Nah his widow is also terrible. Notice how he only hshots people standing still/orisa’s huge head & as soon as he gets pressured to do anything other than stand still and shoot he dies
Yeah, its awesome. Flats, when he does it, is super clear that he's not there to coach you, he's there to roast you. Emongg? He can't help himself, he's just wired differently, he'll just start trying to help you, even if its just something to watch with popcorn or the like.
yeh, much more enjoyable to watch than Flats who's just kind of a high horse bully at times. I genuinely really like how emongg gives sincere advice instead of "haha turn on your monitor and you'll be Diamond"
'You're not the tank, you're not the tank, you're not the tank.' I tell myself this all the time since switching to a dps player, from playing tank for 6 years.
I am a tank main, so I'm sure that has something to do with it. I like getting in there and brawling and it's a mindset I have to break myself out of sometimes.
Thanks for spectating me Emongg! A few thoughts: - I'm not sure why I didn't take high ground more, I instinctively know to, but sometimes I just don't. That is something I've been trying to get better at more consistently, but I definitely tunnel vision. - Torb is definitely not a comfort pick for me. An annoying Tracer is something I struggle with and I probably let them get in my head too much. I also don't have an explanation for why I didn't ult on that first point there lol - On Sym I legitimately forgot that I can ult from spawn (also not a comfort pick). No excuses there. - I have a lot of hours on Widow, which is why my aim isn't the worst, but I think I'm just not used to getting punished as much as I should be for swinging wide or standing in the open because I've been in low ELO for so long. More often than not I outduel other Widows in my ELO, but as soon as I start getting pressed I swap, so I don't end up climbing with her. - Another comment I'll make is that I almost exclusively played quick play for most of Overwatch 1. I only started playing Competitive later in OW1 and especially in OW2 so I think I ingrained a lot of habits from more casual playing that I'm still trying to correct. Not that it's an excuse for bad play, but for a long time I never seriously put the effort in to actually be a better player. When I did put in more effort it was usually on tank, as I'm a tank main and have generally enjoyed that role the most. - Another thing I've noticed about myself is I get impatient. A perfect example is that shot on the deflecting genji. In hindsight I don't know WHY I did that, because he was obviously deflecting. I legitimately just think I got impatient and/or panicked. - I've gone back up to Silver since. Hopefully this time I can stay there!
Hey, I just want to know are these 1000 hours split with very few hours per month for the past 6 years or have you been playing a decent amount for the last 2-3 years
watch this guy A10 and some of his OW2 unranked to GMs or just other guides. When i got back into the game i was bronze 4, 2 seasons later im diamond 1 playing masters 5 lobbies. He is the only reason for that
It kinda crazy how they have Widow duel in Bronze and I'm here just spamming left click as Mei , wall off the enemy Tank and somehow got to Plat without realizing I can change Ice Wall direction by pressing it again.
@@bunbunvex6222 I genuinely cant fathom how people get stuck in bronze, it has to be just a hardstuck account or something because so many people I see stuck in bronze definitely could be in at the very least silver, its wild
@Farrar fr in open que I only play support and I'm in gold atm, I was gold last season too and almost reached Plat only playing support. Then I play role que as support and am bronze 5 because of a massive losing streak -_- I've never even touched gold in role que support but nearly made Plat in open que only playing support.
I love that he is more excited when they do well then for the opportunity to make fun of them 18:55 I think a live coaching video would be so fun to watch
As someone who almost exclusively plays support, if you're in the back-back line (like widow, or maybe hanzo/ash) I might not notice you've been hit until it's too late. A single "I need healing" is VERY helpful.
Hello Bob, if you read this. Try to stick to one hero or two. You seem to enjoy Widow, focus on her. Maybe with Torb, if you struggle against flankers. You're playing too many heroes, it's better to stick to a few and to know how to play them well. This is coming from someone who spent a lot of years in bronze. And I got out by one tricking Soldier, and then I did the same on Ashe and then Hanzo. It's the most efficient way to climb up.
Good advice! I mostly play hitscan - I flip between Ashe, Soldier and Widow depending on situation. But I won't lie I get spooked by a decent flanker like Tracer, Genji or Sombra. I probably panic a bit too much. The Torb was very much not a comfort pick for me, if that wasn't obvious lol. I have started going Sym more, mostly to counter annoying flankers and melting tanks (even if I didn't use her to her full advantage here), but only in those situations. I do enjoy Widow a lot, but in this ELO everyone is very quick to blame the Widow when things go bad - and honestly sometimes I am the problem.
@@Eadwulf_Skald Pushed into plat once but then fell back down. But i'm okay with it, i play to have fun not to win, if that makes sense? So comp doesn't bother me that much
@@MishimaTyler As someone who got placed in diamond on DPS my first time: this is so accurate. Only way I can play is turning off voice and text chat. otherwise I get pissed off at people.
im a qp fiend but watching these have made me want to go back into comp...i started actually using high ground as dva after watching emongg spectating vods and it has made SO much difference lol
I've been playing since the launch of OW1. I was bronze there and I'm still bronze now. I make it to silver every now and then and the highest I ever made it was gold on OW1. I'm sure my mechanical skill has improved over time but I just must not be good enough to climb, since I've never managed to consistently. I do love the advice given in these reviews and I'm gonna keep trying to improve my own game sense.
Practice your aim with VAXTA and see how many levels you can push. Focus on 2 characters max per role. Watch an unranked to GM video on both characters to copy positioning and rotations on every map. Keep playing to improve. OW2 was both my first FPS and moba so there was a big learning curve. Since lowering my dpi and practicing VAXTA I have improved my abysmal aim alot. Now I just need to keep playing to improve my knowledge. I am currently silver climbing to gold so this is the extent of what I think is best route to improvement
How this person plays currently: "There are people in front of me now, whats the most direct way to kill them" How this person should play: "How do I best contribute to us winning the upcoming fight?.. hmm I almost have my ult, I should probably just farm some body shots and then push the fight into our advantage once it breaks out" But yea this is the epitome of Bronze, and the matchmaker realized you didn't belong in Silver and got you back down where your skill level is matched. You say you feel like you have good game sense, but in reality you have abysmal game sense. Ult tracking and that kinda stuff is only: 1, relevant if the ult tracking actually informs your gameplay changes, and 2, not relevant for your skill rank in the first place. It's like a cook saying they know all the spices in the Indian cuisine, but they can't even begin to apply that knowledge because they don't know how an induction stove works and their non-inductive pot wont heat up. Basics, my dude. Basics. You lack the utmost fundamentals of gamesense, so worrying about ult tracking has no purpose until you understand the 10 steps that come before that. 1. Angles 2. Basic win conditions 3. Rotating positions 4. Basic map advantages 5. Timing your engages 6. Using good sight lines 7. Basic foresight 8. Cooldown and ability management 9. Fundamental mechanics / aim 10. Basic target prediction Work on these in whatever order you prefer, and then spend another 100 hours honing them. THEN stuff like ult tracking may give you an advantage in fights. Right now it's most likely more of a hinderance to you than if you just didn't try to track at all.
Ult tracking helps me as a support main knowing when to save sleep/suzu. It also helps in the rein 1v1s knowing if they have shatter or not. I think it's less useful for someone like a widow, soldier, torb because ok what are you going to do with that information anyway
@@khaledm.1476 Sure it's useful, but it's not worth being the focus of improvement at this rank. Ult tracking may prevent/stabilize a disadvantageous fight once or twice per match at most at bronze-gold, but basic game sense and fundamentals will give an advantage every single fight. My point was about priority of effort more than anything, and putting an active effort into ult tracking is straight up not the right place to put your focus if you wanna climb out of Bronze. At this rank, ult tracking only makes sense if you have an easy way of preventing the enemy ult, or the enemy has an easy way of preventing yours. If you can block enemy shatter by just putting up your shield, then yes a bit of ult tracking is usedul for that specific scenario. Or if you're Genji and the enemy team has Zen or Lucio, you know they can prevent your ult by one click of a button and that is worth consideration. But in general, ult tracking as a whole is a wasted effort in terms of priority.
@@Real_MisterSir I think ult tracking just comes with experience I am not really stressing my mind to ult track. I can just tell by how much time has passed and how aggressive the dps/tank is being right now. It's my job as ana to be able to sleep the reaper blossom, nanoing a teammate to save them from blade or sleeping the genji all together. It's a pretty useful skill if you actually can prevent their ults. Also it needs 0 improvement once you get the hang of it. I think they should be working on the other things because ult tracking is a pretty easy skill to master and they can focus on the other skills
i am the same way. i feel like my game sense is good and my mechanical skill is decent. seeing videos like these where things are fully explained as opposed to dunking on them and being angry while coaching is so good!
Another thing is the way you drop torb and symmetra turrets. If they face the other way instead of where they are supposed to focus they take a bit more time turning around
On Widow, he shot at the tank too much imho. He definitely tried to hit non-Widow squishies and got a bodyshot or two in, but he could have focused more on them considering how little consideration they had for his LoS. (Great example being Kiriko at like 2:28. She got body shot, left LoS, and basically got right back into it before being fully healed.) Another note, but I think he could do well with taking some deep breaths when playing Widow! He hit some good shots at range, but as soon as they got close he entirely lost his composure and panicked. Knowing how to breath when that happens can help a lot.
The unfortunate thing with his Soldier play near the end is that he clearly wanted high ground but didn't know how to get up there. He should probably try to learn the maps better but I also think after 1k hours you should know better 🤷🏻♂️
I don't know how or why I got lost there. I tunnel visioned and forgot where I was, it doesn't usually happen lol. You're not wrong though, I should definitely know better!
to be honest simply pre scoping around corners would make him way better. Many times he's wasting time going out of cover and scoping only half a second later
I think the biggest glaring issues, that I see, are ability usage, aim tracking (very apparent on the soldier), and positioning. Widow aim seems decent but the rest of the picks didn't look great. I wonder how much mouse room they have.
Widow aim still isn't good, they've just built some very unfortunate flick habits to overcompensate for their lazy aim and tracking. If they just reworked their aim style entirely and focused 50% more energy on crosshair pre-aim, and used flicks for micro adjustments, they could improve drastically (not just on Widow, but all ranged dps)
Most glaring thing to me is firing too soon. When they hit shots it _almost_ kills them. Sure aim and tracking could be increased, but the lack of lethality on the hits they do get could easily be fixed by waiting longer.
Mouse room is a little bit of an issue, not going to lie. But not bad enough to be an excuse. I'm usually better on Soldier than I was on this game. That definitely wasn't my best Soldier gameplay. But obviously if I was consistently better, I would be higher than I am!
@@bobrulzbob, I'm not a DPS player so I can't give any decent advice. I'm a support main and don't feel confident enough to give any tips. but I will say I like your vibe, and your humility and approach to the game will serve you very well as you climb. being a good teammate is, imo, more important than having super duper cracked aim. this is a team game, after all. obviously hero and role specific skills are important! but the ability to work as a member of a team is just as, if not more, important looking forward to supporting you in my gold or plat games, depending on where the game decides to put me when I finish enough games to get a ranking lol
As a support main, I mostly get annoyed with people saying they need healing, especially if they spam it. But I have, on occasion, laughed out of embarrassment when I’m busy thinking about strategy or looking for the Widow between fights, and someone right next to me needed to be healed. Oopsie. 😂
I played mostly support as well. In the beginning it really annoys me but the more I play, I'm beginning to appreciate ppl who press the "I need healing" button. Lol. Sometimes u get so focused on tank that back line heroes like widow or echo, pharah gets neglected. So those call outs for healing are very useful.
i spam it when i’m literally standing right next to them with 2 supps and they aren’t even healing. like u can’t even pay attention even when someone is spamming it right next to u?
i only get annoyed by spam, if they say it WHILE im healing them, and if they're right in front of me. like yeah, i have eyes thanks. but i truly encourage people to press i need healing if they're behind their supports (like widows) and you're in active danger or it's been a second since you took some damage because sometimes the fight gets chaotic and i don't notice. i have well trained ears to any sort of pained sound in this game, and i often look to where i know people are playing out of my LOS to make sure they're still okay, and even sometimes i miss it. the voiceline also provides a direction sound cue that's super helpful! it's far better than staying silent or even saying it in team chat. another thing i HATE is when someone spams it when they're completely FINE. i had a mercy one time spam it constantly while i was playing kiri and she didn't take any damage at all. it was so distracting to me (because i take care of my other support first and foremost) that i couldn't even play the game. i finally told them to shut up and their duo called ME the toxic one 😭😭 never wanted to leave a match so bad in my life
as a support main, if you need healing, tap i need healing once or twice (i get twice if ur on low hp and literally terrified lol) and say thanks! after and ill love you forever LOL
THIS IS MY BROHTER HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! I'm so excited for this. So he's gold tank. I'm pretty sure he just didn't really switch his brain from GOTTA BE IN FRONT!
Idk why everyone in twitch chat and even some of these comments are being so cruel. Guys, he’s bronze, he’s not gonna be insane, he’s not even gonna be average, be nicer :(
I think this player should just play Ashe/Cass until they hit at least gold. In bronze making big damage number and playing closer to your team is gonna work out better than getting the odd pick from way back. In bronze, noq one heals Widow, no one peels and enemies don't respect your sightlines meaning that one of Widow's main uses, area control/denial, doesn't even matter. Widow is so strong for three reasons: Area control, kills, and psychological pressure. In bronze you only have kills because no one respects your sightlines and unless you almost insta-headshot every time, them not respecting your sightlines is not in your favour. Just play Ashe/Soldier/Cass until gold then bring out the Widow again. You can play Widow exactly how you play her in this video in Gold and enemies will absolutely fear your sightlines allowing you to get more value on Widow. If you're deadset on playing Widow then you gotta get more consistent kills or alternatively become a body-shot bandit and make big damage number. Big damage number, although a meme, actually works in bronze/silver.
I actually hit a similar tracer ult in the EXACT same place on that map and blew up 3 then killed the tank and other support somehow killing the whole team, honestly those plays are the reason people play tracer
As someone who plays torb the turret placements hurt, throwing them in the open isn’t a bad idea but they take so long to build it’s just a waste of an ability, honestly I’ll chuck it right out of spawn on my way back to the battle just in case someone tries to get a cheeky flank, same with symetra, you get the best use out of his turret when you place it somewhere cheeky, somewhere people will need to LOOK AWAY from your team, because say the DPS and tank don’t notice it but the supports do, that means one of the supports is going to need to turn their attention away from the fight to deal with it.
started playing overwatch for the first time february 2023. i have 240 hours total. i’m brand new to kbm as well and so far i got to plat 4 (hardstuck plat) as a one trick ashe and i’m diamond 4 in support.
as currently mostly a noob support player i kinda like it when someone uses the heeling call once cause sometmes i didnt notice they were behind me when focussing on the other teammates and i know i should look around more prolly, but it doesnt hurt to call some attention to yourself when youre dying
Question if your dedicated to playing widow during third point like the submitter would it be better to use the machine gun for poke since it is a closed in area?
Seeing those Bronze games makes me less and less inclined to try comp because my aim is negative in comparison to some of the players here... At least Mystery Heroes is fun and no one is toxic there.
The need healing button is so criminally misused. Theres people like this who refuse to use it despite the supports clearly not noticing. And then theres people like SupNotHealer who takes one shot behind me and spams the button while i fend off the person who shot them and while im actively healing them. I just assume the people spamming the button cross-map have no team awareness, and thats why they always die while neglecting LOS
Honestly I find myself flicking off shots too but I line up shots with projectile then flick off for the read I also do it with hit scan and well that doesn't work with the zero travel time and all
I saw the title and I lowkey thought it was me even though I've never submitted a replay lol. Like I have 2000 hours in this game and I recently fell to bronze from mid gold/ sometimes plat lol
Oh wow, what happened?? Just a lot of back to back losses? Are you seeing any trends that might have contributed? My personal frustration is that on DPS but I was placed in silver in season 1 of Overwatch and it was a BIZARRE struggle to climb up to even mid-gold. My main issue has been that I can't get healing very easily. The positioning that I would take in plat/diamond games isn't compatible with silver/gold games because healers are always front-lining and if you aren't standing directly in front of them spamming 'I need healing' they won't even notice you're in the game.
@@snipingway I've been struggling a lot recently and I would say the trend is leavers. The worst was I went 5-10 with 7 of my losses being early game leavers.
@@snipingway I think it's a combination of bad luck and really horrible controller drift. Also, I've noticed that once I lose multiple games in a row, I kinda get in this negative mindset where a part of me goes in thinking that I'm going to lose, so I start making really dumb decisions and I'm not at my A game. Like I'm not actively throwing and I'm still trying, it's just that I'm doing things I know are dumb, the second after I do it. However, thankfully, the last few days I've been doing really good again and I'm back up to gold Ironically enough though, I've noticed that some of my games in low bronze were way harder than my gold games lol. As for support, I honestly think it's because I started playing kirko. The thing is though, I'm not even a bad kirko I don't think as usually, I'll always get the most healing on both teams by 2-3k , I'll save my teammates and stuff but I think I'm still doing something wrong with her because when I play mercy we usually win lol. With tank idk even know because I'm definitely not the best, but I feel like I do my job.
the torb turret should somewhere it can be when they push through and a genji or tracer comes through or you can put it in the open and get destroyed in 3 shots
I’m like 95% sure that I’ve played in bronze with this person! I ran across them a few times when I was at the bottom of the barrel a few years back when my SR was just 500< 😂
I thought I was the only person with the flicking off of a shot problem. I don't know what causes it! I'll have a shot perfectly lined up and then I'll just--flick.
@overwatch 2 hater There are people who stick with one, they are people with bad aim. Usually people who only use their wrist and have way too high of a sens
winston is pretty good against squishies and sym isn’t a mobile or tanky squishy. Plus he can get multiple torb turrets at once. Additionally using your bubble and bubble weaving the sym gets very little value from the beam if u bubble weave correctly
Ignoring the game sense comment, I feel like commending them for taking that first step to say there is something wrong with their habits which has them stuck in bronze.
i started playing ow seriously this ssn (started ssn1 of ow2) hit plat in dps in my first 5 wins and got gold in my first 5 wins on supp, how in gods name can u be bronze (i have no mechanics either my aim is horrendous)
That bronze tracer pulse bomb at 5:13 was better than any Jay3 pulse bomb I've ever seen.
I can hear Jay3 in my head saying "Why am I catching strays??"
catching strays on a different persons video lmao
Hella rude.
@@WolfRites jay3 literally makes fun of his own pulse bombs and from what ive seen he hasnt told his viewers to stop making fun of them
@@yoshizzx not like I was being serious, little dude
He had ok mechanics on widow, On torb he had the mechanical skill of a dying blind duck, How does that even work!?
Widow is hitscan, Torb is projectile. Swapping between the two is hard.
Torb's gun is a slow arcing projectile. Widow's is a hitscan.
Tbh I think torb has the hardest primary fire in the game to get used to.
Nah his widow is also terrible. Notice how he only hshots people standing still/orisa’s huge head & as soon as he gets pressured to do anything other than stand still and shoot he dies
@@ididgood5775 ...compared to what? He is bronze, not kephri, lol.
Dude got a triple on first point attack, yer bein too harsh
@@skinnysnorlax1876 gotta boost his ego somehow. Even if it means shitting on bronze player
I really love how Emongg always stays so encouraging while giving advice during these VOD reviews.
Yeah, its awesome. Flats, when he does it, is super clear that he's not there to coach you, he's there to roast you. Emongg? He can't help himself, he's just wired differently, he'll just start trying to help you, even if its just something to watch with popcorn or the like.
Bro that pfp so goofy I looked at that and thought you were gay asf
yeh, much more enjoyable to watch than Flats who's just kind of a high horse bully at times. I genuinely really like how emongg gives sincere advice instead of "haha turn on your monitor and you'll be Diamond"
'You're not the tank, you're not the tank, you're not the tank.' I tell myself this all the time since switching to a dps player, from playing tank for 6 years.
I switched from dps to tank and am fighting my urge to flank
It feels pretty weird when I switch from 7 matches of support to tank because it's a major mindset shift
I am a tank main, so I'm sure that has something to do with it. I like getting in there and brawling and it's a mindset I have to break myself out of sometimes.
me as a support main chanting "youre not a support youre not a support" when i play dps and run from scary engagements
I haven’t flanked since dps doom mainly cause I play hitscans now but if they brought dps doom back I’ll be flanking every time 💀
Thanks for spectating me Emongg!
A few thoughts:
- I'm not sure why I didn't take high ground more, I instinctively know to, but sometimes I just don't. That is something I've been trying to get better at more consistently, but I definitely tunnel vision.
- Torb is definitely not a comfort pick for me. An annoying Tracer is something I struggle with and I probably let them get in my head too much. I also don't have an explanation for why I didn't ult on that first point there lol
- On Sym I legitimately forgot that I can ult from spawn (also not a comfort pick). No excuses there.
- I have a lot of hours on Widow, which is why my aim isn't the worst, but I think I'm just not used to getting punished as much as I should be for swinging wide or standing in the open because I've been in low ELO for so long. More often than not I outduel other Widows in my ELO, but as soon as I start getting pressed I swap, so I don't end up climbing with her.
- Another comment I'll make is that I almost exclusively played quick play for most of Overwatch 1. I only started playing Competitive later in OW1 and especially in OW2 so I think I ingrained a lot of habits from more casual playing that I'm still trying to correct. Not that it's an excuse for bad play, but for a long time I never seriously put the effort in to actually be a better player. When I did put in more effort it was usually on tank, as I'm a tank main and have generally enjoyed that role the most.
- Another thing I've noticed about myself is I get impatient. A perfect example is that shot on the deflecting genji. In hindsight I don't know WHY I did that, because he was obviously deflecting. I legitimately just think I got impatient and/or panicked.
- I've gone back up to Silver since. Hopefully this time I can stay there!
hope ya manage to climb up the ladder friend
i wish you luck in your climbing journey my friend :3
Hey, I just want to know are these 1000 hours split with very few hours per month for the past 6 years or have you been playing a decent amount for the last 2-3 years
watch this guy A10 and some of his OW2 unranked to GMs or just other guides. When i got back into the game i was bronze 4, 2 seasons later im diamond 1 playing masters 5 lobbies. He is the only reason for that
@@mrgiraffe1577 Slowed down a lot late in OW1 but have played a lot of OW2
Man... I feel this person's pain being a bronze that kissed silver and went back down to bronze...
Anyone can escape bronze if they improve their positioning in accordance with the brawl, poke and dive concept.
@@williamlevy6964 5-0 and still bronze 5
It kinda crazy how they have Widow duel in Bronze and I'm here just spamming left click as Mei , wall off the enemy Tank and somehow got to Plat without realizing I can change Ice Wall direction by pressing it again.
@@bunbunvex6222 I genuinely cant fathom how people get stuck in bronze, it has to be just a hardstuck account or something because so many people I see stuck in bronze definitely could be in at the very least silver, its wild
@Farrar fr in open que I only play support and I'm in gold atm, I was gold last season too and almost reached Plat only playing support. Then I play role que as support and am bronze 5 because of a massive losing streak -_- I've never even touched gold in role que support but nearly made Plat in open que only playing support.
big bad chat making fun of the missed shots of the bronze asking for help on what he can do better
9:36 torb ult behind the enemy Would've been a garuanteed team wipe. As they'd have to choose between running through coom or into an ulting ramattra
I love that he is more excited when they do well then for the opportunity to make fun of them 18:55 I think a live coaching video would be so fun to watch
Man was saving torb ult for OW3
As someone who almost exclusively plays support, if you're in the back-back line (like widow, or maybe hanzo/ash) I might not notice you've been hit until it's too late.
A single "I need healing" is VERY helpful.
Hello Bob, if you read this.
Try to stick to one hero or two. You seem to enjoy Widow, focus on her. Maybe with Torb, if you struggle against flankers.
You're playing too many heroes, it's better to stick to a few and to know how to play them well. This is coming from someone who spent a lot of years in bronze. And I got out by one tricking Soldier, and then I did the same on Ashe and then Hanzo. It's the most efficient way to climb up.
Good advice! I mostly play hitscan - I flip between Ashe, Soldier and Widow depending on situation. But I won't lie I get spooked by a decent flanker like Tracer, Genji or Sombra. I probably panic a bit too much.
The Torb was very much not a comfort pick for me, if that wasn't obvious lol. I have started going Sym more, mostly to counter annoying flankers and melting tanks (even if I didn't use her to her full advantage here), but only in those situations.
I do enjoy Widow a lot, but in this ELO everyone is very quick to blame the Widow when things go bad - and honestly sometimes I am the problem.
@@bobrulzembrace the Rat
Got 1200 hours myself and i've been a mid-high gold since 2017, so i feel this mans pain a little.
That is unfortunate! Ever pushed into Plat or not at all?
Honestly enjoy while you’re in gold, if you ever go up to about diamond it’s toxic as hell and nobody seems to just be having fun.
@@Eadwulf_Skald Pushed into plat once but then fell back down. But i'm okay with it, i play to have fun not to win, if that makes sense? So comp doesn't bother me that much
@@MishimaTyler As someone who got placed in diamond on DPS my first time: this is so accurate.
Only way I can play is turning off voice and text chat. otherwise I get pissed off at people.
@@Chaotic_B I'm the same way! Playing for fun and just relaxing mostly. Then again I basically just go into comp to play Sombra so I might be evil...
im a qp fiend but watching these have made me want to go back into comp...i started actually using high ground as dva after watching emongg spectating vods and it has made SO much difference lol
Fr I only started taking comp seriously this year.
Emongg was giving tips and encouraging him meanwhile his chat was trash talking like crazy
I've been playing since the launch of OW1. I was bronze there and I'm still bronze now. I make it to silver every now and then and the highest I ever made it was gold on OW1. I'm sure my mechanical skill has improved over time but I just must not be good enough to climb, since I've never managed to consistently. I do love the advice given in these reviews and I'm gonna keep trying to improve my own game sense.
Out of curiosity are you a higher bronze in ow2 than you were in ow1? I’ve noticed a lot of players ranks have gone higher in ow2
Practice your aim with VAXTA and see how many levels you can push.
Focus on 2 characters max per role. Watch an unranked to GM video on both characters to copy positioning and rotations on every map.
Keep playing to improve. OW2 was both my first FPS and moba so there was a big learning curve. Since lowering my dpi and practicing VAXTA I have improved my abysmal aim alot.
Now I just need to keep playing to improve my knowledge. I am currently silver climbing to gold so this is the extent of what I think is best route to improvement
Anyone else gonna say? Ight I will.
BOB! DO SOMETHING!
How this person plays currently: "There are people in front of me now, whats the most direct way to kill them"
How this person should play: "How do I best contribute to us winning the upcoming fight?.. hmm I almost have my ult, I should probably just farm some body shots and then push the fight into our advantage once it breaks out"
But yea this is the epitome of Bronze, and the matchmaker realized you didn't belong in Silver and got you back down where your skill level is matched. You say you feel like you have good game sense, but in reality you have abysmal game sense. Ult tracking and that kinda stuff is only: 1, relevant if the ult tracking actually informs your gameplay changes, and 2, not relevant for your skill rank in the first place. It's like a cook saying they know all the spices in the Indian cuisine, but they can't even begin to apply that knowledge because they don't know how an induction stove works and their non-inductive pot wont heat up.
Basics, my dude. Basics. You lack the utmost fundamentals of gamesense, so worrying about ult tracking has no purpose until you understand the 10 steps that come before that.
1. Angles
2. Basic win conditions
3. Rotating positions
4. Basic map advantages
5. Timing your engages
6. Using good sight lines
7. Basic foresight
8. Cooldown and ability management
9. Fundamental mechanics / aim
10. Basic target prediction
Work on these in whatever order you prefer, and then spend another 100 hours honing them. THEN stuff like ult tracking may give you an advantage in fights. Right now it's most likely more of a hinderance to you than if you just didn't try to track at all.
Ult tracking helps me as a support main knowing when to save sleep/suzu. It also helps in the rein 1v1s knowing if they have shatter or not.
I think it's less useful for someone like a widow, soldier, torb because ok what are you going to do with that information anyway
@@khaledm.1476 Sure it's useful, but it's not worth being the focus of improvement at this rank. Ult tracking may prevent/stabilize a disadvantageous fight once or twice per match at most at bronze-gold, but basic game sense and fundamentals will give an advantage every single fight. My point was about priority of effort more than anything, and putting an active effort into ult tracking is straight up not the right place to put your focus if you wanna climb out of Bronze.
At this rank, ult tracking only makes sense if you have an easy way of preventing the enemy ult, or the enemy has an easy way of preventing yours. If you can block enemy shatter by just putting up your shield, then yes a bit of ult tracking is usedul for that specific scenario. Or if you're Genji and the enemy team has Zen or Lucio, you know they can prevent your ult by one click of a button and that is worth consideration. But in general, ult tracking as a whole is a wasted effort in terms of priority.
@@Real_MisterSir I think ult tracking just comes with experience I am not really stressing my mind to ult track. I can just tell by how much time has passed and how aggressive the dps/tank is being right now.
It's my job as ana to be able to sleep the reaper blossom, nanoing a teammate to save them from blade or sleeping the genji all together. It's a pretty useful skill if you actually can prevent their ults. Also it needs 0 improvement once you get the hang of it.
I think they should be working on the other things because ult tracking is a pretty easy skill to master and they can focus on the other skills
man reading bobs self description hit a little too close to home lol
Lol, I mark them packs for them as zen 😂😂😂
I'm glad emongg isn't dooming over pve. Great content as always
It's so refreshing
I mean, he maybe should be, but content is still good
he's such a sweet positive person. i love that about him
@@ErikratKhandnalie why tho? he's a positive guy
if he shits on pve and ow in general, it means less money for him :)
i am the same way. i feel like my game sense is good and my mechanical skill is decent. seeing videos like these where things are fully explained as opposed to dunking on them and being angry while coaching is so good!
My favorite thing is people 1hp spamming I need healing while the other support is dead and they're standing directly beside a mega.
Another thing is the way you drop torb and symmetra turrets. If they face the other way instead of where they are supposed to focus they take a bit more time turning around
gets ult as widow: uses it right away
gets ult as torb/sym: waits until the round ends before remembering they have an ult
I have a friend who is in silver/gold and he often forgets he has emp lmao
5:44 has me fucking belly laughing dude “ITS TIME LETS GO” 😭
I always get anxious when someone stops moving just to slowly aim, i feel always theres a headshot coming right away xD
Emongg’s encouragement and his excitement over a good play is everything 🥺🥺
On Widow, he shot at the tank too much imho. He definitely tried to hit non-Widow squishies and got a bodyshot or two in, but he could have focused more on them considering how little consideration they had for his LoS. (Great example being Kiriko at like 2:28. She got body shot, left LoS, and basically got right back into it before being fully healed.)
Another note, but I think he could do well with taking some deep breaths when playing Widow! He hit some good shots at range, but as soon as they got close he entirely lost his composure and panicked. Knowing how to breath when that happens can help a lot.
The unfortunate thing with his Soldier play near the end is that he clearly wanted high ground but didn't know how to get up there. He should probably try to learn the maps better but I also think after 1k hours you should know better 🤷🏻♂️
I don't know how or why I got lost there. I tunnel visioned and forgot where I was, it doesn't usually happen lol. You're not wrong though, I should definitely know better!
to be honest simply pre scoping around corners would make him way better. Many times he's wasting time going out of cover and scoping only half a second later
I think the biggest glaring issues, that I see, are ability usage, aim tracking (very apparent on the soldier), and positioning. Widow aim seems decent but the rest of the picks didn't look great. I wonder how much mouse room they have.
Widow aim still isn't good, they've just built some very unfortunate flick habits to overcompensate for their lazy aim and tracking.
If they just reworked their aim style entirely and focused 50% more energy on crosshair pre-aim, and used flicks for micro adjustments, they could improve drastically (not just on Widow, but all ranged dps)
Most glaring thing to me is firing too soon. When they hit shots it _almost_ kills them. Sure aim and tracking could be increased, but the lack of lethality on the hits they do get could easily be fixed by waiting longer.
Mouse room is a little bit of an issue, not going to lie. But not bad enough to be an excuse.
I'm usually better on Soldier than I was on this game. That definitely wasn't my best Soldier gameplay. But obviously if I was consistently better, I would be higher than I am!
@@bobrulzbob, I'm not a DPS player so I can't give any decent advice. I'm a support main and don't feel confident enough to give any tips. but I will say I like your vibe, and your humility and approach to the game will serve you very well as you climb. being a good teammate is, imo, more important than having super duper cracked aim. this is a team game, after all. obviously hero and role specific skills are important! but the ability to work as a member of a team is just as, if not more, important
looking forward to supporting you in my gold or plat games, depending on where the game decides to put me when I finish enough games to get a ranking lol
I wouldn't say it was a dps battle since it seemed like they lost way more often than they won but they hit some good shots as widow
As a support main, I mostly get annoyed with people saying they need healing, especially if they spam it. But I have, on occasion, laughed out of embarrassment when I’m busy thinking about strategy or looking for the Widow between fights, and someone right next to me needed to be healed.
Oopsie. 😂
I played mostly support as well. In the beginning it really annoys me but the more I play, I'm beginning to appreciate ppl who press the "I need healing" button. Lol. Sometimes u get so focused on tank that back line heroes like widow or echo, pharah gets neglected. So those call outs for healing are very useful.
I support main, and I don't mind it unless they spam.
i spam it when i’m literally standing right next to them with 2 supps and they aren’t even healing. like u can’t even pay attention even when someone is spamming it right next to u?
@@willmcclard206 i mean like the person who wrote the original comment said sometimes they might be preoccupied with a different thought
i only get annoyed by spam, if they say it WHILE im healing them, and if they're right in front of me. like yeah, i have eyes thanks. but i truly encourage people to press i need healing if they're behind their supports (like widows) and you're in active danger or it's been a second since you took some damage because sometimes the fight gets chaotic and i don't notice. i have well trained ears to any sort of pained sound in this game, and i often look to where i know people are playing out of my LOS to make sure they're still okay, and even sometimes i miss it. the voiceline also provides a direction sound cue that's super helpful! it's far better than staying silent or even saying it in team chat.
another thing i HATE is when someone spams it when they're completely FINE. i had a mercy one time spam it constantly while i was playing kiri and she didn't take any damage at all. it was so distracting to me (because i take care of my other support first and foremost) that i couldn't even play the game. i finally told them to shut up and their duo called ME the toxic one 😭😭 never wanted to leave a match so bad in my life
That tip about the sound settings is legit. I only turned it on recently after like 700 hours in this game. It makes such a difference 😭
as a support main, if you need healing, tap i need healing once or twice (i get twice if ur on low hp and literally terrified lol) and say thanks! after and ill love you forever LOL
THIS IS MY BROHTER HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! I'm so excited for this.
So he's gold tank. I'm pretty sure he just didn't really switch his brain from GOTTA BE IN FRONT!
Idk why everyone in twitch chat and even some of these comments are being so cruel. Guys, he’s bronze, he’s not gonna be insane, he’s not even gonna be average, be nicer :(
I think this player should just play Ashe/Cass until they hit at least gold. In bronze making big damage number and playing closer to your team is gonna work out better than getting the odd pick from way back. In bronze, noq one heals Widow, no one peels and enemies don't respect your sightlines meaning that one of Widow's main uses, area control/denial, doesn't even matter. Widow is so strong for three reasons: Area control, kills, and psychological pressure. In bronze you only have kills because no one respects your sightlines and unless you almost insta-headshot every time, them not respecting your sightlines is not in your favour. Just play Ashe/Soldier/Cass until gold then bring out the Widow again. You can play Widow exactly how you play her in this video in Gold and enemies will absolutely fear your sightlines allowing you to get more value on Widow. If you're deadset on playing Widow then you gotta get more consistent kills or alternatively become a body-shot bandit and make big damage number. Big damage number, although a meme, actually works in bronze/silver.
I love how excited you're getting from him doing good. Its so adorable xD
Shut up
This is how i feel as mostly a support main
I actually hit a similar tracer ult in the EXACT same place on that map and blew up 3 then killed the tank and other support somehow killing the whole team, honestly those plays are the reason people play tracer
Kephrii had a great way of saying it. "widow is an attack hero cause you always know where they Wana be."
i want some kind of full analysis on why high ground is good, because its a complex set of benifits
Sometimes just A D strafing can go a long way
As someone who plays torb the turret placements hurt, throwing them in the open isn’t a bad idea but they take so long to build it’s just a waste of an ability, honestly I’ll chuck it right out of spawn on my way back to the battle just in case someone tries to get a cheeky flank, same with symetra, you get the best use out of his turret when you place it somewhere cheeky, somewhere people will need to LOOK AWAY from your team, because say the DPS and tank don’t notice it but the supports do, that means one of the supports is going to need to turn their attention away from the fight to deal with it.
started playing overwatch for the first time february 2023. i have 240 hours total. i’m brand new to kbm as well and so far i got to plat 4 (hardstuck plat) as a one trick ashe and i’m diamond 4 in support.
pat yourself on the back, I guess?
Really love these, keep um up!
as currently mostly a noob support player i kinda like it when someone uses the heeling call once cause sometmes i didnt notice they were behind me when focussing on the other teammates and i know i should look around more prolly, but it doesnt hurt to call some attention to yourself when youre dying
Emonggs enthusiasm is the best!
Anywhere but bronze he'd be dead as soon as the doors open. You don't peek on Junkertown if you don't have to
yeah that lil bit at 6:23 i almost never hear it
Question if your dedicated to playing widow during third point like the submitter would it be better to use the machine gun for poke since it is a closed in area?
I sincerely believe people play with kill feed off and never hold down the tab/back button.
Is it bad that when he was on widow he had better aim than me and I’m in high plat low diamond?
Thanks man haha. You probably have much better positioning though!
Seeing those Bronze games makes me less and less inclined to try comp because my aim is negative in comparison to some of the players here...
At least Mystery Heroes is fun and no one is toxic there.
The need healing button is so criminally misused.
Theres people like this who refuse to use it despite the supports clearly not noticing.
And then theres people like SupNotHealer who takes one shot behind me and spams the button while i fend off the person who shot them and while im actively healing them.
I just assume the people spamming the button cross-map have no team awareness, and thats why they always die while neglecting LOS
1000 hours jeeez
Honestly I find myself flicking off shots too but I line up shots with projectile then flick off for the read I also do it with hit scan and well that doesn't work with the zero travel time and all
I think Genji was waiting for someone to come through TP
I saw the title and I lowkey thought it was me even though I've never submitted a replay lol.
Like I have 2000 hours in this game and I recently fell to bronze from mid gold/ sometimes plat lol
Oh wow, what happened?? Just a lot of back to back losses? Are you seeing any trends that might have contributed?
My personal frustration is that on DPS but I was placed in silver in season 1 of Overwatch and it was a BIZARRE struggle to climb up to even mid-gold. My main issue has been that I can't get healing very easily. The positioning that I would take in plat/diamond games isn't compatible with silver/gold games because healers are always front-lining and if you aren't standing directly in front of them spamming 'I need healing' they won't even notice you're in the game.
@@snipingway I've been struggling a lot recently and I would say the trend is leavers. The worst was I went 5-10 with 7 of my losses being early game leavers.
@@Sothas Ouch, that's really rough.
@@snipingway
I think it's a combination of bad luck and really horrible controller drift. Also, I've noticed that once I lose multiple games in a row, I kinda get in this negative mindset where a part of me goes in thinking that I'm going to lose, so I start making really dumb decisions and I'm not at my A game. Like I'm not actively throwing and I'm still trying, it's just that I'm doing things I know are dumb, the second after I do it. However, thankfully, the last few days I've been doing really good again and I'm back up to gold Ironically enough though, I've noticed that some of my games in low bronze were way harder than my gold games lol.
As for support, I honestly think it's because I started playing kirko. The thing is though, I'm not even a bad kirko I don't think as usually, I'll always get the most healing on both teams by 2-3k , I'll save my teammates and stuff but I think I'm still doing something wrong with her because when I play mercy we usually win lol.
With tank idk even know because I'm definitely not the best, but I feel like I do my job.
That’s me lol
15:37 bro thats literally me w ana sleep
the torb turret should somewhere it can be when they push through and a genji or tracer comes through or you can put it in the open and get destroyed in 3 shots
you can also use a early warning turret for teammates -it al depends but in the open is just wasted
I’m like 95% sure that I’ve played in bronze with this person! I ran across them a few times when I was at the bottom of the barrel a few years back when my SR was just 500< 😂
As a Torb main lately, this play is so triggering
I miss upgrading torbiorins turret to level 3 manually 😢
tf. this guy is better than me.. im in gold dps. hes in the elo hell worse than me
Positioning and aim are his biggest struggles
Why does it seem like bronze player either ult at the worst times or never ult at all?
Where to submit replays?
Man's edging on Torb
Man Twitch chat got SPICY at some points as people were commenting on the guy's play and then getting into arguments with each other
6:05 I literally didn't know this was a setting and I have almost 3k hours in this game.
There are alot of bronze tanks that are really good but don't really play comp usually
Pretty sure if that ram had just blocked ulted and touched he wouldve held the point for enough time in this rank
I thought I was the only person with the flicking off of a shot problem.
I don't know what causes it! I'll have a shot perfectly lined up and then I'll just--flick.
Do you use wrist or whole arm aiming? Might be you have too high of mouse speed.
same,i hate it so much
@overwatch 2 hater Yeah there is. tf?
@overwatch 2 hater There are people who stick with one, they are people with bad aim. Usually people who only use their wrist and have way too high of a sens
@@sonderbain My mouse dpi is 800 & my in game sense is 4.5, so I don't think it's that.
Why do people just keep jumping and doing melee attacks randomly? I don't really get it.
I feel for this bronze player I’m the same way almost
When did emongs twitch chat get toxic
Can someone explain the go Winston to counter Symmetra thing to me?
winston is pretty good against squishies and sym isn’t a mobile or tanky squishy. Plus he can get multiple torb turrets at once. Additionally using your bubble and bubble weaving the sym gets very little value from the beam if u bubble weave correctly
90+% of the time the wall from spawn is a good play.
how does one have "over 1,000 hours" in the game and yet gets lost in junkertown?
yes, hit the I need healing button.
if my team seems healthy i start chuckin kunais, i may not notice if you get low
Just needs a thousand more hours
This is good study material 🤔
Ignoring the game sense comment, I feel like commending them for taking that first step to say there is something wrong with their habits which has them stuck in bronze.
one time i was playing ranked on junker town and my team fully capped in 1 min, the other team had 4 min and they got destroyed lol
nice beard emongg
For bronze team coordination is decent
this widow is better than mine and im plat dps
Dude in chat at 13:11 taking it way too seriously lmao he was being toxic the whole game in chatb
Sully real MVP
Widow players ALWAYS stand still on other champs
i play all day every day as junk and mercy yet i dont even have 500
Dude I'm in Plat and I have just over 300 hours how does this happen to someone😭😭😭
i started playing ow seriously this ssn (started ssn1 of ow2) hit plat in dps in my first 5 wins and got gold in my first 5 wins on supp, how in gods name can u be bronze (i have no mechanics either my aim is horrendous)
1000 hours? game sense? what?
Dude has same the same hours as me on Widow but..
And I thought I was the worst long time player
i played ow2 for 50 hours (never played ow1) and i ranked plat on support and dps bruh
Lower your sensitivity a bit. It will help.