UPDATE EDIT: I’m dumb, the channel does still exist, I thought the names were just coincidence, my bad: ua-cam.com/users/FlamePillow Twitter: twitter.com/Gearisko Instagram: instagram.com/Gearisko My Second Channel: ua-cam.com/channels/tUyST-e34_Ej8qZvXw-m5Q.html Imaginedom Archives: ua-cam.com/play/PLTwR_wUk38CwZ6XvXHkYqj8W3yqun0DAP.html archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Imaginedom%22 Songs Used: Pokémon R/B/Y - Pokémon Tower Theme (Slowed): ua-cam.com/video/nuGFAEGl_TA/v-deo.html Yume 2kki - Nocturnal Grove: ua-cam.com/video/LETbEisd7VU/v-deo.html Yume Nikki - The Docks (Slowed): ua-cam.com/video/ECU_iGMCYqU/v-deo.html Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - Shadow Temple: ua-cam.com/video/skn-ic3KV10/v-deo.html Yume Nikki - Sky Garden (Slowed): ua-cam.com/video/rfLGmCEeyVo/v-deo.html Yume 2kki - Mirror Room Beach (Slowed): ua-cam.com/video/mXiI9goVVu0/v-deo.html Pokémon B/W2 - N’s Room Theme: ua-cam.com/video/nmZ5pSjeQVc/v-deo.html Earthbound - Cave of the Past/The Place (Slowed): ua-cam.com/video/IEkPEWFK3Bs/v-deo.html Earthbound - Snowman (Slowed): ua-cam.com/video/PHl5IJDf6qo/v-deo.html Yume Nikki - Barracks Settlement (Slowed): ua-cam.com/video/oF9dCE5zY_E/v-deo.html Myuu - Disintegrating: ua-cam.com/video/piFJVwr1YY/v-deo.html Final Fantasy VII - Who Are You?: ua-cam.com/video/E7wVwu4lkn0/v-deo.html
Imaginedom rebranded their channel after attaining a new perspective on life which can be found here. m.ua-cam.com/channels/GzwKs5Ntu_Epnhh6or6Rag.html?cbrd=1
The children's drawing episode really made me upset. And it reminded me of the saying. Every child deserves a parent. But not all parents deserve a child. Even though it was a short video, I felt bad.
I wanna ask god after I died that why he created angel if he can do anything and why creature on earth have to sacrifice an another in order to survive and why is the hell created if god is a merciful and why he won't show up on earth with lights in the sky or I can't ask him if I go to hell
Even though this channel is still on UA-cam, the user got help after suffering from depression, which is why the terrifying videos we discovered were on here. He's moved on and became a much happier person as a whole, now doing animation and art. It's quite beautiful of an arc, though we'll always remember these for both disturbing yet fascinating us about how mysterious Imaginedom was since the start.
This Channel feels like looking inside the mind of a broken person, it was unsettling to me but looking at the comments and learning of how they improved calms me down a lot. I am so happy for them getting out of their cyclical mindset and recovering.
I heard a lot of anti religious who are overly cynical and nihilistic people on the Internet reading their existential comments and I also think about what their said but never to the point its consuming my mind that causes deppresion since I'm mentally stable compare to them. Yeah I'm getting a bit where their coming from but that ain't converting me into an atheist or just anti religious in general. The old Imaginedom may can give questions and food for thoughts but reminder their words can be also not a healthy mindset since it feeds on too much negativity so much so you gonna end up ignoring the positive sides that may prevent you seeking for happiness.
@@dyasoon He didn’t make hell for that reason he made it for satan you choose to go to hell he doesn’t make you go there we give people signs and they don’t take it we as Christians should try harder to help those in need
I relate to this channel a lot. I see the world as a cruel place with bad people. Yes people can be good but we're all bad people one way or another. The part about people with talent and no talent hit me the hardest though. I'm a person with autism and ever since I was a kid I've had trouble with many things, academics, socializing and other habits of life. I'm 17 now and going into senior year. People have talents and things they are good at taking those talents to universities. All I'm good at is drawing and art. I can't go to any art universities because they are either too far away or cost too much. I honestly don't know what I will be able to accomplish at all in my life. I had dreams as a kid. But now it feels like they have been crushed in a way. I'm going to end this here since I wanted to get my thoughts out in a way.
Ey, you okay with me talking about my things? I'm autistic, just turned 15 yesterday, I like to draw characters and write lore and worldbuilding. Sure many colleges are expensive, but maybe there are some places that can give you a job with a portfolio or along those lines. Just coming from someone who wants to be an animator Sorry for ramble, tried to be a bit positive
You obviously need a ton of talent but you can defenetly live of art without having to go to art school, at least in the internet, it's pretty hard as I've said but it's possible
Keep your head high king. I’m a fellow person with autism (Asperger’s if you wanna be specific) and I know exactly how you feel. The world is a rough place and yeah, the future is definitely gonna be difficult. But if you remain a kind person and try to be the best person you can be, I’m sure that you will be fine in the end
I’ve never heard of this channel before, but everything that he brought up resonated deeply with me. Weirdly enough, I’ve come to many of the same conclusions Imagiondome has without ever hearing about the channel. The truth is, everything in life comes from selfishness in some way, even compassion comes from the need to build units for one’s own safety. Our morality systems are latent with double standards and surface level assumptions. For example, I am going to tell you a story a substitute teacher once told my class. There was a man who was down on his luck. He was addicted to heroin and his girlfriend had recently broken up with him. This man didn’t have a future, or at least a satisfactory one. Seeing no other way out, he drove his car off of a bridge. However, he survived and first responders were called. He was rushed to the hospital, where he recovered from the wreck. Then, the hospital charged him a bill he obviously could not pay for. Now, if you’re like me you could see how the hospital did nothing to help this man. In fact, instead of solving a single problem he was facing, they just prevented him from getting out of the mess he was in while adding a shit ton of financial debt to his list of issues. These doctors saved him because it’s their jobs to do so. Yes, they didn’t know his situation, but if they had would it have made any difference? There is a large enough stigma around suicide that most people don’t even care where these people are coming from. They get the idea that these people need to be saved, but they don’t think twice about how to save them. People can’t bare the guilt of someone associated with them committing suicide, so they do everything in their power to keep them alive. Even if it ultimately comes at the expense of the suicidal person.
Statistics have shown that most people that have survived suicide have actually eventually been grateful for being saved, maybe not all but it's fair to say that it's better to save them because even if they don't want to be saved they can eventually attempt it again with better plans, but if they are successful at first there's no return to life...
@@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043 it’s because the people who aren’t greatful just kill themselves again. Survivorship bias and cherry-picking fallacy once more
@@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043 That makes sense, but by forcing this man to pay for a hospital trip he never even officially consented to, doesn’t that just give him another problem to work out without solving any of his current problems?
@@yawbyss981 True, but its true that in the us theres people who donate and help others who cant pay their treatment, but maybe it aint enough, who knows, i guess it is very wrong to save someone if at the end of the day youre doing it for money, so iguess i agree on that one But if the story went in a way where someone else ad saved him i think thats good
Oh poor baby got a doctor bill. Give me a break, he can still finish the job if he so chooses. Nobody is actually stopping him. Put another pound of heroin in his veins, grab a shotgun and swallow it... It's nobody's fault but his own he can't even off himself correctly.
"If you feel disgusted, then you are a good person, but do not cower in fear! Use these videos as motivation to help others around you, be it human or animal" I have to admit it's annoying the fact that a lot of ignorant people just went blindly attacking his videos when he just did what no one else would, he made thought provoking questions that actually had a lot of sense, he wanted to show the world the reality a lot of people blatantly denies or ignores for the sake of being selfishly happy, he also seems to be one of the most influential sources that exposed how abusive and trash is the flag system on UA-cam On this point on time where i've been feeling lost in life, after watching this "documentary" about IMAGEDOM i do, indeed, feel motivated to be a better person and help others around me, hope the guy is doing well, he's a legend
As horrifying as these videos are, when you look beyond the scary imagery and messages, it actually has good intentions behind it. I think the creator is try to say that we as people should stop asking for god or a messiah to help those who are suffering, but rather try to help them ourselves. Also I would choose B. If they resent me for saving 100 people they’re clearly shouldn’t be a “loved one” in my book
Christianity IS helping people suffering and those who are in need, it's us the human christian that help others people, God help us to give us energy to keep going Sharing love with people. I'm not catholic but évangélist
@@bucksorel6805 You do have a point, there’s many cases where religion can help people through some rough things.But at the same time, we can’t leave all of our problems to a deity only spoken of yet never seen. Whether or not god is real, we can’t expect them to do all the work. We’ve been given the skill of problem solving for a reason, whether by god or by nature, or even both. The only thing we must do is put it to good use
@@Anonymous-73 exactly well said bro, that's what I tell my mom lol. Believing hard only help me to put myself Into good and helping/listening to others.
@@bucksorel6805 actually theres a lot of homophobic right wing propaganda in your community and some other stupid discrimination Too some of you try to force people to be christian if it helps so much then why do people commit suicide and still have depression in the community it has not helped people that much all it did was made people believe in stuff that isn’t proven just some bullshit written in a book to make profits
@@Anonymous-73 I’m assuming you’re athiest and I’m glad athiests like you exist explaining why you don’t believe in religion without disrespecting the people who do. Although I personally find it impossible for an afterlife to NOT exist I do respect atheists like you.
@@marko9695 yeah man my parents did some awful things to me as a kid and i still deal with the trauma. its essentially made me a socially awkward recluse because i didnt get the good childhood most people need to develop healthy social skills. any little thing a parent does impacts a kid forever and thats such a huge responsibility
As someone still recovering from deep religious trauma, this channel was oddly cathartic. So many people wonder why younger generations are leaving the church after the way they treat them at their formitive years. It's no wonder so many ex-christians have such a bleak outlook.
If life really IS meaningless, is that not the ultimate form of freedom, though? I mean, if there's no definite endgoal you have to work towards, your life is yours to do with as you wish.
I remember the video talking about how parents should have liscences to raise kids scaring the fuck out of me as a kid. But as for the videos and the creator themselves, this channel really illustrates how damaging this form of thinking can be, and the fact that the creator has since then recovered from what was clearly some form of depression is proof of this. Always remember that this cycnical way of thinking will do nothing but hurt you, and that the world isn't as cruel as you think it is.
This is a dog eat dog world, bringing a child in this hellhole is extremelly selfish. There is only suffering here, you will spend most of your life working just to stay alive, and after 60 years, you'll be old and ill because you had to overwork your entire life. And for what? You didnt even made 1% of the fortune of the elite.
I do kind of agree with them on more checking on whether parents are fit to raise a kid or not, like the same way pet owners have to be checked if they’re fit to raise an animal. You’re caring for a living thing, I feel like it should be made sure the person is capable of that.
@@POBBLEBONK0.0 my problem w this is it can dip into eugenics territory and classism, as more often than not poor ppl are blamed for “bad” upbringings when in reality it has a lot to do with good education and resources (food, shelter, water) easily and readily available. its really hard to pinpoint what a good parent is when you live in a society that has doomed you from the start
My point of view on nihilism is this: if everything is pointless, if there's no point to life but we keep living anyway, we may as well work to make others happy and ourselves happy, and minimize the amount of suffering in life as much as we can, y'know? If we're only here for a little while and there's no greater purpose, then why NOT spend our lives trying to make things better for ourselves and others around us? Like yeah, we can get depressed and lose hope, but like. Why not try to make things a little bit better for everyone suffering through life instead of just giving up and not doing anything? We're here anyway, we may as well do SOMETHING good with the time we have and give comfort and joy to people that they might not get from anywhere else. It's not like it's hard to do little things to make someone else feel better-- listen when they need to talk about something, get excited with people when they're excited for something no matter how small and pointless it is, smile at people, do little random acts of kindness, hold the door for someone or compliment someone's shirt or just. SOMETHING. Every little action you do affects someone else in this world. Why not choose to make those effects be positive and help lessen the amount of suffering in the world rather than just giving up because that suffering exists in the first place?
I agree a lot with you, if you know that your existence is pointless, why keep suffering? Why keep feeling bad? This will change nothing, its better to enjoy that uselessness, to enjoy the time we have, even if we can't change the world, keep suffering only hurts, being happy, doing good things, in a small scale, can change something, so why not just enjoy? Enjoying and being good will reduce the badness, more good person will counter more bad person, its balance, don't let the bad dominate, because it only will let you more sour, like a cycle
@Danny Mohamed Because why not? What else is there to do? There's no reason NOT to help others. And you should do things that make you personally happy as well. If there's no point to anything, then there is literally no reason to not try to make the time we have a little less miserable while we're stuck in it, y'know?
@Danny Mohamed I mean, the end might not matter, but if the end doesn't matter then the present matters HUGELY, right? So if you're already in a mindset of "nothing matters in the end," you should focus on improving the present, since that's all you have.
@Danny Mohamed oh I'm not advocating thinking everything is pointless! I'm just saying what I think is the most helpful and healthy way to frame it if you DO have that mindset already. Like, what I'm saying is that instead of thinking "nothing matters I shouldn't bother doing anything," it would be a lot healthier to think "nothing matters so why not have a good time and help others have a good time while they're here," yknow? If the present is all we have, we should make it the best it can be for ourselves and those around us. Besides, why should we need the threat of consequence? You should still be a good person whether you think you'll get in trouble for it or not. If your morality is based entirely around being good because if you don't you'll suffer in some afterlife, that isn't really YOUR morality and it isn't really all that moral in the first place, you know? You should be a good person for the sake of it, not to get yourself a happy ending.
@Danny Mohamed Well yeah, but you can and should have morality without it being based totally on "oh I have to be good to get the Good Ending," if that makes sense? You should want to be good and moral because it's... the right thing to do, not because if you don't, you'll be punished. You should be moral and kind whether you think there's a big cosmic reason to or not, that's what I'm saying! Because there's literally no reason NOT to be moral. It makes life better and easier for everyone, imo, yourself included! And oh not at all, I'm enjoying the chat!
I'm super glad he got the help he needed. It legit gives me hope. While I understand the meaning behind the videos and even agree with them. I can tell he was in a dark dark place.
I remember watching Imaginedom but now everybody I myself included felt a bit glad that their alright and starting to do art instead. I assumed Flame Pillow's mindset had changed and I think they doesn't have the same philosophy as before because their old videos are unlisted or deleted. My theory is Imaginedom had associated with bad religious experience and I remember that they also stated they moved from a country or place where the abuse and trauma came from.
The thing that’s interesting about imaginedom is that it wasn’t some arg made for fun. It was a real channel made by a person who genuinely had those thoughts at one point. As the 3rd to last video suggests, it seems they are doing better and now have a more hopeful outlook on life. Which is always a good thing.
His channel is still up, but the name has been changed to “FlamePillow Imaginedom”. He has 4 animation videos and he still has some older videos on there. He said that his life got better and I’m really glad to hear that.
I resonate completely with everything in these videos, up until 18:35 which just feels like a complete 180 from what I'm thinking. This person obviously had a way worse life than I have so far but still, this is the first that I've seen someone else say shit I've been thinking for a long while, especially the stuff about god actively torturing people. "haha you didn't believe in me so now you will suffer and burn in the flames of hell for all eternity" how the fuck is that fair by any stretch of the imagination.
I don't believe in Hell for that reason. I believe in Purgatory: You suffer for awhile, burn, live in pain, but you're not there forever. God is merciful, he would likely punish you for not believing or being bad, but not for an eternity. He'd bring you to Heaven eventually, in my belief.
If God is the perfect being, Hell is the perfect punishment, so by very definition only those who belong in Hell go there. People who say you don't agree with my literal interpretation of the bible so you're going to Hell are as bad as the reddit atheist. If they say that just say something like "only God can judge me to Hell, so what makes you worthy to judge the sum of my entire being?"
I looked deeply into this when I was younger, and I am still interested in it. I wish better archiving had happened for the videos but it's glad to see people are still talking about this!
I feel much the same way as the creator of Imaginedom actually, having been called slow in elementary school, laughed at for farting in class even though it's a natural body function, people laughing at my emotions quite literally EVERYWHERE I feel as if nothing in the world matters and NOBODY is worth saving as humanity NEVER changes no matter how hard they try or how much they claim to have changed, humans are so multi-faced that they could be loving one minute and then pissed as fuck at you the next.
Same here. I was bullied lots as a kid and was always thought as the "weird kid". I couldn't like or enjoy a single thing without kids laughing at me because said interest was "cringe".
Kids at school are vicious. In the society we live in, this kind of savagery is encouraged, especially towards anyone who is somehow Different. Rest assured that, despite how prevalent you have had them in your lives, you have only encountered a minority of human personalities. Most people are kind. It's just that kind people aren't very noticeable, either, until they do something so kind you can't ignore it.
Here's something I want you to think about-- and I'm someone who also suffers from chronic, severe depression and anxiety, so this isn't some rando saying this out of nowhere. There are other people out there like you. I'm one of them. There are a LOT of us out here who are suffering, who struggle to find purpose. So what I'm gonna suggest to you here is what I myself have decided: why don't we, instead of giving up, try to make things a little bit less painful for those of us who have suffered so much? Offering comfort to someone in our position can be as simple as just listening to them talk when no one else will, or offering solidarity. We are suffering, but that doesn't mean that we always will be, and that we always have to be. We can take it into our own hands and do whatever little things we get the chance to do to care for each other, if no one else will care for us. Like yeah, the world sucks. People are shitty and awful, and a lot of us have been hurt and continue to be hurt. But that's why I think we should stand together and work to try and ease the suffering of others rather than give up. It doesn't have to be full-on epic saving someone else's life; just offering whatever little comfort or happiness you can to another person who is hurting can mean everything. It might be pointless in the long run, sure, but to that person, you could mean everything. I used to say when I worked as a cashier that I always smiled at people who came in, no matter how grumpy they looked, because you never know-- you might be the only smile that person sees that whole week. You don't have to save the world, you don't have to save another person-- just be kind and patient with those who are also hurting, and that alone is worth so much.
@@vodkasvoice so the constant everyday of going through it is NOT important? seriously the fact that people always find a reason makes it even worse day in day out some ego filled brat finds some way to insult me
"insanity" reminds me of the beginning quote of the horror in clay by H.P Lovecraft "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age."
i love this animator so much and I told him about the rumors and all and he felt very sadden that everyone believed on those such horrific rumors. I then told him I didn't and was thankful he is doing alright and seeked help. I was also waiting for them to upload something since it was years. Ngl I'm happy they're doing alright and I wish to continue chatting with him here but sadly they removed the chat option and well. I'm just glad they're alright and happy.
I can see why someone would think they're just cringe and edgy but. Yknow I used to feel like that a lot, not anymore though. Apparently they're doing better these days and I'm quite happy for em
About the first video you presented, those are not souls banished to/from hell, the screams are a woman’s cry on a police call, she got murdered that night by a stranger who’s been stalking around her house. The murderer was never caught. You can still find the phone call everywhere on UA-cam, but it’s absolutely disturbing.
I feel like a lot of peoples warped and cynical view of Christianity stems from the warped and cynical actions of those who worship god. Many are hateful, many hurt others, and they never ask for forgiveness for either for they think they did no wrong. Many misinterpreted the bible of purpose, many use it and god himself as an excuse for their actions. I'm not surprised a channel like this exists, I am far from disapproving of it, I do think that the beliefs presented in it are too bleak to be entirely accurate to reality.
While I definitely agree that the actions of less than ideal Christians do effect the view on religion. I also think that some people are more prone to fixating on negatives. For example someone looking at the crucifixion of Jesus and saying “see how horrible God is? He killed his son!” But not looking at the fact that it was a show of God choosing humanity over himself. I am Catholic so I do have a bias towards religion, but I do think that some people look for problems to justify their views without looking for reasons or solutions
@@owenzon8863 I think God is shown best as a symbol of hope for people who need guidance. The values associated with God such as kindness and forgiveness are great things to teach to everyone, but there is an equal amount of people that twist the words of the bible to benefit their own prejudice. In addition, institutionalized religion exploits their position and more often than not strays away from their initial purpose. Christianity for me should be a value system that can guide individuals to be better people. But the often shallow parts of christianity take precedence and people use it to justify their flawed views. Like everything else in life, its better to take it in moderation.
@@owenzon8863 Exactly, the death of Christ Himself symbolises the inevitability of suffering: how God puts his own son through some of the worst pain in existence while still loving him. Highlighting how suffering is the price of existence.
@@owenzon8863 People who think that have no actual idea of what they're talking about in the first place lmao God IS Jesus in the first place. Do they not understand the Bible 101? The Father = The Son = The Holy Dove, this is the basics for basically anyone who bothered to read the Bible(and this is coming from a Catholic). God is sacrificing His Son as much as He is sacrificing HIMSELF for OUR sake
I used to be traumatized by the Jesus video and was also scared of the creator. But reading the comments and hearing that they made these videos because of their trauma and subsequent depression made me feel bad for them. It’s good to know they were able to recover and move on.
As someone who is Catholic, I will say something about 5:17. In general, we are not supposed to assume that someone is going to heaven or hell, that is what God decides, not us. So to answer the question, we cannot think that said person got what they deserved since that is not our assumption. Not sure if that makes sense because i'm not good at explanation lol.
There is nobody in Hell right now except for Satan. The only people in Heaven right now are the saints. Every other soul is waiting patiently for judgement, and those that are suffering some form of torment while in Purgatory can still be prayed for and possibly saved through prayer and celebrating Mass for them.
As a Muslim pov: God forgives people, however there are certain people (aka actions) That will NOT be forgiven, like "Shirk" which is believing in God yet praying to a statue as a connection to God Heck even some muslims will go to hell for years And maybe, and hopefully, non muslims if they have been doing good deeds, god forgives them So in the end, people shouldn't decide who goes to hell or heaven, it's not our discussion
The only disdain I feel about this whole thing is towards the people who are adamant in getting him banned Deeply religious people can be so self-centred and close-minded.
I may be a Christian, but I always like to see other's perspectives. And Imaginedom had an extremely interesting outtake on religion, so it frustrates me that others would rally against him
@@guydude439 I'm a Christian too, and I want Imaginedom to be there, that's his freedom of speech. He can use it whatever he want. But in my opinion, his take is edgy af, like "what if I just hate everything then question why hating is exist" type of take
you forgot to mention the "a mistake called life" video the premises was that he questions why we save people that already want to die, or would forever be suffering after being "saved". he puts in a video of a man who shot himself in the head with a shotgun but didn't succeed and was alive while the doctors around him discuss how to proceed, all heavily distorted ofc but you could still see what was going on. then he states that we only save each other for our own moral superiority, then shows a video of a man who had just had his lower half ripped off by a truck, again heavily distorted. it ends with imaginedom questioning why we save the weak and those who will forever suffer and the video ends
He is right someone with a disability contributes nothing in society if they don't overcome it or don't find a place to go to they should just let the beat stop
Found myself horribly shocked by this video. I remember seeing some of these videos long, long ago. I won't get too far into it, but I undoubtedly suffer through mental trauma on account of childhood abuse, and many of the philosophies behind these videos are constant thoughts that seemingly inhibit my ability to function to the degree of others. The idea that all life energy besides the absorption of sunlight is derived in suffering, as well as that we're then supposed to be judged based on behaviors that were predestined or known by an eternal entity that has invented not only an arbitrary ruling of law that only allows suffering that is deemed acceptable by groups that love to cause suffering is like a torturous poison that I can never be rid. I have talked very respectfully with some of my most adamant Christian friends, and I never have found a viable solution to the state of the world. That even grass should experience some measure of expressing distress and reason to warn other members of its kind tells me all I need to know about any divine entity - that they should make suffering the innate quality of life over joy or beauty. It undoubtedly involves a level of empathy for the devil, but nothing like satanism. An identification against God's unjust definitions of love based on fear, united only against the suffering of the individual over higher purpose and adoration for humanity just for existing as it does. So far as my eyes and ears concern themselves, I feel surrounded by pain justified by bizarre trivialities that I'm consistently told I'm "overthinking," when I feel as though I've offered any given thought with the same immediate process that feels natural and logical. However, I often feel very lonely in my mind, and like I have no way to express my thoughts unless to be shut down again for doing things, "incorrectly." I don't find it optimal or positive at all. It's a sort of empathic thinking that only targets the extreme. I spend a great amount of time overcoming these thoughts and making attempts at finding ways to distract myself from this premise. It's very relatable and satisfying to know that I'm not alone in this struggle. I have always wished I could save people, and the many answers offered to the questions of life have, rather than satisfied, made me much more deeply upset with the nature of being. I'm very appreciative that there are a great many Christians who work toward positive causes, but nothing ever rubs me right about God's demand for fear.
I think that fearing God is a sort of metaphor to keep a healthy respect for the forces of nature, and the like, thus it keeps people from pursuing harmful things and keeps them grounded. At least that's how I interpret it without the imposing monumentality of christianity. Suffering is a pervasive aspect in arguably all religions, and what comes after suffering is I think what's important than to fixate on suffering itself.
@@orangeman3220 thank you so much for engaging with my comment! There is nothing I like more than perspectives offered and genuine care taken to share human experience. I am always looking to see which angles I have overlooked, or further, things that need to be thought about. We are not perfect, and so frequently we fall victim too deeply into our most reactionary emotions. It's important to me that people respond so insightfully like this. To begin, I think that metaphor is always the best way to reflect on it. However, its manifestation, particularly throughout the old testament, and by those primary loud group of Christians who represent the religion's greatest pursuit of power decide that there is no metaphor to be taken, leads this, "fear of God," to represent something far darker for me, as it is in the case of stories like Job. Where others who believe in the benefits of the word of the Bible, but differentiate that while it illustrates the truth of God, it's metaphor all the same, they will find this wonderful and honorable truth to live by, without any conflicts that could lead them to endanger others, whether human, animal, or plant. In the book of Job, as I previously mentioned, Job's non-adherence to God's word is not corrected by mere failure or by his own actions, but instead, Job is scolded directly by God. There is no lesson that God explains. The only takeaway is to obey God or his wrath will destroy you before any ill side effects on earth will. It leaves no room for Job, as a person, to find that growth will come naturally from failure. A deviation from God, as Christ had composed it, would lead you down a path where the inevitability of your deviation from the word would lead you to learn. God does not see failure as the agent that teaches, and this is where I find his fear demands something cruel, dangerous, and thoughtless. It's why I think that corporal punishment is so intertwined with the bible. God illustrates that to those below you, there is no need to explain, and your decision does not need to be one that is sensible or logical. All you need to do is decide that you are correct, and flexing your guns is how you keep your sheep in line, if not torturing them. In a similar regard, I consider how many times in the Old Testament God uses his power as a means of inducing vengeance and fear. Such a case can be observed in the story of Samson, where rather than offer the people of Israel a prophet of love and/or diplomacy who could lead the people to find ground with great wisdom to find peace with the Philistines that leads them, too, toward God, he massacres them. He lays waste to them in ways so absurd they could be considered comical. To even acknowledge this within God's intent is to acknowledge that God finds it appropriate to massacre any mortal he plans already to make suffer eternally, if the word of the New Testament is to be considered the true follow-up to the collection of books in the Old. War is not something to be toyed with lightly. There is no doubt that of those thousand men massacred with a donkey's jawbone, hundreds of them perhaps had no reason to fight but to protect what they love. In this context, it weighs the pursuit of spiritual goal from outside of God as worthy of endangering everyone and everything you love, as well as making you worthy of brutal slaughter, followed by eternal punishment. A god who asks me to fear him by providing him power through such a means is clearly one that cannot morally govern a human being to do more than to truly fear, and that through this blind fear, any and all slaughter is acceptable. Therefore, to submit any part of this text to not be metaphor opens the door to an absurd amount of horror that demands submission or torture. It's very cruel, in that regard. I do believe ultimately that the word of Jesus was one that illustrates how to live free of pain, but the concept of God on the other side is where the true existential dread remains. Now for the discussion of suffering, I 200% agree! I see that the goal of every religion is to find a comfortable aversion to suffering. In my case, to deal with the thoughts composed of suffering and to know what the feeling of those thoughts are like has always been a great trouble. The greatest religious text I've found that philosophically works with that of suffering is in the Bhagavad Gita. Of course, chances are that this strength remains on the part that it comes from the context of an epic poem, and in that light, offers its entirety to be considered lesson and metaphor. The problem that I have with God's easing for real life suffering is that it encourages fully a life of fear from imperfection. Where the Bhagavad Gita focuses on how the attempt to achieve perfection can eternally bring you closer and closer to your goal, without the fear of death's judgment, God offers life as a game that can only end in your full and complete submission to him, lest you be tortured for eternity by his own whims. Hell is not any way to treat those you love, and it's undoubtedly no way to make the most stubborn submit to offering you love. Of course, it seems not to be the goal, more or less functioning as true, eternal retributive vengeance for your audacity not to bow and worship God, despite any evil he commits. Suffering, further, as a truth, is hard to chew on when you consider that all that everything is composed of was supposedly designed intelligently by God. This means every bit of agony, suffering, and death that any creature feels is by his own design. If that were not enough, he has given us, evidently not exclusively, as humans, the ability to perceive things that make us feel positively, and can go as far as to illustrate images of beauty beyond our wildest dreams could have indicated before. To design a system that constantly forces consciousnesses to pursue the elimination of others, always marked with something's agony, suffering, and/or death, illustrates a deity more cruel than merciful. Further, how many of these life forms have a soul? Is life itself not the very essence of the soul? Past descriptions of only human beings maintaining such a force brings even more questions into mind when we see personality and expressions of love expressed by so many animals. Are these just mere projections of the soul from the human mind onto these creatures? There's no telling why we feel this empathy for non-human creatures. However, if we're to interpret them as all uniquely holding souls, how can we feel confident in their constant massacre? Where vegetarians offer a solution in straying from creatures that are easy to empathize with and that scream, what do we say about plants? Does grass have a soul? Does its emission of the smell it leaves after being cut, intending to reach other blades of grass and offer something of a distress call or warning, prove desire? Is it just a simple chemical process, or is that ability for it to suffer the nature of the soul? If suffering is the nature of the soul without solace found outside of it, then what can be said of God? Why is it that each system he proposes is composed entirely of suffering? It can never rub me the right way no matter what angle it's interpreted. With all due respect, however, I do find that many passages in the bible offer great solutions that make life feel much more wonderful for millions of people, but it always begs the question of why any caring being would construct such a place for his "children," in which they cannot even imagine a structure existing that interests them enough outside of some eternal factor of suffering. It seems all too cruel, and ironically immature and extreme of an eternally wise, shapeless, omnipotent being.
@@orangeman3220as a fellow Christian. I do notice how some types of Christianity and other religions try to make God come off like a vengeful entity ready to strike down on you if you mess up. in my own personal beliefs and beliefs based on my parents, specifically my mom who is a passionate Christian, I believe that God is supposed to be this father figure who is supposed to watch over you. and yes, maybe you will face tough challenges and you will ask God why this is happening, but certain things do happen for a reason. and it might sound really cliche to say that but i think that’s just how life is in general. in school, in relationships, at work, we face obstacles and we wonder how come things aren’t so easy? but perhaps we are supposed to learn something more about ourselves that God is trying to show us without coming down here and telling us himself. i don’t know any of you so maybe this belief of mine is something close-minded. but regardless whether you believe in God or not, as long as you’re a good person I respect that and I respect what everyone believes in too. but that’s just my thoughts about the whole God is a fearful man. I totally get why those types of thoughts exist.
The part where Imaginedom said that people who aren’t contributing enough or aren’t talented enough should off themselves is pretty ableist. But they likely used to think that way because of their own insecurities and upbringing. I’m autistic and I’ve had depressive episodes, so I often struggle to feel like I’m good enough. Like Imaginedom, I wonder why people can be so cruel to each other. I wish respecting others was the norm in the world.
This video gave me a panic attack, holy shit my mind is exploding from a thousand thoughts about my very own existence and a million more questions about everything
If the words “what the fuck” was a UA-cam channel. But I’m really glad that their whole perspective on live has been changed and that they’ve received help for their depression. I think a huge reason why so many people view life and existence as cruel and horrible, is because THEIR lives are like that but once taken out of those circumstances, their whole perspective will change forever. And that’s the greatest way to save anyone.
I personally have known and currently know the guy y'all know as FlamePillow or Imaginedom. It's a funny story because they used to be a very... Particular individual. We used to meet eye tyo eye in our commentaries about how disturbing the world outside was... It was surreal that one day, he disappeared without a trace and stopped responding to my messages. Out of sheer coincidence, I was able to find him and now they're an aloof idiot who constantly hides in pots and reminds me of their existence whether I want to or not.... And they're a great friend of mine who knows how much I've been through and somehow has used me as encouragement to go through life's trials and tribulations while being more positive and ambitious. They are a cool person to hang around with and while I may act irritated around them a lot, I appreciate the fact that they still think about me and are good friends. It's probably not what you'd expect out of their channel but that's the story... Just as odd as the creator behind it.
Oh, and it should also go on without saying. But we also tend to discuss heavy subjects from time to time. That insightful commentary on life made FlamePillow my own hope in hell because... Whenever I feel like I am in a world that despises and misunderstands me... Flame will always be there.... Probably watching me from the nearest window or some shit like that.
A sad yet important glimpse into the heart and mind of depression and nihilism. This hopelessness, this disgust at life, this fear must be fought. But how can an enemy such as this be fought?
I just thought Imaginedom was just the Jesus video. Never knew that it was pretty philosophical and bleak. Crazy how the things the creator was going through at the time are things that I'm currently struggling with, namely depression.
I find the Turtle and the Duck video very interesting, I do agree that this is part of nature, we're either prey or predator, there is no in-between. It's how the world works.
One thing that helps keep me somewhat content with my inevitable thoughts is that life could always be worse, like imagine if this universe was one where we were constantly getting raped or something
His entire journey has a point, either you get "help" and live with lies that will improve your life towards "happiness" or choose the cold hard truth that will leave you sad and broken at the end of the day. I choose the latter one, better be sad and aware than surrounding yourself with lies and lies from other people who just want you happy. I need none of that. After all, what is the purpose of happiness if you got it from lies?
i was a lot like them a while back. depressed, thinking about suicide on a daily basis, very "edgy" (for lack of a more respectful word), etc. cynicism and hopelessness plagued my thought patterns back then. i eventually got help and saw the world in a clearer light. to see them do a complete 180 brought tears to my eyes because it's so similar to my experience. i understand, i really do. im proud that they got much better and are doing something they enjoy. they deserve it
Honestly, it seems to me that all this anger and darkness came form a place of deep compassion/empathy for others- caring for those suffering in hell, being angry at a god who would allow pain to exist in such a way, etc. I myself am pretty compassionate and the burnout I deal with not only trying to keep up with the news but watch out for the people I love is overwhelming sometimes. It's hard for people with very high compassion/empathy to go through life without becoming hardened or cynical towards the horrors of the world or towards religion and I'm glad at least this guy got help and is doing better with his mental health.
As someone as cynical as Diogenes, I can relate to the creator. He has one thing correct. Choose ignorance and keep wearing your rose tinted spectacles everyone! It'll keep you sane. I'm afraid I didn't heed my own advice, lol.
as a part religious guy, i think his words are food for though? your thoughts and opinions are shaped on what you see. This man was simply in a void, he saw all hope was gone, but happiness seeped in and he is likely doing much better now. pretty wholesome.
2:04 i remember when i saw another video also talking about Imaginedom, and the dude managed to find the source of that scream, man it's really fucked up
Looking at the comments I can't help but think of how hostile and pushy religious people are toward people who has suffered from abuse and thus become distrustful toward the existence of god. You can believe what you want but don't disregard others who has suffered, you don't know what they have been through.
I'm so happy that the guy who made these videos is doing better. His animation videos are good and he actually gives some good advice now. Crazy how quickly someone can change
Oh, THAT'S why that channel's editing reminded me so much of yours, especially the, like.. VHS font zoom-in and slow fading out I thought it was just something people were starting to do nowadays, but it's actually you haha Subbed with notifications on for both channels :)
i kinda wanna meet this person. i actually apreciate the way this person decided to adress his/her thoughts and believes. while every other simialr person would start hating or fighting with the oposing side instead of having a proper debate. i have so much respect for the creator of that channel and i hope that they're having a better life right now.
Imaginedom’s visual style kinda reminds me of the band venom. Ps. I love the Zelda music at one point in the vid, Also, the creator (now known as flame pillow) does animations and Chibi art,
7:08 okay this got me so Mad, he thinks that god send all these pain just to torture us, *NO* ! He gives us challenges, temptations, all these suffering over wordly things just to test the endurance of our faith. Remember the story of Job and the Seed that fell on the rocky soil of the Parable of the Sower. But I'm glad that this person has gotten better, I hope he is always healthy and strong in faith so that he can get a better insight and view of God.
This one is the most interesting. I really agree that there are people on earth who should not be parents. Whether is those who are out for selfish purposes to them not having the proper experience to raise a child. This world can be aggressive, scary and unpredictable.
Honestly I'm of the opinion most in hell don't deserve hell tho some definitely do unfortunately :( Also they definitely share a lot of the same views as me it's very interesting ... I understand their pain at least to some extent. I need to go check this channel out myself..
The picture that is showcased after the brazen bull is torture method called Lingchi (aka lingering death, slow slicing and death by a thousand cuts). (I think not so sure lmao)
I know the guy was going through really, really rough things in life back then; and I'm glad that he's okay now. But seriously that "Pray for those in hell line" but makes me chuckle a bit. I mean, if hell does exist. Why tf would I wanna pray for people like Hitler, Pol Pot; Peter Sculley, Jeffrey Dahmer... Yet, the line also really creeps me the fuck out.
I relate to this channel and understand his perspective a lot more than seems comfortable and healthy... especially about God and the nature of humanity. Why is there so much suffering in the world? If God truly loves us, then why does He allow so much pain and suffering? And perhaps most frightening of all I really understand what he's saying about euthanasia. I'm afraid because I thought I had recovered from my depression but I'm wondering if I really haven't and if there's any hope for me to be an actually balanced person capable of surviving on her own
FNaF doesn't haunt me in my sleep. Poppy Playtime doesn't haunt me in my sleep. The Walten Files doesn't haunt me in my sleep. Harmony & Horror doesn't haunt me in my sleep. The Mandela Catalogue doesn't haunt me in my sleep. Heck, the SMILE tapes don't evem haunt me in my sleep. But this... *_*this some real nightmare shit...*_* 1:011:3610:00 But bro's got a point.
UPDATE EDIT:
I’m dumb, the channel does still exist, I thought the names were just coincidence, my bad: ua-cam.com/users/FlamePillow
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Imaginedom rebranded their channel after attaining a new perspective on life which can be found here.
m.ua-cam.com/channels/GzwKs5Ntu_Epnhh6or6Rag.html?cbrd=1
Imaginedom is still here: ua-cam.com/users/FlamePillow
It’s still a good video
Hi man, can I ask you a question?
Imaginedom is not deleted, they turned around after getting help on their depression and now do art and animation
Link?
@@BearlyAnything m.ua-cam.com/channels/GzwKs5Ntu_Epnhh6or6Rag.html?cbrd=1
@@BearlyAnything ua-cam.com/users/FlamePillow
Can you give us a link?
ua-cam.com/users/FlamePillow
The children's drawing episode
really made me upset.
And it reminded me of the saying.
Every child deserves a parent.
But not all parents deserve a child.
Even though it was a short video, I felt bad.
Yeah I think you're parent is smashing a siblings head into a brick wall that's pretty bad
But according to some, all parents should have total control over what their kids learn.
@@Myke_thehuman I mean, depends on the parent at the end of the day
@@Myke_thehuman ideally no one would ever become a parent and everyone would just stop having children
I wanna ask god after I died that why he created angel if he can do anything and why creature on earth have to sacrifice an another in order to survive and why is the hell created if god is a merciful and why he won't show up on earth with lights in the sky or I can't ask him if I go to hell
Even though this channel is still on UA-cam, the user got help after suffering from depression, which is why the terrifying videos we discovered were on here. He's moved on and became a much happier person as a whole, now doing animation and art. It's quite beautiful of an arc, though we'll always remember these for both disturbing yet fascinating us about how mysterious Imaginedom was since the start.
@To DEATH, Bro! Look up Imaginedom. Still there and under a similar name.
Noice!
That's surprisingly wholesome
That is just beautiful development for his character
Got help? More like got brainwashed
This Channel feels like looking inside the mind of a broken person, it was unsettling to me but looking at the comments and learning of how they improved calms me down a lot. I am so happy for them getting out of their cyclical mindset and recovering.
I heard a lot of anti religious who are overly cynical and nihilistic people on the Internet reading their existential comments and I also think about what their said but never to the point its consuming my mind that causes deppresion since I'm mentally stable compare to them. Yeah I'm getting a bit where their coming from but that ain't converting me into an atheist or just anti religious in general. The old Imaginedom may can give questions and food for thoughts but reminder their words can be also not a healthy mindset since it feeds on too much negativity so much so you gonna end up ignoring the positive sides that may prevent you seeking for happiness.
@@dyasoon He didn’t make hell for that reason he made it for satan you choose to go to hell he doesn’t make you go there we give people signs and they don’t take it we as Christians should try harder to help those in need
@@dyasoon also Christians don’t convert to angels
the first statement wasn't cynical is was realistic if anything
@@dyasoon It is all the strange contradictions and illogical things in Christianity that caused me to stop believing, to be honest
imaginedom made a 180 and is now doing art and animation
im happy for them
they changed theyre name to flamepillow imaginedom
I relate to this channel a lot. I see the world as a cruel place with bad people. Yes people can be good but we're all bad people one way or another. The part about people with talent and no talent hit me the hardest though. I'm a person with autism and ever since I was a kid I've had trouble with many things, academics, socializing and other habits of life. I'm 17 now and going into senior year. People have talents and things they are good at taking those talents to universities. All I'm good at is drawing and art. I can't go to any art universities because they are either too far away or cost too much. I honestly don't know what I will be able to accomplish at all in my life. I had dreams as a kid. But now it feels like they have been crushed in a way. I'm going to end this here since I wanted to get my thoughts out in a way.
Ey, you okay with me talking about my things?
I'm autistic, just turned 15 yesterday, I like to draw characters and write lore and worldbuilding. Sure many colleges are expensive, but maybe there are some places that can give you a job with a portfolio or along those lines. Just coming from someone who wants to be an animator
Sorry for ramble, tried to be a bit positive
@@Space_Cowboy.22. I wish, but I can't really find anything sadly. Most of them require you to go to art school.
You obviously need a ton of talent but you can defenetly live of art without having to go to art school, at least in the internet, it's pretty hard as I've said but it's possible
@That guy Exactly what i thought lol
Keep your head high king. I’m a fellow person with autism (Asperger’s if you wanna be specific) and I know exactly how you feel. The world is a rough place and yeah, the future is definitely gonna be difficult. But if you remain a kind person and try to be the best person you can be, I’m sure that you will be fine in the end
I’ve never heard of this channel before, but everything that he brought up resonated deeply with me. Weirdly enough, I’ve come to many of the same conclusions Imagiondome has without ever hearing about the channel. The truth is, everything in life comes from selfishness in some way, even compassion comes from the need to build units for one’s own safety. Our morality systems are latent with double standards and surface level assumptions. For example, I am going to tell you a story a substitute teacher once told my class. There was a man who was down on his luck. He was addicted to heroin and his girlfriend had recently broken up with him. This man didn’t have a future, or at least a satisfactory one. Seeing no other way out, he drove his car off of a bridge. However, he survived and first responders were called. He was rushed to the hospital, where he recovered from the wreck. Then, the hospital charged him a bill he obviously could not pay for. Now, if you’re like me you could see how the hospital did nothing to help this man. In fact, instead of solving a single problem he was facing, they just prevented him from getting out of the mess he was in while adding a shit ton of financial debt to his list of issues. These doctors saved him because it’s their jobs to do so. Yes, they didn’t know his situation, but if they had would it have made any difference? There is a large enough stigma around suicide that most people don’t even care where these people are coming from. They get the idea that these people need to be saved, but they don’t think twice about how to save them. People can’t bare the guilt of someone associated with them committing suicide, so they do everything in their power to keep them alive. Even if it ultimately comes at the expense of the suicidal person.
Statistics have shown that most people that have survived suicide have actually eventually been grateful for being saved, maybe not all but it's fair to say that it's better to save them because even if they don't want to be saved they can eventually attempt it again with better plans, but if they are successful at first there's no return to life...
@@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043 it’s because the people who aren’t greatful just kill themselves again. Survivorship bias and cherry-picking fallacy once more
@@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043 That makes sense, but by forcing this man to pay for a hospital trip he never even officially consented to, doesn’t that just give him another problem to work out without solving any of his current problems?
@@yawbyss981 True, but its true that in the us theres people who donate and help others who cant pay their treatment, but maybe it aint enough, who knows, i guess it is very wrong to save someone if at the end of the day youre doing it for money, so iguess i agree on that one
But if the story went in a way where someone else ad saved him i think thats good
Oh poor baby got a doctor bill. Give me a break, he can still finish the job if he so chooses. Nobody is actually stopping him. Put another pound of heroin in his veins, grab a shotgun and swallow it... It's nobody's fault but his own he can't even off himself correctly.
"If you feel disgusted, then you are a good person, but do not cower in fear! Use these videos as motivation to help others around you, be it human or animal"
I have to admit it's annoying the fact that a lot of ignorant people just went blindly attacking his videos when he just did what no one else would, he made thought provoking questions that actually had a lot of sense, he wanted to show the world the reality a lot of people blatantly denies or ignores for the sake of being selfishly happy, he also seems to be one of the most influential sources that exposed how abusive and trash is the flag system on UA-cam
On this point on time where i've been feeling lost in life, after watching this "documentary" about IMAGEDOM i do, indeed, feel motivated to be a better person and help others around me, hope the guy is doing well, he's a legend
not true being disgusted can lead to you becoming a self righteous asshole
someone says it!!! thank you
As horrifying as these videos are, when you look beyond the scary imagery and messages, it actually has good intentions behind it.
I think the creator is try to say that we as people should stop asking for god or a messiah to help those who are suffering, but rather try to help them ourselves.
Also I would choose B. If they resent me for saving 100 people they’re clearly shouldn’t be a “loved one” in my book
Christianity IS helping people suffering and those who are in need, it's us the human christian that help others people, God help us to give us energy to keep going Sharing love with people. I'm not catholic but évangélist
@@bucksorel6805 You do have a point, there’s many cases where religion can help people through some rough things.But at the same time, we can’t leave all of our problems to a deity only spoken of yet never seen. Whether or not god is real, we can’t expect them to do all the work.
We’ve been given the skill of problem solving for a reason, whether by god or by nature, or even both. The only thing we must do is put it to good use
@@Anonymous-73 exactly well said bro, that's what I tell my mom lol. Believing hard only help me to put myself Into good and helping/listening to others.
@@bucksorel6805 actually theres a lot of homophobic right wing propaganda in your community and some other stupid discrimination
Too some of you try to force people to be christian if it helps so much then why do people commit suicide and still have depression in the community it has not helped people that much all it did was made people believe in stuff that isn’t proven just some bullshit written in a book to make profits
@@Anonymous-73 I’m assuming you’re athiest and I’m glad athiests like you exist explaining why you don’t believe in religion without disrespecting the people who do. Although I personally find it impossible for an afterlife to NOT exist I do respect atheists like you.
Its eerie how i’ve had a lot of these same thoughts, the video about the parents license hit me especially hard.
My brother and I agree that a policy like this should be instated. Felt validating to see someone feels the same way.
@@marko9695 yeah man my parents did some awful things to me as a kid and i still deal with the trauma. its essentially made me a socially awkward recluse because i didnt get the good childhood most people need to develop healthy social skills. any little thing a parent does impacts a kid forever and thats such a huge responsibility
As someone still recovering from deep religious trauma, this channel was oddly cathartic. So many people wonder why younger generations are leaving the church after the way they treat them at their formitive years. It's no wonder so many ex-christians have such a bleak outlook.
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*oh ok*
I've personally been VERY skeptical on religion, specifically christianity.
I just don't believe a book with a shaky source.
@@Pinkooru i think people are allowed to believe whatever they want unless its hurting people or animals
If life really IS meaningless, is that not the ultimate form of freedom, though? I mean, if there's no definite endgoal you have to work towards, your life is yours to do with as you wish.
I mean I personally hate that, at least in games.
Based, and all hail the king dedede
So I can commit warcrimes then?
@@LordComradeAnarchoCapitalus yes. That is the only moral you should get from this video.
Only humanimals think life is meaningless
I remember the video talking about how parents should have liscences to raise kids scaring the fuck out of me as a kid. But as for the videos and the creator themselves, this channel really illustrates how damaging this form of thinking can be, and the fact that the creator has since then recovered from what was clearly some form of depression is proof of this. Always remember that this cycnical way of thinking will do nothing but hurt you, and that the world isn't as cruel as you think it is.
I'm glad you can stay so optimistic.
I agree with them to an extent. The world is a terrible place for some but wonderful for others, depends on the cards we're dealt
This is a dog eat dog world, bringing a child in this hellhole is extremelly selfish.
There is only suffering here, you will spend most of your life working just to stay alive, and after 60 years, you'll be old and ill because you had to overwork your entire life. And for what? You didnt even made 1% of the fortune of the elite.
I do kind of agree with them on more checking on whether parents are fit to raise a kid or not, like the same way pet owners have to be checked if they’re fit to raise an animal. You’re caring for a living thing, I feel like it should be made sure the person is capable of that.
@@POBBLEBONK0.0 my problem w this is it can dip into eugenics territory and classism, as more often than not poor ppl are blamed for “bad” upbringings when in reality it has a lot to do with good education and resources (food, shelter, water) easily and readily available. its really hard to pinpoint what a good parent is when you live in a society that has doomed you from the start
My point of view on nihilism is this: if everything is pointless, if there's no point to life but we keep living anyway, we may as well work to make others happy and ourselves happy, and minimize the amount of suffering in life as much as we can, y'know? If we're only here for a little while and there's no greater purpose, then why NOT spend our lives trying to make things better for ourselves and others around us? Like yeah, we can get depressed and lose hope, but like. Why not try to make things a little bit better for everyone suffering through life instead of just giving up and not doing anything? We're here anyway, we may as well do SOMETHING good with the time we have and give comfort and joy to people that they might not get from anywhere else. It's not like it's hard to do little things to make someone else feel better-- listen when they need to talk about something, get excited with people when they're excited for something no matter how small and pointless it is, smile at people, do little random acts of kindness, hold the door for someone or compliment someone's shirt or just. SOMETHING.
Every little action you do affects someone else in this world. Why not choose to make those effects be positive and help lessen the amount of suffering in the world rather than just giving up because that suffering exists in the first place?
I agree a lot with you, if you know that your existence is pointless, why keep suffering? Why keep feeling bad? This will change nothing, its better to enjoy that uselessness, to enjoy the time we have, even if we can't change the world, keep suffering only hurts, being happy, doing good things, in a small scale, can change something, so why not just enjoy? Enjoying and being good will reduce the badness, more good person will counter more bad person, its balance, don't let the bad dominate, because it only will let you more sour, like a cycle
@Danny Mohamed Because why not? What else is there to do? There's no reason NOT to help others. And you should do things that make you personally happy as well. If there's no point to anything, then there is literally no reason to not try to make the time we have a little less miserable while we're stuck in it, y'know?
@Danny Mohamed I mean, the end might not matter, but if the end doesn't matter then the present matters HUGELY, right? So if you're already in a mindset of "nothing matters in the end," you should focus on improving the present, since that's all you have.
@Danny Mohamed oh I'm not advocating thinking everything is pointless! I'm just saying what I think is the most helpful and healthy way to frame it if you DO have that mindset already. Like, what I'm saying is that instead of thinking "nothing matters I shouldn't bother doing anything," it would be a lot healthier to think "nothing matters so why not have a good time and help others have a good time while they're here," yknow? If the present is all we have, we should make it the best it can be for ourselves and those around us.
Besides, why should we need the threat of consequence? You should still be a good person whether you think you'll get in trouble for it or not. If your morality is based entirely around being good because if you don't you'll suffer in some afterlife, that isn't really YOUR morality and it isn't really all that moral in the first place, you know? You should be a good person for the sake of it, not to get yourself a happy ending.
@Danny Mohamed Well yeah, but you can and should have morality without it being based totally on "oh I have to be good to get the Good Ending," if that makes sense? You should want to be good and moral because it's... the right thing to do, not because if you don't, you'll be punished. You should be moral and kind whether you think there's a big cosmic reason to or not, that's what I'm saying! Because there's literally no reason NOT to be moral. It makes life better and easier for everyone, imo, yourself included!
And oh not at all, I'm enjoying the chat!
I'm super glad he got the help he needed. It legit gives me hope. While I understand the meaning behind the videos and even agree with them. I can tell he was in a dark dark place.
They're no longer in that dark place, they make animations now but haven't uploaded since 2021
@@saxshtonthey posted on twitter 2 days ago, so they’re still active, just not on UA-cam
I remember watching Imaginedom but now everybody I myself included felt a bit glad that their alright and starting to do art instead.
I assumed Flame Pillow's mindset had changed and I think they doesn't have the same philosophy as before because their old videos are unlisted or deleted.
My theory is Imaginedom had associated with bad religious experience and I remember that they also stated they moved from a country or place where the abuse and trauma came from.
The thing that’s interesting about imaginedom is that it wasn’t some arg made for fun. It was a real channel made by a person who genuinely had those thoughts at one point. As the 3rd to last video suggests, it seems they are doing better and now have a more hopeful outlook on life. Which is always a good thing.
His channel is still up, but the name has been changed to “FlamePillow Imaginedom”. He has 4 animation videos and he still has some older videos on there.
He said that his life got better and I’m really glad to hear that.
Yeah it's clear from the videos the creator didn't have very good mental health
That's really nice
I resonate completely with everything in these videos, up until 18:35 which just feels like a complete 180 from what I'm thinking.
This person obviously had a way worse life than I have so far but still, this is the first that I've seen someone else say shit I've been thinking for a long while, especially the stuff about god actively torturing people. "haha you didn't believe in me so now you will suffer and burn in the flames of hell for all eternity" how the fuck is that fair by any stretch of the imagination.
I don't believe in Hell for that reason. I believe in Purgatory: You suffer for awhile, burn, live in pain, but you're not there forever. God is merciful, he would likely punish you for not believing or being bad, but not for an eternity. He'd bring you to Heaven eventually, in my belief.
If God is the perfect being, Hell is the perfect punishment, so by very definition only those who belong in Hell go there. People who say you don't agree with my literal interpretation of the bible so you're going to Hell are as bad as the reddit atheist.
If they say that just say something like "only God can judge me to Hell, so what makes you worthy to judge the sum of my entire being?"
I looked deeply into this when I was younger, and I am still interested in it. I wish better archiving had happened for the videos but it's glad to see people are still talking about this!
I feel much the same way as the creator of Imaginedom actually, having been called slow in elementary school, laughed at for farting in class even though it's a natural body function, people laughing at my emotions quite literally EVERYWHERE I feel as if nothing in the world matters and NOBODY is worth saving as humanity NEVER changes no matter how hard they try or how much they claim to have changed, humans are so multi-faced that they could be loving one minute and then pissed as fuck at you the next.
Same here. I was bullied lots as a kid and was always thought as the "weird kid". I couldn't like or enjoy a single thing without kids laughing at me because said interest was "cringe".
Kids at school are vicious. In the society we live in, this kind of savagery is encouraged, especially towards anyone who is somehow Different.
Rest assured that, despite how prevalent you have had them in your lives, you have only encountered a minority of human personalities. Most people are kind.
It's just that kind people aren't very noticeable, either, until they do something so kind you can't ignore it.
Here's something I want you to think about-- and I'm someone who also suffers from chronic, severe depression and anxiety, so this isn't some rando saying this out of nowhere. There are other people out there like you. I'm one of them. There are a LOT of us out here who are suffering, who struggle to find purpose. So what I'm gonna suggest to you here is what I myself have decided: why don't we, instead of giving up, try to make things a little bit less painful for those of us who have suffered so much? Offering comfort to someone in our position can be as simple as just listening to them talk when no one else will, or offering solidarity. We are suffering, but that doesn't mean that we always will be, and that we always have to be. We can take it into our own hands and do whatever little things we get the chance to do to care for each other, if no one else will care for us.
Like yeah, the world sucks. People are shitty and awful, and a lot of us have been hurt and continue to be hurt. But that's why I think we should stand together and work to try and ease the suffering of others rather than give up. It doesn't have to be full-on epic saving someone else's life; just offering whatever little comfort or happiness you can to another person who is hurting can mean everything. It might be pointless in the long run, sure, but to that person, you could mean everything. I used to say when I worked as a cashier that I always smiled at people who came in, no matter how grumpy they looked, because you never know-- you might be the only smile that person sees that whole week. You don't have to save the world, you don't have to save another person-- just be kind and patient with those who are also hurting, and that alone is worth so much.
@@vodkasvoice so the constant everyday of going through it is NOT important? seriously the fact that people always find a reason makes it even worse day in day out some ego filled brat finds some way to insult me
@@IronBoy-hf2lp I even hard one say the n-word while i was in school here in the US of all places
This person is a genius down to earth as can be in my opinion and I hope this person has found peace within themselves and our physical world
This channel is interesting, I think I could actually agree with most of the youtuber's ideas. This isn't just disturbing just bc it makes you think.
but that's the disturbing part. It makes you think. It makes you aware. It makes you think. It makes you aware....
"insanity" reminds me of the beginning quote of the horror in clay by H.P Lovecraft "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to
correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age."
i love this animator so much and I told him about the rumors and all and he felt very sadden that everyone believed on those such horrific rumors. I then told him I didn't and was thankful he is doing alright and seeked help. I was also waiting for them to upload something since it was years. Ngl I'm happy they're doing alright and I wish to continue chatting with him here but sadly they removed the chat option and well. I'm just glad they're alright and happy.
The True ending:
You made the Animator happy :D
I remember hearing about this channel in one of scaretheaters old videos
I can see why someone would think they're just cringe and edgy but. Yknow I used to feel like that a lot, not anymore though. Apparently they're doing better these days and I'm quite happy for em
I mean, if you believe Christian doctrine but also have strong morals it makes sense you’d feel the way the OP feels
It seems like every night I get caught in a spooky video loop, love it
About the first video you presented, those are not souls banished to/from hell, the screams are a woman’s cry on a police call, she got murdered that night by a stranger who’s been stalking around her house. The murderer was never caught. You can still find the phone call everywhere on UA-cam, but it’s absolutely disturbing.
Imaginedom actually changed and got rid of his depression and now makes nice animations!
I feel like a lot of peoples warped and cynical view of Christianity stems from the warped and cynical actions of those who worship god. Many are hateful, many hurt others, and they never ask for forgiveness for either for they think they did no wrong. Many misinterpreted the bible of purpose, many use it and god himself as an excuse for their actions.
I'm not surprised a channel like this exists, I am far from disapproving of it, I do think that the beliefs presented in it are too bleak to be entirely accurate to reality.
While I definitely agree that the actions of less than ideal Christians do effect the view on religion. I also think that some people are more prone to fixating on negatives. For example someone looking at the crucifixion of Jesus and saying “see how horrible God is? He killed his son!” But not looking at the fact that it was a show of God choosing humanity over himself. I am Catholic so I do have a bias towards religion, but I do think that some people look for problems to justify their views without looking for reasons or solutions
@@owenzon8863 jesus died for us so that makes sense
@@owenzon8863 I think God is shown best as a symbol of hope for people who need guidance. The values associated with God such as kindness and forgiveness are great things to teach to everyone, but there is an equal amount of people that twist the words of the bible to benefit their own prejudice. In addition, institutionalized religion exploits their position and more often than not strays away from their initial purpose.
Christianity for me should be a value system that can guide individuals to be better people. But the often shallow parts of christianity take precedence and people use it to justify their flawed views. Like everything else in life, its better to take it in moderation.
@@owenzon8863 Exactly, the death of Christ Himself symbolises the inevitability of suffering: how God puts his own son through some of the worst pain in existence while still loving him. Highlighting how suffering is the price of existence.
@@owenzon8863 People who think that have no actual idea of what they're talking about in the first place lmao God IS Jesus in the first place. Do they not understand the Bible 101? The Father = The Son = The Holy Dove, this is the basics for basically anyone who bothered to read the Bible(and this is coming from a Catholic). God is sacrificing His Son as much as He is sacrificing HIMSELF for OUR sake
just seems like an edgelord that was going thru a phase for a while to me
I think the early videos about suicide victims and religion kinda were, btw nice missto pfp
I used to be traumatized by the Jesus video and was also scared of the creator. But reading the comments and hearing that they made these videos because of their trauma and subsequent depression made me feel bad for them. It’s good to know they were able to recover and move on.
As someone who is Catholic, I will say something about 5:17.
In general, we are not supposed to assume that someone is going to heaven or hell, that is what God decides, not us. So to answer the question, we cannot think that said person got what they deserved since that is not our assumption. Not sure if that makes sense because i'm not good at explanation lol.
There is nobody in Hell right now except for Satan. The only people in Heaven right now are the saints. Every other soul is waiting patiently for judgement, and those that are suffering some form of torment while in Purgatory can still be prayed for and possibly saved through prayer and celebrating Mass for them.
As a Muslim pov:
God forgives people, however there are certain people (aka actions) That will NOT be forgiven, like "Shirk" which is believing in God yet praying to a statue as a connection to God
Heck even some muslims will go to hell for years
And maybe, and hopefully, non muslims if they have been doing good deeds, god forgives them
So in the end, people shouldn't decide who goes to hell or heaven, it's not our discussion
The only disdain I feel about this whole thing is towards the people who are adamant in getting him banned
Deeply religious people can be so self-centred and close-minded.
I may be a Christian, but I always like to see other's perspectives. And Imaginedom had an extremely interesting outtake on religion, so it frustrates me that others would rally against him
@@guydude439 I'm a Christian too, and I want Imaginedom to be there, that's his freedom of speech. He can use it whatever he want.
But in my opinion, his take is edgy af, like "what if I just hate everything then question why hating is exist" type of take
@@MartinHutasoit09 you definitely have a point, I agree with you there
@@MartinHutasoit09 *she
he used to encourage suicide, i'm an atheist but that's fuckin weird
That point about Chab being everywhere does be true though. Chab is a big epidemic in my country, I hope it gets fixed soon.
you forgot to mention the "a mistake called life" video
the premises was that he questions why we save people that already want to die, or would forever be suffering after being "saved".
he puts in a video of a man who shot himself in the head with a shotgun but didn't succeed and was alive while the doctors around him discuss how to proceed, all heavily distorted ofc but you could still see what was going on. then he states that we only save each other for our own moral superiority, then shows a video of a man who had just had his lower half ripped off by a truck, again heavily distorted. it ends with imaginedom questioning why we save the weak and those who will forever suffer and the video ends
He is right someone with a disability contributes nothing in society if they don't overcome it or don't find a place to go to they should just let the beat stop
@@m4x_g4mer90 i dont agree, if a disabled person wants to live, let them. but we shouldnt be saving people that want to die
It's strange but nice to see the creator switch their content from depressed and philosophical to still deep but more light hearted abd comical
This video basically sums up how I feel about life.
You may need help
Follow what the creator did, if you continue thinking like this you might ruining your life and yourself man
Same.
@@lakeull6041 oh I know I do. And I’m in the process of getting help.
@@TomoLamp I am and tbh I’m terrified. I don’t like thinking like this.
Found myself horribly shocked by this video. I remember seeing some of these videos long, long ago. I won't get too far into it, but I undoubtedly suffer through mental trauma on account of childhood abuse, and many of the philosophies behind these videos are constant thoughts that seemingly inhibit my ability to function to the degree of others. The idea that all life energy besides the absorption of sunlight is derived in suffering, as well as that we're then supposed to be judged based on behaviors that were predestined or known by an eternal entity that has invented not only an arbitrary ruling of law that only allows suffering that is deemed acceptable by groups that love to cause suffering is like a torturous poison that I can never be rid. I have talked very respectfully with some of my most adamant Christian friends, and I never have found a viable solution to the state of the world. That even grass should experience some measure of expressing distress and reason to warn other members of its kind tells me all I need to know about any divine entity - that they should make suffering the innate quality of life over joy or beauty. It undoubtedly involves a level of empathy for the devil, but nothing like satanism. An identification against God's unjust definitions of love based on fear, united only against the suffering of the individual over higher purpose and adoration for humanity just for existing as it does. So far as my eyes and ears concern themselves, I feel surrounded by pain justified by bizarre trivialities that I'm consistently told I'm "overthinking," when I feel as though I've offered any given thought with the same immediate process that feels natural and logical. However, I often feel very lonely in my mind, and like I have no way to express my thoughts unless to be shut down again for doing things, "incorrectly." I don't find it optimal or positive at all. It's a sort of empathic thinking that only targets the extreme. I spend a great amount of time overcoming these thoughts and making attempts at finding ways to distract myself from this premise. It's very relatable and satisfying to know that I'm not alone in this struggle. I have always wished I could save people, and the many answers offered to the questions of life have, rather than satisfied, made me much more deeply upset with the nature of being. I'm very appreciative that there are a great many Christians who work toward positive causes, but nothing ever rubs me right about God's demand for fear.
Powerful.
I think that fearing God is a sort of metaphor to keep a healthy respect for the forces of nature, and the like, thus it keeps people from pursuing harmful things and keeps them grounded. At least that's how I interpret it without the imposing monumentality of christianity.
Suffering is a pervasive aspect in arguably all religions, and what comes after suffering is I think what's important than to fixate on suffering itself.
@@orangeman3220 thank you so much for engaging with my comment! There is nothing I like more than perspectives offered and genuine care taken to share human experience. I am always looking to see which angles I have overlooked, or further, things that need to be thought about. We are not perfect, and so frequently we fall victim too deeply into our most reactionary emotions. It's important to me that people respond so insightfully like this.
To begin, I think that metaphor is always the best way to reflect on it. However, its manifestation, particularly throughout the old testament, and by those primary loud group of Christians who represent the religion's greatest pursuit of power decide that there is no metaphor to be taken, leads this, "fear of God," to represent something far darker for me, as it is in the case of stories like Job. Where others who believe in the benefits of the word of the Bible, but differentiate that while it illustrates the truth of God, it's metaphor all the same, they will find this wonderful and honorable truth to live by, without any conflicts that could lead them to endanger others, whether human, animal, or plant. In the book of Job, as I previously mentioned, Job's non-adherence to God's word is not corrected by mere failure or by his own actions, but instead, Job is scolded directly by God. There is no lesson that God explains. The only takeaway is to obey God or his wrath will destroy you before any ill side effects on earth will. It leaves no room for Job, as a person, to find that growth will come naturally from failure. A deviation from God, as Christ had composed it, would lead you down a path where the inevitability of your deviation from the word would lead you to learn. God does not see failure as the agent that teaches, and this is where I find his fear demands something cruel, dangerous, and thoughtless. It's why I think that corporal punishment is so intertwined with the bible. God illustrates that to those below you, there is no need to explain, and your decision does not need to be one that is sensible or logical. All you need to do is decide that you are correct, and flexing your guns is how you keep your sheep in line, if not torturing them. In a similar regard, I consider how many times in the Old Testament God uses his power as a means of inducing vengeance and fear. Such a case can be observed in the story of Samson, where rather than offer the people of Israel a prophet of love and/or diplomacy who could lead the people to find ground with great wisdom to find peace with the Philistines that leads them, too, toward God, he massacres them. He lays waste to them in ways so absurd they could be considered comical. To even acknowledge this within God's intent is to acknowledge that God finds it appropriate to massacre any mortal he plans already to make suffer eternally, if the word of the New Testament is to be considered the true follow-up to the collection of books in the Old. War is not something to be toyed with lightly. There is no doubt that of those thousand men massacred with a donkey's jawbone, hundreds of them perhaps had no reason to fight but to protect what they love. In this context, it weighs the pursuit of spiritual goal from outside of God as worthy of endangering everyone and everything you love, as well as making you worthy of brutal slaughter, followed by eternal punishment. A god who asks me to fear him by providing him power through such a means is clearly one that cannot morally govern a human being to do more than to truly fear, and that through this blind fear, any and all slaughter is acceptable. Therefore, to submit any part of this text to not be metaphor opens the door to an absurd amount of horror that demands submission or torture. It's very cruel, in that regard. I do believe ultimately that the word of Jesus was one that illustrates how to live free of pain, but the concept of God on the other side is where the true existential dread remains.
Now for the discussion of suffering, I 200% agree! I see that the goal of every religion is to find a comfortable aversion to suffering. In my case, to deal with the thoughts composed of suffering and to know what the feeling of those thoughts are like has always been a great trouble. The greatest religious text I've found that philosophically works with that of suffering is in the Bhagavad Gita. Of course, chances are that this strength remains on the part that it comes from the context of an epic poem, and in that light, offers its entirety to be considered lesson and metaphor. The problem that I have with God's easing for real life suffering is that it encourages fully a life of fear from imperfection. Where the Bhagavad Gita focuses on how the attempt to achieve perfection can eternally bring you closer and closer to your goal, without the fear of death's judgment, God offers life as a game that can only end in your full and complete submission to him, lest you be tortured for eternity by his own whims. Hell is not any way to treat those you love, and it's undoubtedly no way to make the most stubborn submit to offering you love. Of course, it seems not to be the goal, more or less functioning as true, eternal retributive vengeance for your audacity not to bow and worship God, despite any evil he commits. Suffering, further, as a truth, is hard to chew on when you consider that all that everything is composed of was supposedly designed intelligently by God. This means every bit of agony, suffering, and death that any creature feels is by his own design. If that were not enough, he has given us, evidently not exclusively, as humans, the ability to perceive things that make us feel positively, and can go as far as to illustrate images of beauty beyond our wildest dreams could have indicated before. To design a system that constantly forces consciousnesses to pursue the elimination of others, always marked with something's agony, suffering, and/or death, illustrates a deity more cruel than merciful. Further, how many of these life forms have a soul? Is life itself not the very essence of the soul? Past descriptions of only human beings maintaining such a force brings even more questions into mind when we see personality and expressions of love expressed by so many animals. Are these just mere projections of the soul from the human mind onto these creatures? There's no telling why we feel this empathy for non-human creatures. However, if we're to interpret them as all uniquely holding souls, how can we feel confident in their constant massacre? Where vegetarians offer a solution in straying from creatures that are easy to empathize with and that scream, what do we say about plants? Does grass have a soul? Does its emission of the smell it leaves after being cut, intending to reach other blades of grass and offer something of a distress call or warning, prove desire? Is it just a simple chemical process, or is that ability for it to suffer the nature of the soul? If suffering is the nature of the soul without solace found outside of it, then what can be said of God? Why is it that each system he proposes is composed entirely of suffering? It can never rub me the right way no matter what angle it's interpreted. With all due respect, however, I do find that many passages in the bible offer great solutions that make life feel much more wonderful for millions of people, but it always begs the question of why any caring being would construct such a place for his "children," in which they cannot even imagine a structure existing that interests them enough outside of some eternal factor of suffering. It seems all too cruel, and ironically immature and extreme of an eternally wise, shapeless, omnipotent being.
@@orangeman3220as a fellow Christian. I do notice how some types of Christianity and other religions try to make God come off like a vengeful entity ready to strike down on you if you mess up. in my own personal beliefs and beliefs based on my parents, specifically my mom who is a passionate Christian, I believe that God is supposed to be this father figure who is supposed to watch over you. and yes, maybe you will face tough challenges and you will ask God why this is happening, but certain things do happen for a reason. and it might sound really cliche to say that but i think that’s just how life is in general. in school, in relationships, at work, we face obstacles and we wonder how come things aren’t so easy? but perhaps we are supposed to learn something more about ourselves that God is trying to show us without coming down here and telling us himself.
i don’t know any of you so maybe this belief of mine is something close-minded. but regardless whether you believe in God or not, as long as you’re a good person I respect that and I respect what everyone believes in too. but that’s just my thoughts about the whole God is a fearful man. I totally get why those types of thoughts exist.
The part where Imaginedom said that people who aren’t contributing enough or aren’t talented enough should off themselves is pretty ableist. But they likely used to think that way because of their own insecurities and upbringing. I’m autistic and I’ve had depressive episodes, so I often struggle to feel like I’m good enough. Like Imaginedom, I wonder why people can be so cruel to each other. I wish respecting others was the norm in the world.
Where did they say that?
Omg cancel the schizophrenic depressed person they hurt my feelings
And save the beef for the cow, i am a sperg as well
I think Dante’s limbo is a far better punishment than hell
just started watching your channel and sir are extremely underrated, keep it up dude
when i was watching the ‘save them jesus’ video, i got a very strong feeling of being watched. not sure why it happened- but it did.
This video gave me a panic attack, holy shit my mind is exploding from a thousand thoughts about my very own existence and a million more questions about everything
If the words “what the fuck” was a UA-cam channel. But I’m really glad that their whole perspective on live has been changed and that they’ve received help for their depression. I think a huge reason why so many people view life and existence as cruel and horrible, is because THEIR lives are like that but once taken out of those circumstances, their whole perspective will change forever. And that’s the greatest way to save anyone.
I personally have known and currently know the guy y'all know as FlamePillow or Imaginedom. It's a funny story because they used to be a very... Particular individual. We used to meet eye tyo eye in our commentaries about how disturbing the world outside was... It was surreal that one day, he disappeared without a trace and stopped responding to my messages.
Out of sheer coincidence, I was able to find him and now they're an aloof idiot who constantly hides in pots and reminds me of their existence whether I want to or not.... And they're a great friend of mine who knows how much I've been through and somehow has used me as encouragement to go through life's trials and tribulations while being more positive and ambitious. They are a cool person to hang around with and while I may act irritated around them a lot, I appreciate the fact that they still think about me and are good friends.
It's probably not what you'd expect out of their channel but that's the story... Just as odd as the creator behind it.
Oh, and it should also go on without saying. But we also tend to discuss heavy subjects from time to time. That insightful commentary on life made FlamePillow my own hope in hell because... Whenever I feel like I am in a world that despises and misunderstands me... Flame will always be there.... Probably watching me from the nearest window or some shit like that.
Thats actually really cool
A sad yet important glimpse into the heart and mind of depression and nihilism. This hopelessness, this disgust at life, this fear must be fought.
But how can an enemy such as this be fought?
Great analysis! Your videos are so good at summarizing and being insightful!
I just thought Imaginedom was just the Jesus video. Never knew that it was pretty philosophical and bleak. Crazy how the things the creator was going through at the time are things that I'm currently struggling with, namely depression.
That scream at 2:10 sounds like the Ruth Price 911 call
Imaginedom went from antichrist depressing videos to happy animated and actually good wholesome and positive videos
Their channel isn’t gone!! it’s still around theyve rebranded !!
hearing this guys life get better when he moved put such a big smile on my face
I find the Turtle and the Duck video very interesting, I do agree that this is part of nature, we're either prey or predator, there is no in-between. It's how the world works.
I'm glad there is a 'happy end' to this episode in their life and they made it through, good on them
One thing that helps keep me somewhat content with my inevitable thoughts is that life could always be worse, like imagine if this universe was one where we were constantly getting raped or something
@Bioman Smith not really but alr
The Yume Nikki, 2kki and EarthBound music really makes this video amazing.
His entire journey has a point, either you get "help" and live with lies that will improve your life towards "happiness" or choose the cold hard truth that will leave you sad and broken at the end of the day. I choose the latter one, better be sad and aware than surrounding yourself with lies and lies from other people who just want you happy. I need none of that. After all, what is the purpose of happiness if you got it from lies?
i was a lot like them a while back. depressed, thinking about suicide on a daily basis, very "edgy" (for lack of a more respectful word), etc. cynicism and hopelessness plagued my thought patterns back then. i eventually got help and saw the world in a clearer light.
to see them do a complete 180 brought tears to my eyes because it's so similar to my experience. i understand, i really do. im proud that they got much better and are doing something they enjoy. they deserve it
I don't know the creator of that youtube channel, but I surely know he is quietly suffering when he made those videos.
Honestly, it seems to me that all this anger and darkness came form a place of deep compassion/empathy for others- caring for those suffering in hell, being angry at a god who would allow pain to exist in such a way, etc. I myself am pretty compassionate and the burnout I deal with not only trying to keep up with the news but watch out for the people I love is overwhelming sometimes. It's hard for people with very high compassion/empathy to go through life without becoming hardened or cynical towards the horrors of the world or towards religion and I'm glad at least this guy got help and is doing better with his mental health.
As someone as cynical as Diogenes, I can relate to the creator. He has one thing correct. Choose ignorance and keep wearing your rose tinted spectacles everyone! It'll keep you sane. I'm afraid I didn't heed my own advice, lol.
Dude that saved a loved one was deep and kinda sad in a way
as a part religious guy, i think his words are food for though? your thoughts and opinions are shaped on what you see. This man was simply in a void, he saw all hope was gone, but happiness seeped in and he is likely doing much better now.
pretty wholesome.
Dude the childs family part is fucking deep and made me chill to the bone lmao
I’m very suspicious of this channel your telling me about
They were depressed. The person who runs the channel is much healthier and happier now!
2:04 i remember when i saw another video also talking about Imaginedom, and the dude managed to find the source of that scream, man it's really fucked up
Looking at the comments I can't help but think of how hostile and pushy religious people are toward people who has suffered from abuse and thus become distrustful toward the existence of god.
You can believe what you want but don't disregard others who has suffered, you don't know what they have been through.
I agree, I’m a Christian and I would never show hate towards another human bc it is what I’m taught
i think the second image is possibly about the torture method "a thousand cuts", pretty self explanatory
2:05 thats jesse's scream from breaking bad, if you didint know.
nope, it's the audio of the "Ruth price 911 call."
I actually recently became friends with FlamePillowm (or formerly known as Imaginedom) They're pretty cool
This guy made my brain rethink all my life all over again
I'm so happy that the guy who made these videos is doing better. His animation videos are good and he actually gives some good advice now. Crazy how quickly someone can change
This is some edgy middle school tier philosophy. Le humins bad. Le gawd naut reel.
its not its a lot more then some middle school shit is that a excuse to ignore what we do
@@tamplushboy8452 shut up
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Oh, THAT'S why that channel's editing reminded me so much of yours, especially the, like.. VHS font zoom-in and slow fading out
I thought it was just something people were starting to do nowadays, but it's actually you haha
Subbed with notifications on for both channels :)
i kinda wanna meet this person. i actually apreciate the way this person decided to adress his/her thoughts and believes. while every other simialr person would start hating or fighting with the oposing side instead of having a proper debate. i have so much respect for the creator of that channel and i hope that they're having a better life right now.
This guy has to be a troubled theist.
14:12 "We're fools whether we dance or not, so we might as well dance"
To be honest, I don't hate this channel but neither I support it.
He is right about humanity. But the thoughts of suicide, I don't support.
Thank God this person finally isn't suffering anymore
6 minutes in, and so far I really agree with this person and his perspective
Imaginedom’s visual style kinda reminds me of the band venom.
Ps. I love the Zelda music at one point in the vid,
Also, the creator (now known as flame pillow) does animations and Chibi art,
thats it? thats the UA-cam's most mysterious Channel?
It was all Just an edgy Kid editing
7:08 okay this got me so Mad, he thinks that god send all these pain just to torture us, *NO* ! He gives us challenges, temptations, all these suffering over wordly things just to test the endurance of our faith. Remember the story of Job and the Seed that fell on the rocky soil of the Parable of the Sower.
But I'm glad that this person has gotten better, I hope he is always healthy and strong in faith so that he can get a better insight and view of God.
This one is the most interesting. I really agree that there are people on earth who should not be parents. Whether is those who are out for selfish purposes to them not having the proper experience to raise a child. This world can be aggressive, scary and unpredictable.
9:09 i agree, there should be a parenting license of some sort
Honestly I'm of the opinion most in hell don't deserve hell tho some definitely do unfortunately :(
Also they definitely share a lot of the same views as me it's very interesting ... I understand their pain at least to some extent. I need to go check this channel out myself..
2:06 that screaming low key sounds like the Ruth price 911 call for some reason
id just save any animal no matter what it is if i see something suffering i wanna help wether it be duck or blobfish i wanna help
It would suffer more if it stayed alive. It would die a slow, painful death when saved, but a fast one if left to the turtle.
@@watchmychannelorelse or we could use modern technology to help the animal live a perfectly normal life bro sheeeesh its not that deep
I did not expect this topic but this is overall a pleasant surprise
Which I’m guessing means that during this time they were facing a incredibly dark moment of their life so I’m happy that it seems they’re better now.
The picture that is showcased after the brazen bull is torture method called Lingchi (aka lingering death, slow slicing and death by a thousand cuts). (I think not so sure lmao)
As a Christian I think this is interesting, it ain't right morally, but it's interesting
1:27 It's a person tied to a large stick waiting to get burnt down
13:07 ITS MORBIN TIME
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I know the guy was going through really, really rough things in life back then; and I'm glad that he's okay now.
But seriously that "Pray for those in hell line" but makes me chuckle a bit.
I mean, if hell does exist. Why tf would I wanna pray for people like Hitler, Pol Pot; Peter Sculley, Jeffrey Dahmer...
Yet, the line also really creeps me the fuck out.
I relate to this channel and understand his perspective a lot more than seems comfortable and healthy... especially about God and the nature of humanity. Why is there so much suffering in the world? If God truly loves us, then why does He allow so much pain and suffering?
And perhaps most frightening of all I really understand what he's saying about euthanasia.
I'm afraid because I thought I had recovered from my depression but I'm wondering if I really haven't and if there's any hope for me to be an actually balanced person capable of surviving on her own
FNaF doesn't haunt me in my sleep.
Poppy Playtime doesn't haunt me in my sleep.
The Walten Files doesn't haunt me in my sleep.
Harmony & Horror doesn't haunt me in my sleep.
The Mandela Catalogue doesn't haunt me in my sleep.
Heck, the SMILE tapes don't evem haunt me in my sleep.
But this... *_*this some real nightmare shit...*_*
1:01 1:36 10:00 But bro's got a point.
As a Christian I can confirm this channel was truly unholy