AMD Navi 48 Leak: RDNA 4 Performance, Die Size, Release Date Targets
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Exactly what windows is worth. Thanks man.
Why not Samsung 3nm instead of TSMC 4nm?
Anybody dreaming that AMD will suddenly start undercutting Nvidia is one DELUSIONAL fanboy who lost connection with reality.
Face the facts - AMD was price matching Nvidia as close as it could for years and it will keep doing so.
I'm hoping you can ask your sources when something with rdna 4 can be shrunk down to a 15-20tdp environment for something like a steam deck
@@Ronny999x TSMC need to revamp is business model.
That comment on the 5070 got me so annoyed: God forbid AMD takes the initiative for once and releases a good product months ahead of the competition, that would help them gain market share and we don't want that. In fact, let me give you an exclusive here, I already know what the price of RDNA4 is going to be. Brace yourselves, folks, you read it here first:
- N48 price = RTX 5070 price - 10-20%
- N44 price = RTX 5060 price - 10-20%
Seriously. They have no balls, whatsoever.
I know, it's so irritating. They're scared to do anything first
Adored summed up Radeon very well.
People will not buy their cards regardless and there's no point in releasing products that perceived as "discount coupon for Nvidia"
@@guts2787 I don't think I agree with that. This generation Nvidia has lost a whole lot of goodwill with their public, but Radeon wasn't there to catch the disaffected, they just priced their cards terribly, with only the 7800 XT being somewhat competitive. And they even increased the price of that card when it was clear people were not interested in the 4070. The problem with Radeon is that they are not thinking competitively, to be ready to take advantage when Nvidia fucks up and taking risks when that is not the case.
@@michaelpalin8953 they priced their cards accordingly to nvidias pricing.
Steam data shows Radeon is barely scaping 17% of total gpus.
Retail stats go by "one 7900xtx per 20 4090s sold" .
Market said people want 800$ for a mid range green card.
People got their wish.
They would be stupid not to get to market early. Having the cheapest and most powerful GPU for a few months before 50 series would be huge for them. But AMD never misses a chance to miss out on a market opportunity so no doubt they'll fuck this up too.
Lisa please gib a decent 500$ gpu
I hope it not using a bloody wimpy 128-Bit memory bus. I hate them.
You can get the 7800 XT for around $500 on sale, right?
@@WickedRibbon $500 is MSRP actually, you can find some a bit below that but it's one of the best values in this generation so sellers don't see a need to drop the price often.
The caveat being that "one of the best values in this generation" would be a mediocre value in most generations.
@@WickedRibbon 500$ GPU should run 4K. And it should be a proper 70 level GPU (not like 4070 that felt closer to 60).
@@WickedRibbonThe 7800xt is barely faster than a 650$ card from 2020. Pretty disappointing tbh.
5090 for 5090$ confirmed! 👌
4k support available with subscription! 🤪
Too cheap!
We want higher prices!
Claim exempt on your taxes and buy as many as you want.
I can see close to 2k
everysingle AAA games will sell enabling DLSS 4.0 as DLC for their game for 15$😊
I felt the 6800 XT I got for like slightly over €500 on AMDs website was a good deal, it easily does 1440p ultra in the games I play, meaning I can dial the settings back to high and not toast my system.
It is still a good card. I only sold it and went for RX 7900XT simply because I had that stupid itch to upgrade. Oh and because Nitro+ model looks so damn sexy.
@@Hombremaniac I have a funny story. I bought an RX 6900 XT near the end of 2022 for $750 but it died a week ago. Since the store doesn't have 6900 XTs anymore it looks like I can upgrade to a 7900 XT Nitro+ for like $50.
Yeah the 6800XT remains (well remained, its getting hard to get them) a very good deal to this day. Which says alot about the level of madness of the last generation of GPUs.
6800 XT is crazy, i got one for over 500€ too, what a deal, with UV i can go from 280/300W power to 150-190W while gaming, which is super crazy to me ( also going with 'conservative' UV to from 1200 to 1040 mV)
yeah but the 7800xt was for the same price a better gpu im sad i did not waited to buy that one
I'm interested in the Infinity Cache setup for RDNA4, since 256-bit + 20Gbps GDDR6 are quiet a bit slower than what even the 7900 XT offers. There's the monolithic benefit, but that won't improve much.
Although I have to admit that the ramifications to the bandwidth of the Infinity Cache system were only the second thing that went through my mind (the first being size constraints on a ~300mm² N4P die), I could've bet that you'd come around and point it out. 😉
There sure is a lot left to think about with RDNA4.
Navi 31 (6x16M) had less than 21 (128M), while Navi 32 (4x16M) had less than 22 (96M). Not a coincidence, I think. Navi 31 and 32 are both chiplets. It'd not make sense to at least bring the 96MB on Navi 22 back to the mid range, giving the 7900 XT 20% more L3 cache.
Hey, anything that's more quiet is better IMHO. Less chance of waking up the others while you're playing at night.
😛
@@EntekCoffee cache should be the same size (64mb) but should be faster. These are 1440p/1080 GPUs so no need of much cache. 1-st gen 2,7, 2-nd - 5,3 (half the size), 3-rd ~ 7 (30% faster, same size) will be perfect
WGP is reworked for RDNA4
RX 7700 XT + 10% below $400 is nothing. By that time, RX 7800 XT probably is already under $400. This is RX 6700 XT vs RX 7600 all over again.
Yeah, needs to be 7700XT +10-15% and $349 to be compelling.
Yeah, 7700xt is already close 400$.
Wouldn't that depend on when they cut production for navi3? Problem with Navi2 was that they produced a shitload of it and then had trouble getting rid of it.
@@libaf5471 at least in my country, 6700 XT already OOS not long after the release of RX 7600. So yeah, i kinda went through that condition last year and probably will experience that again when equivalent RDNA 4 happens (RX 8600 released then not RDNA 3 OOS not long after forcing us to buy the new one).
Unless!, hear me out, hear me out, unless, they call it the 8700 XTX, then it can be $400 and even $500, because of the extra 'X'.
ngreedia prices are gonna be insane with gddr7 lol
No worries! Ngreedia already works on some compression methods! I guess it is their attempt to again NOT give players enough of VRAM, but instead to use their proprietary greed magic to work around that.
And AMD is going to follow as always. They are not going to sell their mid-range cards way cheaper than NVIDIA's mid-range. Both companies wants to extract as much money as possible from you. None of them are consumer friendly.
Memory Prices are falling and DDR7 is supposed to be even cheaper. The cost of producing GPUs has fall with robots and bigger yields RTX5090 should be $499
@@FunFunFun8888 lol
@@FunFunFun8888 Had to check if it's April already.
so we are looking at a 7900xt with a $100 discount from 699 to 599. really exciting. let the next round of stagnation commence.
terrible. and with less memory bandwidth.
It'd better be $500 if it only gets 7900 xt performance but this is AMD we're talking about so i cant even be confident theyll do a still very mediocre price lmao. This is like 4070 price drop differences today basically even at $500. 3080 perf for just above $500 instead of $700.
Yes, sale prices of old products come close to prices of new products. That nothing too new. It's not stagnation since the price of the 7900xt has dropped $200.
At $600 it's 50% more performance per dollar than the abysmal launch price of the 7900xt. That's massive. Of course that card should have launched at $799, at which point it beats the 7900xtx in perf/$ on launch, and the 4070ti. But that's still a 33% perf/$ increase compared to a theoretical 7900xt at $800 vs $600. That's historically normal, and expected.
@@eugkra33 ill tell you how this is supposed to be because people act like what we have today is somehow normal.
a new generation was usually 30-70% faster than the old ones and price per tier stayed the same. so you would get a 30-70% VALUE INCREASE per generation.
today we get totally overpriced hardware that gets discounted and then replaced by hardware at the exact same price point. value increase = 0.
@@Frozoken I don't know the roadmaps per-se but if AMD's competition is "what we have now" then, at best, we'll see a 4070 TI Super class card for 600$ with perhaps refreshes of the 7900XT & XTX at the high end. At this point I'm praying that Intel Battlemage can shock the world and really put AMD in a position where it REALLY needs to retake the value midrange crown in a big way.
Tom, please let me go to sleep at a reasonable time 😭
He does this to me every time, and now I’m wide awake lol
Same
I always watch after waking up
@@margenov I always seem to catch his Videos hours after release. I think its because I am here on the West Coast USA>
Why is Navi 48 the higher performance die this time around compared to previous gens where the lower second number usually meant the more powerful die, ex Navi 33 being worse than Navi 31
Because the code name just indicates when the design got started
Interesting to develop the 48 so late
@@fepethepenguin8287 Yeah, I'm thinking maybe they decided to work on a new, slightly stronger "mid-range" die after they realized 41 might be canceled.
He probably just did a typo
Likely it was Navi 41/42/43 being cancelled with 44 being continued and then 48 as the replacement code name.
Improving upscaler is more important than chasing RT performance imho, Hub just did a poll and most people still prefer higher refresh rate compared to enabling RT, even Xess improved much more than FSR
has Intel open sourced XeSS yet, as they promised?
Personally I feel like all upscalers are within 10% of each other in quality when equalized to performance. No major differences I can see in 1440p and basically equal in 4K. PCMR splitting the hairs as always
Agreed! Focus on upscaling for RDNA 4, focus on RT for RDNA 5
@@flyingpj RDNA4 is what it is now, and these advice are about 2-3 years late
people don't have money for high end cards that's why. 1440p dlss quality with path tracing needs at least a 4070 ti super
I have this odd perception that RDNA3 and Lovelace are really old at this point, yet the prices aren't coming down to what would normally match this old tech. I hope AMD pushes RDNA4's release to be sooner rather than later, but if they go the Polaris route, even if it means modern GPUs that are finally affordable, I may have to Wait For RDNA5...
Yeah the stockpiles of RDNA2/Ampere just screwed that timeline I would say. They are only now at a point where they finally got rid of last gen cards, which didn't give them an incentive so far to make the current cards really that competitive. We can only hope that next gen this has evened out. AMD in particular may go back to a more polaris like "competing on value" strategy, given that they're not going to go for HELO flagship wins. But except for maybe saner prices if we're lucky, I'd think il'll be rather boring until we get to RDNA5.
@@Hugh_I Honestly I'm kind of glad that AMD is targeting the mid-range market for the next release cycle. Competing on value is exactly what I'd like to see and hopefully Intel / NVidia / AMD can all have their niches while still pushing each other. Having NVidia and two "wanna-be-s" isn't good for anyone.
@@erutherford I agree. More powerful 4090 types of cards may be impressive, but what I'd think a lot of people are waiting for, me included, is a sane market that offers good value for decent hardware that performs well without going nuts on power and cost. Crossing my fingers AMD thinks that could be a winning strategy too.
@@erutherford the RX470/gtx1060 performance level has literally lasted a decade, from the 290x/7880ti to now 1650/ti and 7840U
During that time, we have seen graphics improve, but it hasnt gotten ,SIGNIFICANTLY better since cyberbug, its almost photorealistic except for faces.
I think it is clear that by 2030, we will get an APU that replaces "gaming gpus". Desktop PCs will probably be 1-5L as the norm, Towers will be replaces with mini 12U EPYC servers for home labs, and the focus from nvidia/amd/intel will be HPC and datacentre mainly, consumers will buy last gen X86 servers, or ARM based mobile devices
Seeing what AMD has done with MI300s, I am excited to see similar stuff in RDNA5 and Zen6
Not going to happen. In contrast to NVIDIA, who does use the same chip in both their consumer and professional cards, AMD does not anymore.
They have split the design into RDNA for consumers and CDNA for professionals... some small things might trickle down, but the more time that goes by, the more the designs will diverge, since CDNA is all about compute (Science and AI workloads) while RDNA is all about gaming.
@@LisaSamaritanI think they were referring more to the way they are doing complex chiplet packaging. And yes, that is absolutely coming to RDNA.
The 7900xtx was kind of a proof of concept test to get a basic chiplet GPU design into the consumer market. Had some issues.
But if you look at the cancelled Navi 4C stuff that Tom put out a while back it definitely looks a lot more like MI300 than the 7900xtx did.
They're clearly moving in that direction. And they have to do it to some extent because TSMC reticle limits are going waaaaay down in future nodes.
@LisaSamaritan Uh. The cancelled rdna 4 chip was very complicated. Not quite a re emerging or the two but not really separate
not as reason of GPU law ，most of spec such like 4090 will be banned sell. AMD got strix point for NVIDIA， 40cu apu +96cu GPU
@@LisaSamaritan in 5ish years I think we will have an epyc style GPU, one centran I/O die (probably with 1GB L4$) + 4x compute dies , maybe 80CU each.
Then 2x, then a monolithic 120CU.
but the price will be thousands, for the multi chiplet
If AMD marketing doesn't shoot itself in the mouth again and these specs are somewhat accurate then this will be very compelling. Was watching the HUB podcast and RDNA2 6700XT-6800XT got a LOT of traction within the enthusiast sector. Its a self selecting audience, but about 40% market share.
N44 should be on a 192bit bus minimum.
Yeah...they've learned nothing, I guess. The 128 bit bus has no business at above $250.
AMD just copying nvidia, if Nvidia didn't do it. AMD won't
@@arx117Actually, it was AMD who started the whole 128bit bus race with the Rx 6600 and 6600 xt from what I know. Since then both have been using only 128 bit bus configurations for their lower end cards
@@JanM2 i disagree, low end card with 128bit has been happening for one decade ago.
384 bit = flagship
256 = upper midrange
192 = low midrange
128 = low
96 = entry level cards
With RDNA 4, AMD is planning Polaris situation again.
@@arx117 There's no such thing as a 96-bit bus anymore. It goes in increments of 64.
Waiting for big RDNA 5
GDDR6 in Navi 48 is a huge bummer.
why? the 7900xtx uses GDDR6 and if Navi 48 is around that performance why does is need more. can you explain, maybe i am missing something
Well, AMD is a huge disappointment so why expect anything more? 🤷♂️
I'm fine AMD's next offering being targeted at only the mid-range and GDDR6 / 256 bit bus is likely enough to do that esp. if we also get 20GB of memory. I just hope that we'll [for the first time in 4-5 years] get a significant increase in the COST * Wattage / 0.1 % low FPS. If those numbers are noticeably better than our current offerings [and can out-compete any new NVidia or Intel releases] then I think it would be a success.
@@mactonight9124 I mean, do you like paying more for less features? No one will be releasing cards w/ GDDR6 memory by the time this comes out. Hell, you could prolly say the same about 4nm, as everyone will have moved on to 3nm by then (if not already), INCLUDING AMD itself for Zen 5. What an absolute disgrace.
@@raynel8495 Lemme FTFY.
It's, "Another Major Disappointment"...
Greets from Poland! Do we have any power consumption projections for RDNA4? I must say I lke the idea behind RDNA4 - decent price, reasonable performance @4K.
Yep, can confirm, I am desperate for some new RDNA4 info lol
Great info as always. Though as we know pricing can be decided upon last moment and honestly I'm a bit skeptical of $500 price point since 7800XT has been selling well there. In past launches AMD desired to reap it profits too, overpricing at launch and discounting later. We'll see :)
Agree 100%. For the past 3-4 years AMD has been content to get as much as they can from the market and to only give a little better value in terms of FPS / $. Seeing a price of a 7900 XT competitor much lower than 600$ would be surprising ...
I am also skeptical of the $500 price AT LAUNCH. However I think it is very likely to drift down to that price in 6 months or so.
- According to Wikichip's fuse, N4P will provide 11% iso-power improvement.
- N32 is about 344 mm2 in total, with the MCDs (144 mm2) fabbed in N6. Make these on N4P, remove the need for buses going in and out to the MCM fanout lines, and you probably will have a 280 mm2 die. You'll have about 20% of headroom there.
I'd be surprised if AMD isn't able to capitalize this and at least match the 7900 XT (30% faster than the 7800 XT). I'll put my money on 35-37% faster than 7800 XT, which is 3/8 between 7900 XT and 4080/4080 S. That's the bare minimum, anything less would be EXTREMELY shocking.
If N48 is 300mm2 amd can put in 80cu (4x10wgp). And perf will be definately better than 7900xt
@@hristobotev9726they are stuffing alot more ai cores this time though
Yeah exactly. They really don't have to do very much to reach 4080 levels because as u said the process node improvement and being monolithic gets u a hell of a lot of the way there. Not to mention the fact that RDNA3 underperformed by like 20% vs what they were expecting too so like what? What is RDNA 4 itself doing then? Like if If u add 20% on a 7800xt and add the process node improvements and monolithic improvements ud almost be at 7900xt performance already without any architectual changes lmao, wtf? Only thing that makes sense is theyve left the cache system untouched too like the memory and now are very bound by that?
Monolithic rdna3 navi33 (7600) is 204 mm² at 6nm process and has 32 Compute Units running at Boost Clock
2655 MHz.
AMD will need a miracle to achieve 80cu's, 3+Ghz, 300 mm² even at N4P @@hristobotev9726
@@Frozoken Exactly. You seem to be one of the few people here who even gets it. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. If people here watched previous videos, why are they NOT alarmed by these pitiful estimates and absurd pricing? It's like this is an AMD Convention Center for delusional fanboys, banded together by being in denial of their beloved company...
A goddamn company? Who TF worships and celebrates a for-profit COMPANY?!? It's freaking weird.
AMD is on the record saying that RDNA4 should separate the RT from the main pipeline. This will give them the ability to go wider on RT then before, but just how much of a benefit with this have? I don't care that much about RT because of how bad performance is most of the time, but I want to see better RT performance so RT can finally go mainstream.
All of this information here you will find at chips and bits.
@@n0f4ke74 Think you mean Chips and Cheese
AMD just waited for shader peformance to improve or for better arch for shaders on the whole not needing to allocate space for a separate shader. Vertex and pixel and 3-4 other shaders are now just unified shaders at the cost of 10-15% performance loss but much more flexible.
Issue now is, AMD is a good way behind in RT where that does look good in certain titles.
I am guessing the way they seem to go all in on RT for RDNA5 is where they are modding thir shaders in a way they can all do it. Likely at a premium though. We will see.
what is AMD's quote on RDNA4 exactly? Because I'm looking at the Chips and Cheese articles like @n0f4ke74 says, but there is almost nothing on Ray Tracing at all.
Where can I hear AMD talking about RT? I can't find any comments from AMD at all regarding this.
MLID says 20% more RT per core, but since RDNA4 will be 20% faster in rasterization per core, that leaves it with identical RT at the same raster level. the 7900xt will be the same in raster AND RT.
@@jamegumb7298 theyre not way behind. theirs less than 60 games with RT. about 6-7 of those games nvidia pulls ahead in the most is in CP2077. everything else is more or less the same performance. 7900XTX compete with the 4080 in majority of the titles except those 6-7 games where the 7900XTX is slightly faster than the 4070TI. been testing a lot of games with RT with the 7900XTX and those 6-7 games are cherry picked for every RT video ive seen. which just makes the percentages look really bad overall when its not. nobody has done a RT video with more than 10-12 Games in it and if half the games in the test were design for nvidia cards then clearly it looks like the competition cant compete or is lagging behind.
Reading between the lines, AMD still is building down the backlog of cards to sell through from when the mining boom ended. That also kinda explains why we never saw a huge price drop immediately. Both AMD and nvidia seems to have held back at least 2 years worth of supply to avoid a price crash.
This is on point. It's also supported by the fact that they've observed marks continuing to pay the overly inflated prices, and they can keep material costs low with less production.
Cartel economics 101
Cool fire display in the background
I was about to go to bed! Thanks for the info!
I saved this for the morning I just fixed my sleep schedule lol
Still happy with my 6800xt in 1440p. Had it for 2.5 years and performance has never been a let down.
Planning on getting 5 years out of it at least. Hopefully 8 years like my previous pc
Based. Be content with what you have
Yup had my RX 6950XT for 8 months now and it’s been great at the $630 price I bought it but I want a 4090 which will still be faster than 5080 probably.
I hope Navi 44 doesn't exceed $350, it's a tiny die with a 128-bit bus. If the 7600 can sell for $270 with decent margins then there's no reason why top N44 has to sell for more than $350. Node change alone shouldn't dictate _that_ much of a price hike, especially considering it'll prolly still be on GDDR6.
if it launches a year from now, $299 is the absolute maximum, and even that is stretching it as it will almost certainly be limited to 8GB at launch
The silicon will cost like twice as much tho if they are the same die size. I don't know the exact numbers but going from a 7nm family node to any 5nm class is almost twice the cost at TSMC.
@@lharsay which is why I allowed a 30% price increase. Doubling of silicon cost shouldn't make the card as a whole cost twice as much; infact even 30% is a generous amount. A GPU is a sum of it's parts, and the silicon is just one of the parts.
@@lharsay Dude, their profit margins are > 50%. Also, 5nm to 4nm is not the same as 7nm to 5nm, and how do you know 7nm to 5nm is twice the cost (and not know how much AMD is ripping people off)?
@@bonerjamz1668 I saw a TSMC wafer cost chart some time ago.
me, still waiting with a gtx 1070ti waiting for a good deal .....
Love your work Tom, as always!
will there be generative AI feature in rdna 4 similar to xdna?
I wanted to finally upgrade and go 7900 XTX but the power draw and heat is insane.. and it would hurt in my quite restricted case. 4nm should be cooler hey? If it's gonna be around XT/XTX should be way less power hungry while having the same performance.
Yes
I undervolted mine to a pretty standard 1120mV, 2300-2400 MHz clock, 2700 MHz memory and it runs at 270W-300W, 45 C° (60+ hotspot I think), fans at quiet 1500 rmp (7900xtx nitro+ in a Fractal torrent case).
Torrent is like one of the best airflow cases if not the best, mine is pretty restricted so even with undervolt 300W is a lot... if the 4nm cam deliver XT-XTX performance with like 170-200W that would be awesome. Also those temps you get sounds maybe too good. People in the 7900 XTX owner thread usually get about 55 core, 75+ hotspot with 300W with an acceptable fan curve, Nitro+/Red Devil/Merc. I would be hitting 60+ core/80+ hotspot approx which is still within safe operating range but the system will be loud....
@Hito343 I'm sure if you got an asus tuf or sapphire nitro+ you'd be able to UV it and it'd run great. I run my strix 3080 12gb at ~300w in a case with no intake (shitty NZXT H510) on a UV (RDNA3 wont UV like ampere ofc, but your card should be larger and similar power consumption.) It peaks 69 under gaming loads. The CPU air tower is what's loud, mainly cause the card exhausts into it so the fans really speed up. So yeah I'd only be worried with the cheaper models since the difference can be as much as ~10c between a low and high end card.
Yes 4np will help (21% less power at same frequency according to TSMC) but being monolithic will probably help the most tbh. 7900xtx suffers so much at moderate loads because of the chiplets in terms of power use. Like over double what a 4080 was pulling levels.
Question: Will AMD go above W7900 48GB with RDNA 4 with AI workstation cards?
No, the memory bus is too narrow to fit more than 32GB (on Navi 48 with clamshelled 2GB chips). Even if we get an RDNA4 refresh with GDDR7, it's unlikely that 4GB GDDR7 chips will be available at that point; 3GB chips will likely be available, but that would still only give 48GB.
Nice, i was just looking for RDNA 4 leaks.
Thoughts on if i should keep the 7700xt i just got at $350 or wait for 7800xt price drops or RDNA 4?
The performance is good but 12gb of vram when its sandwiched between 2 16gb cards feels a bit bad. This is coming from a 6650xt at 1440, it handles most games just fine but scrapes by wth more recent AAA releases
7800xt price drops / and rdna 4 launching will probably happen very close to each other so if you end up waiting that much to the end of the year anyways and can afford a 7800xt at retail, why not just go for rdna 4 at close to the same price point
Your GPU is better than mine (GTX 1070) and I'm choosing to wait for next-gen. I've decided to play older games in the mean time.
In terms of upcoming releases I feel like now is a good time as any to buy or build a pc. Not much on the horizon till much later in the year
doubt AMD will releasing RDNA 4 before NVIDIA 5000 series release. There are still RDNA 2 selling that means RDNA 3 stock are still aplenty. Also the RDNA 4 sounds like a Super series instead of a completely new range.
It is a completely new architecture.
@@Dave-dh7rt well let's see what the new architecture benefits RDNA4. i want to see the raster, ray tracing and power consumption improvements.
If we believe the leak that Navi48 is between 7900XT and 7900XTX, RDNA4 will deliver "performance equivalent to 90CU with 64CU."
In comparison, Geforce's SUPER only increases the number of cores, and the output per core does not increase at all.
@@Dave-dh7rtnot completely new because it's still modified RDNA. If it completely new, AMD change the name from example from VLIW to GCN to RDNA
VLIW = 2007 - 2011
GCN = 2011 - 2019
RDNA = 2019 - ????
Meanwhile Nvidia is different, everytime they heard AMD will be releasing faster card, they will create new chip.
*Was thinking about picking up one of those Nvidia SUPER cards...*
*But the way that BULLSHIT panned out, when the reviews dropped...*
*Might as well just wait for nex gen AMD or Nvidia.*
As much as it pains me to say it the 4070 Super isn't that bad. It would've been great with 16gb vram. But, the price to perf ratio makes it the best value for Nvidia.
@@Dick_Valparaisonah, 16 GB min or bust. If I can't max out textures at 1440p,then it's off the table for me. And at 1440p,there are quite a few games that easily pass 12gb which is more for 1080p now
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br oh no that's too low, we need 512gb vram for 1080p or bust, don't get me started on 1440p that's like 2TB vram at least
@@dovahkiin3379unironically yes
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br your brain is rotten by the tech youtubers.
This was super super helpful, been itching to jump into the higher end and 4k and didn't know what was coming down the pipeline for AMD who I prefer over Nvidia. This clarified a lot for me. Great job.
11:23 yes, but we need this also for the 200 and 300 €/$ etc pricepoint with more than 8 GB of VRAM
7900XT is current US$699, so a theoretical price of $500 would be quite nice but not that groundbreaking. If it's $600 it's rather lackluster.
Even with a $200 discount and slightly faster, its still fairly underwhelming. Coming in two years after launch. Now if this were closer to low $400; what mid range should be priced at.. that would actually be a GPU most gamers would want, and the product to actually be exciting.
Just look at the 7800XT now. And the 4070/Super they aren't really selling all that well. And who can blame us.. the consumers. Those products aren't offering anything that new that isn't far off the 3080/6800XT levels of performance. That, could've been had for nearly a year prior at similar cost. And performance had for years before. Its just all so lame and tiresome (the GPU market) and predictable. Duopoly constantly testing the market, trying to push up prices to staus quo.
At $500 something it would be similar to 6800XT vs 7800XT: ~5% performance increase, same amount of VRAM, a $149 price cut at launch.
I realize, however, if $400 is only going to get you a garbage 4060Ti (at launch) with minimal 8GB VRAM, it seems too good to be true that AMD would be willing to offer this new card in that $400 range.
this gpu cannot sell above $500.
@@shchshch0 Thats how both Nvidia and AMD conditioned everyone with their pricing. Midrange chips are usually $400-450 max (like the 5700XT in 2019). Thats prior to covid and mining boom, which both companies took advantage of their customers and never really backed down.
This time its AMD wanting better margins and Nvidia not caring so much for the DGPU market, since Ai took off. I do agree its a good card in today, but really all these GPU's are grossly overpriced for what they are.
@@hinchlikescake7592 Bingo. Watching all these suckers writing positive comments about this supposedly "new" generation (which should be called RDNA 3.5; it looks like what RDNA 3 should've been), is disheartening. It's quite sad.
Any chance of a last minute 7950 xtx or a price drop on the 7900 xtx? I have been holding out with my gtx 1080 but i am reaching the limits. If i do go amd i want that big memory
As it stands, If there is a 7950 XTX it would be around the tail end of RDNA 3 and in regards to a price drop on the 7900 XTX it would be just around before the launch of RDNA 4 but it won't be much. Right now? highly unlikely if AMD had the same amount of capital as Nvidia then it would have been a sure bet. However, AMD don't so it's a matter of resource allocation and that is better off spent on RDNA 5 and beyond - as you need to take into account a GPU design takes years of development to get to the sampling stage and ultimately production for mass retail.
Personally I'm waiting for the RX 7999.1 xXx_XTX_xXx
@@earthtaurus5515 I just figured they might push something out or do a price drop in response to 4080 super, at the same price point a lot of ppl will default to nvidia. I might pull the trigger on a xtx from best buy since have a 60 day return window
@@earthtaurus5515i just figured they might want to respond to 4080 super in some way bc i feel like if you have 2 similar performing cards at the same price then many ppl will juat default to nvidia bc of brand recognition
@@rodiculous9464 True, however right now they'd be primarily competing amongst themselves on price. As RDNA2 has not completely sold through yet. Once that's sold through, expect prices to come down for RDNA 3 making room for xx50 derivatives / updates. But, they may not fall as much people would like / hope.
good work again.
If they get to a 7900 XTX, then we will finally have a 4k high refresh midrange card. Also, looking at the recent hardware unboxed review of the 4080 super, I noticed the 7900 xtx in it is 47% faster than 6950 xt. I think we will see RDNA 3 age just as well.
18:37 for the love of god PLEASE NoVideo, give us more VRAM on the RTX 5090!
But then they won't be able to sell any RTX A/B6000 or L/B40 enterprise cards. I'd be surprised if it was more than 32GB. NO LOADING FULL AI MODELS ON CONSUMER CARDS FOR YOU.
I wouldnt be surprised if 24Gb was here to stay. 32GB seems alright but with how stingy nvidia is with vram i doubt itll happen
@@GB-oj2gt how am I supposed to -ERP- talk to Not-AI Joken about how much I hate Skuld with just 24GB VRAM /s
I heard that from many sources, RDNA 4 is following the "Polaris approach". Maybe this refers to how Vega was to HBM2 and MCM with how Navi 4C (high-end) is to GDDR7 and array of chiplets. So instead of delaying the mid-range, they split the generation to two. The mid-range becomes "Polaris" i.e. RDNA 4 and the high-end becomes "Vega", i.e. RDNA 5.
But I believe that the reasoning of the split of Vega and Polaris was limited resources and uncertainty (of HBM2), while the split of RDNA 4 and 5 was neither of those two. AMD now has a very strong cash flow that can be allocated to R&D, and GDDR7 is in order of magnitude more certain. So while it looks very similar from the outside, this is not "AMD giving up high-end". It has a much more technical background without any effect of being sabotaged by an unproven memory system.
I agree with this - they still have that monster Navi 4c design up their sleeve and I suspect they could have released it but they want to perfect this instead:)
The good ol' Raja "Late to the Party" Khadory strategy 😂
A good statement.
They might need way more time to get the MCM architecture working properly, at least to be competitive with Nvidia's high end.
So it is totally reasonable by AMD to take a "Polaris approach" with RDNA4, and then release the big chiplet based cards when the next generation is ready. That gives AMD enough time to iron out any bugs and faults.
@@Skarfar90 Yep, "Polaris approach" in execution, but not "Polaris approach" in intention. That's what I wanted to make clear.
This would be closer to Polaris, if the prices mentioned in the video were cut by like < half (1/3, at MIN), esp considering it won't even be out for at least half a (if not one full) year.
Agreed: release date of RDNA 4 will primarily be based on the release date of nVidia 5070/5080 or when they run out of RDNA 3 inventory, whichever comes first. So which one is likely to come first?
Love all this info condensed in one video 😮❤
Is there any reason AMD can't get hold of (ideally 23Gbps) gddr6x for their Navi 48 cards at least when nVidia has moved to gddr7?
Good question, but if I had to guess it probably comes down to the same reason why they are releasing RDNA 4 so late. They just don’t need to. Plus that may raise prices and let’s be honest for a lot of people RDNA 4 will be a breath of fresh air when it comes to costs
@@dinowarship5762 Hopefully they've chosen to use old gddr6 to keep costs down (more infinity cache?) , I'd have wanted to see gddr6x if the faster gddr6 is turning out to be vaporware
if true, Navi 44 needs to be priced at $299 at the very most, and even that is stretching it
It'll reach that price once rdna 3 is sold out and Rdna 5 is about to launch so they can get rid of the excess inventory of the old gen by selling it cheaper in 2026 to people who can't afford it at launch.
AMD does this every 1-2 years, think of it as a clearance sale for last gen stock while those with more $$$ buy the latest gen and their new features.
Ex: rx 6k brought rt and later fsr3
Which rx 5k doesn't support
RX 7k brought fsr 3 and now afmf which 2-3x framerates and isn't supported by rx 6k.
Rx 7k also has AI cores which could be used in future version of fsr making it as good as dlss/cess
Which rk 6k won't be able to
RX 8k have much bigger ai cores making it have very high quality fsr like ex 7k but at allot more frames than rx 7k
People pay more for features now which is why if raw Raster is all you want, you buy last gen at amds clearance sales
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br Uh... AFMF and FSR3 is supported by the 6000 series afaik
@@daedalus6433 Yes, AMD's third-generation FidelityFX Super Resolution (FSR 3) supports the entire Radeon RX 6000 series. FSR 3 also supports the Radeon RX 7000 and 5000 series, as well as the Nvidia GeForce RTX 4000, RTX 30, and RTX 20 series.
i am personally very excited for the FP8 and matrix units, especially if they go for similar price/perf to what arc offers.
I was hoping the amd gpus would come much earlier this year with a few games needing more than my 8gb I might have to go for something now rather than wait a year, thanks for the update!
Assuming you game at 1080p, the 6700xt or 6800 can be had fairly cheap if still available in your market. This should keep you going until RDNA 5 releases.
I bought a 7800 xt after your first rdna 4 leak that said high en was cancelled and I'm really happy with it so far. I also have to plan according to when I visit the USA because in the country where I live they're charging 900 dollars for a 6800 so I just put my new gpu into carry-on and get it for less than half price
But if rdna 4 is basically a 4080 in both raster and raytracing I might upgrade to it if it's 500 or below and I go to the states at that point in time.
I see everyone talking about 7800xt but it doesn't even make it into steam hardware survey list. The "worst seller" 4080 is 38th most popular gpu, above rx 6600 and 3090. It doesn't make much sense to me
@@MoltenPiesteam doesn't show a real world situation. There's many people who upgrade their hardware but with same GPU. Thus steam report same GPU twice.
Another thing is i did lurking into games piracy within third world countries and find out most of people there bought used cards.
Most of them bought used GTX 1060, 1050 TI, used 1660 and used 1650.
Meanwhile for AMD is used RX580, used RX570, RX480 and RX470, few of them bought RX5500
@PieTom has had industry analysts on his podcast and they say that when they do market share analysis they just ignore the steam hardware survey. It just does not correlate with any real data that they have.
I have my reservations about the top end RDNA4 cards... 300-3250mm2 monolithic is fine when the 7900s were (GCD) 300mm2. so they are optimizing the MCDs out of it which is good, new expensive node they don't want to spend money on cache for no reason but I find it hard to believe it will do much more than the 7800XT did for RDNA3.
Granted the 7800XT is an amazing card itself, however nvidia is just going to bend AMD over again if this is the best they can do.
Also my fears of them dropping (or them just being more buggy and last to be taken care of) RDNA3 support in drivers is becoming more and more prevalent
Excellent content!
Sounds like a great upgrade path from my current RX 5700 XT, Navi 48 here we come! My GPU journey started with the RX 480 on Polaris, to RDNA 1 or Navi 10, and current offerings have not been compelling enough for me to pull the trigger. Happy to wait and see what happens.
On the rx5700xt. Still have two 580s
ancient gameplays is the goat for amd related stuff
if you're a fanboy yes. if you want to see tools that cost thousands used to monitor gpu power spikes GamersNexus is a whole other league
He suffers from techbroitis, when you make really good and informative content about a specific topic but you're extremely annoying and know nothing outside of your niche
I was really hoping for something better than the 7900XTX for RDNA4, but hey a cheaper 7900XTX is still good
But it sounds more like a 7950XT than a 7900XTX which is a bummer. I want 4090 levels of performance for 1k€, but it looks like it'll take another 1,5 to 2 years. I already hate everything about that.
@@erazzedit won’t even be a “7950XTX”-type performance, but the 7900XTX is closer to the 4090 in raster than a lot of people seem to realize. No, it’s not within a few percent the way the 6900XT always was to the 3090, but it also isn’t 60% of the power the way a lot of people seem to think. It’s closer to 85% raster, with some people claiming to be able to OC some models to within single digits.
Good one. Thx
My first guess on a launch would be the same thing stated here, which is AMD wants to launch Q4 2024, and they PROBABLY want to get them out for the holiday shopping period of late Oct - Dec, so end of October. I think Q1 2025 would be viewed as a fail for missing that shopping period. Q3 would happen if everything goes well and they have something motivating them to launch then.
I have a 3080FTW3 Ultra. ( I over-paid due to human malware ) Nothing really worth it. I want a 50-70% + increase in frames before I upgrade.
4090 gives you even more than that
AMD no high end 'Goat GPU' disappoint confirmed. Sad that DDR7 isn't ready, not AMDs fault but Samsung's.
I was hoping for 7950XTX with DDR 7.
You can not just replace gddr6 by gddr7… it needs new chip to Support gddr7…
i am completely blown away by the performance of my 7900xt, no regrets
no ragrets
Proper good video m8 well done !
Cheers!
I play mostly older games now and I can run almost all of them on ultra or high settings and still get about 75fps on my 1650 Super. I do want to upgrade, but I've put it off this long, and now that FB monetized my page, I actually might be able to save up, so if I can start saving in a month or two, I should have a decent upgrade fund by Q4 this year or early next year. Still on AM4 so I'm thinking of the 5700x3D and then either a 7800xt (If I buy in just a couple of monhs) or I'll wait until whatever the new stuff ends up being. Obviously if something happens and I need to upgrade sooner, then I still have a lot of relatively cheaper options that would still be an upgrade for me. So, no real rush I guess.
If you're getting money coming, just get the 5800x3d, 12% faster is laot better and you get more life out of current platform
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br or he could get the 7600x and be on the new platform with basically the same gaming performance. there is zero reason to stay on am4 when the 13th gen i5 and the bottom end am5 meet or beat the performance of the best am4 has to offer.
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br It's not a lot of money right now, so it might depend on how fast the page grows (it's a political page in an election year, it might do ok lol), but the benchmarking I saw had it not that far off of the 5800x3D, so if it comes down to using the $60 or so for a CPU upgrade or using it for a GPU upgrade (it it's between the 7700xt and 7800xt for example), then I'd use it for the GPU upgrade. We'll see though.
Amd cdna 3 matrix core performance is on par with nvidia tensor cores.
If they can put in on rdna 4 , it will bring AI upscale for new gen FSR 4
Plus they need fix ray tracing performance and add actual traversal unit in RT cores. Cause Rdna 2 and 3 ray tracing suck.
Amd's strategy with rdna is stupid. Gpu compute is very valuable, having 2 architectures for different purposes is why rdna sucks. If they can get more die space for rt and have some cdna features maybe then people would care about radeon. Gaming isnt everything
Great video :}
I have a 5700 non xt. I was going to upgrade when xtx came out. I didn’t because I was not pleased with the launch. I’ll get a new monitor with this up coming launch
*sigh* FINE I'll stay up another 20 mins lol
19:35 - this essentially means that they reckon the RTX 5070 will be barely any faster than the 4070 Ti Super if it aims to compete with Navi 48. Ngreedia aren't done with their sandbagging at all it seems - I'd expect such a 5070 to match an RTX 4090 in performance with less VRAM (16gb on a 256-bit bus).
5080 might match 4090, there is no chance that 5070 will
@@bhaveshsonar7558 if ngreedia are being reasonable we would see ;
5090 = 4090 + 45-55%
5080 = 4090 + 25-35%
5070ti = 4090 +5-15%
5070 = 4090 +/-5%
But this is ngreedia we are talking about ... Heck even the 2080 was slightly faster than the 1080ti at launch in raster but having a new x80 card not beating the previous flagship would be a new low.
@@bhaveshsonar7558 I doubt it'll even be faster than a 4080 tbh, that's already over a 50% performance improvement that we're expecting
Eh who knows, could be priced higher with better performance too. 7800 xt competes with the 4070 despite costing less. I'd imagine at $600 you would be right but if the 5070 is $700 and like 4080 levels of perf while the 7800xt is 10% behind for $500 thats pretty similar raster to price differences as the 4070 and 7800 xt. Not to mention there might be no 5070 ti and it almost definitley wont come out first like with lovelace which was purely due to the 408012gb. If theres no 5070ti then the main competitor will be the 5070 basically no matter what lmao. The 5070 being 15% faster than a 4070 super would make no sense.
Im betting 50 bucks that 5070 will match 4080 super. Never expect anything good from leather jacket man
Those drivers better be rock solid and steady.
Tighter frame times and better 1% lows are more important (to me) than cutting edge ray tracing.
Great reporting tonight. Thank you.
Thanks! :)
I just can't see them still using GDDR6 on a 256 bit bus. The 7800xt has 19.5 gbps, and this thing will only have 2.5% more, but be 30% faster??? That sounds like it might choke, unless something along the cache structure gets a massive upgrade. Like a 64mb L3 stacked v-cache on top of the 32mb similar to how CPUs work.
192 bit with 32-36gbps GDDR7 just makes more sense, because that actually causes it to fall where it needs to (similar or more than a 7900xt), and likely be more power efficient for targeting mobile.
With 3GB modules being available, 18GB I think would be perfect on 192 bit. I don't know why they would go the power hungry route.
So it's just rdna3 MONOLITHIC refresh.
8800xt - 80cu (40wgp) 16gb 256b 20gbps $600 just less than 7900xtx perf
8800 - 72cu -16 256b 18gbps $500 ~7900xt perf
8700xt - 60cu - 12gb 192b 20gbps $400 - 7800xt perf
8600xt - 40cu - 16gb 128b 20gbps $330 - 4060ti perf
8600 - 36cu 8gb 128b 18gbps $230.
AMD is just reducing cost and prices to be competitive in low/mid gaming till 5070 launch in 2025 or for 6 months. Should launch no later than sep-oct 2024.
I don't like that AMD is slowing. 4 generation with gddr6. This should be rdna3 and multigpu 7900 series to be just halo products - 2x256b and 2x192b
Rx 6000 with infinity cache proved much more perf can be achieved without choking with infinty cache, rx 7000 shrink infinity cache use but rx 8000 might bring back the big infinty cache
@@hristobotev9726 I don't know where you're pulling that information from. Seems made up.
there is enough Linux driver info already revealed it's not a refresh. There is larger changes. 64 CU that MLID mentioned just makes more sense to me.
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br 7000 series didn't intend to shrink it. There is anchor points for stacking cache, but it's a failed architecture so they abandoned it that idea, because they couldn't hit frequency performance to where the cache mattered.
if top RDNA 4 is closer to a 7900XT than a 4080, then it has to be $499-$549 at most or it's gonna be a disappointment again. I'm sorry but AMD needs a home run.
Why… 4080 is over $1000… then something new that is little bit slover… can easily be $850 to $900.
@@haukionkannelwhat??? Bro thats pulling an nvidia. Hes right
Agree with this - can't be over $550 at most for a 7900xt/4070 ti Super competitor
@@Dave-dh7rt lol, freaking fanboys. It's almost as if they're rooting for companies to rip their fellow consumers off (as long as their color is red), LET'S GOOO!!!
@@bonerjamz1668 amd does not rip their customers off unlike nvidia
Any ideas on power consumption for Navi 48? Same as RDNA 3?
I have a 3080 that's pretty comfy at 4k. I think I'll wait to see what both teams offer, wait for the scalpers to stop scalping, THEN pick one up. I'm in no rush. Thanks for the awesome leaks, as always.
I'm so happy I bought my 1080ti 6 years ago. ROFL. Still running strong with no need to upgrade and I have 11gb of VRAM. ROFL watching the GPU market is hilarious.
Have you used FSR on it?
Even with 11GB of VRAM I think Pascal is on its last legs so you'll seriously be struggling even at 1080p for new releases this year onwards (Alan Wake 2 a canary in the coalmine). Still an awesome card for such a long time but I'd replace with a 7800xt or 7900xt now tbh.
@@tourmaline07nah, need rt, so rdna 4
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br Not entirely convinced RDNA 4 will match Lovelace in RT on average unless they use purpose built RT cores . They have done well with what they have though.
@@tourmaline07 I play new releases at 1440p with my 1080ti. You obviously don't own a 1080ti or know why it is so special or why is can play new releases at 1440p. ROFL you just made up you post out of thin air. ROFL the mentality of people is amazing sometimes.
Tom says that amd is about to lauunch a 4070 ti s for 300 bucks less, okey but that is like still in the future. Not so long ago u could find older gpus on sale, heck when rx 480 from amd was about to come out u already could get maxwell gtx 980 for 220€ and Hawaii cards for even less. Then when rx480 really launched it was 300€ and it was so for at least 6-7 months, and during that time period 1060 6GB(only 1060 at the time) was 20€ less than the Polaris card.
Heck just this winter in 2023 I bought an 6900xt aib card for 500€, sure old now but still cheaper than 7800xt and as fast as 6950xt mba if u just slide the v-ram slider to the same frequency.
Anyway, I would not say that it is a good argument that a new amd gpu or even a new product from any company that performs about the same as an older card but costs more than the older gen does in retail at the moment. Msrp is a lie, retail prices is the only price you should think about.
Here you are leaking RDNA 4 but I'm already looking beyond those. Are there any new roadmaps beyond RDNA 4 or Blackwell?
Give us an option with tons of vRAM AMD. We sorely need 32gb or 48gb options in the consumer market for AI LLMs.
AMD really needs to improve RT performance with RDNA4 If they want to have a chance against NVIDIA.
I'm guessing you would faint if you saw my game graphics settings. Let's say I have very little appreciation for Ray Tracing in games. I often disable a lot of the graphics fidgets that modern games often have. Sub surface scattering? Go away! Really good handling of shadows and such? Die! a lot of the good graphics options really makes it harder to see what's going on. More realistic? Sure it may be realistic, but it's also less fun for me. I'm not playing games to be reminded of how average I am. When I play a game I want to see the enemy even when they try to hide. I'm not playing the game because it's so incredibly realistic.
Now I recently fell down a stair and got a rather nasty head trauma. Lost the hearing of one ear, a severe bleeding in my brain, and a blood clot plugging up another part of the brain. So i lost a good bit of my dexterity, has a hard time walking and some memory issues with my vocabulary. Incredibly enough my long term memory seems to be perfectly fine. Yet it has all but killed my ability to do well in normal shooters as I cant hear any directions or surround sound information. And I certainly do not need deeper and more realistic shadows and light sources...
But my disregard of "Realistic" light and shadows is way older than that. Sure i is fun to see really high quality graphics, but I don't want to game in it.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 I'm sorry to hear that. Hope all goes well for you. I personally own AMD myself. It's just that many people consider RT. AMD is so far behind NVIDIA AMD gaming has become all about niche features rather than good games, which is sad.
So nothing changes. AMD is trying to catch up as usual and Nvidia charges premium because it's ahead. We'll basically get updated current gen but with slight price decrease. We're stuck in 4k with upscalers for 2-3 gens
Upscaling is here to stay. It's already very good, especially in 4k and sometimes even better than native due to better pixel stability, and it will only get better.
It's simply the more efficient way: Why use 20-30% more power to get virtually the same result?
The real problem is that Nvidia clings to the artificial segmentation by cutting down their cards in just the right way to keep 4k pricing as high as possible and AMD has no intention of going to fight that.
But I agree with you: I'm not enthusiastic about the next generation either. The tech world currently sucks as much as the political world.
If i can buy 7900xt tomorrow, should I do it or wait for end of the year for rdna4? Would I regret spending money on mcm rdna3 then?
IMHO- raytracing is becoming the norm and RDNA 4 is going to be a significant increase in performance with that feature.
Thanks Tom, so will rdna5 come (relatively) quickly after? Maybe late 2025?
If RDNA 4 launches in Q4 2024 - Q1 2025 it will have to compete with the Nvidia 5000 series, not the 4000 series. By the end of the year the 7900 XT will be 2 years old already. Also the 7900 XT is only 30% stronger than the 7800 XT. So let's call this future GPU by its proper name. It should be called the 8800 XT. Not the 8900 XT. Therefore, the 8800 XT for $500 is not a revolution, but just a normal price for this GPU tier. The 7900 XT is already at $700. By the end of the year, it will probably be at $600 anyway. The RTX 5070/Super will likely be as powerful as 7900 XT because it would also only be a 30% improvement. It's not likely that prices will rise above $600 at this point. So the 5070/Super will have the performance of a 7900 XT for $500 to $600. Does $100 (at best) make that much of a difference? AMD is always 10-20% cheaper than Nvidia. Don't get me wrong I'm an AMD user, but that's exactly what we have now. Nothing to get overly excited about. On the contrary, it would be a big disappointment if the future 8800 XT was only 10-20% better for the same price. 30% improvement is the minimum that can be called ok.
the cards will release in totally different segments, so they won't really compete with each other (edit: I do agree that the improvement in $/perf doesn't seem like anything to write home about, but let's see)
@@defeqel6537 Which cards?
Sounds much like a 7800XT vs 4070 situation to me again.
So a $500 16GB Navi 48 will beat the $600 12GB 5070.
@@nipa5961But only slightly. So nothing to get overly excited about.
@@JackJohnson-br4qr the first Blackwell cards and the cards based on Navi 44/48
90% of market is 1080p/1440p.
Looking at my 6950xt and 4k atm and the games I play its difficult to motivate an upgrade anytime soon.
but if a N48 is in similiar price range as what i got my 6950xt for then, yes.
I've been playing at 4k since I got my rx480 8gb, and I won't be going back to 1080p.
That's only a 20% performance improvement you're paying for, though. The 6950xt is 10% faster than the 7800xt, and this RDNA4 chip would only be 30% faster than the 7800xt.
Love my RX 6950XT but I’m ready for an upgrade it’s been a good 8 months.
Hey Tom, are they going to reuse the same RT cores from the 6000 series yet again ?
if they do theyre stupid and are holding back games
No
@@youtubeaccount7544 is it confirmed?
It aeems AMD has a nice window here especially for RDNA 5. If Navi 4 series can be launched anywhere from Q3 to Q1 2025, they have enough time to polish and have drivers ready for both plus gopefully increase feature set which will put them in even better competition with Nvidia.
who could be mad with 7900xt/xtx performance at $500, i know i'll pick up an 8800 xt day one.
Becsuse it is in 9 plus months to a year plus and we will be in a next generation and we can assume nvidia will be making leaps also. Jesus.
acting like that's something special. the 7800XT should've performed in between the 7900XT/XTX given where the 6800XT was. essentially they're taking an additional generation to catch up to where they should have been last year and giving up on high end competition altogether. nothing about this news is good tbh.
@@_M.... It will have the power i need for a price that i won't look back and and ask why did i buy it, so i'm fine with that.
@@TakaChan569 good for you.
In my mind, the 8000 series is going to be "more" future proof with the significant closing of the gap with NVIDIAs 4000-series raytracing performance.
Whether folks like it or not, raytracing is going to be more commonly implemented as a forced feature.
I'm currently a bit concerned about the media here in Germany, they claim that Zen5 will have at least 30% IPC increase, because of RedGaming Tech. I already had to create multiple accounts on these sides, to comment on these claims and that RGT is not a good leaker, he made major mistakes in the past, "leaked" complete trash from his "very trustful source"...
I was hoping they would add their neural proc's to their gpu's to offload rt'ing and other features/services. Guess I will see if they have a working power connector on the 5090 >.>''
Hopefully they start supporting 6 monitors on a single card again.
Was super disappointed to return my RX7800 XT and buying a used RX6800 to replace my RX580
I really wish AMD would release a Rdna3 refresh with slightly faster performance.
Close to rdna 2 release: it's rdna 3 that will go hard on rt.
Close to rdna 3: it's rdna 4 that will go hard on rt.
Close to rdna 4: it's rdna 5 that will go hard on rt.
It's the neverending story.
About 7900xtx with much better rt @500usd is great news. A step in the right direction.
I dont understand, why dont they just make N44 into a 192-bit bus instead of 128-bit, that way they can charge around $350+/- while having 12gb of VRAM without having to deal with clampshell design and 16gb of VRAM which not a lot of people will utilize since 4k is kinda unrealistic in the performance area and older titles that do run 4k high at 60+fps won't even be utilizing more than 12gb.
Because it's designed to max out 1440p which needs more vram. Max out, remember
If Nvidia didn't do that, AMD won't
Great analytics, thanks Tom.
I think your 3rd source is the most accurate in my opinion. 7800xt sells well, so is 7900xt at 699$ or even 650$ in the future. They won't launch navi 48 till q1 2025.
I'm currently at 3080, will wait till 5070 16gb for 600$ but honestly, might even skip next gen also. Not a fan of Alan Wake, Cyberpunk an other AAA games, still playing Hearthstone like games and Fortnite. However if I get double performance of my 3080 for less than 800$, I might consider buying, especially since it will have increased VRAM capacity, but I think double will be 1000$ or 1200$ and I'm talking MSRP, in Ukraine it ends up being 1500$ after VAT + logistic + retailer fees, so...yeah...
Ya know, instead of making new GPU's every two years, why not wait? We really don't need new GPU's.
I'm sitting on my 3060TI hoping my gigs of vram can handle games at 1440p until the next gen.
Only have 12 months on the outside estimate. You should be able to make it work I bet.
Isn't it wild that just until the last month (or last September with AMD's RX 7800 XT) you had to jump all the way up to a 4080 just to have a 256-bit bus this gen?
I mean, you still have to spend at least $800 just to have that luxury this gen with Nvidia. Plus, if you do higher resolution emulation the 3060ti smokes the 4060ti.
@@Dick_Valparaiso I made the mistake of upgrading my 970 gtx when prices for the 3000 series were almost double the msrp. It's a mistake that I really regret but sometimes that's how you learn.
keeep waiting to 1.5 yrs for a 5070 :) i upgraded my 3070 FE 3 days back
@@ChuddAnon That's how I ended up with a PS5. I was looking to do a build early 2021. But, with the gpu market so out of whack and the then power of the consoles relative to mid-range PC's I ended up snagging a PS5 for retail. I don't regret it since I had a sizeable PS4 library along with my PC. But, now it's very much time for me to ugrade from my 1060 build. The 3060ti was actually the card I wanted back then too. I'm really leaning toward a 4070 Super atm.
Hey dude GOOD video. You hit really good points that I've mulled over a while now. I don't watch all the videos on this channel so I don't keep up with all the rumors but a bit of what you said in this one is exactly what I was thinking, especially the part that AMD could put out products at lower cost that are GOOD 2K and 1080p gaming GPUs., and HOPEFULLY really good RT performance.
Actually instead of being disappointed that AMD is ONLY going to hit the top end range they are, I'm EXCITED that MAYBE AMD can hit this level AND it be a 2K gaming GPU WITH RT enabled, which has been my problem with AMD GPUs since RDNA 2 and why I have no interest in RDNA 3 AND I don't think that MCM architecture does anything for them but add cost, when they're saying it lowers cost. Yeah BS. The connections required in the manufacturing of MCM adds cost, and my understanding is the interconnect for the GPU is more expensive than the interconnect for their CPUs. It's a different type of interconnect. But my issue is you buy a 2K in raster GPU, but if you enable RT you have to drop down to 1080p. I HOPE RDNA 4 solves that.
What I'm waiting to see is if Mickey Soft puts out their AI upscaling to games AND AMD GPUs run it well. This gets AMD out of the position of being behind Nvidia and Intel if this happens and users can then chose between Mickeysoft upscaling or FSR. That wouldn't be so bad.
is it me or I'm having a hard time being hyped about a new GPU with the perfoirmance of the 4080? Of course price matters and all but....
Well it isn't all flashy and exciting really, but this cycle and the lackluster demand overall demonstrated that a lot of gamers (who don't buy cards for AI) are thirsty for value. So if AMD goes the Polaris route in terms of sane prices, it'll be a winner and be exciting for a lot of people who've been waiting to upgrade without paying a shitload more money for that to make sense.