Huge Discovery SHOCKS The Spelunky Community!

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    A huge discovery has just been made Spelunky, possibly the biggest discovery in the game's history. In today's video we talk about what was found and how it affects the Spelunky speedrunning community.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 836

  • @karljobst
    @karljobst  Рік тому +933

    I'm in the process of moving house so videos have been sparse. But I should be moving into my new office early November and I will be pumping things out from then. Plus other things have been happening, I will have a video about it within the next week. Hope you all are well

    • @YourAverageSpelunker
      @YourAverageSpelunker Рік тому +7

      It's all good, i love your videos
      (Especially this one lol)

    • @Singingnoob-3minutesdirty
      @Singingnoob-3minutesdirty Рік тому +8

      Did you get evicted by a Hunstman spider?

    • @MikeWalls7829
      @MikeWalls7829 Рік тому +3

      Your videos have so much work in them I expect them to be sparse, great content takes time.

    • @FrankConnolly8
      @FrankConnolly8 Рік тому +1

      Was that a Wayne's World reference with the 'cannot be killed by conventional means'? I'm saying yes... yes it was

    • @pedropimenta896
      @pedropimenta896 Рік тому +2

      ​@@Singingnoob-3minutesdirty or worse, the greatest gamer of all time!

  • @dude-zr8gi
    @dude-zr8gi Рік тому +3300

    Riverrun may not be a speed runner, but he will be remembered as an absolute legend by the community.

    • @HexiiSky
      @HexiiSky Рік тому +260

      hopefully runners name it the river skip or something alike

    • @gragogflying-anvil3605
      @gragogflying-anvil3605 Рік тому +228

      @@HexiiSky Maybe something like "Hell River" or "River to Hell".

    • @ProjectRedfoot
      @ProjectRedfoot Рік тому +30

      Riverdance

    • @patientallison
      @patientallison Рік тому +61

      @@gragogflying-anvil3605 River Styx?

    • @oharehatmancaleb7
      @oharehatmancaleb7 Рік тому +171

      I’m betting River Skip, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they just call it a River Run. Riverrun’s name fits very cleanly in the speedrunner nomenclature.

  • @JJBeauregard1
    @JJBeauregard1 Рік тому +1592

    Can you imagine being a speedrunner of a game you've played countless times, hundreds or even thousands of hours and one day some random player who doesn't even speedrun presents you the holy grail of strategies that was laying there all this time right in front of you?! It must feel so awesome but maybe also gut wrenching at the same time.
    I love it when something like this happens, you never know what is still possible but simply hidden! :D

    • @Ravathiel
      @Ravathiel Рік тому +163

      sometimes, a new perspective is all it takes

    • @coobk
      @coobk Рік тому +21

      john kaleta moment

    • @THICCTHICCTHICC
      @THICCTHICCTHICC Рік тому +107

      @@Ravathiel Not just that - just someone with minimal knowledge wondering about every little thing instead of going "yeah that does nothing don't worry about it"

    • @griffin1366
      @griffin1366 Рік тому +35

      Yep. Same came be said about any game, even FPS games. A lot of (egotistical) FPS players deny that but it's true every time. Some angle you never thought of, or would expect somebody to even sit in... Just to name a few.
      I love it!

    • @SullySadface
      @SullySadface Рік тому +5

      Yogscast did it (Bouphe skip)

  • @ryanchase9332
    @ryanchase9332 Рік тому +152

    One thing Karl didn't mention regarding the teleporter is that you can't just blind use it to get to the exit. If you teleport (and it sends you a certain distance in the direction you choose), and come into contact with any solid object (block, wall, enemy etc) it will instantly kill you. So learning to teleport through hell isn't as simple as it sounds.

    • @RainMarrlen
      @RainMarrlen Місяць тому +2

      I know this is a year-old comment but "Learning to teleport through hell isn't as simple as it sounds." is quite a videogame quote.

  • @Hectique
    @Hectique Рік тому +983

    thanks for covering this skip karl, it's so exciting for a game i hold so dear to have a crazy surprise discovery story like this. looking forward to pushing all the records even faster with it! 🐑❤

    • @DelayedSpaceOwl
      @DelayedSpaceOwl Рік тому +12

      I saw your stream on it and was blown away. Such a simple method to save so much time

    • @amongsussyballs
      @amongsussyballs Рік тому +6

      huge W on being the first to complete a run with it

    • @b0b2107
      @b0b2107 Рік тому +9

      Hectique, the Harumachi Clover 16.67% FC legend

    • @Galakktika
      @Galakktika Рік тому +2

      Giga chad

    • @astraabynn9690
      @astraabynn9690 Рік тому +2

      I saw this video and immediately thought of you! Been watching since the calamity days, and heard you're doing much better now! Hope things continue on the good path

  • @Calamity-Rhapsody
    @Calamity-Rhapsody Рік тому +571

    What makes this discovery so impactful is that the game was almost considered solved with records not having changed in years.

    • @just_leo8930
      @just_leo8930 Рік тому +35

      Thats interesting. I havent really thought about this, but can a rougelike like Spelunky be considered as solved? I dont know much about the game but isnt there a possibility for incredebly good RNG?

    • @goldenhate6649
      @goldenhate6649 Рік тому +63

      @@just_leo8930 Often its more just that the records are so optimized and good its hard to find any room to improve. Your are talking hundredths of a second improvement on some categories.

    • @zaptrap4802
      @zaptrap4802 Рік тому +23

      no? the last hell% WR was like 2 months ago.

    • @Kmn483
      @Kmn483 Рік тому +8

      @@just_leo8930 Depends on your definition of solved, but there are only a finite number of possibilities, even in splunkey. Get tele on floor 2 is optimal, for instance. From there it's getting good map layouts and any other items of convenience. Sure there's plenty of good map layouts you could get, but as long as you know the ideal items to get then there's basically nothing left to figure out. Just a matter of getting that perfect seed that checks all the boxes. I'd argue that's pretty solved.

    • @reginaldforthright805
      @reginaldforthright805 11 місяців тому

      Spellunky has a very small speed running community, mainly pre k children and seniors in assisted living facilities

  • @1Henrink
    @1Henrink Рік тому +595

    Spelunky is truly a high skill ceiling game. These speedrunners are incredible.

    • @buttecake
      @buttecake Рік тому +63

      And a pretty high skill floor!

    • @donquixote8462
      @donquixote8462 Рік тому +35

      @@buttecake hahaha true. I remember how long it took me to even clear the mines initially. Good times

    • @Rain1
      @Rain1 Рік тому +9

      You guys aren't wrong at all. I just bought Spelunky 2 a week ago and started playing it for the first time. It's hard. There is a ton to learn. I only just learned today that if you float down slowly with the cape you can avoid spike pits from impaling you. I only learned two days ago if you throw a rope downwards you can simply just climb down to the spikes as well.

    • @Lilly-Lilac
      @Lilly-Lilac Рік тому +19

      @@Rain1 spelunky 2 is arguably harder than HD, although both have their own difficulties. Especially with speed running

    • @SylviaRustyFae
      @SylviaRustyFae Рік тому +2

      Frackin this, i dont think ive even ever made it past lvl 3 in Spelunky... To be this good at it is just unimaginable to me; tho i also dont generally play platformers and roguelike platformers are like my only exception, alongside Terraria.

  • @GorgeGrouse
    @GorgeGrouse Рік тому +189

    Spelunky Speedrunner here.
    I always appreciate your videos, and I think you did a really good job of covering the Speedrun and the (short version) of the experience of speedruning Spelunky HD. Great work!

  • @callmeshaggy5166
    @callmeshaggy5166 Рік тому +341

    This reminds me of two relatively recent FF7 discoveries - Yuffie warping (about a decade ago) & materia smuggling (from 2020). Both of which helped create a whole new NG+any% category. Combined with getting game over during the flashback (not supposed to be possible), this saw any% drop from from 7-8ish hours down to under 90 minutes.

    • @pudgebonetv9628
      @pudgebonetv9628 Рік тому +18

      Wtf? That's crazy! Haven't followed ff7 speed run for years but I love that game.

    • @KnakuanaRka
      @KnakuanaRka Рік тому +1

      Interesting; any good videos on those?

    • @callmeshaggy5166
      @callmeshaggy5166 Рік тому +6

      @@KnakuanaRka check out "4-8 productions" he at least held the record once or twice, and was instrumental in figuring out how materia smuggling worked to be easily reproducible.

    • @callmeshaggy5166
      @callmeshaggy5166 Рік тому +6

      @@pudgebonetv9628 the new runs are going to look completely alien to you lmao

    • @pudgebonetv9628
      @pudgebonetv9628 Рік тому +2

      @@callmeshaggy5166 who's a good runner to fallow? I remember Caleb Hart but that's it

  • @idontknowleavemealoneplease
    @idontknowleavemealoneplease Рік тому +106

    The mid-run category changing (pivoting) is super interesting to me. It makes perfect sense but I've never considered that something like that was ever being done.

    • @alicepbg2042
      @alicepbg2042 Рік тому +34

      it's how the run with the most money collected was done. he got the laser gun super early and went "ok, we doing this"

    • @idontknowleavemealoneplease
      @idontknowleavemealoneplease Рік тому +13

      @@alicepbg2042 that's awesome. Starting a run in one category and on the fly making a decision to run a different category to get the world record has got to feel amazing.

    • @0neDoomedSpaceMarine
      @0neDoomedSpaceMarine Рік тому +14

      @@alicepbg2042 It's cool as hell to me that a game has that kind of on the fly flexibility for speedrunning of all things. I'm sure there has to be other games where it's the case, but I can't think of any.

    • @thepeanuts55
      @thepeanuts55 Рік тому +11

      @@0neDoomedSpaceMarine pivoting is not even that common in other roguelite speedruns, spelunky is a special case because there is really only one goal: get to the exit. You don't have to kill any enemy, you don't have to collect any gold, you don't even need to collect any item to beat the boss. It helps that everything interacts with everything, leading you to novel solutions like getting a caveman to trip over a shotgun, triggering it and killing the shopkeeper without the blood on your hands.

    • @0neDoomedSpaceMarine
      @0neDoomedSpaceMarine Рік тому +1

      @@thepeanuts55 Well, not having to kill or collect everything strikes me as typical any%, but everything interacting with everything as described really sounds like the kind of things where you can get very novel in your approaches.

  • @jprahme720
    @jprahme720 Рік тому +28

    I came across one of your videos about a year ago (I believe it was the badabon video (lol)) and have been hooked on speedrunning ever since. Watching how people are able to break games is nothing short of amazing. Thank you for introducing me to this community.

  • @ChaosRagorA
    @ChaosRagorA Рік тому +23

    Im a huge fan of rouguelikes, most of my library consists of the genre.... but there is just something about Spelunky that sends me into a rage. Thematically and playability makes it an amazing game, but god damn getting real deep into a run and getting 1 shot by a random projectile thats bounced of 3 walls before killing you just hits so much harder than any other game.

    • @abridgedbog7753
      @abridgedbog7753 Рік тому +2

      The spelunky average experience:

    • @DieEineMieze
      @DieEineMieze Рік тому

      Hi :) I love rogue likes too! What are you favorites? I play mainly binding of Isaac and Hades.

    • @JackTheripper911
      @JackTheripper911 Рік тому

      ​@@DieEineMieze Hades is probably my favorite rouge-like. Enter the Gungeon is probably my second favorite rouge-like. DeadCells is a phenomenal rouge-like to play as well!

  • @Rickfernello
    @Rickfernello Рік тому +5

    This type of skip is that kind of magical thing that is incredible when discovered. Really nice that someone from outside found it so much time later!

  • @ascud644
    @ascud644 Рік тому +12

    So stoked to see you finally cover Spelunky on the channel! It's a rich amazing game with incredible skill and unreal speedruns. Would love to see other videos about it and the other WRs for different categories (eggplant, no gold, pacifist, etc). Thanks for the video(s)!!!

  • @Verlisify
    @Verlisify Рік тому +4

    Reminds me of when the Barrier skip was found by realizing the barrier is just a wall... the most standard and clippable thing in speedrunning

  • @puppieslovies
    @puppieslovies Рік тому +67

    Spelunky is a really cool game. I spent so many hours as a kid figuring it out
    Really cool that new things are still being discovered. This is exactly the kind of thing I feel like everybody should've known about. I've even done the push block thing to the hell door, but only when I did have the book

    • @volvo09
      @volvo09 Рік тому +1

      Looks like a neat game, although I suck at games and having enemies in the level change position upon restarting would drive me insane, I'd keep dying and get frustrated.

    • @puppieslovies
      @puppieslovies Рік тому +6

      @@volvo09 the challenge mostly comes from avoiding damage over the course of the whole game. Certain things kill you instantly.
      The fact that the levels are different usually isn't a big deal. The enemies are all fairly predictable

    • @volvo09
      @volvo09 Рік тому

      @@puppieslovies ah ok, that sounds less "tense" then.

    • @buttecake
      @buttecake Рік тому

      @@volvo09 it's not just the enemies that change position, almost all the levels are procedurally generated

    • @holdingpattern245
      @holdingpattern245 Рік тому

      @@volvo09 The game is stylistically designed so that deaths are more funny than painful.

  • @a.j.leclair5426
    @a.j.leclair5426 Рік тому +356

    Karl I just wanna say that ur videos are hands down the best speedrunnig/video games videos on UA-cam bar none. I love it and am a huge fan. Absolute legend

    • @karljobst
      @karljobst  Рік тому +74

      I appreciate that. Thank you.

    • @a.j.leclair5426
      @a.j.leclair5426 Рік тому +10

      @@karljobst no thank u. Lol

    • @ratzou2
      @ratzou2 Рік тому +21

      Well, Summoning Salt steals #1 imo

    • @kantanenakseli8886
      @kantanenakseli8886 Рік тому +7

      @@ratzou2 Yeah, I love Karl's videos but salts videos are like full length documentaries.. Huge fun of both!

    • @alessandrorossi1294
      @alessandrorossi1294 Рік тому +14

      I like Summoning Salt too but can his fanboys stop drooling over him in the comments of every other spreedrun documentarian all the time!???

  • @merman1974
    @merman1974 Рік тому +6

    A brilliant explanation of the chain and how the new exploit works. I've never gotten that far in Spelunky, was intrigued to learn about the hidden zone too.

  • @theftking
    @theftking Рік тому +3

    This is a cool skip because it got a bunch of people (like myself) who had only really played Spelunky 2 to check out HD.

  • @Infernia_Inferno
    @Infernia_Inferno Рік тому +23

    Seeing Karl cover Spelunky gives me joy

  • @VicJang
    @VicJang Рік тому +12

    Thanks Karl, this looks SO interesting! It’s a game that I’d definitely enjoy if it came out when I had more free time. Thanks for the detailed explanation of the speedrun itself and the interconnected elements. Those are always the best part of your videos.

  • @lulwut9602
    @lulwut9602 Рік тому +10

    When I finish, I yell "Spelunky".

  • @badradish2116
    @badradish2116 Рік тому +3

    "you can save over a minute but you have to time it perfectly"
    these speed runs just got sooooo intense X'D

  • @Kincaid_
    @Kincaid_ Рік тому +45

    This was such a cool thing to see discovered in real time. Super huge glitch for the Spelunky Speedrunning community!

    • @mooncalf_4534
      @mooncalf_4534 Рік тому +1

      Reminds me of Baertaffy discovering imo the most amazing Spelunky exploit ever

  • @thetragedyofcommons
    @thetragedyofcommons Рік тому +121

    i can’t believe they found my father

  • @MicoDossun
    @MicoDossun Рік тому

    I’m glad you put the eggplant run in the video as an ifykyk without bogging down the video by explaining how this helps that run cause this whole video I was thinking “that’s such a key eggplant run skip”

  • @WGPL7979
    @WGPL7979 Рік тому +19

    Really well constructed video! shows what spelunky is and what is still possible to achieve even after 10 years!

  • @ralkia
    @ralkia Рік тому +4

    you're so fast on these Karl, I just learned about this myself and you've already got a video. Thanks m8

  • @Cronoistight
    @Cronoistight Рік тому +4

    I like how the speedrunning community is (at least from my experience of it) very open with new tricks. I have yet to experience gatekeeping in any game I have tried to learn. Back on track Karl Jobst giving us yet another banger!

  • @Royale9
    @Royale9 Рік тому +2

    To find certain glitches it sometimes takes some people who don't have a tunnel vision and try random things nobody thought of before.

    • @DavidWonn
      @DavidWonn Рік тому +1

      Yep, the key is to have a deep curiosity, question everything, and take nothing for granted. Having some coding knowledge also helps so you can anticipate the limitations a game has and what shortcuts the coders took to get around it.

  • @185MDE
    @185MDE Рік тому +2

    I’m not a gamer, I just really enjoy your narrative style. Thank you for all the great videos!

  • @popeye089
    @popeye089 Рік тому +3

    I don’t speed run and quit playing games a couple of platforms ago. But I always watch and enjoy your vids. As usual thanks Karl and good luck with your family’s move

    • @ChillstoneBlakeBlast
      @ChillstoneBlakeBlast Рік тому +1

      It's Sad but not a bad decision to quit Gaming. May I ask, was there a Final Straw or what Else do you enjoy more?

    • @popeye089
      @popeye089 Рік тому

      @@ChillstoneBlakeBlast real life didn’t allow time. Now I just play guitar in my free time. It was gaming or music for a hobby, I like music. But I still enjoy watching some games and vids like Karl’s channel.

  • @deeton6289
    @deeton6289 Рік тому +1

    Someone finding important glitches actually happened twice, in spelunky you can get an item that breaks if it's hits or thrown too fast, and you have to bring that to the end final boss, but at one point to get to that boss you have to die with a item that revives them, but you can't bring the eggplant with you, and the door you are forces to enter is covered in stone, but a random streamer glitches out of the door and couldn't continue the run and were pretty bummed, but someone in chat suggested to use a ball and chain to destroy the stone and it worked, allowing the eggplant to be thrown at Yama, which lead to the first ever eggplant Yama kill, as if you throw it at him you can one shot him after he transforms into an eggplant

  • @richarddeese1991
    @richarddeese1991 Рік тому +1

    Thanks. There's an old riddle: Whom does the greatest swordsman in the world fear most? Well, it's not #2 or 3 or 4, etc. He knows he's better. He fears the *_worst_* swordsman, because they're likely to do something unpredictable. In this case, though, that's a good thing. Nobody who 'knew better' would've tried it. tavi.

  • @TheItalianoAssassino
    @TheItalianoAssassino Рік тому +4

    Spelunky is geniuenly one of the most fun splitscreen experiences in the Indie realm.

  • @_TG
    @_TG Рік тому +1

    Without getting theoretically deeper than a black hole, there’s a shrouded way of thinking that refers to the absence of knowledge as the capacity for probability; ie, everything we don’t know is entirely possible to be true, meaning that infinite improvement is possible. This is a prime example of that terrifyingly beautiful abyssal thought.
    Riverrun you legend

  • @RoyGuyManDude
    @RoyGuyManDude Рік тому

    This has to be the single greatest discovery for eggplant% specifically. Being able to simply carry the eggplant by yourself should make the run way more accessible than before.

  • @calciumcrisis5902
    @calciumcrisis5902 Рік тому

    The thought process of Riverrun during his casual play session was probably just "I wonder if olmec can stomp the lock? Probably not but I'll try it anyways."

  • @bombswabs3041
    @bombswabs3041 Рік тому

    I do no speedrunning at all. I just learned about it from your channel. I have no aspirations to even start. But I cant get enough of this community. I love watching videos of new discoveries pushing the boundaries of whats possible. The way Karl describes whats happening with emphasis on the difficulty makes for a very entertaining and informative video to watch. I hope this community grows as I find speedrunning comparable to other sports I enjoy spectating like American Football for example. Karl you are an absolute Legend!

  • @sproga_265
    @sproga_265 Рік тому +4

    Thanks for putting a spotlight on my favorite speed game

  • @albl247
    @albl247 Рік тому +1

    It's about time you did a video on Spelunky! I've been waiting for it to make an appearance as the speedrunning community for Spelunky is just a pure brilliant and lovely bunch and there's been plenty of good reason to in the past, but fair enough when this discovery came out I knew you'd have no excuse NOT to cover it!!! :D Keep up the great work Karl :)

  • @jayos
    @jayos Рік тому +4

    Thanks for making a spelunky vid, more people need to know about the game

  • @dantrav1927
    @dantrav1927 Рік тому +11

    Never heard of this game but I feel I'm about to become an expert.

    • @YourAverageSpelunker
      @YourAverageSpelunker Рік тому +2

      Go for it

    • @donquixote8462
      @donquixote8462 Рік тому +2

      One of the best games ever. Stupidly challenging but very rewarding

    • @dantrav1927
      @dantrav1927 Рік тому +6

      Update: Im now an expert and ready to challenge the WR. Thanks Karl!

  • @bakkhertz
    @bakkhertz Рік тому +1

    I think what was also really cool was how this literally created new categories. Not just distinguishing hell% from chain hell% but things like low hell% are now possible that we're before

    • @supaplayer
      @supaplayer Рік тому +1

      @@bakkhertz Don’t respond to the bots, it may encourage them. Just a friendly reminder

  • @Sheithan
    @Sheithan Рік тому

    Knew it would be only a matter of time till you covered this, Spelunky is an IMMENSELY demanding game, the fact that there's speedruns of it at all is ludicrous. Right up a Karl Jobst video's alley.

  • @Kurachi84
    @Kurachi84 Рік тому +1

    Simple looking games can hold so many secrets, but some keep it for years or even 1 or more decades!
    Then when it's found, a whole update has to be made within the speedrunning community, and a game will be popular once again or even more than it already was.
    I like hearing about the newcomers finding something they think COULD be helpful, which turn out to be game changers!
    And hearing it from an Absolute Legend makes it even better :) Thanks once again, Karl!

  • @YourAverageSpelunker
    @YourAverageSpelunker Рік тому +12

    This discovery was so huge! Glad you covered this

  • @jakehero95
    @jakehero95 Рік тому +1

    Spelunky has a very very special place in my heart. So idk how many of you know what GameMaker is, but it is a game making software that the first version of Spelunky was made on. It was GameMaker 8 and at the time I was trying to learn how to use a game engine and apply the concepts to an engine I was writing in C++. When I first downloaded and played Spelunky I knew I had to look at the source code and used a decompiler I had found to turn the executable back into the project file with all the sprites, objects, code etc intact. The way Derek used the engine and coded certain things like the ledge grabs, procedural generation, and physics calculations was just genius to me and such an important learning opportunity taught me so much just to look thru his code. I still have it saved along with the original Spelunky e kxecutable. Love to see it still getting some love and attention even now 😄. I wonder if being able to see and understand the source code would give you an edge lol

  • @DrugsAreForWinners
    @DrugsAreForWinners Рік тому +33

    Everytime Karl talks about "Random" factors in games, I wait for him to tell us about someone who found some formula or pattern through thousands of hours of experimenting.

    • @Jukeboksi
      @Jukeboksi Рік тому +1

      Looper in DooM for example. TAS-creators can go through hundreds of thousands of re-records a run.

    • @yonatanshavit352
      @yonatanshavit352 Рік тому +1

      I can't recall if Karl ever did a video about it but this happened with Windwaker. Linkus probably has a video about it.

    • @Hublium
      @Hublium Рік тому +1

      "RNG manipulation" is the term. In TAS, it is essential, but for many games, RTA strategy exist too.

    • @TheInfectous
      @TheInfectous Рік тому +1

      GBA Fire emblem games entire runs are RNG manip and like another commenter said Windwaker has a pretty cool manip strat for a minigame. the video title is "How We Solved the Worst Minigame in Zelda's History."

  • @AG-en5y
    @AG-en5y Рік тому +1

    Who watches this and does not speed run or doesn’t even have any interest in speed running themselves but this is just so entertaining

  • @herisruns
    @herisruns Рік тому +1

    i like that you cover a great variety of different games. whenever you upload, it can be a complete surprise as to which game will be covered

  • @dreadburnz3522
    @dreadburnz3522 Рік тому

    Dude literally showed up to talk about a glitch and changed the course of spelunky speedrunning forever. Simply amazing.

  • @plectro3332
    @plectro3332 Рік тому

    I've been attempting to speedrun Spelunky a while ago. And one thing to note is that using the teleporter is incredibly difficult. It usually takes new runners months before they even attempt to start using the teleporter. The item always teleports a specific distance and if there isn't an empty block within that distance, you teleport inside a wall and instantly die. Seeing these clips you put in the video and how smooth and tight the teleports are is insane to me, knowing these runners are just pixels away from instant death every teleport

  • @N2O1138
    @N2O1138 Рік тому +13

    it's always nerve-wracking when a creator discusses a topic you know a good bit about (and they don't necessarily given their normal focus/background), but I think you've done a fantastic job with Clone Hero and now Spelunky 😁
    (I'm not a *part* of either community but I follow both pretty closely and have played both pretty extensively)

    • @N2O1138
      @N2O1138 Рік тому

      @Boco Corwin lol I guess more accurately I don't really *participate* in the communities, just play for myself, and there's such a skill gap that it doesn't feel like they're playing the same game sometimes 😂

  • @Gardinnas
    @Gardinnas Рік тому +1

    One day, we'll discover that Riverrun was Boba all along.

  • @HeWhoShams
    @HeWhoShams Рік тому +1

    ahem... Also, thanks to Riverrun for sharing his find. The community would still be in the dark without him taking the initiative to seek out a answer.

  • @DavidWonn
    @DavidWonn Рік тому

    The famous old saying, "The road to |-|ell is paved with good intentions" now takes on a whole new meaning!

  • @yoshimallow
    @yoshimallow Рік тому

    This reminds me of how Touval (someone who was at the time, an outsider to the Super Mario Sunshine community) ended up discovering Gelato Skip.

  • @jacobwansleeben3364
    @jacobwansleeben3364 Рік тому

    As someone who knew nothing about Spelunky other than it being a roguelike platformer, this was pretty interesting to watch.

  • @Chiaros
    @Chiaros Рік тому

    Timing that stomp with the fall of the block is so satisfying to watch

  • @executor31
    @executor31 Рік тому

    The Elden Ring warp glitch comes to mind. It took the speedrun from a painful 60 minutes to a leasury 10 minutes. Was discovered randomly by a guy , posted on youtube and picked by the comunity

  • @MrMarlowe3488
    @MrMarlowe3488 Рік тому

    really nice to see some coverage of the spelunky community, I think there's just so much awesome history and categories for spelunky 1+2 and it has such a dedicated community documenting it all I'm surprised I don't see coverage more often from people

  • @mageius
    @mageius Рік тому +1

    There's some crazy skips that have been found by a lot of non speedrunners. My personal favorite is Reddit skip for Mega Man Battle Network. Basically some one on Reddit posted about having skipped the final dungeon in the game by doing something small but easily overlooked and it saved at least 10-20 minutes if I recall. And in an RPG like Battle Network is that's a solid time save.

  • @rafaelarevalo8047
    @rafaelarevalo8047 Рік тому +2

    ohhh i love love love the spelunky coverage. one of the sickest, most fun platformers out there. skill ceiling is extremely high. thank you for the video, hope you'll do one on spelunky 2 someday.

    • @supaplayer
      @supaplayer Рік тому

      That would be neat, still a large amount of secrets and exploits to discover in Spelunky 2 that can be covered eventually

  • @iamseamonkey6688
    @iamseamonkey6688 Рік тому

    >joins community
    >immediately drops game-changing glitch
    >refuses to elaborate
    >leaves

  • @Magazanga
    @Magazanga Рік тому +4

    I wonder if Karl could make a video about glitches and skips not found in games until years later?

  • @freemorox5896
    @freemorox5896 Рік тому +1

    Just dropped by to check out how much of a legend I am.
    An absolute one.
    Nice

  • @miser2570
    @miser2570 Рік тому +1

    The skip as it was discovered was already good for one of those cursed categories, Low% King Yama :)

  • @mookymookymooo
    @mookymookymooo Рік тому +2

    Awesome vid, you really brought this game to life for me! Skips like this are so satisfying

  • @MsLondondude
    @MsLondondude Рік тому

    As someone who has never been interested in speed running, you can tank Karl Jobst for getting me into it. Who would have thought I would be excited about a game I've never played being glitched.

  • @R3F1C
    @R3F1C Рік тому

    cant belive this game is still going strong, i remember playing through it without guide because i was stubborn, and it took me over a week to get to the end, and you legends are speedrunning it so fast lol

  • @derangedfreackingtwistedps5048
    @derangedfreackingtwistedps5048 11 днів тому

    As a relatively unknown caver, he did a B&E on King Yama. He tries to downplay his fame!

  • @Kahadi
    @Kahadi Рік тому

    One of the reasons why newer or less skilled players can find glitches, skips, and techniques that seem so simple but more experienced players don't find is because it's very easy for a more experienced player to get stuck in their ways.
    Using this case as an example, from practicing runs so much before looking for glitches and slips, a more experienced player would likely have it so ingrained into their minds that, to enter Hell, you need that chain of items, to the point where they would either ignore the door because they didn't get that chain, or would have that chain anyway. And when getting this glitch requires a less efficient and thus slower kill on Olmec, it's even less likely to just be discovered by accident. They're looking in the wrong spot. Because it's so ingrained that they need the chain, they are looking at the Olmec fight with the notion of making it faster and not even considering opening the door to Hell. Is there a way to get Olmec to break two layers? Is there a way to open the any% door without killing Olmec? Is there a way to kill Olmec without the lava? Is there a way to skip Olmec entirely? Is there a way to save time skipping earlier stages, a glitch to replace the teleporter, anything like that? Or when looking for Hell% stuff, looking for glitches to hold two items at once, ways to skip Olmec, ways to kill Yama even faster or without the eggplant, ways to get the chain differently or to trick the game into thinking you have the chain. It's so ingrained that the idea of "hey, can we get Olmec to break the door open?" doesn't even register, it might have been laughable.
    What it takes sometimes is someone that's less skilled. They can't kill Olmec the faster, more efficient way because they keep getting crushed or falling into the lava themselves or something, so they're looking for an alternative they can do just so they can beat the game. Or they're doing a challenge run, seeing if they can beat him a different way, or using the boxes, or after freeing all of the boxes. Hell, even just curious what happens to the boxes if they fall in the lava because they've never done it and testing is more fun than just looking it up. And then, as they're doing one of these obviously less efficient options... The door happens to break open.
    It could even be a glitch that others have seen before, but it didn't register for them. Again, maybe it happened but they were too focused on the any% ending they didn't even notice the Hell door was open, or they failed and died as it opened and didn't notice it. Or they did notice it but thought it was well known and worthless, so they didn't mention it, or ended up ignored when they tried telling people because they didn't have proper proof of it.
    And that's why it's good for communities like that to be accepting of newer and even more casual players. Because that glitch they claim they found could be real and a game changer, their perspective might show something everyone else overlooked, their lack of skills might have resulted in them trying something nobody had done before and noticing something different. Being open and accepting, on top of allowing the community to grow, can lead to discoveries like this. But communities that gatekeep, that are too elitist, just harm themselves.

  • @vanesslifeygo
    @vanesslifeygo Рік тому

    Speedrunning a game that randomly generates itself is the truest test of how well you can play the literal game.

  • @Mackinstyle
    @Mackinstyle Рік тому

    It feels like the Jungle should have come before the Mines, thematically. If you're a treasure hunter making your way further into this trove.

  • @whatisbestinlife8112
    @whatisbestinlife8112 Рік тому +1

    Always fascinating to see new discoveries like this.
    I wonder if the dev knew all along it was possible.

  • @dumbasses_R_us
    @dumbasses_R_us Рік тому +6

    Why do I, a guy who hardly ever games anymore and has never been interested in speedrunning, feel the need to watch every video Karl Jobst drop? Because he's an awesome storyteller who could make even paint drying a fascinating topic. That's why ❤️

    • @JackTheripper911
      @JackTheripper911 Рік тому +1

      The way Karl structures his videos, his vocal cadence, and his inflection all contribute to him being audibly pleasing to listen to. Plus his chosen topics are usually quite interesting, and he researches his topics well. Usually its a month or so between his uploads (usually) which shows that 1. He has a busy life already lol 2. He takes time when writing, filming, and editing his content. Which also increases the enjoyability of listening to Karl's content.

  • @thehoodedteddy1335
    @thehoodedteddy1335 Рік тому

    6:52 I don’t know who this is, but making their camera feed look like a codec while running MGS is a genius move

  • @LixxLixx
    @LixxLixx Рік тому

    I'm actually surprised no one ever thought of doing that before

  • @MegaHoutenKapo
    @MegaHoutenKapo Рік тому +4

    Things like this is why Spelunky is my favorite game ever. Thanks to Derek Yu, all the Mossmouth staff and the awesome community for make this incredible discovery happen. The most pure concept of video game being pushed as its limits.

  • @ZackeroniAndCheese
    @ZackeroniAndCheese Рік тому +1

    Thank you for explaining so many things that spelunky players may take for granted. It helped me follow along :)

  • @KuroFoxxo
    @KuroFoxxo Рік тому

    The best part is that this skip would be INCREDIBLY difficult to patch out because the devs would have to change the entirety of the game to get rid of this skip

    • @taggerung_
      @taggerung_ Рік тому

      game hasnt been updated (significantly) in years anyways.

  • @batrongordeg
    @batrongordeg Рік тому

    As a person who knows a lot about spelunky 2 (spelunky HD i know all the strats too but didnt play much), but isn't an insase player (i got to 7-19 cosmic ocean) here is a couple of additional info:
    1. The teleporter is an absolutne monster, people who dont have 1000hours will just die in 3 seconds if attempting speedrun movement. It teleports you randomly beetween 4-8 tiles, and if you teleport onto a tile that has 3 blocks or more on top of it, you die.
    2. This skip isn't as crazy as some od the other stuff. There is a speedrun in spelunky 2 to get to the 99th level in the 7 world. Getting to world 7 is already hard, since it needs a chain as well *long stuff, skip to a marker if you dont want to read* if you go the beat worlds its: 1-2/1-3 get udjat eye, 2-1/2-2/2-3/2-4 go to hidden vampire castle and get a crown,, 3-1 defeat olmec and get the ankh, 4-2 get excalibur, 4-3 die at the bottom, revive with ankh and go to abzu, abzu - kill the turtle get the tablet of destiny, 6-2 grab a statue that tablet of destiny described, 6-3 it haches into flying mount 6-4 fly upwards to a door to 6-4. You can also do a skip, but it either requires high luck for a jetpack, or its more difficult then goying there normaly. Then to not end the gamę on 7-4 you need to shoots the finał Boss after defeating it in a eye that pops up with an bow that you get in the 2 world and deposited into 3-1 so you can claim in in the 7 world, and an Arrow that you get in the 7th world. *Here go if you dont want to read the chain* .Now you are in a incredibly difficult world that's called cosmic ocean, that haves random size and is a remix of a random world. It doesnt have outer walls, if you go far then you will just find a void, if you go into it you go back the other side. You need to find 3 bubbles and pop them, if you pop them a really chaotic jellyfish will start moving towards you and if you touch her you lose all of your hp. Poping them also uncovers the exit, so you need to look throught the level a lot, not just speedrun through it. and the worst part is beating this world requires beating 95 levels, from 7-5 to 7-99. It took experienced people thousands of hours and months of playing to to that. I have like 500 hours probably and my best is 7-19. And Hectique (and twiggle and some other people) speedrun this with a teleporter ????? Wtf dude. Looking at this run this skip seems like a child Play.

  • @sergiosarmiento4371
    @sergiosarmiento4371 Рік тому

    another thing worth mentioning about this new trick is that it now makes trivial the solo eggplant run, which was one of the most difficult challenges in the game.

  • @ProfMarkQ
    @ProfMarkQ Рік тому +3

    I've never been interested in Speed Running, as in the act of doing it. Learning a game to that depth seems tedious, but with that said, I I'm fascinated by everything that goes into Speed Running.
    It's the coolest aspect of it.
    Karl, you're a good dude. Keep it up man, your videos are great!

  • @welp...
    @welp... Рік тому +2

    Wow, very nice! Spelunky runs are super fun, used to follow the game at some point. One question about this new method: how do you know where exactly the door is without clue that the book gives you?

    • @karljobst
      @karljobst  Рік тому +2

      You have to scout it by using bombs to destroy a few levels down and then look for it.

    • @welp...
      @welp... Рік тому

      @@karljobst Ah gotcha, thanks! Thought there might have been some other trick for this, you never know at this point lol.

  • @maverick12070
    @maverick12070 Рік тому

    Wonderful to See that karl even Covers some of the somewhat lesser known speedgames, just because he has fun learning about it. Its a nice change from all the Dooms, Mario 64s and Minecrafts we've already Seen in this channel.

  • @Goretantath
    @Goretantath Рік тому

    These are my fave exploits, random people just finding stuff when tons of people spend hour upon hour trying to find the exact same type of sploit.

  • @bluedragon219123
    @bluedragon219123 Рік тому +1

    You know, when I saw the title I thought of the NES, and other platforms, game. Then I saw the graphics and thought it was a remake of said game. The I reread the title again, and heard it in the video, and realized it's likely a different game series, or single title, entirely. :)

  • @PajakiYT
    @PajakiYT Рік тому

    spelunky is my absolute favourite speedrunning game to watch
    great to see it get recognition here

  • @JLocker
    @JLocker Рік тому

    Karl.... I don't know why.... but for some reason I enjoy your videos more than absolutely anything else on the internet. I think a lot of it has to do with just the person you are. Thank you Karl. Please don't change.

  • @andryduarte9164
    @andryduarte9164 Рік тому +1

    Apparently Spelunky is just a game where game breaking skips are just found by people randomly. BaerTaffy all those years ago and this.
    Not saying that it's supper common, but if I had a nickle...

  • @SuperZeap
    @SuperZeap Рік тому

    Another Great example of a game where the runner has to pivot is Noita's random seed category

  •  Рік тому +6

    0:27 yeah, I love that stuff. That's basically my hobby, just finding faster ways, not speedrunning 😂 I found back in the day faster routes, that I posted 😅 reactions are always funny
    Edit: Damn, I just realized that you got pretty old, Karl 😂💀 for some reason, I only know the young version of you

  • @davecool42
    @davecool42 Рік тому +3

    I can't believe I've never heard of this game before. Looks amazingly fun.

    • @mrpiccionedivino5598
      @mrpiccionedivino5598 Рік тому +1

      It has a sequel

    • @supaplayer
      @supaplayer Рік тому

      It’s incredibly fun especially with friends, just be advised it’s difficult and takes a considerable time effort in to do well

  • @alfredobelli1291
    @alfredobelli1291 Рік тому

    This is the first time i get to see the process of a speedrun drastically shorten and lose a lot of "complexity" of the game as it is currently happening in the community. Like when zelda's speedruns ended up skipping most of the content of the game.
    Fascinanting

  • @okamimemos1716
    @okamimemos1716 Рік тому +2

    Ain't no way we got a Spelunky video from the legend himself

  • @Geeker5M.
    @Geeker5M. Рік тому +1

    Man the smallest thing can lead you to overwhelming achievements.

  • @theshipyard8798
    @theshipyard8798 Рік тому +2

    Sometimes all it takes is a fresh perspective to see things where others might not

    • @moviemaker2011z
      @moviemaker2011z Рік тому

      Well I think the problem becomes an echo chamber, everyone settles on an established gimmick and when people try to do something new the whole community moves in that same direction where as a new member will be more inclined to look elsewhere. It's almost like a hivemind effect and I have noticed that alot of times the main community will be hyper focused on one or two possible tricks that they utterly fail to see others. A great example being look down from golden eye.

    • @theshipyard8798
      @theshipyard8798 Рік тому +1

      @@moviemaker2011z Yeah, you make a good point

  • @alicepbg2042
    @alicepbg2042 Рік тому

    I love spelunky so much. watching a speedrun with a teleporter is the most terrifying thing ever.