Fun fact about Synchronoise! It is learned by Umbreon, but due to it being a psychic move and only working if the opponent shares a type with the user it means Umbreon as a pure dark type can only use it on other dark types. This means the move does nothing as dark is immune to psychic. It is unusable.
Not useless, just a pain to make functional, if you have another pokemon use Miracle Eye, Synchronoise all of a sudden, actually does damage to Dark types
came here to post this. thought the intention was to give something to all pokemon who don't really have a well defined body in contrast to iron defense or harden or whatever so they could also raise their def, and on vaporeon it made it exceptionally hard to kill to a point that it was competitively viable. The distribution was indeed shite but it's one of the best moves on this list.
I watch way too much JRose and Scott’s Thoughts, so none of the Gen 1 moves were unknown to me 😂 But yes, Barrage is well known for being the move that you WANT to see from Executor.
I did learn somewhat recently that Nightmare actually was teched on to a number of things in Gen 2's 6v6 singles metagame. The reason is because Rest and Sleep Talk is so common there, Nightmare serves as a way to counter that strategy
yeah, stuff like jynx, gengar and misdreavus can use it, because they don't really have a way to deal damage to snorlax outside of nightmare, and Snorlax is objectively the best pokemon in GSC competitive, and is near mandatory on every team
@@AceAviations2 it's possible to make gimmick teams based around hard stall or baton pass without snorlax, but these aren't nearly as consistent as the standards
Fun fact: Captivate does see some niche use in VGC. The forces of nature (Landorus, Tornadus and Thundurus) are used very commonly. Their incarnate forms are used as special attackers, and their gender is fixed as Male. So, a female Whimsicott with Prankster can sometimes use Captivate to lower their SpA before they can move
You mean Smog. -70% accuracy -30 power (previously 20) -40% poison chance -Doubles the effectiveness of Smokescreen in contests if used first Learned by poison, ghost, and fire mons, always skipped by trainers.
Bestow had an extremely valuable niche in gen 7 for giving a wild mon a leppa berry in combination with skill swapping it harvest for an infinite sos chain. Very useful for shiny hunters
@@PokemonWoopoh yeah, it’s absolutely amazing in G7 where you can run an Alolan Exeggutor with Bestow and Skill Swap, you can gift a Pokemon a Leppa Berry and the ability Harvest… it’s perfect for infinite SOS battles… in fact I’d argue it’s a must have for anyone serious about SOS Chaining
Synchronoise is probably meant for damaging your own Pokémon in doubles. pain split, buff berries, endure, etc. Unless there's some other niche use-case I don't know.
Captivate was useful in vgc like 10 years ago. The “forces of nature” trio are exclusively male, so bringing a female pokemon with captivate was a great counter
7:08 Ice Ball was removed in SwSh and BDSP, but it was kept in Legends Arceus, with the Hisuian Qwilfish line now being added in the roster of mons that can use the move
Theres actually another instance of the plural being incorrectly done in the games! In Red/blue pewter city, theres a kid talking about the legends regarding Clefairy and they say something to the effect of "i heard Clefairies dance around on full moons" Also THANK YOU YOU ARE ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE IVE FOUND THAT USE THE PROPER PLURAL
I find Gen 1 Waterfall memorable because my strategy guide explicitly said it's a useful attack for Blastoise to use even though it was exclusive to the Goldeen line 🤪
17:50 Hey you forgot about Flower Shield's cousin: Rototiller It was also introduced in gen 6, it's a ground type move that raises the Atk and SpA of all grass types on the field
I believe that was the joke, cause of it's ghostly and magical iconography and qualities it's still just a common Fire Type move that has been both buffed in accuracy and nerfed recently because the entire Burn Status effect no longer damages as much or lowers the attack stat by cutting it in half. Burn used to deal one eighth of the afflicted Pokémon full HP and cut their attack stat in half. As of Gen 8 onwards it now only deals one tenth of the afflicted Pokémon's full HP and instead cuts their attack stat by a third. I believe it actually may have gotten nerfed another time in the transition from Gen 6 to Gen 7 but I'm unsure if this was it or if it's something I've missed. This information is still fairly new to me and I may well have still gotten a few things wrong here with my analysis. But hey, at least it's not Legends: Arceus Battle Mechanics right? Wait Legends Series now. . . . Oh boy. 😳💦
@@christiancinnabars1402 no, I very much read the whole thing and all the wrong points that were made like him saying burn ever did 1/10th of someone's hp or that burn halves your attack stat or that the person who made the video said the move was ghost type to be ironic.
Skull bash is a crazy choice; it’s been Pikachu’s side special in Smash Bros since Melee! It’s also pretty good in game; TM in gen 1, relatively high power, raises your defense by 1 stage on turn 1. Not bad by far. Synchronoise, weirdly enough, had a niche in Gen 8; its high base power meant some Psychic types could use it as a powerful nuke when Dynamaxed, as it loses its limiting factor. And Clamp is pretty common to see in Gen 1 OU, as Cloyster is a very good defensive mon.
Fun fact: When gen 9 arrived, Acid Armor actually escaped the fate of being forgotten, simply because of Tera Raid battles. Acid Armor/Stored Power Vaporeon is a very popular raid option.
Cool video! Here's some context / minor trivia from the competitive scene about a few of these moves: - Powder never saw play in mainline competitive formats, but in metagames that allowed hacked mons, it was a very solid option on Mega Scizor to deal with its only weakness, and was especially nasty in conjunction with Wonder Guard. - Detect was just recently used by Wolfe Glick on Yanmega to win a regional championship. With its overall frailty and the pace of VGC, its lower PP count doesn't matter, and it provides just a little bit of resilience against Imprison strategies. - Reflect Type is a viable option on Starmie and Mega Latias in Gen 6 OU because it's their best option against Dark-type Pursuit trappers like Tyranitar and Bisharp.
You really DID do your research. I've been catchin'' 'em all for 24 years, and even I hadn't heard of a couple of these. Also, 100% agreed on Synchronoise being the worst of all time. In the thousands of hours I've put into this franchise, I've literally never seen it actually hit me. Even when someone DOES use it, it literally always fails.
I love Acid Armor. If you can stack a couple of them, Vaporeon becomes nearly unkillable with Aqua Ring/Wish and Leftovers. I like Chilling Water and Icy Wind, but have been giving Muddy Water a try, not a fan of the lower accuracy, switching back to ol' reliable attack drop; good alternative to acid armor for a support Vapey.
Sky uppercut ...goat move...😗👌 i love signal beam for some reason....😄 I barely used pursuit i remember not liking it much...🤷🏻♂️ I never used aromatherapy for some reason 🤔
Well, i dont care about the recent games anyways. Your Pokes becoming bloated baloons or chandeliers on the heads of them, wtf. I feel like since they already used their best gimmick card with Mega evolutions, they re desperately coming up with all kind of nonesense just for the sake of having a gimmick.
33:06 Fire Lash is not the only instance of a Pokemon receiving a signature move in a generation after its introduction Mewtwo got Psystrike in Gen 5 Ariados got Toxic Thread in Gen 7 And there's probably other lesser known instances of that
I always felt like nightmare was intended to counter all those rest stall strategies even the AI tends to use on higher level trainers. It also seems like, thematically fitting for who learns it in that case. They don't __make you sleep__, but they make you have bad dreams or represent omens or are latent psychics and stuff like that. They are just abusing your defenseless mind while you thought it was a good idea to take a nap on the battlefield, 200+ def chad that you are :D It also counters old rest perfectly. 50% health for two sleep turns vs a quarter of life as damage over two turns.
They did add a new flying and a new ground type move in gen 9 with Headlong Rush and Bleakwind Storm. They came from Legends Arceus, but were playable in Scarlet/Violet for the first time in a main line game & in a competitive setting, to me that counts as gen 9.
On the smelling salts fact, Makuhita and Hariyama both learn STAB force palm which has a 30% chance to paralyze. If this move were fighting type and didn't cure paralysis then I could see it being like a fighting type version of venoshock. But why Game Freak wouldn't do that when they went out of their way to buff it 10bp a generation after venoshock I have no clue.
16:40 Captivate was actually used for a short period of time in Gen 5 OU on Sableye, where people would purposefully use Female Sableye to captivate Thundurus and Tornadus
Using Submission with Pikachu is how I beat Giovanni in Pokemon Yellow for the first time. Was a real roadblock considering I didn’t really understand team building at that point
I was that kid who seen all of those forgotten moves from Gen 1. It became nostalgic to see Waterfall Seaking again. I was one of those kids who leveled all the Gen 1 pokemon to 65 and Seaking was one of them who earns this move waterfall as it's signature move for Red Blue and Yellow version. Another move that is rare since Gen 1 is Crabhammer which can only be learned by Kingler and Krabby if you decide not to evolve it. I think this is Game Freaks way of rewarding players who raised underrated or unpopular pokemon that can learn a move that is very unique and rare to see. I did that again in Firey Red and Leaf Green and the final time with HeartGold and SoulSilver because I use to like seeing every unique move in the game. I was also the kid who managed to get Regiggas the old fashioned way. I used Emerald to catch the three regis, then ported them to Platinum and used the Endeavor Rattata to catch Regiggas. It was one of my personal favorite memories and a flex with my friends. I don't have the games anymore but I would do it all over again if I did. It's tedious, but it gave me something to do in the game.
The one move I found out about in a fanmade game was 'Snatch'. I was doing a Fairy monotype run on Pokemon Reborn and HAD to find a way to steal the opponent's Aurora Veil for myself. I've never heard anything about that move ever again
Snatch has a niche use on gimmick sets in Gen 3 OU to allow something like Houndoom to pressure Blissey and steal its softboiled. Honestly a great tech
I remember Inferno because I use it in Balanced Hackmons in Showdown. Actually, most of the useful but exclusive moves here, I know because of Balanced. I use Inferno on Dialga-O with Zap Cannon, Salt Cure, and Strength Sap with No Guard. Of course, Covert Cloak to make it Imposter-proof.
I think "useless" and redundant flavor moves are important, even if exceedingly rare. Plus with the ever expanding pokemon and move pool you never know when an old move will have it's day. I wish Gamefreak/TPC whatever would stop removing shit and bring it all back.
Conversion had his time to shine as a Z move so not only did it change type, it was also an omni boost so combined with adaptability's STAB it was like a better Tera from his time
On Showdown, I play Hackmons almost exclusively, so it's crazy that I was able to guess every one of these moves. In Hackmons, you have to think on your feet and know how best to make the most of every move.
Powder wasn't the only move that existed in gen 8's code that had no Pokémon to use it. There was also Dark Void where Darkrai wasn't usable in Galar. Similar story for Geomancy/Oblivion Wing/ and Zygarde's signature moves in gen 9 despite being completely absent.
No god damn way. I’ve been playing Pokémon not only my entire life ever since the original Red, but especially generation 5 which is probably the gen I spent the most time in after what must be a tie between gen 4 and 6. Never in my life have I ever heard of Reflect Type and I had the gos damn guide book and swear at several points browses the moves section at the back. I was doing so well knowing every move in the video up until that point 😂😭😂
8:23 Remember being evil AF, making a Gengar with dream eater, hypnosis, nightmare, and shadow ball, then had a Gardevoir setup the same just with psychic from XD gale. I had quite a few link cables ripped out back in the day 😂
33:08 Fire Lash is definitely not the only time a pokemon has gotten a signature move in a later generation. Mewtwo got Psystrike in Gen 5; Spinarak and Ariados got Toxic Thread in Gen 7 (which you also mention earlier in the video); Slowking got Chilly Reception in Gen 9; Girafarig, Dunsparce, Qwilfish, and Wyrdeer all got moves corresponding to their new evolutions; Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf got Mystical Power; Cresselia got Lunar Blessing; Phione and Manaphy got Take Heart; and Zygarde got Thousand Arrows, Thousand Waves, AND Core Enforcer
I'm someone who catched the roaming beasts with an Ariados. Not just that, my Entei was a shiny 😁 I always played (and still do) using Pokémon I like, not caring about anything else 😂 not always easy but tons of fun
I'm officially trying to figure out strats with ion deluge now. Pair it with a lightning rod/motor drive / volt absorb pokemon to eat someones attack? Electrivire and zebstrika both even have one of those abilities and that move; so you can absolutely make it work. You can even electrify status moves so I think you could use this to like; eat a roar or a swagger or a normal status move that people might use in a double battle. I'm sure one exists. Electrify a boomburst or an explosion or something; and be protected from it - like using earthquake with a flying type ally. I would argue this is like 3 times as useful as flower guard. 3 times almost nothing is still almost nothing; but I could have seen past me making a team around it to troll my friends.
You could totally let Toxtricity use electric Boomburst with an electric immune mon; probably not worth the effort with ground types everywhere but could be fun!
Gamefreak's top tier game design: Step 1: Make a non STAB, 70 base power attack for Hariyama with an extra effect for a status that it is barely capable of inflicting. Step 2: ??? Step 3: Profit.
I watched wrestling in the late 90's (We all did back then) and I always thought submission was an OHKO move. Also Horsea can get octozooka as an egg move, at least in HG/SS.
About Skull Bash. You forgot its flying-type cibling Sky Attack. Sky Attack might not be a forgotten move as you'll most likely see it in action in the Champion fight in Gen 1 but that thing is so garbage. Essentially Skull Bash with a typing.
For Fire lash, it’s also the pseudo signature move for Salazzle. They even get it as soon as they evolve from Salandit. But Salazzle has a very obvious preference for Special Attack builds since its special attack is nearly double its attack stat. So it can’t even use the attack optimally despite it being their pseudo signature move.
I remember Grudge because it was an absolute pain in the ass in Mystery Dungeon. Imagine a floor full of ghost Pokémon coming at you through the walls, and if you knock one out, you can't use one of your moves anymore. And you only have 8 attack moves max between you and your partner for most of the game (though of course you likely won't use all slots for attack moves as well).
Wrap, fire spin, whirlpool etc do actually get some Niche competitive use throughout the gens, mainly if you need to keep someone from swapping out for one reason or another, usually to build up something like toxic damage or to set up on them
What's funny is that it's a lot of these moves specifically that I've come to actually know in some cases more as time has gone on and have actually come to either love or despise. And that's because of one particular Spin Off game. But not even a mainline one, as in not even on any official video game console. What could possibly teach me so many of these moves like Synchronoise of all things. Pokémon Go. I kid you not, a _LOT_ of these most forgettable and forgotten and abandoned moves _actually_ have *gained* notoriety and actually because they are STILL insanely rare, almost all of them being Limited Time Event Exclusive. But it's not even for a mainline series game or one for a Nintendo device. It's for a Mobile game on a smart phone that while still being fairly popular has long since surpassed it's peak popularity and will actually eventually one day have it's service and servers shut down and discontinued just like with Pokémon Bank. Only this is an entire game, even now with its own Competitive Tournament Play format in official video game tournaments. And eventually when that day arrives, everything gained from it will be lost forever. Including the first and only time these moves just as incredibly rare and unseen as always, were finally useful and in some cases *_Absolutely BUSTED!_* All because they tend to actually share another unofficial category of moves not even being event exclusive to certain Pokémon species caught or evolved during these events. It's that the battle system itself is simply tapping the screen repeatedly in different ways and these moves all tend to be either both really fast to charge up power to use and often the ONLY moves of their corresponding Type to do so, or have a very useful secondary stat change effect like sharply boosting your own offense or even guaranteed to lower your opponents Defenses by multiple stages. Synchronoise is one of them. Being an event exclusive move to Gardevoir and Gallade. And they are absolutely a pain to go up against but a huge boone if you are able to use them properly. Just as long as you were there for these events AND the Pokémon that knows them actually has remotely useable stats. Being literally anything other then 0/3 stars in Attack, Defense, and Speed. But it's thanks solely to Pokémon Go that anyone, myself included, knows these otherwise lost forever moves.
The only instance i'd seen of ion deluxe was a guy who ran it with a volt absorb lanturn and a alolan golem with sturdy instead of galvanize, and a normal gem boosted explosion
The fact that there were only 2 rock type attacks in gen 1, proves how solid "ROCK SLIDE" is [pun intended] from it's inception until today. The premier rock attack with a flinch chance. It was always a great move learned by lots of my favorite mons. Earthquake is still the best ground move as well. Gen 1 has the best everything to me.
Playing through Black at the moment and my Munna was going to learn Synchronoise. I had completely forgotten about it but was totally baffled when I read the description. In what world would anyone need a move like that lmao
Well, Ion Deluge might be a way of healing a Pokemon with Volt Absorb, specifically the Lanturn line since they're the only line that gets both Volt Absorb and Ion Deluge, if it's low on health it could potentially use it to heal. Conversely, if you have a ground-type out with the Pokemon that has Ion Deluge, you could use it to protect said ground-type. Idk those are the first two things that pop into my mind when I think about it. Honestly the move sounds more like something a troll might use than anything.
53:27 there's actually a video from a guy who used an Exeggutor with Bestow and a PP-recovery berry, along with Harvest and Recycle, to prevent a legendary he was shiny hunting from knocking themselves out by Struggle recoil
Stupid Ion Deluge doubles strat (if the move still existed): Volt Absorb Lanturn uses Ion Deluge, teammate Regieleki uses Explosion (which it pretty much always carries due to a shallow movepool). Explosion gets a STAB boost and Lanturn is not only protected from the Explosion but almost definitely gets HP fully restored.
Feeling like an absolute nerd because I've used so many of the moves that you say are forgotten just out of like sheer curiosity when I was a kid like clamp is a terrible move but like I really wanted to make Cloister work. Asset armor was the feature move of Vaporeon back in the day in the anime Like it would just show up and do asset armor for no reason.
There's a lot of moves that I know about. Acid Armor being unable to be used is crazy because it was like a Signature of Vaporeon, Also I remember the Animation for Submission, and how a Nidoking and Nidoqueen used it together in the Anime, spinning together to make Team Rocket blast off. Because its name is Hell Wheel or something like that. Spiderweb! Loved that move, was very cool.... too bad it's pretty useless and I got rid of it immediately on my Ariados back in the day because as a kid if it didn't do damage a move was worthless to me, lol.
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Fun fact about Synchronoise! It is learned by Umbreon, but due to it being a psychic move and only working if the opponent shares a type with the user it means Umbreon as a pure dark type can only use it on other dark types. This means the move does nothing as dark is immune to psychic. It is unusable.
That is too funny
Not useless, just a pain to make functional, if you have another pokemon use Miracle Eye, Synchronoise all of a sudden, actually does damage to Dark types
@@brendanboomhour7606thats a lot of setup for a terrible move lol
Adding Acid Armour as a forgotten move is fucking crazy
Thanks to a certain copypasta…
That's Vaporeon's Signature move.
came here to post this.
thought the intention was to give something to all pokemon who don't really have a well defined body in contrast to iron defense or harden or whatever so they could also raise their def, and on vaporeon it made it exceptionally hard to kill to a point that it was competitively viable.
The distribution was indeed shite but it's one of the best moves on this list.
@@kalosianporygon not signature, Muk gets it as well and has since Gen 1
@@jordanmurray410muk the og, vaporeon is for the kids
Some moves were purely made for contests in gen 3-4. At least I think so. Always look at both tables to see what they do.
Most people who played Gen 1 should remember Barrage becaue it was one if only 3 moves the Rival's Executor had.
I watch way too much JRose and Scott’s Thoughts, so none of the Gen 1 moves were unknown to me 😂
But yes, Barrage is well known for being the move that you WANT to see from Executor.
Ahh okay, I always pick Charmander and usually just roast Egxecutor before he acts lol I had no idea.
I did learn somewhat recently that Nightmare actually was teched on to a number of things in Gen 2's 6v6 singles metagame. The reason is because Rest and Sleep Talk is so common there, Nightmare serves as a way to counter that strategy
Ah, that makes sense
yeah, stuff like jynx, gengar and misdreavus can use it, because they don't really have a way to deal damage to snorlax outside of nightmare, and Snorlax is objectively the best pokemon in GSC competitive, and is near mandatory on every team
@@cofikoza6971 correction; *is* mandatory on every OU or Uber team, not near mandatory.
@@AceAviations2 it's possible to make gimmick teams based around hard stall or baton pass without snorlax, but these aren't nearly as consistent as the standards
actually every move can be forgotten. except for HM moves, those require the move deleter
Fun fact: Captivate does see some niche use in VGC. The forces of nature (Landorus, Tornadus and Thundurus) are used very commonly. Their incarnate forms are used as special attackers, and their gender is fixed as Male. So, a female Whimsicott with Prankster can sometimes use Captivate to lower their SpA before they can move
Captivate is pretty good in gen 4 contests. It's Beauty type, stops voltage drops and is still worth 2.
10:56 RIP Rolling Kick, forgotten in even the forgotten move compilation.
It was listed around the 23 minute mark.
My point was Woop forgot to include it before it was referred to in the video.
You mean Smog.
-70% accuracy
-30 power (previously 20)
-40% poison chance
-Doubles the effectiveness of Smokescreen in contests if used first
Learned by poison, ghost, and fire mons, always skipped by trainers.
Bestow had an extremely valuable niche in gen 7 for giving a wild mon a leppa berry in combination with skill swapping it harvest for an infinite sos chain.
Very useful for shiny hunters
Quite an interesting use!
@@PokemonWoopoh yeah, it’s absolutely amazing in G7 where you can run an Alolan Exeggutor with Bestow and Skill Swap, you can gift a Pokemon a Leppa Berry and the ability Harvest… it’s perfect for infinite SOS battles… in fact I’d argue it’s a must have for anyone serious about SOS Chaining
Still doing this to this day!
what's even worse about Synchronoise is that Umbreon can learn it, and since he's a Dark-type...its _even MORE_ useless to use
Probably the one time Miracle Eye would actually be useful, just to use a godawful move
They knew synchronoise umbreon would be too OP...
Synchronoise is probably meant for damaging your own Pokémon in doubles. pain split, buff berries, endure, etc.
Unless there's some other niche use-case I don't know.
Captivate was useful in vgc like 10 years ago. The “forces of nature” trio are exclusively male, so bringing a female pokemon with captivate was a great counter
7:08 Ice Ball was removed in SwSh and BDSP, but it was kept in Legends Arceus, with the Hisuian Qwilfish line now being added in the roster of mons that can use the move
I used it on hisuian electrode to beat Volo's giratina
Theres actually another instance of the plural being incorrectly done in the games! In Red/blue pewter city, theres a kid talking about the legends regarding Clefairy and they say something to the effect of "i heard Clefairies dance around on full moons"
Also THANK YOU YOU ARE ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE IVE FOUND THAT USE THE PROPER PLURAL
I find Gen 1 Waterfall memorable because my strategy guide explicitly said it's a useful attack for Blastoise to use even though it was exclusive to the Goldeen line 🤪
We all love those old unofficial guides filled with errors
17:50 Hey you forgot about Flower Shield's cousin: Rototiller
It was also introduced in gen 6, it's a ground type move that raises the Atk and SpA of all grass types on the field
Ah yes, my favorite ghost move, will o wisp.
I believe that was the joke, cause of it's ghostly and magical iconography and qualities it's still just a common Fire Type move that has been both buffed in accuracy and nerfed recently because the entire Burn Status effect no longer damages as much or lowers the attack stat by cutting it in half. Burn used to deal one eighth of the afflicted Pokémon full HP and cut their attack stat in half. As of Gen 8 onwards it now only deals one tenth of the afflicted Pokémon's full HP and instead cuts their attack stat by a third. I believe it actually may have gotten nerfed another time in the transition from Gen 6 to Gen 7 but I'm unsure if this was it or if it's something I've missed. This information is still fairly new to me and I may well have still gotten a few things wrong here with my analysis. But hey, at least it's not Legends: Arceus Battle Mechanics right?
Wait
Legends Series now.
. . .
Oh boy. 😳💦
@tylertichoc7330 bro has a degree in yapology.
@Mrdonjuliothewicked Bro prides himself on an inability to read.
Yeah, super old error I had lol. Not sure why I thought it was ghost type
@@christiancinnabars1402 no, I very much read the whole thing and all the wrong points that were made like him saying burn ever did 1/10th of someone's hp or that burn halves your attack stat or that the person who made the video said the move was ghost type to be ironic.
Skull bash is a crazy choice; it’s been Pikachu’s side special in Smash Bros since Melee! It’s also pretty good in game; TM in gen 1, relatively high power, raises your defense by 1 stage on turn 1. Not bad by far.
Synchronoise, weirdly enough, had a niche in Gen 8; its high base power meant some Psychic types could use it as a powerful nuke when Dynamaxed, as it loses its limiting factor.
And Clamp is pretty common to see in Gen 1 OU, as Cloyster is a very good defensive mon.
Fun fact: When gen 9 arrived, Acid Armor actually escaped the fate of being forgotten, simply because of Tera Raid battles. Acid Armor/Stored Power Vaporeon is a very popular raid option.
Cool video! Here's some context / minor trivia from the competitive scene about a few of these moves:
- Powder never saw play in mainline competitive formats, but in metagames that allowed hacked mons, it was a very solid option on Mega Scizor to deal with its only weakness, and was especially nasty in conjunction with Wonder Guard.
- Detect was just recently used by Wolfe Glick on Yanmega to win a regional championship. With its overall frailty and the pace of VGC, its lower PP count doesn't matter, and it provides just a little bit of resilience against Imprison strategies.
- Reflect Type is a viable option on Starmie and Mega Latias in Gen 6 OU because it's their best option against Dark-type Pursuit trappers like Tyranitar and Bisharp.
Interesting! It's cool how people can come up with the most niche uses for any move
I used Reflect Type Starmie to 1v1 Mega Charizard Y and waste an extra turn of sun as their Solarbeam bounced off my new Fire/Flying type lmao
You really DID do your research. I've been catchin'' 'em all for 24 years, and even I hadn't heard of a couple of these.
Also, 100% agreed on Synchronoise being the worst of all time. In the thousands of hours I've put into this franchise, I've literally never seen it actually hit me. Even when someone DOES use it, it literally always fails.
I remember acid armor because of the anime. We meet all the eeveelutions and the dude has his vaporeon use it and it disappeared into the water.
I love Acid Armor. If you can stack a couple of them, Vaporeon becomes nearly unkillable with Aqua Ring/Wish and Leftovers.
I like Chilling Water and Icy Wind, but have been giving Muddy Water a try, not a fan of the lower accuracy, switching back to ol' reliable attack drop; good alternative to acid armor for a support Vapey.
I expected a couple moves... but like 50?!?! You didnt forget these, you never knew them
Can’t believe they removed Pursuit, Signal Beam, Sky Uppercut and Aromatherapy from the game. Rip.
Sky uppercut ...goat move...😗👌
i love signal beam for some reason....😄
I barely used pursuit i remember not liking it much...🤷🏻♂️
I never used aromatherapy for some reason 🤔
@@cmbaz1140 pursuit was widely used in competitive and was missed
@@cmbaz1140signal beam was amazing coverage for my Porygon and my Ampharos
Well, i dont care about the recent games anyways. Your Pokes becoming bloated baloons or chandeliers on the heads of them, wtf. I feel like since they already used their best gimmick card with Mega evolutions, they re desperately coming up with all kind of nonesense just for the sake of having a gimmick.
@@ManuR-l4m true...
33:06 Fire Lash is not the only instance of a Pokemon receiving a signature move in a generation after its introduction
Mewtwo got Psystrike in Gen 5
Ariados got Toxic Thread in Gen 7
And there's probably other lesser known instances of that
"most forgettable moves"
"Acid Armor"
... Has this man never seen the vaporeon memes?
🤫
I always felt like nightmare was intended to counter all those rest stall strategies even the AI tends to use on higher level trainers. It also seems like, thematically fitting for who learns it in that case. They don't __make you sleep__, but they make you have bad dreams or represent omens or are latent psychics and stuff like that. They are just abusing your defenseless mind while you thought it was a good idea to take a nap on the battlefield, 200+ def chad that you are :D
It also counters old rest perfectly. 50% health for two sleep turns vs a quarter of life as damage over two turns.
If you think about it, clamp got replaced with whirlpool
They did add a new flying and a new ground type move in gen 9 with Headlong Rush and Bleakwind Storm. They came from Legends Arceus, but were playable in Scarlet/Violet for the first time in a main line game & in a competitive setting, to me that counts as gen 9.
On the smelling salts fact, Makuhita and Hariyama both learn STAB force palm which has a 30% chance to paralyze. If this move were fighting type and didn't cure paralysis then I could see it being like a fighting type version of venoshock. But why Game Freak wouldn't do that when they went out of their way to buff it 10bp a generation after venoshock I have no clue.
love the fact that your videos are beyond a piece of art, theyre like therapy
16:40 Captivate was actually used for a short period of time in Gen 5 OU on Sableye, where people would purposefully use Female Sableye to captivate Thundurus and Tornadus
Interesting how people can come up with the most niche uses for anything
Yes, that was me back in 2007. I grinded for the Regis and played tf outta Emerald and Pearl. I'm kinda proud looking back at it
Using Submission with Pikachu is how I beat Giovanni in Pokemon Yellow for the first time. Was a real roadblock considering I didn’t really understand team building at that point
Honestly Synchonoise might only work with Kecleon since color change allows it to change type so maybe it can work but that's still very situational
Mist is such a forgotten move it didn't even make the list.
Also hold hands lmfao
I was that kid who seen all of those forgotten moves from Gen 1. It became nostalgic to see Waterfall Seaking again. I was one of those kids who leveled all the Gen 1 pokemon to 65 and Seaking was one of them who earns this move waterfall as it's signature move for Red Blue and Yellow version. Another move that is rare since Gen 1 is Crabhammer which can only be learned by Kingler and Krabby if you decide not to evolve it. I think this is Game Freaks way of rewarding players who raised underrated or unpopular pokemon that can learn a move that is very unique and rare to see. I did that again in Firey Red and Leaf Green and the final time with HeartGold and SoulSilver because I use to like seeing every unique move in the game. I was also the kid who managed to get Regiggas the old fashioned way. I used Emerald to catch the three regis, then ported them to Platinum and used the Endeavor Rattata to catch Regiggas. It was one of my personal favorite memories and a flex with my friends. I don't have the games anymore but I would do it all over again if I did. It's tedious, but it gave me something to do in the game.
The one move I found out about in a fanmade game was 'Snatch'. I was doing a Fairy monotype run on Pokemon Reborn and HAD to find a way to steal the opponent's Aurora Veil for myself. I've never heard anything about that move ever again
Snatch has a niche use on gimmick sets in Gen 3 OU to allow something like Houndoom to pressure Blissey and steal its softboiled. Honestly a great tech
inferno seems really similar to dynamic punch. and if dynamic punch can get a no guard user in machamp, I hope inferno can get one too.
I remember Inferno because I use it in Balanced Hackmons in Showdown. Actually, most of the useful but exclusive moves here, I know because of Balanced. I use Inferno on Dialga-O with Zap Cannon, Salt Cure, and Strength Sap with No Guard. Of course, Covert Cloak to make it Imposter-proof.
I didn't know Skull Bash was a forgotten move. I guess not many picked Squirtle as their starter.
I've definitely seen triple kick more than Ive seen mega kick, given that this is the first Ive heard of mega kick
Awesome video. I didn't know about a large amount of these. Shame such cool moves were often removed.
I think "useless" and redundant flavor moves are important, even if exceedingly rare. Plus with the ever expanding pokemon and move pool you never know when an old move will have it's day. I wish Gamefreak/TPC whatever would stop removing shit and bring it all back.
Most of these moves I was unaware about were from gen 5 onwards lol.
Conversion had his time to shine as a Z move so not only did it change type, it was also an omni boost so combined with adaptability's STAB it was like a better Tera from his time
I for sure thought Clamp had 100 % or at least 90 % accuracy
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Groudon Kyogre and Rayquaza all received signature moves in gen 6 while being gen 3 pokemon, so therefore, there's more than one instance
also toxic thread, which he literally talked about 😭
Technically speaking Zygarde as well, since it could not legitimately get Thousand Arrows and Thousand Waves until Gen 7.
I use to use Razor Wind in Yellow when I was 6, the name sounds cool and in Gen I you can't really see what the move does
Darkri: Hypnosis -> Nightmare -> Dream Eater or Shadow Ball -> *Repeat until awake* ----|
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On Showdown, I play Hackmons almost exclusively, so it's crazy that I was able to guess every one of these moves. In Hackmons, you have to think on your feet and know how best to make the most of every move.
Wonder guard + AV Cosmoem setup peak
Powder wasn't the only move that existed in gen 8's code that had no Pokémon to use it. There was also Dark Void where Darkrai wasn't usable in Galar. Similar story for Geomancy/Oblivion Wing/ and Zygarde's signature moves in gen 9 despite being completely absent.
No god damn way. I’ve been playing Pokémon not only my entire life ever since the original Red, but especially generation 5 which is probably the gen I spent the most time in after what must be a tie between gen 4 and 6. Never in my life have I ever heard of Reflect Type and I had the gos damn guide book and swear at several points browses the moves section at the back. I was doing so well knowing every move in the video up until that point 😂😭😂
Excuse you, I ran ghost teams almost exclusively and nightmare was always used. Was really good till sleep status got nerfed.
Game Freak can do the funniest thing, by creating a Ground and Flying-type moves for Legends ZA, meaning G6 will get betrayed by a Kalos game.
52:49 that kid is me! I did it! I still have my Regigas on my original copy of platinum on my original dsi
I must question Acid Armor. Camouflage exists, you know?
8:23 Remember being evil AF, making a Gengar with dream eater, hypnosis, nightmare, and shadow ball, then had a Gardevoir setup the same just with psychic from XD gale. I had quite a few link cables ripped out back in the day 😂
'enjoy falling asleep' my man knows he reads his audience bedtime stories and I appreciate that
Isn't "Light that Burns the Sky" the longest name?
Did you forget Constrict or not include it for a specific reason?
I thought I had you with Kinesis, but you caught it! You present this information well.
I actually forgot about Telekenesis
Conversion is useful when you consider that porygon z gets adaptability.
38:45 I think of Shadow Punch.
i was playing x today and hariyama used smelling salts and i was so confused lol
One last Pokemon video before I go to bed.
Just a quick little video
The first time I ever saw Clamp used was in a playthrough of 3DS Yellow, and was used by LORELEI
I only know of a super obscure move in gen 4. And that is embargo.
I got really back into pokemon in gen 6, and I remember getting those event Pokemon with Hold Hands, Hold Back, etc. I still have them to this day :)
33:08 Fire Lash is definitely not the only time a pokemon has gotten a signature move in a later generation. Mewtwo got Psystrike in Gen 5; Spinarak and Ariados got Toxic Thread in Gen 7 (which you also mention earlier in the video); Slowking got Chilly Reception in Gen 9; Girafarig, Dunsparce, Qwilfish, and Wyrdeer all got moves corresponding to their new evolutions; Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf got Mystical Power; Cresselia got Lunar Blessing; Phione and Manaphy got Take Heart; and Zygarde got Thousand Arrows, Thousand Waves, AND Core Enforcer
I'd give egg bomb to every baby pokemon. Almost like they are throwing their own egg at the opponent lol
I'm someone who catched the roaming beasts with an Ariados. Not just that, my Entei was a shiny 😁 I always played (and still do) using Pokémon I like, not caring about anything else 😂 not always easy but tons of fun
If only you could trade a pokemon early to midgame for a spheal. Like a swellow or something. Maybe a Tropius.
I'm officially trying to figure out strats with ion deluge now.
Pair it with a lightning rod/motor drive / volt absorb pokemon to eat someones attack? Electrivire and zebstrika both even have one of those abilities and that move; so you can absolutely make it work. You can even electrify status moves so I think you could use this to like; eat a roar or a swagger or a normal status move that people might use in a double battle. I'm sure one exists.
Electrify a boomburst or an explosion or something; and be protected from it - like using earthquake with a flying type ally.
I would argue this is like 3 times as useful as flower guard. 3 times almost nothing is still almost nothing; but I could have seen past me making a team around it to troll my friends.
You could totally let Toxtricity use electric Boomburst with an electric immune mon; probably not worth the effort with ground types everywhere but could be fun!
Hold hands, celebrate, & happy hour are the most forgotten
Z Celebrate and happy hour were at least used on gimmick sets in gen 7. That's more than a lot of other moves can say lol
I love the music you use in your videos.
Gamefreak's top tier game design:
Step 1: Make a non STAB, 70 base power attack for Hariyama with an extra effect for a status that it is barely capable of inflicting.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit.
I watched wrestling in the late 90's (We all did back then) and I always thought submission was an OHKO move. Also Horsea can get octozooka as an egg move, at least in HG/SS.
About Skull Bash. You forgot its flying-type cibling Sky Attack. Sky Attack might not be a forgotten move as you'll most likely see it in action in the Champion fight in Gen 1 but that thing is so garbage. Essentially Skull Bash with a typing.
lol nightmare... if its gotta be slept might as well just have dream eater (was this even in gen2 btw? i cant recall lol)
Ice Ball was my fav move, always caught a Spheal for it! It looks freaking sick as an animation at the end
For Fire lash, it’s also the pseudo signature move for Salazzle. They even get it as soon as they evolve from Salandit. But Salazzle has a very obvious preference for Special Attack builds since its special attack is nearly double its attack stat. So it can’t even use the attack optimally despite it being their pseudo signature move.
I always remember fire lash due to Centiskorch getting it, and having an actual physical attack stat to use the move too.
39:00 well, I thought of *Spite* , which is like grudge-lite and also very forgettable if not for heavy use by npcs in gen 2
I wonder if nightmare was useable in gen 2... there was a lot of rest going on. Competetively anyway.
It is a niche set choice on stuff like Misdreavus or even Starmie to dunk on Restlax, not terribly common, but it's a thing
You forgot to add “the movie” because it’s definitely a quality series too
Bro knew I was putting this on when I was about to go to sleep. Get out of my head.
trust me i know acid armor exists and i know vaporean can learn it
I have used acid armor competitively on vaporeon, years ago when I played competitively.
I remember Grudge because it was an absolute pain in the ass in Mystery Dungeon. Imagine a floor full of ghost Pokémon coming at you through the walls, and if you knock one out, you can't use one of your moves anymore. And you only have 8 attack moves max between you and your partner for most of the game (though of course you likely won't use all slots for attack moves as well).
Wrap, fire spin, whirlpool etc do actually get some Niche competitive use throughout the gens, mainly if you need to keep someone from swapping out for one reason or another, usually to build up something like toxic damage or to set up on them
What's funny is that it's a lot of these moves specifically that I've come to actually know in some cases more as time has gone on and have actually come to either love or despise.
And that's because of one particular Spin Off game. But not even a mainline one, as in not even on any official video game console.
What could possibly teach me so many of these moves like Synchronoise of all things.
Pokémon Go.
I kid you not, a _LOT_ of these most forgettable and forgotten and abandoned moves _actually_ have *gained* notoriety and actually because they are STILL insanely rare, almost all of them being Limited Time Event Exclusive. But it's not even for a mainline series game or one for a Nintendo device. It's for a Mobile game on a smart phone that while still being fairly popular has long since surpassed it's peak popularity and will actually eventually one day have it's service and servers shut down and discontinued just like with Pokémon Bank. Only this is an entire game, even now with its own Competitive Tournament Play format in official video game tournaments. And eventually when that day arrives, everything gained from it will be lost forever. Including the first and only time these moves just as incredibly rare and unseen as always, were finally useful and in some cases *_Absolutely BUSTED!_*
All because they tend to actually share another unofficial category of moves not even being event exclusive to certain Pokémon species caught or evolved during these events. It's that the battle system itself is simply tapping the screen repeatedly in different ways and these moves all tend to be either both really fast to charge up power to use and often the ONLY moves of their corresponding Type to do so, or have a very useful secondary stat change effect like sharply boosting your own offense or even guaranteed to lower your opponents Defenses by multiple stages.
Synchronoise is one of them. Being an event exclusive move to Gardevoir and Gallade. And they are absolutely a pain to go up against but a huge boone if you are able to use them properly. Just as long as you were there for these events AND the Pokémon that knows them actually has remotely useable stats. Being literally anything other then 0/3 stars in Attack, Defense, and Speed.
But it's thanks solely to Pokémon Go that anyone, myself included, knows these otherwise lost forever moves.
I'm convinced you recorded this video's commentary with the lights off and a flashlight pointing up at your head like STOP BEING SO OMINOUS
how'd you know
@@PokemonWoop"another move that will never be used... EVER" like seriously cmon
The only instance i'd seen of ion deluxe was a guy who ran it with a volt absorb lanturn and a alolan golem with sturdy instead of galvanize, and a normal gem boosted explosion
The fact that there were only 2 rock type attacks in gen 1, proves how solid "ROCK SLIDE" is [pun intended] from it's inception until today. The premier rock attack with a flinch chance. It was always a great move learned by lots of my favorite mons. Earthquake is still the best ground move as well. Gen 1 has the best everything to me.
Playing through Black at the moment and my Munna was going to learn Synchronoise. I had completely forgotten about it but was totally baffled when I read the description. In what world would anyone need a move like that lmao
Camouflage was so well hidden it wasn't even spoken of here.
Well, Ion Deluge might be a way of healing a Pokemon with Volt Absorb, specifically the Lanturn line since they're the only line that gets both Volt Absorb and Ion Deluge, if it's low on health it could potentially use it to heal. Conversely, if you have a ground-type out with the Pokemon that has Ion Deluge, you could use it to protect said ground-type. Idk those are the first two things that pop into my mind when I think about it. Honestly the move sounds more like something a troll might use than anything.
53:27 there's actually a video from a guy who used an Exeggutor with Bestow and a PP-recovery berry, along with Harvest and Recycle, to prevent a legendary he was shiny hunting from knocking themselves out by Struggle recoil
Make a video of all the good moves Gamefreak removed in Gen 8 and onward.
Stupid Ion Deluge doubles strat (if the move still existed): Volt Absorb Lanturn uses Ion Deluge, teammate Regieleki uses Explosion (which it pretty much always carries due to a shallow movepool). Explosion gets a STAB boost and Lanturn is not only protected from the Explosion but almost definitely gets HP fully restored.
Feeling like an absolute nerd because I've used so many of the moves that you say are forgotten just out of like sheer curiosity when I was a kid like clamp is a terrible move but like I really wanted to make Cloister work.
Asset armor was the feature move of Vaporeon back in the day in the anime Like it would just show up and do asset armor for no reason.
There's a lot of moves that I know about. Acid Armor being unable to be used is crazy because it was like a Signature of Vaporeon, Also I remember the Animation for Submission, and how a Nidoking and Nidoqueen used it together in the Anime, spinning together to make Team Rocket blast off. Because its name is Hell Wheel or something like that. Spiderweb! Loved that move, was very cool.... too bad it's pretty useless and I got rid of it immediately on my Ariados back in the day because as a kid if it didn't do damage a move was worthless to me, lol.