave of games comes out. It feels like it's going to just be a waste of money. I bought a 1440p monitor about a year ago (my old one died) and then I got a new cpu+mobo+ram because my old system died so now I'm on the look out for a GPU (Rx 570 4gb) and what I'm seeing right now just seems like it'd be a bad idea to upgrade right now. I think the next wave of cards will help reduce price and maybe just better than this gen. RDNA 3 for example obviously had issues and if they can fix them in 4 then it'll be worth the wait. Nvidia are just expensive and disappointing due to ram being low in most of them or just taking the piss with the 4060 16gb model.
Also if you want to mess around with AI then 12gb is a bit low if you can get a 16gb or higher ram card for the same or cheaper price. Ai needs more ram rather than speed.
come on now, I know you are an AMD fanboy (how can anyone by the way be a fanboy of a multi billions dollar company by the way) but saying AMD drivers were "sometimes better than nvidia, 2 decades ago" come on now
Battlemage under $450 and I'm all in!
People buy NVIDIA because their drivers aren’t shit
Question. Could you elaborate on the relationship between the bus vs memory amount? I have 3070 ti. which has 8GB and 256 bit bus (608.3 GB/s bandwidth), but 4070 has 12GB and 192 bit bus (504.2 GB/s bandwidth). So... which one has better VRAM? I am confused. Is bus just an enabler for VRAM capacity and so it doesn't quite matter, or what's going on here?
EDIT: Sorry about my poor English by the way as I was quite tired, full day haha. Cheers!
Thanks for inviting me Tom! Hope that people can see well both out points of view :D
Your English is impeccable, no need to apologize.
so happy to see you get the recognition you deserve!
@@kent6732 thank you!
You provided a really good perspective and some really smart insights, thank you
good to see you on! dont worry about your english, i grew up bilingual in english and dutch and always thought ur english was very good. any small mistakes are charming. dont worry abt it bruh
Good to see Fabio, he's been doing gods work for AMD drivers for many years.
Portuguese jesus.
@@Joker-no1fz the bible says that the real Jesus looks nothing like that he is not white.
took him a long while to stop being so biased tho
And when is somebody not biased? When they comply to your biased opinion? Hahaha people and their double standards
@@damasterpiece08 watched him since 2020, i rarely see him getting biased with nvidia, yep he is more inclined towards amd but he's never unnecessary negative to nvidia.
I am here to support Fabio, he has been a great friend to the AMD community ..
i started watching him way back , i remember when Sapphire mentioned him, how big that was
The crossover I didn't expect. Good to see Fabio on the episode
The 5700xt is the first GPU I bought with my own money.
The first year of owning it would've been hell if it weren't for AncientGameplays testing, logging and sharing the most stable driver releases.
No other channel went above and beyond for Navi 10 testing.
Radeon is just smooth now. Just as stable as my Nvidia card, if not more.
The 5700xt started with 2060s on launch, now it's trading blows with a 2080s.
No one would've ever known that if not for channels like AncientGameplays. I'm sure AMD is grateful. I know I am.
If AMD should pay anyone for their contribution to its brand, I'd pick Fabio and Tom first.
I think the biggest damage to Nvidia's brand was caused by the 8GB VRAM on the RTX3070 becoming insufficient within 3 years. The fact that the RX6700XT and RX6800 can run some games above 60fps with settings that make the 3070 choke on the 8GB memory made many people ask questions about Nvidia's reliability as they still offer less VRAM within the same price tier compared to AMD.
Prices beyond an insult. A practice of saying people "We are milking you weather you like it or not. But you are the fan, so you will force yourself to think you like it."
3080 10gb too. But at least they sold it at a relatively "low" price.
@@formulaic78 Your kidding have you forgotten the two years of pandemic shortage and crazy prices?
Exactly why I went from the 3070 to the 7900 XT when it was at its cheapest
This. People are downplaying it. 95% of it was price gouging. The other 5% makes up stuff like too little ram, etc. @@HanSolo__
This guy is great. First of all, his driver vids are great.
His benchmarks with the overclockeded/undervolted cards compared to each other are unique and immensely usefull
Get Daniel Owen on here! The practicality of the information on his channel makes it a great reference in the tech space.
Let him know you want him to come on...
You heard the man! Lets see if Daniel would be able to join, we got the go from MLID here!
Still can't believe he got there reading from Video cardz and recording himself .
Tom and Daniel Owen on Broken Silicon would be another great mashup IMO.
@@MooresLawIsDeadWelp, we finally got a response! Thanks to @mattirealm who is a channel member pf Daniel Owen, he finally responded saying he'd like to make it happen. However, it may be awhile as he's been extremely busy especially with the school year.
So we may be waiting awhile, but atleast we've set it up to possibly happen! So maybe You and Daniel could start communicating and organizing if and when he appears on the show, and if it does, I and many others are gonna love it!
Fabio has been amazing when it comes to driver stuff and he has done a ton to help the community with very high engagement within those videos too.
Always comment on his videos and try and help out with his videos. Really good dude
Same! If I see a Fabio video, I click, like, comment (even if I have nothing to say) and play his ads on silent (because I've seen them a lot.)
I love how Fabio basically validated my "99.9% sure-fire fix for all Radeon problems" checklist:
1) Reset BIOS to defaults. Load XMP. Set boot device. DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING ELSE UNTIL YOU'VE VERIFIED SYSTEM STABILITY.
2) Reinstall Windows from the latest ISO from Microsoft if this install has seen another vendor chipset or GPU. DDU is NOT to be considered a "cross vendor tool".
3) Use a name-brand HDMI/DP cable and make sure it isn't any longer than it has to be. This fixed EVERY SINGLE black-screen issue during the RDNA1 era where everyone was complaining about it up and down reddit all the time.
It is actually crazy how many errors come from a faulty cable. In tests average DP cables beat Hdmi ones in quality.
In dome cases xmp can also give a lot of issues if you for example run 3600 MHz on AM5. These days it's working fine but in the past so. Ecpu's did not want to run that with older biosses. Especially with higher soc voltages.
@@Nelthalin So DDR4 speeds on AM5's DDR5-only platform? Or did you mean AM4? Btw, something I learned maybe a year after building my first PC (which was summer 2020), RAM speed is in Mega Transfers per second (MT/s) not MHz. Sometimes retailers advertise MHz on the product page, but in reality the memory clock for DDR4-3600, for example, will be running at 1800MHz. Double data rate (DDR) is why that speed is doubled and you get 3600 MT/s.
When I was on AM4 I personally never had any issues setting DDR4-3600 CL16 in XMP for my 32GB Crucial Ballistix kit. That was something that may have been difficult pre-Zen 2 (I had a slower RAM kit and stuck with DDR4-3200 with my Ryzen 5 2600) but when I upgraded to a Ryzen 7 3700X it had no trouble on my B450 Gaming Plus Max (BIOS was updated for Zen 2 out of the box). I didn't know much about SOC voltages at the time and let XMP do the work. I'm on AM5 now and tuned and overclocked my current RAM from DDR5-5600 to DDR5-6000 so SOC mattered but I followed Buildzoid's advice for timings and voltages and have had no issues with voltage being too high like some people have had with certain BIOS's on some motherboards this gen.
Happy to see these two get a show together
7600XT 16G feels akin to the day AMD announced the 580 8G immediately after the 4G version was announced. It was jaring back then but appears to be playing out on a similar way..its meant for when yields are maxed and the market wants another $200 card after the 6600 gets eol'd
Precisely
Love Fabio. I've been an AMD guy for two generations and he's the best on UA-cam for AMD gear by far
I concur wholeheartedly.
A further cut down Navi 32 would be more expensive than a memory-doubled full Navi 33.
It would also have to be sacrificial binning, because there's no way they have enough supply of defective dies for such a low-end Navi 32 release. They're probably building up a supply of lower-binned Navi 32 to release a 7700 at some point, in a limited release, perhaps only to OEM's.
Overall, though, I think it's correct to say they've been forced into bad naming by the existence of the 7900 XT. Here's what it should have been:
7900 XTX = 7900 XT ($900)
7900 XT = 7800 XT ($750)
7800 XT = 7700 XT ($500)
7700 XT = 7700 ($400)
However, I disagree with Fabio about the 7600 XT naming. I think 7600 and 7600 XT are the correct names for those two products. Having double the memory and a clock speed increase is more than enough to justify the distinction. The reason people railed against the 4080 12GB is because it had the same name as the 4080 16GB, but with a lot less compute. There's no relation between that situation and the 7600 versus 7600 XT situation. There _might_ be if they just called it a 7600 16GB instead, while having a clock speed increase. _That_ naming would lead someone to think they're the same performance save for the RAM difference. It'd be like the 1060 3GB and 1060 6GB, where the names are the same but the performance is very different even ignoring the RAM difference.
Two of my absolute favorite tech UA-camrs! Will be watching every minute of this!
Love Fabio and love Tom. So good to see them together! Great discussion, but not sure Nvidia Fanboys consider 7900XT instead of the ADA Lovelace Super series. Some of them will NEVER buy AMD, even if they get better value and raster on team red.
Well, "some" people are always out there doing some silly things. There's plenty of AMD people I know that refuse to buy Nvidia no matter what (even though honestly the 3060 is a pretty damn good deal right now), and there's nothing I can do about it. Fanboys will fanboy.
I agree with Fabio, AMD should have high tier GPU even if it is expensive.
I agree with Dr. Su. I bought 500 AMD shares at ~$2 back in 2015 (could have gotten them for $1.8 if I hadn't hesitated) and they're now worth ~75k and have payed for themselves many many times over. She plays it careful, and she plays the long game. If she thinks RDNA4 needs to be a bread-and-butter release like Zen and Zen+ was (Zen+ actually made AMD pretty good money!) in preparation for something that can't miss it's targets, then that is the right course of action for my investment.
I have an XTX at 1440p so waiting for top end RDNA5 was probably something I'd do anyhow.
One of my brothers got 4070FE 3 weeks before Rx7800xt launched. His argument was power efficiency, because he made a small, relatively low power system, very quiet, working as HTPC mostly, and he plays almost exclusively World of Tanks. Where he lives (Poland) rx7800xt was like 40$ cheaper so not that big of a deal for him, considering 100W power draw less for similar performance with dlss as a backup. The other brother got 7800xt because games he plays rely more on raster and vram bandwidth. 4GB more with 256b bus (vs 192b in 4070) won for him. He also doesn't care that much about the power draw.
Couldn't agree more on how people are usually the issue with system stability. So maybe people forget about chipset drivers, windows updates etc and how that affects system stability. I've been on AMD for a decade without any major game breaking issues due to the drivers I can think about
RT and PT still need a lot of computing power. You can run RT fine now with 1-2 RT-related features, but not with all of them. And PT needs SO much power, that it is only viable in 2-3 generations. The PT games right now are like Tech-Demos for high-end Nvidia GPUs.
I own a 4090 and can play with PT, but I have only fluid gameplay with FG (and DLSS performance, but I play in 4k...)
Someone was thinking of buying the 4090 do you think it would be able to handle more RT features turned on if it was only running in 1440p?
Yeah i guess it will take many years until rt or even pt become mainstream and we may see it as a standard in more titles. I tend to agree with fabio's opinion. Until then rt and pt are more kind of an experimental feature running besides the main graphics pipeline. I see this in nixxes ports causing a lot of trouble.
@@Cameronmid1 I see it this way. Only 1080p matters atm, since you can use DLSS to decrease the internal resolution, while keeping the output resolution high.
For 1440p you use the quality setting and for 4k performance, both use 1080p as internal resolution.
Why only these settings? Because you use visible quality if you go below 1080p internal resolution with DLSS.
If you talk only RT, depending on the amount of RT the 4090 can lose upto 35% of performance. And with PT you might lose upto 65% of FPS compared to the FPS you get in raster.
You have to take that 35% hit to FPS.
But you can use FG to gain ~40% FPS back from the hit with PT, since all PT games have FG. :D
With DLSS performance and FG I can play CP2077 and Alan Wake 2 with 90-100FPS in 4k with maxed settings and PT.
I do see a few visual artefacts from FG or DLSS, but only if you look for them.
99,99% of the time you don't look for them and only play the game...
Love to see Portugal in the podcast! ❤
Video with AG !!! I think a lot of us have been waiting for this.
Fabio! So good to see you here. 😁 Since I watch both channels, this episode really is 241! Edit: OMG, I just made an amazing YT discovery! I was listening to the video and was cleaning the No. 2 key and kept hearing Fabio say the same thing over and over. I had no idea that each number takes you to 10, 20, 30 percent etc. of the video.
Just discovered the number key percentage thanks to you, I didn't know either :o
@@lefthornet 😁
Don't press the zero key though. It may take you to a quantum place with no return.
The Question is why in special is your No.2 key that dirty?
Well, looks like I now have a reason to dirty it. 🤣
This was awesome. Thank you guys. I enjoy Ancient Gameplays channel. This was a really great conversation.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Shout out to Fabio… good AMD content
Wake me up when people realize that the cost per unit to put 16gb on a graphics card today is the same cost as putting 4 gb on a card 7 years ago.
source?
It's not the cost of the VRAM itself that is becoming a problem. The problem lies in the fact that pure logic shrinks "properly" with each node generation, but cache shrinks worse and analog logic (memory controllers are considered analog for reasons I'm getting into here) shrinks even worse again. Nvidia are screaming at GDDR manufacturers to make faster ram so they don't have to have as wide busses, because by TSMC N2 35% of the die needs to be the memory controllers if they have to use the current compute-to-memory-controller ratio.
More content with fabio please
Thats unexpected crossover episode 😮
I think -100$ MSRP throughout the whole Super lineup would've been the knockout blow Nvidia is dreaming about.
yup
Even dropping the msrp by 50 on the 4070 super would be a crazy deal.
Best part of Fabio's channel are the overclock and undervolt settings. it made my RX5700XT work so much better and cooler
W episode, I luv ancient gameplays
Really Great Episode with you Guys. :)
Legit guest, very knowledgable and insighful!
Really good, just finished
No way! My 2 most viewed channels in one. Love your work Fabio
Notice the episode number is 241. 😉
I’ve had a 7900XTX since launch and have really appreciated all of the Ancient Gameplay content!
They said it well here, how many people have realistically waited over a year to spend $600 - $1200 on a GPU? If people had that kind of money to spend on a GPU they would have done so already. Unless a particular SKU really moves the price/performance needle I can't believe that mid-gen refreshes will ever sell like hotcakes.
I liked the discussion surrounding AMDs plans for the next year or two. After using the 7900XTX for a year I agree that its biggest downfall is the RT performance. I went with the XTX because I needed a 4K card to drive my 48" OLED (48GQ900-B) since my 2080 Super wasn't cutting it. The card is a true performer in 4K raster, and while the RT performance is good enough for 1440p (with FSR), the trade off isn't worth it at 4k (even with FSR). AMD should only release high-end GPUs next-gen if they can close the performance hit in RT. If they can't do this then they are better off releasing a mid-range raster king that sells for $600.
Daniel Owen did do some benchmarks on comparable AMD and Nvidia cards and their RAM usage. What I found interesting is that despite the NV card allocating less RAM, the frame time was stuttering a lot less. I would say despite what it looks, AMD is allocating more RAM as buffers and that has had a positive effect on performance.
I recommend people to look at that video well when considering a new GPU. I would not buy an Nvidia card with 12GB unless it is a cheap 3060, but some people do really dislike FSR2 artifacts.
Fabio is my most trusted Driver reviewer. Keeps me in the loop for both vega56 and rx6800. One of the few people trying to benchmark the GRE cards too. Glad you had him on!
As clumsy as AMD's naming was with RDNA3 (shifted by nearly a half tier), nVidia's naming was even much worse --- to the point that they have shifted entire tiers! That combined with the lack of VRAM at nearly every price point on nVidia's end is the main reason for the pool results on HU... I completely agree with Arkinia08!
Radeon drivers have improved greatly. They used to be far behind Nvidia. AMD's control panel, although bloated, is pretty nice. I do hate the navigation trends on the AMD panel though because I often have to dig a lot to get to the setting I want. Nvidia has a Windows 95-like driver control panel, but I will credit it for being easy to navigate.
There's reviewers that have changed their story 1-2 years after AMD driver releases for RDNA2 for good reason. The RX 6700 XT went from "Literally Anything Will Sell (GamersNexus)" to "Best Bang for the Buck" awards, of course one reason being price cuts. They did well in RDNA2. I think they get somewhat of a finger wag over anger because of what Nvidia did for the 4000 series. This might have been a huge factor
I wonder if the improvements in the 6000 series drivers actually hurts the 7000 series. The 6000 series drivers improvements on some benchmarks are almost an improvement of 1 GPU generation. I wonder if the 7000 series will get something similar. When making the 7000 series, was their target the 6000 series with the 2021 drivers? Note that it takes years for a GPU to be built, so they might not have been able to predict the driver improvement
Also, the 7000 series improvement is a guess on my part, but I also say we should not count on it being a guarantee to happen
Nvidia refusing to add more VRAM in the mids is my pick as their biggest mistake, still very satisfied with RX6800 here and next 5-6year build is now Summer 2027 for me, not seeing any need for a bump after upgrading to 5800X3D.
Fun future madness ?, when will Valve force out Windows 10? I tried Windows 11 already, pass vs. 10. 👎
I hope RDNA 4 is more power efficient.
Yeah same, my previous 350w card heated up my room so bad making it almost unbearable
4070 launched with a copy of Diablo 4, and you get nothing with 4070 super. That's almost 100 dollar(tax-in) difference for people who would've bought the game or willing to sell the code, same goes for 7800xt with Starfield ultimate edition. At 500-600 price range, that's already 15-20% value.
So for the people who rejected the 4070 and 7800xt at launch because they think they are not getting enough value, they are not getting more value with 4070 super now, after 8 month. -- That's also 8 month closer to the next gen GPUs.
Nvidia just couldn't stop playing the Marketing/Perspective mind games😮💨
I have been waiting for this to come to pass. Thank you, Tom and Fabio!!!
Unfortunately, the 4080 (and 4080 Super) are still out of my price range for WHAT I need the card for. I'm just a low-tier streamer who enjoys playing video games.
I had my wallet set on spending $800 dollars on a 4070 TI back at the end of November 2023 until I found this channel and learned about the 4070 TI Super. So getting the 4070 TI Super for less than the price of a 4070 TI, it's a no brainer.
I say this as someone who shelled out $1000 on an XTX without blinking: $800 for the 4070Ti or 4070Ti Super is still absolutely steep. The 4070Ti Super at least has 16GB but it's not the 15% uplift over the 4070Ti that the 4070 Super was over the 4070. Benchmarks have already leaked and we're looking at 8% faster. For $800. That makes it precisely 25% stronger than the 3080. Which cost $700.
Getting a 25% stronger card for 14% more money after three years is ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE!
@@andersjjensen The initial "leaks" of the 4070 Supers performance over that of the 4070 Non-Super were miniscule compared to what the 4070 Super was actually capable of.
Right now the 4070 TI Super can compete with the 3080 TI in almost every category and for $800 dollars, that's a deal.
@@k0ntroversialgaming No. The first leaks (not just rampant speculation) said 15% and Techpowerup's +100 game average has it at 16%. The current leaks say 8%, so if we put that at 9% (though that's a bigger increase than 15 to 16) it's still not even beating the 7900XT in raster.
But of cause, if you're comparing the price of an upper mid-range card to the prices of last generation high end, and completely ignore the time that has passed, then sure it looks fantastic. Like every GPU launch in history!... but the fact of the matter is that if you compare it to 3070ti/3080 (as you should) it's absolutely abysmal. In this tier we've traditionally gotten 25-30% more performance at the same price point. Now you're looking at 25% more for 17% more money. That's equivalent to 7-8% more performance for the same money. And this is the mid-cycle refresh... not original launch.
@@andersjjensen And if I would have purchased a 4070TI back at the end of November for $850...that would have not been smart compared to buying a card that is BETTER all-around for $800???
@@k0ntroversialgaming They got you good. 17% more performance for 14% more money is a terrible deal, but 25% more performance for 14% more money suddenly doesn't sound all that bad because the previous deal was so terrible :P
But you do you. If you want to pay $800 for an upper mid-range card, go for it. At least they aren't outright insulting you with the VRAM any more, so I guess that's something.
very good podcast ; seen start to finish, while I was working in my shop .👌👌👏👏
I bought an open box 6900XT back in 2019 for $650. I can't justify spending anything more than that for a marginal upgrade from this generation. I'll just wait until RDNA4.
I watch AGP and I switched from 3080Ti to 7900xtx. Only issue I’ve ever had driver or software related was my windows install getting bricked. It was a new computer so it wasn’t a big deal personally. I’ve been impressed with drivers and use ability so far with AMD.
Nice to see you on this podcast, Fabio!
Fabio is the man. Been watching him a long while glad to see you two team up. 🤓
Happy to see Fabio on here
O damn I have been looking forward to see Fabio on mlid these two channels made me go for the 7900xtx and a full amd system
My upgrade budget was between the 3070 and the 6800. Hardware Unboxed steered me to the 6800, for which I am eternally thankful.
We're truly living in a new and different era ngl
Ayeeeee Fabio. Cool to see another tech tuber i follow make their way onto a broken silicon podcast. ❤ Love the content. Very thorough coverage of the AMD driver updates.
Glad to see Fabio on here. Super good dude. Makes benchmarks enjoyable to watch
Great Guess. Fabio is good people. One of few that includes SAM results with and with out UV/OC.
You should have Fabio on here anytime you get a chance. He produces totally unbiased data. That's hard to come by.
MY two favorite tech channels on a 2 and a half hour podcast. very noice
Oh wow. Nice combo. Can't wait to listen to this later on today.
🤯Two of the UA-camrs I watch on a regular basis in one spot. Nice work their Tom, makes my Patreon worth every cent. 😁
I had been waiting to see Fabio on this channel!!!!
Fabio! Fantastic guest, I watch him often. I drank these 2 hours and 28 minutes of video at night, after work, with contemplative smoke. Awesome
Why Perun does not fit to our friend's geopolitical analyst image? He comes from Croatia and he uses the name of most powerful god in proto slavic pantheon of mythical creatures. 🦊
Ayyyy it's Fabio!! Great guest
Nice to see Fabio here hahah definitely not expected !
It's really hard to say whether or not the 4070 ti Super will have a successful launch because (without an FE Card) we don't know if there will even be any actually selling at MSRP!
The performance has already leaked: 8% faster than the 4070Ti. That makes it precisely 25% faster than the 3080. So 25% more performance for 14% more money after ~3.5 years. People rejected the 4070 Ti because it was 17% more performance for 14% more money after ~2.5 years. I can't see why this pile of hot garbage would fare any better.
Oh cool definitely wasnt expecting ancient gameplay
Slight correction to Perun: It's actually a great name for a channel on war. Perun was a Slavic god of thunder - and war :)
Thanks for great content!
Yeah great, a guy who specialises in computer games is someone you should go to for expertise on geo politics, and people wonder why the West is decaying, the incompetence... He's selling fantasies and fairy tales to the mindless masses, it's what you want to hear, it's not real analysis.
Whaaa!? Best anime crossover of 2024 so far! I'm really looking forward to listening to this one.
Really like Fabio & happy to see this crossover
Excellent episode....
Always helpful finding content that helps you get the best from whatever hardware you ended up purchasing 😅
That was a great talk! Thanks guys!
If I had to bet on who's the misterious AiB i'd bet on Zotac, their cards tend to be considerably cheaper this generation...
great to see Fabio here.
I agree, even when its a stinker(im one of the first to complain), we need new ideas and guests. Thank you for all the work you do and putting up with us jabronis
i believe even if you don’t like the person, looking at something from any other perspective (no matter of your opinion on it) is valuable. otherwise we would be stuck with everyone living in their own echo chambers
In 2-3 years, If the 4070 ti super drops in price (and keeps up in performance) I could see it becoming how the "6700xt" is to the market now.
Congratulations for the episode, your guest was very well chosen, Fabio is enjoayble to listen and very knowledgeable, I also learned he's from Portugal, I was convinced he's from Brasil !
one of my favourite podcasts
Great to see someone new! Good discussion as well
Normal people can't afford $2000 for a GPU. AMD doesn't need to compete in that area. The biggest point is that there are choices beyond just Nvidia. If AMD can meet or beat an Nvidia 80 series card for less money, why wouldn't you choose Radeon?
because I want to sit in Jensen’s lap
This is a great guest to hear from 😁
@2:10:07 - The AMD ROCM software now supports mult-gpu for RDNA 3 ( 7900 XT, XTX) and I have used four 7900 XT in a single workstation to run ExLLama2 (70B+) models with no issues. The software side of AMD has caught up quickly and for LESS than Half of the price of a 4090, I get about 80% of the compute on the VRAM. - AMD is very competitive right now. If they release more 48GB workstation cards but with RDNA 4, that could be the switch that some software developers need.
woah... crossover with fabio ancient gameplay
im all inn
Thank you for gettin AGP on here. Known about him from like 4 yrs (rdna/amd guy as i know him). Used his guide on 6800 OC/software stack. Great breakdowns on what they all do (or don't), great work to break things down for non techie people and why things are as they are (why this card xyz etc). Valuable resource imo. Happy to see he gave you perspectives that caused u to pause/think/frown Tom. Probably time to bring back Tech Deals into the fold to get a similar big picture (mindshare/price/perf/past/future/now). always good to get have a big picture "check" throughout certain points of the yr to give fresher perspective/knowledge.
Great episode! Was awesome to see Fabio on, I stumbled onto his channel at some point in this last year and love his content. He makes great comparisons, really has an in depth understanding of the hardware he plays with, and does meaningful testing! I'm happier about being on PCIE 3.0 after having seen his comparison video that proved how little difference those standards make in actual games :D
Pascal increased prices, but were people as furious with pricing at the time? I can't imagine them *raising* prices outside of the 5090 (a class which doesn't seem to have a price ceiling in sight yet) and people being like "well ok, the performance is x better so now I'm in when I wasn't before."
Of all the Broken Silicon video`s this was by far and away the best.. Get Fabio on more...
Fabio/AMD Jesus is awesome ..
Glad to see him getting more exposure with the work he's put in for the drivers and benchmarks.
AMD Jesus, 😂 🤌
PNY was a pretty big GPU maker back in the early 2000s as I recall (2002-2004 or so).
Fabio makes a good point about perception. People go to a gm dealership and see a corvette. They think top tier engineering. They buy a blazer. Lol. Amd needs to make a 8970 card with 24 gb ram that crushes a 5800 by +15% without ray tracing and costs less than $1400. That would change the game, even if it doesn't do ray tracing as well.
Very good episode, very good synergy between Tom and Fabio.
8:45 I think they just lower the settings to emulate a slightly stronger card, no-one could notice the difference between high and ultra on a compressed 1080p UA-cam video.
Fabio my g, my dawg. Happy to see him featured on the cast ❤
If amd or Intel sell a gpu with 48gb+ vram as the high end then a lot of people will snap it up.
Whether or not they are willing to do this at the cost of their professional lineup is a question they need to answer.
Re: Battlemage: If we get 4070ti performance - that is 4k@60 - 120fps.
What else do we actually need? That pretty much covers the entire market.
more like 60fps, games get more demanding, most people want 120fps at 4k
Right, because most "gamers" have 4k 120fps monitors.
@@harrybryan9633 most gamers are console gamers who play on their tv, most modern 4K tv’s are 120hz. so yes, people who have 4k don’t have 60hz monitors.
Acer is a Taiwanese company, not Spanish. Don't know how the company chooses to pronounce it, but I very much doubt it's how Fabio is saying it.
I heard that years ago, guess I was wrong haha
@@AncientGameplays There's a Spanish division, called Acer Computer Iberica SA, and it's quite possible they pronounce the name the way you said, given the language.
Fabio! Love @ancientgameplays 😀
I’ve watched Fabio for awhile now and enjoy his content. Cool to see the channels cross over.