0:43 Ss4 Goku actually didnt manage to hit Ui goku his hand blocked it if u see really closely but it still hurt goku a bit tho since it was like So close to him and ss4 goku is no Joke
this goku also hasnt gone through any of the super plot, only meeting beerus, so imagine he actually fought gold frieza, zamasu, jiren etc. but xeno goku wayyyyy stronger in arcade anyways.
this actually wasnt surprising and im glad that the writers went this direction because if ss4 won it would undermine the superiority of the power of the angels. making powerscaling that much more inconsistant than it has already become.
And then there's Gohan Beast which makes the technique of the Angels look like a joke. Goku trained with 2 angels and in the end his lazy son who barely trains just asspulls a form that's as strong as UI.
@@Nfjendndjit’s also xeno goku after using up most of his energy fighting omega and broly. Its not a fair fight while mui asspulls out new energy seperate from god form and base form ki
Always gotta love how ssj4 gives you your clothes back. Never understood how that works lol 😂. Because it clearly rips off Goku when he transforms. 😂😂😂
Same or similar logic to GT. Both Goku and Vegeta gets their clothes back when transforming back to normal. Closest we ever saw was Vegeta when he transformed back to normal but even still it didnt make any sense.
@@EmeralBookwise You get to see that too when Goku is back to being a kid again. When Vegeta powers up as SSJ4, you get to see him transform back to normal.
Tbh I'm not surprised UI Goku won. It's heads and shoulders above anything before it. Limit Breaker SS4 is no slouch though which really is amazing considering who his opponent was. Goku being able to dodge Xeno Goku's attacks was incredibly helpful. Love the tail swipe though, it really is like an extra apendage.
Technically speaking, Ultra Instinct should be able to theoretically work with SSJ4.... But it should be noted that UI is less about power and more about efficiency... It's an efficient and controlled form that allows him to block and dodge better...
So in terms of raw power, Omen and Limit Breaker appear to be dead even, maybe Limit Breaker having more due to my next point. Even with UI having the ability to dodge most incoming attacks, they were both roughly equal in terms of damage before that final punch. Meaning either Xeno Goku was so skilled he could match the dodging power of UI just by his own abilities. Or he just hits so hard that for every 2-3 hits CC goku lands, Xeno only needs 1 to match that damage. Impressive honestly
Quite frankly I'm surprised Goku:Xeno didn't use the Dragon Fist; we've seen in GT that despite being either beaten up or low on energy,, Goku's Dragon Fist is still capable of obliterating enemies dozens of times more powerful than himself.
Dragon Fist would have drained his full power and ui omen goku is more durable which means it would be left standing with little power meanwhile xeno goku would fall from running out of energy @@WeatherxCalipha
@@reddragon100 nah man. This is CC goku. While yes, he essentially followed the main super timeline at one point, he's a part of the heroes continuity now. Which means broken as hell boosts in power. Current manga goku would be folded like origami by CC goku
@EmitNen Still gotta remember that this is Xeno Goku in a form that's only able to keep up because of God Ki (Limit Break Ssj4). Xeno Goku is not only way more experienced and older than CC Goku, but has been stronger than the main series' Goku for YEARS. Ui -Sign- is such an unreasonably strong technique/form that it closes the gap between the two, even though the form can only get stronger from there. Thank you, this has been my Ted Talk.
0:29 This essentially tells the difference between the two forms. UI is about unparalleled speed while SSJ4 is about primitive unbound strength. UI Goku’s regular punches because lights speed attacks while SSJ4 Goku’s regular punches become heavy attacks. SSJ. 4 at the limit breaker stage is in it’s own domain but nothing surpasses the angel’s abilities which ultimately gets highlighted.
As a long time older dragon ball fan, I can accept the outcome of this fight. Even though I have my bias in personally liking the GT characters over their Super counterparts, it’d be foolish to think that the writers, canon or not, would write a plot where DB Super Goku loses to a form of himself that came out nearly 30 years ago now. I’m satisfied and still view SSJ4 as my favorite form. Lol
Besides, Ascended State Goku is much, *much* stronger than SSJ4 and would demolish UI if this video is their comparison. So GT Goku still goes home with the secret W.
Probably not… since we see SSBE and SS4 Vegeta’s limit break fighting. So it’s probably just a case of Xeno Goku ssj4 Lb being stronger than say Vegeta’s????
Well it uses the power of great ape form so pretty is stronger then blue that's why I said if Goku n Vegeta had they tails they be far more stronger they more experienced is why Goku ssgs form was even strong enough to keep it
Im a bigger fan of DBGT than DBS, but. Even i can admit Ultra instinct and MUI is cooler and far superior to SS4. Its not about power, its the ultra reflexes and precision that beats any other fighter. That being said I still love SS4 form its the only true “super saiyan” imo
@@ashleybanks-wm4cg Not really. Heroes is anything and anyone in any situation you can think of. Canonically, people like Fu and Cumber don't really exist.
Most powerful version of SSJ4, ever. Able to land hits on a UI Sign user and match it. Best display of SSJ4 in it's entire existence. Regular SSJ4 isnt nearly enough to pass the level of SSG or Blue (though it is definitely in the league somewhere) but this is very impressive even by those standards. Completed UI is overkill tho
Ok don't care about power or bs but can someone acknowledge that was pure badass and smart when ssj4 goku grabbed ui goku by his tail like dude actually used tail as a weapon as well❤
@@itzzdelgado”couldn’t land a hit on omen” UI Sign Goku had his clothes intact and the next, he is seen battle damaged with scratches implying that LBSS4 managed to damage him
If Xeno Goku had used Kaioken times 10 on top of his Limit Breaker form against UI Goku, would the results be different? I think LB Kaioken times 10 Xeno Goku would be stronger and faster than UI Goku, but no match for MUI.
Super Saiyan 4 is weaker than the god forms. But Xeno Goku is stronger with base power level, Goku using Ultra Instinct to fight limit breaker ssj4 is pretty valid. But if Xeno Goku had the same base power level as CC Goku, he would lose to Super Saiyan Blue easy.
Ssj4 is hella strong, especially on Goku Xeno… but the ones you call DBS fanboys… are right. (If they say that the Super transformations are stronger, but I guess it just depends on training and experience) I love both GT and Super, maybe more Super because I did not enjoy the first seasons of GT, loved the Baby saga and on.
@@jdennis867 that’s not dBs goku tho, it’s cc goku. That’s what I meant, it a version of goku that would completely demolish Zeno in base like xeno can
@@socketyellow3 i know u told me this alrdy and that's my mistake but im saying that in my initial comment i wasn't talking about gt goku. I know who cc goku is. it's just the anime make it seem like it's regular dbs goku.
Off-topic, but imagine Super Saiyajin 4 God? How strong would it be? Would it beat U.I? I’ll do scaling like I normally do, using the anime’s. Boo Saga: Base Gokou - 1 S.S.3 Gokou, S.S.Grade.4 Gotenks, and Base Gotenks (trained) - 400 S.S.Grade.4 Gotenks (trained) - 20,000 S.S.Grade.5 (S.S.2) Gotenks - 40,000 S.S.3 Gotenks - 160,000 Ultimate Gohan - 240,000 Super Boo (Gotenks & Piccolo Jr absorbed) - 300,000 Super Boo (Three hybrids and Piccolo Jr absorbed) - 450,000 Base Vegetto - 360,000 S.S.Grade.4 Vegetto - 36,000,000 S.S.Grade.5 Vegetto - 72,000,000 S.S.3 Vegetto - 288,000,000 S.S.God is hypothetically twice the power, so 576,000,000, round it up to 580,000,000. Which is MASSIVE. Super Saiyajin 4: S.S.3 Gokou - 1 S.S.Grade.4 Bebi Vegeta (ranked Gokou’s punch) - 2 Super Bebi 1 - 4 Super Bebi 2 (the form that resembles Bebi) - 16 Revenge Death Ball - 32 Suppressed S.S.4 Gokou, wasn’t phased by the attack, and was said by Elder Kai to not have used a smidgen of his power, which I will say here may be not even 1% of his power, but I’ll say it’s 1% - 64 100% S.S.4 Gokou - 6,400 So Super Saiyajin 4 is x2,560,000 in total, but I’ll round it up to 2,600,000 cause I like clean numbers. So x580,000,000 from Super Saiyajin God and x2,600,000 from Super Saiyajin 4 would make, x 1,508,000,000,000,000 which is MASSIVE number alone, and even as a power level alone. Super Saiyajin 4 God would be insane. But back to the question, would it be better than U.I or even Limit Breaker S.S.4? Well, U.I is stronger than both S.S.Blue + King Kai Fist and S.S.4 fusions. So weirdly, probably no? Honestly would’ve like if Zeno Gokou and Vegeta had S.S.4 God.
@@Koodllez But then it would be a god form, it’s just a super powered up mortal form that’s been powered up by beings who were just as strong as them. Unlike before, Gokou in G.T was powered up two times by fighters far weaker than himself, so what happened in Heroes could be what I said. Here’s the idea S.S.4 (against Bebi) - 100 The Four Hybrid Saiyajins - 5 Full-Power S.S.4 - 500 S.S.4 (vs 1 Star Dragon) - 500 Three Hybrid Saiyajins - 5 Ultra Full-Power S.S.4 - 2,500 S.S.4 (against that Super Janemba- 2,500 S.S.Blue, God, and Pan - 2,500 Limit Breaker S.S.4 - 6,250,000
ssj4 limit breaker was having a tough battle with UI. As much I love ssj4, Xeno would need a higher base power level to beat a MUI Goku (in this battle they were equal).
Quizas tenga que ver que cuando el ssj4 se transforma hay una esfera de energia brillante que lo rodea , quizas eso tenga algo de magia dentro por eso algunos ataques aumentan la resistencia del ssj4
glad toei and bandai took akira toriyamas word as well as GT/TOEI databooks to heart in heroes and made ssj4 and limit breaker exactly as stronger as they should be. people shit on gt power scaling all the time because its “not canon”(then neither is super considering akira had the same level of control/work put into both that being almost nothing besides character design) or because its older than super(just makes no sense as a reason) or that they lack god ki(again makes zero sense considering most of gokus toughest fights were against people without god ki meaning god ki is just ki with better control nothing else) whenever almost all of super was influenced by GT as per akiras wishes. literally EVERY god form we’ve seen besides ultra ego are directly influenced by ssj4. and i mean literally, the god ritual, healing, ultimate ki control(which is funny cuz u can be knocked out of blue but ssj4 90% of the time doesnt and has way better stamina), automatic movements(as you saw when gokus tail grabbed goku, and yes ssj4s have automovement), and then it has MORE than the god forms and acts just like ui/potential unleashed and that it doesnt even have a set multiplier. the guide books say its the ultimate saiyan power, a limit breaking achievement that even whis fears. older guidebooks before heroes and super say the exact same besides leaving Super characters out bcuz they didnt exist yet, and that it brings out every last bit of their latent power, multiplies it, and then gets stronger overtime. its literally EVERY DRAGON BALL FORM put into one and its awesome. toei also said in the databooks that goku never mastered super saiyan 4, meaning he had many more upgrades for it ready to be found. but, he then became Change/HOPE goku which is the literal strongest character in all of dragon ball. best overall form AND youre God himself? id like to see cc and xeno goku try lmfao
If you thought ssj4 was goin beat ui then you obviously ain’t see the scan toriyama put out yrs ago when first introducing ui goku he said it was the strongest goku in history meaning he was obviously stronger than ssj4
People saying ui goku and limit breaker goku was dead even let me jist express goku didn't go mastered ui until the end where he won in one blow so no they wasn't even lol
To be fair, his character was created waaaay before UI even exist as an concept. Maybe when anime reaches the part where Goku achieves UI in his SSJ forms, Heroes use it too.
![[What-If 15] Xeno Vegito VS Gogeta (Limit-Break Super Saiyan 4/Super Saiyan Blue Evolution Kaioken)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/VDx1iZzcYFA/mqdefault.jpg)
0:31 the way Goku look at Goku
Death stare
Ong. They both probably like "Fuck my other self"
That’s the look a big bro gives his lil bro when sparring
He like bro you think that would work on you? Guess what im you, maybe think a little？ Type of look😂
He was like "I've seen this before"
Gives a new meaning to fighting your inner demons
Yeah
Fighting your inner monkies
@@AlexB4tman lmao Bros on a racist streak
@@mastergamer.3.070 frieza fan here
0:43 Ss4 Goku actually didnt manage to hit Ui goku his hand blocked it if u see really closely but it still hurt goku a bit tho since it was like So close to him and ss4 goku is no Joke
Yo that's insane detail!
yeah
Aun asi el ssj 4 limit brekaer esta cerca en velocidad al ui señal ya que esquivo unos ataques de este.
Damn!!
this goku also hasnt gone through any of the super plot, only meeting beerus, so imagine he actually fought gold frieza, zamasu, jiren etc. but xeno goku wayyyyy stronger in arcade anyways.
this actually wasnt surprising and im glad that the writers went this direction because if ss4 won it would undermine the superiority of the power of the angels. making powerscaling that much more inconsistant than it has already become.
yea but isn't xeno goku even in base form op af?
@@jdennis867so is cc goku, in fact he’s surpassed xeno with universal blue by miles
both are equal nobody won in this scene tbh. both was tired cc only won because Mui that can only last second and being lucky too
@@socketyellow3do you even watch the manga both are equal nobody actually lose or won in this case. both not even hurt or even bleed
And then there's Gohan Beast which makes the technique of the Angels look like a joke. Goku trained with 2 angels and in the end his lazy son who barely trains just asspulls a form that's as strong as UI.
I can’t believe SSJ4 goku can tackle ULTRA INSTINCT this well.
This is fucking great!
Because this is not a simple SSJ4, this is a SSJ4 "Limit Breaker"
@@Nfjendndjit’s also xeno goku after using up most of his energy fighting omega and broly. Its not a fair fight while mui asspulls out new energy seperate from god form and base form ki
@@fridaynightnicktoons6885they recovered already from that fight
UI Goku still caught the punch
@@Unpluggedx89 oh yeah absolutely, but SSJ4 can keep up, that is what is impressive
SS4 Goku was always my favorite SS form. Glad to see the they brought him back!
Always gotta love how ssj4 gives you your clothes back. Never understood how that works lol 😂. Because it clearly rips off Goku when he transforms. 😂😂😂
Same or similar logic to GT. Both Goku and Vegeta gets their clothes back when transforming back to normal. Closest we ever saw was Vegeta when he transformed back to normal but even still it didnt make any sense.
Piccolo literally has a clothes beam. Clothes magically appearing is nothing new.
@@merimkastrat5846: Vegeta is doubly weird because in GT he wears fingerless gloves in base, but then they become full gloves in SS4.
@@EmeralBookwise You get to see that too when Goku is back to being a kid again. When Vegeta powers up as SSJ4, you get to see him transform back to normal.
Time magic i believe😂
R.I.P Toriyama 💔 🥲🥲, the soundtrack playing would be a great fit for an animated Goku UI vs Beast Gohan.
What is the music playing called
Tbh I'm not surprised UI Goku won. It's heads and shoulders above anything before it. Limit Breaker SS4 is no slouch though which really is amazing considering who his opponent was. Goku being able to dodge Xeno Goku's attacks was incredibly helpful. Love the tail swipe though, it really is like an extra apendage.
Technically speaking, Ultra Instinct should be able to theoretically work with SSJ4....
But it should be noted that UI is less about power and more about efficiency...
It's an efficient and controlled form that allows him to block and dodge better...
So in terms of raw power, Omen and Limit Breaker appear to be dead even, maybe Limit Breaker having more due to my next point. Even with UI having the ability to dodge most incoming attacks, they were both roughly equal in terms of damage before that final punch. Meaning either Xeno Goku was so skilled he could match the dodging power of UI just by his own abilities. Or he just hits so hard that for every 2-3 hits CC goku lands, Xeno only needs 1 to match that damage. Impressive honestly
Quite frankly I'm surprised Goku:Xeno didn't use the Dragon Fist; we've seen in GT that despite being either beaten up or low on energy,, Goku's Dragon Fist is still capable of obliterating enemies dozens of times more powerful than himself.
Its TOP Goku.
Current Goku with TUI is far stronger
Dragon Fist would have drained his full power and ui omen goku is more durable which means it would be left standing with little power meanwhile xeno goku would fall from running out of energy @@WeatherxCalipha
@@reddragon100 nah man. This is CC goku. While yes, he essentially followed the main super timeline at one point, he's a part of the heroes continuity now. Which means broken as hell boosts in power. Current manga goku would be folded like origami by CC goku
I meant this version of CC Goku is post TOP.
CC goku post-
Granolah would be another level@@Charisonic_558
Honestly it makes sense. UI should be a power beyond even a hypothetical SSGSS4 as was shown here.
I surprised that Funimation has dubbed this yet and how sean schummel has reprise his role as the dubbed English of Goku yet.
I love xeno SSJ4 goku design.
The fact that SSJ 4 could hold his onw agaist the power of the angels is insane F blue
Well super’s Zeno
to say ssj4 is even above blue makes no sense logic wise, doesnt matter preferences, goku and vegeta did much better in blue, there is no comparison
and this is limit breaker ssj4 so, not really into the details but it should be stronger no?
@@yourdeadwrongthis is no just ssj4
It's ssj4 limit breaker.
Kind off like ssj4 with god ki
this is no just ssj4
It's ssj4 limit breaker.
Kind off like ssj4 with god ki
Imagine how strong SSJ 5 Limit Breaker Would be😳
Imagine how strong "MUI SSJ 5 Limit Breaker Kaioken 20x" Would be
@@mindosego5965 >>>>> Daishinkan
SSJGSSJ4 Limit Breaker Kaioken 20x
Can't wait till Goku uses kaioken with mui form
@@mattmc9812 Goku will die if he do this
I lowkey thought he would go ssj 5 lol
🤣 🤣 🤣
I hope sdbh make ssj5 lol imagine ssj5 xeno Goku (not af)
Af ssj5 is broken lol.
Limit breaker ssj 4 is basically super Saiyan 5 or the the closest thing to it.
@@Allenryan819I think it basically a ssjgss4 he has 10x limit breaker kamehameha which is an combination of exclusive moves from ssjg and ssj4
I think it’s funny if you think about it’s just a Nozawa is just talking to herself screaming
Good fight
0:31 goku realize another goku will use his technique 😂
Bro this shit is actually good
Doesnt feel canon from either side, but that's the creators of GT and the Super anime telling you how it goes down.
GT base form Goku would decimate Suppah Ultra Goku without trying
@@Firemarioflower rage bait used to be believable
1:42 was it edited
Bro what is this OST? It sounds so good
1:04 Was part of the fight skipped? Or was CC Goku enjoying fighting himself so much he ripped off his Gi & Shirt?
Yeah a part of the fight was skipped considering the episodes are so short. It still shows that SSJ4 Goku is on par with Super Goku in UI Omen
@EmitNen Still gotta remember that this is Xeno Goku in a form that's only able to keep up because of God Ki (Limit Break Ssj4). Xeno Goku is not only way more experienced and older than CC Goku, but has been stronger than the main series' Goku for YEARS. Ui -Sign- is such an unreasonably strong technique/form that it closes the gap between the two, even though the form can only get stronger from there.
Thank you, this has been my Ted Talk.
And at 1:49 goku's shirt comes back on!
This confirmed it, ultra instinct is more stronger than Ssj 4☺️☺️☺️☺️
I like how in heroes goku was able to master ui and use it whenver he wants
That happened in the manga to
0:29 This essentially tells the difference between the two forms. UI is about unparalleled speed while SSJ4 is about primitive unbound strength. UI Goku’s regular punches because lights speed attacks while SSJ4 Goku’s regular punches become heavy attacks. SSJ. 4 at the limit breaker stage is in it’s own domain but nothing surpasses the angel’s abilities which ultimately gets highlighted.
0:22 you got games on your phone 😂
Just a reminder that MUI is still a league of its own in transformations and Goku is the weakest user of it for now.
As a long time older dragon ball fan, I can accept the outcome of this fight.
Even though I have my bias in personally liking the GT characters over their Super counterparts, it’d be foolish to think that the writers, canon or not, would write a plot where DB Super Goku loses to a form of himself that came out nearly 30 years ago now. I’m satisfied and still view SSJ4 as my favorite form. Lol
Limit Breaker SSJ4 came out in 2020 meanwhile UI Omen in 2017.
Limit Breaker SSJ4 is newer form out of two of them
@@reddragon100limit breaker is just an addon like ssbkx20 or ssbe as an evolved state so essentially its still ssj4
Besides, Ascended State Goku is much, *much* stronger than SSJ4 and would demolish UI if this video is their comparison. So GT Goku still goes home with the secret W.
@@baval5 gotta love how the power scaling of GT is nearly just as broken as Super is, even by anime logic lol
@@joeykornegay4587 Thats Dragonball for you lol
Ssj 4 limit break is way stronger than SSGSS KAIOKEN
Probably not… since we see SSBE and SS4 Vegeta’s limit break fighting. So it’s probably just a case of Xeno Goku ssj4 Lb being stronger than say Vegeta’s????
it’s equal
Well it uses the power of great ape form so pretty is stronger then blue that's why I said if Goku n Vegeta had they tails they be far more stronger they more experienced is why Goku ssgs form was even strong enough to keep it
Well DUUUHHHHHHHH
SSJ4 can equally match in SSGB Kaioken
SS4 got so much power
Can i find this in aniwatch? Or is this fan made? Please reply 🙏
DB Heroes, not fanmade
"Super Dragonball Heroes". The anime, not the card game or the video game.
0:40 ooohhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeaaaahh💀
0:43 He still caught the punch
Battle of fandoms
Ss4 vs Ultra Instinct
Wait… HOW DID I MISS THIS!?
Because it's hereos and nobody watches that
@@Anonymous20242 ton of people watch it
@@Koodllez yeah but much less people were waiting for these than dbs2
@@Anonymous20242 this is what people watch while waiting for dbs2
@@Koodllez not everyone, most people read manga
Im a bigger fan of DBGT than DBS, but. Even i can admit Ultra instinct and MUI is cooler and far superior to SS4. Its not about power, its the ultra reflexes and precision that beats any other fighter. That being said I still love SS4 form its the only true “super saiyan” imo
UI has better concept and logic meanwhile SSJ4 has better design
Ssj4 is surely a very unique concept that stays true to it being solely saiyan, i can guve gt credit for that.
Of course Mastered Ultra Instinct is stronger anyone who disagress is delusional
MUI I thing is the final stage before becoming a angel
MUI and angel are so calm, not losing the energy , they can predict what will happen
Remember this is non canon lol. UI slaps regardless but iirc Xeno Goku scales waaaaaay higher than canon Goku comparing base to base
This is not Canon Goku fighting Xeno Goku this is CC Goku he's based off canon Goku but way stronger and has stronger feats than Xeno Goku.
Xeno Goku isn't really canon anyway.
Xeno Goku is not canon to main timeline and CC Goku is strongest Goku.
Xeno Goku used to be strongest 5 years ago but CC Goku overtook him
This is Canon y'all spread Myths
@@ashleybanks-wm4cg Not really. Heroes is anything and anyone in any situation you can think of. Canonically, people like Fu and Cumber don't really exist.
what episode was this cause i cant find it? and which super dragon ball heroes was this? was it in meteor mission?
Seriously look how much better ssj4 looks. Hate the grey and blue haired bullshit.
I fukin hate every transformation in super
Bro hit him with the cleanest slip jab
The ultimate evasion tsnk vs the ultimate dmg sponge tank
what episode is this?
Good training. ❤ both
Most powerful version of SSJ4, ever. Able to land hits on a UI Sign user and match it. Best display of SSJ4 in it's entire existence. Regular SSJ4 isnt nearly enough to pass the level of SSG or Blue (though it is definitely in the league somewhere) but this is very impressive even by those standards.
Completed UI is overkill tho
is this in dragonball super or a movie?
Ok don't care about power or bs but can someone acknowledge that was pure badass and smart when ssj4 goku grabbed ui goku by his tail like dude actually used tail as a weapon as well❤
For the GT fanbois, the transformation that Xeno Goku uses is "SSJ4 limit breaker"and not the normal SSJ4.
And for the GT Haters, it's still SSJ4.
@@Web720mixed with god ki and an asspull that couldn’t land a hit on omen, and ssj4 didn’t do much to blue
@@Web720 SSJ4 with God Ki.
@@itzzdelgado”couldn’t land a hit on omen”
UI Sign Goku had his clothes intact and the next, he is seen battle damaged with scratches implying that LBSS4 managed to damage him
If Xeno Goku had used Kaioken times 10 on top of his Limit Breaker form against UI Goku, would the results be different? I think LB Kaioken times 10 Xeno Goku would be stronger and faster than UI Goku, but no match for MUI.
A Saiyan with the power of gods vs the pure raw strength of the ultimate Saiyan, Super fanboys really underestimate how strong SSJ4 really is.
ssj4 is weak like ssjb
This is db heroes bruh everything dont make sense, but normal ssj4 and normal ssjb in NORMAL DRAGON BALL SERIES in term of POWER UP ssjb better
Super Saiyan 4 is weaker than the god forms. But Xeno Goku is stronger with base power level, Goku using Ultra Instinct to fight limit breaker ssj4 is pretty valid. But if Xeno Goku had the same base power level as CC Goku, he would lose to Super Saiyan Blue easy.
Ssj4 is hella strong, especially on Goku Xeno… but the ones you call DBS fanboys… are right. (If they say that the Super transformations are stronger, but I guess it just depends on training and experience)
I love both GT and Super, maybe more Super because I did not enjoy the first seasons of GT, loved the Baby saga and on.
lbssj4 is way stronger than blue
@@Guilherme_3000K
when dragon ball heroes 55 will release?
it’s to say when will release, not like my comment 😡😡
Ssj4 serious goku and mui goku both serious versions of goku fighting I love it
This was accurate AF
Me and that bro I hadn't met and probably never will meet vibing on sparking zero online.
1:46
UI being a step ahead of SSJ4 is how it should be like here 0:40.
If SSJB couldn’t touch Whis, SSJ4 should barely be able to hurt Goku.
I love how goku is like "motherf**ker i saw you from a mile away" 0:31
He can easily follow instant movements. Absolutely OP feat
It would be cool if they added more to DB Heroes.
SSJ5 Full Power Xeno Goku and TUI CC Goku.
And they fight and who would actually win?
doesn't this fight now make dbs goku a character that is 5D and above?
No, this is cc goku not super goku. Also xeno goku is the ssj4, not gt
@@socketyellow3 i know.... which is y i said dbs is 5d. if i was talking about gt goku then i would not have said this.
@@jdennis867 that’s not dBs goku tho, it’s cc goku. That’s what I meant, it a version of goku that would completely demolish Zeno in base like xeno can
@@jdennis867 capsule corp goku is essentially super’s xeno goku. Similar story, but base would murder everyone in dBs
@@socketyellow3 i know u told me this alrdy and that's my mistake but im saying that in my initial comment i wasn't talking about gt goku.
I know who cc goku is. it's just the anime make it seem like it's regular dbs goku.
Off-topic, but imagine Super Saiyajin 4 God? How strong would it be? Would it beat U.I?
I’ll do scaling like I normally do, using the anime’s.
Boo Saga:
Base Gokou - 1
S.S.3 Gokou, S.S.Grade.4 Gotenks, and Base Gotenks (trained) - 400
S.S.Grade.4 Gotenks (trained) - 20,000
S.S.Grade.5 (S.S.2) Gotenks - 40,000
S.S.3 Gotenks - 160,000
Ultimate Gohan - 240,000
Super Boo (Gotenks & Piccolo Jr absorbed) - 300,000
Super Boo (Three hybrids and Piccolo Jr absorbed) - 450,000
Base Vegetto - 360,000
S.S.Grade.4 Vegetto - 36,000,000
S.S.Grade.5 Vegetto - 72,000,000
S.S.3 Vegetto - 288,000,000
S.S.God is hypothetically twice the power, so 576,000,000, round it up to 580,000,000. Which is MASSIVE.
Super Saiyajin 4:
S.S.3 Gokou - 1
S.S.Grade.4 Bebi Vegeta (ranked Gokou’s punch) - 2
Super Bebi 1 - 4
Super Bebi 2 (the form that resembles Bebi) - 16
Revenge Death Ball - 32
Suppressed S.S.4 Gokou, wasn’t phased by the attack, and was said by Elder Kai to not have used a smidgen of his power, which I will say here may be not even 1% of his power, but I’ll say it’s 1% - 64
100% S.S.4 Gokou - 6,400
So Super Saiyajin 4 is x2,560,000 in total, but I’ll round it up to 2,600,000 cause I like clean numbers.
So x580,000,000 from Super Saiyajin God and x2,600,000 from Super Saiyajin 4 would make, x 1,508,000,000,000,000 which is MASSIVE number alone, and even as a power level alone. Super Saiyajin 4 God would be insane. But back to the question, would it be better than U.I or even Limit Breaker S.S.4?
Well, U.I is stronger than both S.S.Blue + King Kai Fist and S.S.4 fusions. So weirdly, probably no?
Honestly would’ve like if Zeno Gokou and Vegeta had S.S.4 God.
limit breaker is ssjg ssj4
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Not really, it’s still a mortal form.
@@azimuddin1890 then ssj4 god would still be a mortal form
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But then it would be a god form, it’s just a super powered up mortal form that’s been powered up by beings who were just as strong as them. Unlike before, Gokou in G.T was powered up two times by fighters far weaker than himself, so what happened in Heroes could be what I said.
Here’s the idea
S.S.4 (against Bebi) - 100
The Four Hybrid Saiyajins - 5
Full-Power S.S.4 - 500
S.S.4 (vs 1 Star Dragon) - 500
Three Hybrid Saiyajins - 5
Ultra Full-Power S.S.4 - 2,500
S.S.4 (against that Super Janemba- 2,500
S.S.Blue, God, and Pan - 2,500
Limit Breaker S.S.4 - 6,250,000
@@azimuddin1890 limit breaker ssj4 is ssgss for ssj4
That tail was really good... Wait... PAUSE
I’m guessing this means that Beast Gohan is stronger than Limit Breaker SSJ4.
No hay mejor rival para Goku que no sea otro Goku
So SDBH presented power scaling as :
SSB = SSJ4
UI OMEN = SSJ4 LB
MUI = (NOT unlocked)
GT fans are happy seeing GOAT form get some great scaling
If ssj4 could stand toe to toe with MUI like this, just imagine if ssj4 Goku had MUI. It would be a wrap 💯
Yeah it's ssj5😂
He stood toe to toe with ui omen goku, but got one shotted by mui💀
He did NOT outstand MUI, dude got one tapped
ssj4 limit breaker was having a tough battle with UI. As much I love ssj4, Xeno would need a higher base power level to beat a MUI Goku (in this battle they were equal).
0:43 it seems Hit’s time release
honestly i love dragon ball heroes it’s a whole ass what if anime that dosent effect the main canon and has random ass fights like this 💀
Ssj4 UI goku vs goku Ul who will win
Me and bro's first fight in sparking zero
0:41 GOT DAMN GOKU
0:43 UI Goku uses time alteration attacks
so in terms of straight power ui isnt beating ssj4 is what im getting??
i wish ssj4 was the strongest but unfortunately not😂 Let’s be honest ssj4 is still a lot of fans favorite transformation i mean it just looks so cool!
The SS4 is more logical in terms of transformation. Super Saiyan with mix of a monkey form.
That settles it. Goku would win.
Xeno goku ssj4 has probably the coolest design of all the dragon ball characters
BTW, everyone remember,,,,THIS is t canon! lol. Just like people say SSJ4 is t canon, so this video game story settles nothing.
Now imagine gogeta ss4 vs mui goku
Quizas tenga que ver que cuando el ssj4 se transforma hay una esfera de energia brillante que lo rodea , quizas eso tenga algo de magia dentro por eso algunos ataques aumentan la resistencia del ssj4
It’s kinda unfair it showing here it’s no match ssgod blue with kaioken vs limit breaker ssj4
Wait how does ssj4 goku’s clothes get repaired after transforming 😂
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Haha!!!!.
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Let’s not forget y’all Xeno Gokus base is stronger then Capsule corp Gokus base. LBSSJ4 is equal to UI omen but less powerful then MUI.
Dragon ball heroes should have a goku and goku fusion so they can remake ssj5. Ss4 with MUI just like the ultra Vegito series cross of MUI and UE.
glad toei and bandai took akira toriyamas word as well as GT/TOEI databooks to heart in heroes and made ssj4 and limit breaker exactly as stronger as they should be. people shit on gt power scaling all the time because its “not canon”(then neither is super considering akira had the same level of control/work put into both that being almost nothing besides character design) or because its older than super(just makes no sense as a reason) or that they lack god ki(again makes zero sense considering most of gokus toughest fights were against people without god ki meaning god ki is just ki with better control nothing else) whenever almost all of super was influenced by GT as per akiras wishes. literally EVERY god form we’ve seen besides ultra ego are directly influenced by ssj4. and i mean literally, the god ritual, healing, ultimate ki control(which is funny cuz u can be knocked out of blue but ssj4 90% of the time doesnt and has way better stamina), automatic movements(as you saw when gokus tail grabbed goku, and yes ssj4s have automovement), and then it has MORE than the god forms and acts just like ui/potential unleashed and that it doesnt even have a set multiplier. the guide books say its the ultimate saiyan power, a limit breaking achievement that even whis fears. older guidebooks before heroes and super say the exact same besides leaving Super characters out bcuz they didnt exist yet, and that it brings out every last bit of their latent power, multiplies it, and then gets stronger overtime. its literally EVERY DRAGON BALL FORM put into one and its awesome. toei also said in the databooks that goku never mastered super saiyan 4, meaning he had many more upgrades for it ready to be found. but, he then became Change/HOPE goku which is the literal strongest character in all of dragon ball. best overall form AND youre God himself? id like to see cc and xeno goku try lmfao
bro Toriyama had a huge part in the manga though
Imagine that super saiyan form reqch new level combine with god ki, super saiyan 4 with grey hair all over his body
Where's vegeta vs vegeta?
And vegeta vs vegeta ❤
I like to think the xeno variants are much stronger than the cc variants which is why ssj4 is as strong as god ki
In the manga base to ssj3 both gokus are even
Actually Goku SSJ4 got more potential than UI
someone should recreate this on sparking zero
If you thought ssj4 was goin beat ui then you obviously ain’t see the scan toriyama put out yrs ago when first introducing ui goku he said it was the strongest goku in history meaning he was obviously stronger than ssj4
Ssj5 would basically just be ssj4 + angelic powers/Ultra instinct, they would probably achieve it if they combined.
Power levels left the chat 💀👍
So in conclusion: SSB Goku is weaker than SS4 Goku.
Then, what will be the power of SSJ4 Gogeta!? 🤯
People saying ui goku and limit breaker goku was dead even let me jist express goku didn't go mastered ui until the end where he won in one blow so no they wasn't even lol
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What if they did a fusion?
I wonder how a serious goku (time patrol) never got Ui. He been across timelines and he never bother to try obtain it.
To be fair, his character was created waaaay before UI even exist as an concept. Maybe when anime reaches the part where Goku achieves UI in his SSJ forms, Heroes use it too.
Where is kamehameha x10 (red) of goku ssj4
Why xeno goku never use x10 kamehameha? Lmaoo they must have forgot that shit.