My Thoughts on Evangelion 3.0+1.0
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- For better or for worse, here's what I thought of Evangelion: 3.0+1.0 Thrice Upon a Time.
MUSIC USED
00:01 - "A Moment When Tension Breaks" from Neon Genesis Evangelion: Mahjong Hokan Keikaku
01:29 - "Thanatos" from Neon Genesis Evangelion: Shito Ikusei
02:46 - "Vicarious Invasion" from Neon Genesis Evangelion (Nintendo 64)
03:19 - "B_1" from Neon Genesis Evangelion - Digital Card Library
06:39 - "Infantile Dependence, Adult Dependency" from Neon Genesis Evangelion: Mahjong Hokan Keikaku
08:25 - "BGM #19" from Neon Genesis Evangelion: Mahjong Hokan Keikaku
09:41 - "Next Episode" from Neon Genesis Evangelion: Mahjong Hokan Keikaku
SOCIAL MEDIA
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I think the part in the village was the best part of the film. It shows that even though the world has basically ended several times, there's still something left to fight for. In 3.0 the world felt so destroyed to the point where I was wondering why they would still bother to fight for it. Thrice upon a time showed that if people take care of each other they CAN rebuild.
I agree.
Yee that was the only part I actually felt anything watching the movie. The rest was pandering and kinda full of itself. Cuz I like the side characters better than the mains.
I also liked it bc I remember an interview with Anno where he said he wanted to make a sequel to EoE revolving around rebuilt villages made in the post-third-impact world. It feels like he fully realized what he wanted to do then
Yeah, and then in the abysmal ending Shinji erases it all, erases Kensuke and Asuka (despite literally sending her back to him), erases Toji and Hikari, effectively killing Tsubame, and erases that entire world.
What were they THINKING?
Yes, Precisely what Anno intended it to be.
The village sequence was the heart of the whole film. The whole point of the movie - maybe the whole series - was Shinji's root connection with humanity, and the difference between him and his father's ability to be an individual within a world of differences. My only criticism would be that while things like Shinji's change in outlook or Gendo's epiphany or the time skip at the end are understandable and less about details than tone, they could use more breathing room. Basically, it felt like two films worth of ideas in one. The least memorable and least important parts of the movie, coincidentally, was the action.
Right?
Right!
Are you sure about that? I'm not convinced that's the case. If that was the goal, then it certainly gets lost in the noise of how ridiculously unplanned this movie franchise turned out to be. NGE and EOE are so well loved not just because of it's visual execution, but how well it argues it's thematic points. This movie, however, feels absolutely out of step with the previous three. Honestly all four feel like they're not even connected, thriving on what we already know if we saw NGE. And while I appreciate the supposed theme in practice, it's not supported by the material very well, if at all, and makes little impression. Ultimately it felt vapid and gratuitous, failing to do it's only job. To tell a meaningful story.
Well that's not true, it succeeded at it's other job, which was to make Khara buku bucks.
The two films worth of ideas i believe makes sense when you see the name tbh
@@ElEscolta I'm not sure there are that many ideas to be honest. There's a lot of meaningless, cryptic babble, sure. But ideas in terms of actual story are light on the ground. An entire half of the movie is dedicated to the story beat "they fight". I'd say it needs a rewrite, but this movie is literally a last minute rewrite.
I liked how Kensuke, the survivalist, thrived in the post Near Third Impact world, and became one of the most vital members of the Village community.
Absolute alpha
I think that if the whole movie was the village with some character drama, that would’ve been great. A whole movie of the last action stuff, with more solid character beats (less Gendo) and the lore more evenly spaced out would have been cool too. But the combo is a bit much, and both ends lose out because of it.
Sucky part is Akio Satsukawa who wrote those skills for Kensuke in ep 4 is noticeably gone after 2.0.
The otaku was right all along.
Kensuke reminds me the Kaji from the manga episode, when he talks about the survival after the Second Impact.
When it comes to Rei Q dying my interpretation was that shinji thought that everything bad that happened was a result of him piloting the Eva. So he thought that if he did nothing bad things would stop happening. But then something bad happened even with his inaction so it made him realize that he was blaming himself for things that he shouldn't be blaming himself for.
Whoa... great observation. I hadn't thought about it but it makes perfect sense.
this is one of my favorite things I've read about this movie
I will disagree. Shinji like always is fucking up everywhere he goes. He is the villain of this movie. Its a shame he gets granted a reset button at the end to fix everything, the ultimate fantasy. It would have been great to see him suffer through the consequences of his actions like the rest of us. But nah, thats too much effort. And i don't mean sitting for 40 minutes crying "suffering through his actions" I mean doing what misato and what everybody was doing, salvaging humanity, creating life and beauty from where it lied death and blood like real people would do.
Didn’t that mf already learn that though? Earlier in the rebuilds after running away and not piloting 01, he realizes that doing nothing isn’t an option. He was the only one that could pilot it because it was rejecting the dummy plug
Maybe the real Shin Evangelion was the depressions we cured along the way
"Cured"
@@silentmadness7998 Can we order the cure in Blueray?
@@MetaBrainX pre-order hopefully ;P
This comment is awesome because it’s funny AND true 😄
I mean, Shinji already accepted to love himself in ep 26. Everything that came after was unnecessary to that point.
For me, I personally loved how simple the answer to Gendo and Shinji's conflict was resolved. Throughout these films, Fuyutsuki and Rei are both trying to get Shinji and Gendo to talk to one another, but both of them constantly run away from it through one means or another. Gendo ran away from Shinji because he was scared of him, because he couldn't handle Yui's death, and so he would rather waste 20 years of his life trying to become God and rewriting the world than simply face his problems. I believe even the last film itself acknowledges this with Fuyutsuki saying "you'll have to play Ikaris game a little longer" as well as all this complicated stuff that all ends with neither Shinji or Gendo being able to beat one another in a big fight or something, instead they have to do the one thing they have avoided this WHOLE time, the one thing Yui would have wanted them to do, talk to one another, express their feelings and their hurt to one another, and to me in a series full of so many complex ideas and world-shaping character choices and these God-like mechs and what have you, it truly is so poetic how simple the answer to all of the conflict was, it was the obvious one all along. It also ties with the theme of not running away from your problems, and Gendo represents the absolute ultimate negative of running away from reality. Imagine being so scared of our reality that you try to change by becoming God lol. That's why i personally found the Gendo part not only well done but the most important centerpiece of this whole series, and perhaps the franchise as a whole as it sort of takes the macro ideas the series always has and simplifies it to it's core. It's the thesis statement of the whole franhcise. So I'd say that's pretty good and something I feel like everyone is overlooking for whatever reason. Anyway I respect your feelings on the film Eva monkey, I've quietly watched your stuff for a very long time and I do want to thank you for always being a positive voice in this fandom in general. Looking forward to the future of Eva whatever form that takes lol.
EXACTLY THIS. This is exactly what I felt.
perfectly written comment
I think the point about Gendo is obvious, kind of cliche and already apparent in the original series. Overall I feel that what was done before was more complex and mature than Rebuild.
But that's been a fault of Rebuilds overall. Their conflict isn't supposed to be resolved, at least not directly. The point of the originals was to learn to love yourself and not expect or rely on others to provide your validation. Gendo is unforgivable, and Shinji stops trying to get his love, instead separating himself from his father and eventually learning to love and accept himself, even sofar as to leave his mother's love in Instrumentality.
Focussing on Shinji trying to resolve his conflict with Gendo by making Gendo love him (and then only because he sees Yui through his son) is pathetic, contradictory to the originals, weak, and frankly bullshit, because Gendo deserves nothing.
@@AllThingsCubey I may not be very qualified to talk about this, but i don't think gendo and shinji reuniting is about them loving each other, or seeking validation from one another
Hell it started with them beating each other up lol
But instead it's more about facing your problems head on instead of running away from them, which is a big thing in nge
Shinji ran away from his father because he abandoned him for years and gendo ran away from shinji because, like op said, he was scared of him
So here they understand one another, and while they still don't love each other, they at least understand their existence instead of running away from it, which in my opinion is anything but contradictory to the original series
Well that's my take on it at least, i'm not the director so i may be completely wrong about what i said here
Something that really hit me hard was when after Misato took a bullet for Shinji, she still claims responsibility and protection over Shinji, echoing the same thing she's been saying since the original series. It felt like even though everything's different, some things never change.
I also loved how each of the character's got their own sort of character study towards the end. Even though it was kind of short, some of character got some sort of closure and happiness, even Kaworu.
i don't believe it to be much of a stretch but one could say that Misato taking a bullet for Shinji was also foreshadowing the ending when Yui (his actual mom) stabs herself instead and throws shinji out --- both pushing him out of harms way--- Just a minor detail i noticed :^)
Yeah... "Took a bullet at gunpoint to show motherly love"...
That's *definitely* a cliché Evangelion needs
Maybe unpopular opinion but I don't care if something is a cliche or not. If it works well then the filmmaker should use it.
@@mar2ck_ a cliché is usually seen as bad, bc you see it happen over and over and over again, making it look like the writer isn't even trying to write something from his own head, and is just regurgitating a different thing.
In The End of Evangelion Misato is very manipulative, she's thinking more of Shinji as an Eva pilot. The entire scene of the kiss is just Misato's manipulation because she thinks men are only interested in sex (she missreads the entire situation)
I think the village sequence was important because Shinji was dealing with the idea that his existence only brought bad things to the world. When Kensuke talks with shinji, he mentions how N3I brought some good things with the bad, which is how you can basically sum up the village arc. Being there and seeing everyone live peacefully along with seeing how it affected rei q in her final days reminded shinji he still had things to protect.
The conflict among fans proves that this is the most evangelion thing that the final evangelion film could give us
is there conflict among fans? it seems the overwhelming majority of people just love it.
I loved this movie it’s just the elitists who want to nitpick everything
@@JohnSmith39180 this is the laziest, most cliche, most fucking worthless deflection possible
@@Khazuki_ ??? What are u talking about bro 😂
@@JohnSmith39180 "you're just a nitpicking elitist" is the easiest way to dismiss someone's criticisms of something without engaging with any of their arguments
A counter theory that someone else wrote up on the sub: the "ending" is Shinji and Mari returning from the anti-universe to their universe, there is no timeskip persay, the characters just lost their curse of the Eva, hence looking older and why Shinji had the collar on whilst in the anti-universe. The station is seemingly the same one where Gendou hugged Shinji. The "goodbye all Evas" reverts the world to a pre-3.0 and some of the damage done by the 2nd impact, so the return of the lifeforms/humans lost. This isnt perfect nor totally airtight, but the theory is more thematically solid than just a very meta "our world".
Yup. It's not a time skip, he just appears after the beach while sitting on a bench with universe molded "as it should be". Only question that is not answered is "who and how much they remember if anything from before the new universe". At least him and Mari seem to have some recall of what happened, with how she took of the choker from Shinjis neck and it would not make sense for a clear timeskip for him to wear it for so long. But I suppose they "lived through" some time and that's why they acted so familiar with each other and at that time reality fully realized.
TL:DR: Time continuum reality feckery was done on top of getting memories of the times that they "lost/have no way to create back then together" thanks to all that Eva buisness.
@@chillax319 I'd add on who remains and how much was undone. Like we see the earth somewhat restored and the eva infinites revert back to human and animals, but does this mean that 2nd impact/N3I didnt happen? Or just those that didnt die ie Misato, come back in a more healthy world
@@salokin3087It depends. I think Shinji made it so that Evas never existed in the first place so all the damage dones by impacts and such are erased most likely and people don't remember anything like this. Maybe only pilots remember that world used to be far different.
Mari should be much older than Shinji then
This felt more like a meta ending to Eva as it exists in the real world as a phenomenon, versus a canon in-universe type ending. This was Anno's goodbye to it all. EoE will always stand as the proper end to the mythos in my opinion.
Same here. IMO, NGE and EoE is the proper canon.
Everything else is a supplementary piece of entertainment.
And the meta jumped the shark here, too. It was really such a badly written, badly made in parts too, film. The only possible explanation for the wave of popularity its seeing with fans is that they are not thinking. They went into it determined that after the long wait, it would be perfect, and final, and they'd leave happy and with closure for their favourite franchise. With minds that set up, and the wish fulfilled by the ending, nobody's actually thinking properly about whether it was a good film, or even actually a good ending. It's all very tiring to see how much human minds can convince themselves black is white, when they don't want to see something objectively.
Oh well, always got EoE like you say, the true ending.
@@AllThingsCubey how convenient that everybody who liked the movie is just an idiot thinking emotionally. While anybody (like you) who hates the movie is a “thinking man”
@@Nate0808 Yes. if you think this film is great, you are simply not thinking. It fails at almost every level of what a good movie needs to be, even in ways that Eva should diverge from other media. Not necessarily an idiot to like it, but not engaging the brain, and living on sheer cope to claim it's anything but hugely flawed.
@@AllThingsCubey subjectivity is subjective. i agree with you on nearly all points-this movie left me really disappointed, every time i watch it i can't help feeling a little gutted-but please stop pretending art is arithmetic lol. there simply aren't objective standards by which you can measure a film-as much as art critics and the like have tried (and failed) to discover them-so i can be happy for other people who can enjoy it for their own reasons, using their own brains.
I found seeing Toji and Kensuke again to be a really nice surprise. Really missed seeing a lot of the supporting cast in 3.0 so it was nice getting to spend a bit more time with them before the end.
Sorry to hear that you didn't like the film, but it was interesting hearing your thoughts nonetheless. Hopefully some stuff will be able to grow on you as time goes on, but for me personally I had a great time watching it and it resonated with me immensely.
Same. I think what really moved me was the character interactions in the village and the resolutions between shinji and the cast toward the end.
But on the other hand the whole village sequence basically implied that the third impact in 2.0 and forth impact in 3.0 are meaningless, yeah sure lore-wise you could say billions of human died, but from a plot perspective all the major characters are pretty much unaffected (except for Kaji)
That's the difference between EOE and 3.0+1.0:
In EOE all the major characters are killed/orange-juicified one by one because Shinji's unwillingness of accepting responsibility
While in 3.0+1.0 the movie basically tells you all what Shinji did in 2.0 and 3.0 have no actual consequences, all his friends are still alive albeit a little bit older and they even now living in an agrarian utopia!
Probably you are very emotionally satisfied if just watching this movie with zero expections, but as someone had been chasing the plot around all the hints for almost ten years the village part is very meh to me
@@aleverettes2789 I wouldn't agree that it makes the third impact have no importance plot wise as both the plots of this and 3.0 are very much based around the fact that it happened and that Shinji feels a lot of guilt and responsibility for causing it. I mean, Shinji's friends staying alive definitely softens some of the impact of the third impact, but I mean this film is obviously trying to be a lot more optimistic than EOE was. I certainly prefer EOE, but I enjoyed this film's positive take on human resiliency in the face of cataclysmic events and I feel like the village sequence does make Shinji's determination to get back in the robot more believable as it shows him that there is still hope for humanity and things worth living for. Not saying that the film is without fault, just explaining my perspective.
Also I don't appreciate you suggesting that I loved this film just because I went into this film with no expectations. I watched the original series and the other rebuilds for the first time about 8 years ago and have read a listened to many fan theories about the Rebuilds. I can respect that you didn’t like the village sequence and thought it was meh, but I don't like this subtle implication that I might've liked the villiage sequence because I'm not a real Eva fan.
@@absolutespider3532 you're right, sorry about that, I should have used "someone" instead of surmising your experience
And yes, the village part did exist to enforce a rather optimistic tone in rebuild movies than in old works, but logically this part just is very tacked-on
As Monkey said in his video, the final movie really should be two separate movies with even more runtime to flush out post-forth-impact world. The whole redemption part is very ill-established
@@aleverettes2789 OK, cool. I will admit that the village sequence probably doesn't really move the plot forward enough considering how long it is. I still really like it though despite that.
And yeah, I do think it wouldn't have hurt if they had a little more time to flesh out the world at the end. The ending did ultimately manage to connect with me emotionally, but I can admit that it was a bit rushed and I can understand why some would feel that it was a kind of a cheap ending.
The village sequence is the most important part of the film for me, it establishes all the themes of the movie and it’s so brilliant.
Yeah it alone could have carried the film, but they decided to not pull a TV Ending and focus on thematic resolution over plot resolution. It combines both. Really this feels like the synthesis of the two previous endings. EoTV says "A better world can exist if you make it so. Accept your faults and realize people love you." End of Eva finished by saying "Life can be better and go on, being around others will help you learn about yourself, but you and others (especially those closest to you) have to live with the consequences of your past actions."
This movie combines both approaches to the Evangelion's message and then tells us "And it really doesn't have to be in the imaginary world of your favorite anime! Where reality and fiction join is troublesome but your life exists outside of that. And you and everyone else can move in a completely new direction! And even if your lives are separate, your connections were real and meaningful!"
@@kolardgreene3096 well put
@@kolardgreene3096 I totally agree with you and totally disagree with this video
This guy totally misses it. Pretty embarrassing that he has an Eva channel and missed the meaning and purpose of the village. Not subscribing to someone like this.
I agree but the second half kind of messed up the whole Rebuild series.
I think people's feelings on the film are linked to what part of the series resonates with them the most.
For me I loved it predominantly for the gendo/shinji resolution.
Same, it was so rewarding (?) To finally see Gendo open up like that, and Shinji to get confident and actually put a lot of trust in Mari, it's a story about overcoming the past (the original Evangelion) and moving on.
Same here, I got emotional when he embraced Shinji.
@@Jsimms1324 same!
Shinji and Gendo were never meant to have a resolution, Gendo didn't deserve that and that's why his death in EoE is so horrifying. Shinji always needed to move past the man that never looked at him and embrace himself instead, which he did. That sequence goes against everything Evangelion was about.
@@Imanmagnet00 rebuild IS meant to go againts what the original evangelion was about, the movie is about people like you who can't let the idea of the og Eva behind. But that's just my opinion.
I find what you said about Gendo to be really interesting because my reaction to it was the complete opposite. I'm probably alone in thinking this, but neither NGE nor EoE managed to make Gendo compelling or interesting for me, which 3.0 + 1.0 did to a degree I'd have never imagined.
In NGE/EoE Gendo came off as an uber simp. This film somehow took that concept and humanized Gendo (wouldn’t say it was original tho).
@@ak-t7d6f I agree with you. I liked it, but it definitely isn't something I've never seen before
To NGE's Gendo defense the show stopped foccusing on Gendo by the end of the series because Shinji himself stopped caring about him, his approval and getting into his good side after the Touji the pilot event. Also he's left out of the human instrumentalization project as a punishment by Kaworu, Rei and Yui (kinda ironic since Yui is the only other character not to join because her soul stays in the eva), so we don't have a moment of introspection from Gendo on TEoE. Still we get some bits of Gendo's inner feelings and relationships and the were way subtler, and also the paralelism to Shinji's personality is there, like, we know he approached Yui for convenience, that he was kind of a weird and aggresive to others, on Yui's death anniversary he shows a softer side to Shinji about his grief. Is the same character but extwnded.
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@@ak-t7d6f I agree. It just happened very fast. I really wish some time in 3.0 had been dedicated to giving Gendo depth or explaining his plan.
I feel like NGE's version of Gendo is just more subtle than 3.0+1.0's, but you can still pick up the things he outright states in the Rebuild, in NGE/EoE.
Maybe you were a bit young when you watched the series and couldn't pick it up.
this is one of those situations where i can't really disagree with most of your points but i don't really find them to be that much of an issue honsetly, i loved the film, i find it fascinating more because it cares more about what it says to the audience than what it says about the world it exists in and i think that's a totally valid way of telling stories, also i find it funny that the story ends with Shinji throwing away everything eva related and getting a gilrfriend in the real world, like, we get it Anno you hate otakus
*Rushes to Amazon to buy a Mari figure*
heheh
@@JJMomoida Relatable
"i find it fascinating more because it cares more about what it says to the audience than what it says about the world it exists in"
This, thank you for putting this into word of what I was thinking as well.
Telling Otakus to pick themselves up and “get a girlfriend” could also be coming from a place of love and empathy too. Remember Anno considers himself to be otaku as well.
Lmao Anno is an Otaku as well.
Art’s a tough thing to criticize. I’ve come to see the plot of most or all of Eva to be no more than just a metaphor for interpersonal conflict between individuals. If taken at face value, yeah it’s jarrring and odd that gendo and shinji would make up their differences like that. But meta-textually, it makes sense. No amount of fighting, no matter how grandiose and world-shattering, will ever fix interpersonal differences until individuals lower their guards between each other and just talk with compassion, empathy, and forgiveness. Which seems to be the major through-line that’s been at the heart of Eva since 1995, really.
No... just no. Gendo and Shinji reconciling goes completely against the 90s series and movie. The point of the originals was about learning to love yourself and a large part of that is not seeking external validation, but providing your own. This is shown through multiple characters and arcs, it's the entire focus of Ep 25 and 26, and EoE in large part too. Gendo is meant to be an unforgivable asshole, and seeking his love is contradictory to the original point of Eva. 3.0 + 1.0 was contradictory in so many ways to the entire franchise before it, and that's probably deliberate, but that doesn't make it good.
@@AllThingsCubey yeah but in this film shinji does not want love from gendo nor does he want to forgive him. He seeks to understand him, in doing so breaks him down into a reflection of himself. Truly anno could have been self inserting into not just shinji but also Gendo. In this film they are exact counter parts. Hope and dispare, more importantly reality and fiction. The union of the two ultimately start 4rth impact similar in direction to EoE. Shinji sholders the burdens of humanities actions not becuase he wants validation but because he wants to for himself. Unlike the original he is hopeful for humanity and wants to fight for it even if it costs him his life and he is forced to confront his father. Or in other words reality. The series took a different direction and as such the characters motives will play a different part. As this is not the same gospel but the third telling. The third dipiction of annos mental outlook on humanity
@@R0undbrush So what's the justification for him re-writing humanity then? He does it for himself, yet it erases people's existences. It erases children who were born, relationships formed... it's psychotic, it's wrong. Shinji is broken in this film, half of it with despair, and the other half he is broken to the point of being unfeeling, and inhuman. It's a terrible ending.
@@AllThingsCubey I think you have some solid points. Both interpretations can coexist and aren’t mutually exclusive though. Gendo being the embodiment of what lies ahead in Shinji’s future if he continues down the path of Nihilism has always been in Eva. Yes the original series is about learning self acceptance but it’s also about connection.
AT fields, the hedgehog’s dilemma, etc., are all there from the beginning to illustrate the difficulty of intimacy.
In all endings, Shinji doesn’t learn to love himself and thus be okay with intimacy with others ironically until all barriers are removed when the world and reality falls apart.
@@AllThingsCubey While the ending message is to accept and love yourself, it isn't in detriment of Gendo's relationship with his son. Also, EoE is far more pessimistic than the ending of ep 26, and while Gendo ends up 'punished' in it, he gets his last moments of empathy. And the message of EoE is to accept the existence of others even if you know that the existence of other individuals will inevitably hurt you, but it also allows the existence of love.
Rebuild 3+1 ends in a far more possitive note, with Shinji also striving to understand others. So it's not out of place for that message to include a redemption for Gendo. Also, the entire movie is full of parallels and contrasts with EoE, with this one also being fairly evident.
I 100% agree, this sums up exactly how I feel about it. I feel like the rebuilds tried to do more of what the manga did instead of the original anime, but the manga did it way, way better.
thing you have to realize is, there is NO ending that would have full filled anyones expectations. No matter what direction taken there would be many disappointed with it. Thats the problem with creating masterpiece work, its incredibly hard to end it. Also waiting for 10 years dreaming of how it could end didn't help. If this came out back in the day right after 3.0 (remember 3.0 and 4.0 where supposed to release at the same time) you would have felt differently about it, but the years and years and years of anticipating it has made it impossible for it to live up to what you dreamed of what could be for over 10 years....
The ending was always going to disappoint, I agree, but what we got was especially badly written and made. People raving about how great they think it was should go look up the Phantom Menace effect. The wait and expectation has paralysed their ability to see how bad it actually was. In a few months they'll realise and despair.
@@YuitoScarlet EoE is messy but said more in 90 minutes than 3+1 did in 154. It's messages are actually consistent with the series before it, and character arcs realised perfectly, while 3+1 totally fails to be consistent or even make sense when placed alongside what came before it, and its character arcs are either poorly handled or non existent.
This is not nostalgia blinding my judgement. EoE is a far better film than this crap was. After 24 years of scrutiny, EoE still stands as a triumph, and I'm tearing holes in 3+1 already which will not be healed by time.
@@YuitoScarlet Sincerely doubt that. Rebuilds are a dumpster fire. You have to force yourself into multiple layers of reach and projection of meaning to make them serviceable films. the amount of mental effort required for me to even craft an acceptable take on the final instalment (not good, just not absolutely awful) is a testament to how poor these works are. You should not have to spend hours theory crafting a way for a movie to work or be good, if it's actually good.
That’s just straight up wrong. Just because SOME people wouldn’t have been satisfied by the ending doesn’t mean you couldn’t have been able to write a finale that would be satisfying for the narrative. The audience’s reaction shouldn’t be the only defining trait to whether or not an ending is satisfying.
Being a casual eva fan has never been better since I didnt have any expectations going in. And I didnt like 3.0. So I ended up liking this ending for rebuild. EOE is better tho
Glad I’m not the only one who felt like this when I watched it
The Gendo Yui realization moment was very abrupt but I think that is why it works kind of well. Gendo spent 20+ years crafting this plan to reunite with Yui because he couldn't face his newfound negative loneliness, embodied as Shinji, he was blind that his wish could never come true without understanding his son. The realization, while very sudden, I think adds to Gendo because all it took was for him to find where Yui really was. I think it was quick and a bit of a narrative stretch, but I think it is somewhat similar to how his story ends in EoE with some extra emotional beats which I liked.
The vast majority of character issues in the series can be fixed with a hug and a few kind words. Kind of sad when you realize that. It's the same way in reality.
@@nicholasgutierrez9940 True!
@@nicholasgutierrez9940 exactly
It reflects Asuka search for get mothers validation, only to find her mother in unit 2 in EoE
I’m just glad that we finally have a conclusion to the rebuilds movie
"3.0+1.0 is like EOE and 3.0 made it in bed, but the outcome was due to a hateful and revengeful sex rather than gently at a expense to be happy desperately"
i honestly really like the village part. idk it really humanises all the characters that they just never got the chance to do. although rei dying was kinda lame in my opinion it just didnt do anything with the story. but everything else i loved about it. also i rather liked CGI rei its garring just like how it was weird and garring in the end of evangelion. and the idea that ecapeism is hard to get out of is why its a loop. ecapeism is just this loop of playing video games to get away from your dutys as an adult to the point of doing everything at the last second, which makes you more stressed and then you end up playing more video games.
Which is also why to me it makes sense for shinji to erase the evas, like telling us to stop using escapism and maybe even evangelion as a way to ignore the real world and our problems
Personal i despised the Rei head because it felt like too much of a callback to EoE like they couldn't make their own new HIP
Seeing Pen^2 reunited with his peeps was nice.
I mean it's understandable he doesn't do anything at the village. He nearly ended the world twice and saw someone he felt very close to die in a gruesome way. He feels like everything he does leads to tragedy and in order to avoid it, he does nothing
exactly how i felt as a teen and I can totally relate
I had to rewatch it and I think that Gendoh's motivations are stupid, simple, and his "redemption" was not deserved. It just feels like he only cares about Shinji up until the end because of Yui
Its crazy how all over the place the community is on the movie. I re-watched Rebuild before starting it last weekend and I loved 3.0+1.0. I will need to see how it holds up in the future, I'd rank it alongside EoE. I'm not a writer so I'm having trouble articulating, but this movie, in conjunction with what the rest of Rebuild, really made feel Shinji (and Misato, and Gendo/Lookalike to lesser degrees) had grown as people in a meta way. Whether that's over the 25 years of IRL time, the in universe resets, or as extensions of Anno himself.
I hear the complaints, but I just don't agree with them myself. The village/Rei stuff felt like something new to the series but familiar, like a Ghibli vibe, while also doing more to flesh out all of these characters and the world outside of the Nerv/Wille crew that we've always been with. About the CGI weirdness, I think it fits well with the tone of the events, and is just a modern take on the stuff from EoE. As for the no Eva reality, I didn't get the impression that the actual character build up was wiped since the characters seemed to have their memories, and they explicitly showed Asuka making it back to the village. I could definitely see "Eva gone, rebuild fucked world now" working, but I don't think it would fit with what they were going for here.
The only thing I'm not that big on was the Shikinami revelation. I really didn't see what this change brought to the table overall.
People who watched it emotionally seem to love it. People who watched it objectively hate it. If you ask me, a film that creates strong emotional responses but is objectively a bad film (and this is, it really, really is) is just manipulative. Once you've caught feels, it's hard to be objective and actually think about it. Lots of people saying "I don't agree with the complaints" but the complaints are almost all valid, evidenced, and can be proven correct on principle. The defence is just "I don't agree, I felt good from it."
Eva is a thinking man's anime, and the audience who loves this film appear to be refusing to think.
@@AllThingsCubey A movie can have lots of flaws and still be great if it connects with you in a meaningful way.
@@AllThingsCubey perfect analysis
@@AllThingsCubey I COMPLETELY disagree with you. Eva is a “thinking mans anime” (whatever that means) because you have built it up as such and interpreted it as such. I feel like the literal entire message of this show just sailed right over your head. This movie, especially the word vomit of new metaphysical sounding terms towards the end, really feels like Anno screaming at the fans to stop trying to pick this series’s lore apart and just listen to the message, and say goodbye.
The lore is always intentionally vague and just intended as symbolism. The true message of this series has always been an emotional one. The more you try to pick apart and understand this show (like defining it as the thinking mans anime) the less sense it makes. When you accept the absolute destruction of the fourth wall that instrumentality really is, and listen to the message Anno is communicating, the series becomes infinitely more enjoyable.
I find it hilarious that you use terms like “thinking mans anime” and try to prove that this film was “objectively bad”. None of that was ever the point of this show, and the more you obsess over and pick apart the actual events of the series, the more you’re missing the point.
Also, not to be a complete prick, but you going through every single comment under this video shitting all over the film whenever people compliment it, is the exact form of unhealthy obsession that Anno is trying to discourage with his ultimate message of “Go outside”. Just some food for thought.
@@Nate0808 You've just projected an entire opinionated argument onto "what Anno is telling us." Sorry to disappoint you but it's really not.
I feel that the Eva Imaginary was purposely made with shitty CGI because it’s the combination of both reality and fiction in the rebuild universe. For example, the hair has a traditional animated look while the whole face is way too uncannily real for it to exist in Eva’s universe (AKA a 2D world).
Although it still could’ve been better executed because it just screams Oh Khara must have ran out of budget with this section.
That's exaclty what I thought. If a 2D object suddenly manifested in our world, no one would truly be able to grasp it. The best way to convey the message was for the Rei/Lilith head to look as Angela Anaconda as humanly possible
@@spacecowboy3569 Yeah because 2D is the fictitious reality in our world, while in Eva, a 3D giant ultra realistic human head with animated hair is a combination of both worlds. In our reality it would be a 2D simplified human face with real life hair.
Exactly what I was thinking, that could also apply to the part where Eva 01 and 13 fight in a movie set replica of Tokyo-3.
I think the intent was it to be unsettling as possible like Giant Naked Rei from EoE without outright copying it.
@@wiseman46237 Yeah, so much of this film could've been an outright rip-off of EoE when you think about it. I'm glad Anno didn’t go that route by simply remaking EoE but worsening it. I felt the new movie was fresh, but with a tiny hint of familiarity.
I'm incredibly curious what the original third act of the film explored by comparison of the rewrite Anno made, it was likely more subdued and less focused on being a nonstop exposition and contrivance headache.
I think it probably would've been more about Gendo being reborn as Kaworu and Yui as Rei. That is pretty much what what I thought the main thing of the ending was before watching the movie. Still do actually as the rest of the stuff just seems like filler and fluff as well the contrivance headache stuff.
@@manhornhead2659 If exploring Gendo's character and motivation was an overall theme of the rebuilds, this would have felt like a much more appropriate conclusion to me. Unfortunately, the Rebuilds don't really focus on learning more about characters beyond what we are already familiar with, when 'rebuilding' the series by putting the spotlight on the lesser-known aspects of Gendo, Yui, etc. would have been far more interesting than just cramming it into an already bloated third-act.
@@TheJsoull
I think most of the characters are there to justify Gendo in some way.
I'm wondering whether or not Anno was weakest link in this film. I'm almost positive he would've been responsible for the Gendo-centred theme of this film.
Since 3.0 I've been of the mindset that it's Gendo not Shinji who is the directorial self insert in Evangelion, not just in the rebuilds either. I've even heard that the original Gendo character design was based off of Anno, which if true is just so very ironic in so many ways.
Which is kind of why my biggest fear for the final, even though after 3.0 I had mostly checked out, was Gendo disappearing into the stars with Rei and Yui, or Rei/Yui and Shinji getting a generic start your life again thing. Which is kind of what I think happened here, only it was Gendo being reborn in Kaworu and Rei in Yui I think, and they didn't disappear into the stars with the black moon. I think the Gendo-centric theme of this is what Anno cared about doing in Rebuild, this one at least, the rest just seemed like it was a hollow afterthought, which kind of shows in this film.
My hopes were a bit up for this film
Given that the tape player is Gendo's, Shinji's different take charge personality, Yui's Ayanami maiden name, The whole line "I don't care about the world I care about..." I had the hope that there would be a twist ending in this film where it turns out Rebuild Shinji is the original Gendo reborn, and that there was a flip flop between Gendo and Shinji that happened in Rebuild. And after redeeming himself and the world Shinji drifts alone in unit 01 or unit 13 since it's his sin or some shit until he meets the EoE unit 01 where it is revealed or hinted that Rebuild SHinji is the original Gendo or some kind of scenario where it's hinted or revealed in some way, would've completely blown my mind. It would've felt more evangeliony in it's subtlety as I looked back on all the hints while at the same time forcing me to have sympathy for Gendo. It probably would've been more believable and seemed more planned out then that contrived and convoluted 'Negative Adam, Spear of Galgolek Tooritooku' BS that had me clenching like I was in a dentist chair getting a scrape n polish.
But alas all the contrived lines/actions seemed like they were pretty much there to gain understanding and/or justification for gendo. That thing with Misato's kid in this film was pretty stupid and transparent, it reduced her character to a plot device to justify Gendo to the audience. Which miffed me since she is one of my favs. Shinji not being able to think of a name for Rei Q seemed dumb and pretty loaded too.
I wouldn't say the film is bad either, I mean that lore babble was the worst I had ever seen, but there is stuff I like it's just the stuff I like feels hollow and is overshadowed by the Gendo-centric theme of this film which feels like he didn't earn in the first place.
Even though I pretty much just viewed rebuild as pretty pictures, that maybe might have some concepts I like and can incorporate into my Eva brain vault, Having rebuild finish on such a mediocre final is a disappointing way to end a legendary franchise like this.
There are those that genuinely liked the film though and I am happy for them. And I could be completely wrong too and this movie triggers a whole new bunch of Evangelion fans. Which leads to more stuff I hope.
@@TheJsoull Sorry I think I lost my point there . , which was pretty much that in Rebuild I think a lot of Gendo's character and motivations were indirectly explored and justified through other characters.
You're right about it pretty much being a repeat of stuff we know. That part with Gendo putting up an AT-Field and saying is SHinji the one i'm afraid of? I think was meant to be shocking or something but it wasn't since it was already said in EoE.
@@manhornhead2659 You explained your points pretty well, for me it just comes down to the lost potential in regards to 'rebuilding' a series that's built upon such iconic characters. Instead of focusing on the core strengths of where the series began, it doubles down on empty spectacle and deep-lore babble which holds no purpose outside of giving vague context to the action seen on screen. That's not to say NGE didn't have really silly moments of nonsensical exposition - but it was few and far between.
I never really cared too much about the rebuilds and honesty this film just made me want to rewatch EoE.
Depression post EoE gang rise up
yeah after finishing it I thought eoe was the perfect end and I really didn't need this way too happy ending
Same
Same, this film had too much of Anno's egocentric shit wanting to show people he doesn't give a fuck about eva anymore and we should not care neither and stop thinking about theories just go out get a girlfriend and friends and make money
@@gabmosmessi a strange message coming from Japan of all places
Legit I said some of the exact same things while watching the film as Eva Monkey, thank you for summing this up in a cohesive way.
The villiage sequence for Shinji was used to convey his emotional and mental fight with himself and his ultimate overcoming of his weakness. Seeing Rei vaporise after her she finally showed any form of humanity and her feeling towards him was his turning point to want to reconcile with everything and everyone that he feels he letdown with his actions. It is a flip flop of Shinji's character as a whole.
its very subtle, but his eyes are red in the next shot of shinji when he says he wants to boad the ship, he was crying when rei exploded
@@matowakan and as shown in his final chat with Kauru, the was the last time he cries.
I wish I could better explain why I felt this movie was amazing, but I’d probably have to go into a long discussion of how I was a teenager when I first watched the original and how this movie hits me at a much different point in my life where the themes of overcoming trauma feel more relatable.
One note, I thought the uncanny valley Rei head was freaking wonderful. It was unexpected and surreal, which is exactly what I wanted.
Major agree. It was a movie made for us who grew up with it. We finally saw Shinji grow up with us.
I don't like the ending is
Poor written we have a lack information is shinji In the anti universe? Shinji redo the universe contradicting the third film you can not redo shinji is escaping reality another time he do something in the anti universe and make a world without Eva I think that the ending lack of too many vital information and then shinji is in a relationship with a no sense character like Mari or they are friend we need more information
@@304Blaise I’m still in my early 20s and feel more relation to NGE/EOE Shinji as a character at the moment. But I can tell that the Shinji of the rebuilds is a character that has grown and changed so much since then. I’ll have to revisit the rebuilds later in life I think to see if I can better empathize them now.
Great video! I wasn't really expecting anything from this film and it still disappointed me. The animation was amazing though. I think the Rebuilds are just that, a visual upgrade with great music, but for me, the true heart of Evangelion is in the TV series and EoE. Like you, I'm glad people found enjoyment in 3.0+1.0, I wish I could have liked it the same way
Nearly a year after this video's release, and you're still right. Unfortunately, this will be milk since more stuff of this will be continued.
I simply don’t understand how someone could love this film without being braindead.
@@P4Z44K Plenty only wanted a "happy" ending regardless how it could affect everything as a whole or how the author felt. For real, you can make a list of things wrong in these movies, and the downside are gonna overshadow any upside from these movies by a wide margin.
Plus, just reading them justifying things just by using meta rather than the story itself is quite pitiful and funny af, and try confirming everything will end here when this guy first said that in the Amazon interview to change that message by stating that more movies are on its way.
I have mixed feelings on the scenes with Gendo embracing Shinji...
On the one hand, as someone who has been a fan of Evangelion and as someone who has daddy issues (which is part of the reason why I was able to connect with the franchise and relate to the characters so much to begin with), it is pretty nice to see them sharing a hug.
On the other hand, I kind of liked the sort of "unresolved tragedy" of EoE a lot more, that Shinji and Gendo never really did resolve their conflicts, and Gendo only just admitted he fucked up before being metaphorically consumed by Unit 01. Plus, if I really want cathartic "daddy issues being resolved" anime, I'd just watch Clannad After Story.
Personally, and maybe I'm just biased because I've been shipping Shinji and Asuka since way back when, I was not a big fan of Mari winning at the end. Maybe if Mari was actually given an interesting personality, I would have been okay with it, but Mari is just so boring as a character imo. She has an admittedly attractive character design, but I need more than a pretty face if I'm going to root for two characters to be together. But again, maybe I'm just biased, because I've been an advocate of ShinjixAsuka for so many years, lol.
Hopefully I didn't piss off too many people with my opinion...
There was no reason for Misato to die. Compare to EoE, there was no struggle for survival for the crew, and we are repeatedly told that every crew member left the ship. It makes no sense for a ship that advanced doesn't have an autopilot mode. She died for the plot sake, which is horrible. And it looked as if she was abandoning her responsibility as a mother. Misato was a flawed adult who tried to do her best in the original series; now, she is an unreasonable, horrible person.
The thing with Misato's kid was very obviously just there to justify the Gendo Shinji thing. Kaji jnr was there solely there for that, he may as well not have existed after appearing on screen. Misato dying was probably just thrown in there for extra drama, I couldn't feel much for it though since it was like watching a plot device dying.
@@manhornhead2659 i just thought Misato died for her son, so he could live on without succumbing to another impact.
@@Esandeech2 Anno said that over time he sympathises more with Gendo. Anno made rebuild for Gendo. All Shinji is in this is commentary on Eva Otaku's and a plot device golem thing to help the audience understand and justify Gendo.
I think just about everything in this is defined through those two mandates.
Misato and her kid is the most obvious Gendo justification and understanding plot device thing in my opinion.
I appreciated the glam shot scene flashback to End of Evangelion with Asuka. Just imagining how the film would have been if it picked up from that point...
The only thing I really agree with is that the ending would have been better if they rebuilt the world instead of just creating a different world and kinda just redoing the manga ending. Otherwise I had a great time watching it and felt rewarded for my investment in the series.
Though of course, the Rebuilds still don't hold a candle to the series/EoE. Probably not the manga, either.
Evangelion: It was (not) a reboot.
rebuilds way easier to recommend to others I found
I feel that whole series has been built on an endless loop and that he finally ended that loop. I don't think he rebuilt anything, he just simply removed the eva's to become what that world would have always been.
I don't take it as rewritten it but its more like reverse Impact undo the things that related with human Instrumentality project as gendo said first and second were purifying earth and sea the ending shows the earth can be habitable again thats my opinion
That's where I disagree with a lot of people criticizing the movie tho... The rebuilds are not a remake! They are not intended to be a remake or a reboot, and imo the ending somewhat proves that.
Basically the point of these movies wooooshed over your head
I knew from the moment I finished watching the film that many longtime Evangelion fans would have problems with it. As for me, I think it's about as good a conclusion as Rebuild possibly could have had. It structurally defied almost every expectation I had for it, in a good way. In my opinion, the village sequence was crucial for Shinji's growth as a character, as well as that of Rei Q and Asuka. The action setpieces were inspiring to me, as an animator, myself. I was even totally down with the kind of focus Gendo received, as a more traditional villain.
Also, as a huge fan of the other works of Studio Gainax, Khara, and Trigger, I felt this film's climax was stylistically on-brand for its creators, and it brought me immense nostalgia. It was surprisingly nice to see Evangelion handle itself this way, with such an emphasis on spectacle and optimism. It wonderfully compliments the opposing tone of the original series, and mirrors how Anno's attitude has evolved, over time. My only critical issue was with the backloaded overabundance of lore, and with the Spear of Gaius feeling like a massive deus ex machina. That all could have been revised, for sure, but I can shrug it off because the emotional impact of the ending still lands, for me. Every character felt like they got a proper sendoff, and I loved the metacommentary that ties Rebuild back into the original series. It all worked for me, but I can 100% understand why it wouldn't, for someone else.
Absolutely agree on this.
The more I watch the different version of Eva just makes me think Anno had a really cool idea about a humanoid mecha anime but really doesn't have an idea where to take a plot like this to a reasonable piece of media with a well paced plot or explanation.
FINALLY someone who I agree with. I felt crazy seeing everyone love it.
THANK YOU, this is the video is just needed, thanks. I feel the same way.
After watching it two times now I think Evangelion 3.0+1.0 is a very good movie and a satisfying conclusion for the Neon Genesis Evangelion Franchise.
Considering the fact that I was very skeptical about it because I didn't like the previous movie Evangelion: 3.0 You Can (Not) Redo and my worst fears were that Evangelion 3.0+1.0 will end up like How I met your Mother Season 9, Game of Thrones Season 8 or Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker (all of those things are a complete trainwreck imo), I was pleasantly surprised that it wasn't that.
Is Evangelion 3.0+1.0 perfect? Hell no.
Will it satisfy everyone? Of course not. That's impossible. You can't please everyone.
I for my part was satisfied.
I give Evangelion 3.0+1.0 a 8/10.
The only problems I have with this movie were some unnecessary fan service scenes, a few 3D CGI fight scenes that looked a bit jerky at times and the new backstory from Asuka Langley. I don't know but I found this new backstory a little weird and unnecessarily complicated. I think Asuka in general deserved more screentime in the movie but that's my personal point of criticism now.
I actually think the cgi parts felt like a meta commentary on the spinoff films given that entire sequence was them ridiculing that.
@@manaaimjeaiff403 The CGI almost feels like a fuck you to the entire industry. Equivalent of dropping the mic and quitting anime forever. Kind of ruined the movie but what are you gonna do.
@@glizzytoucher2301 anno is anno after all
@@manaaimjeaiff403 There are unfortunately very few 2d mechanical designers left who could do the kind of work this movie should have had. I'm happy Anno gets to move on to live action now.
Tbh, I was just as underwhelmed as you Eva Monkey and actually even more so. The movie just felt so rushed and all the new concepts the film introduced never felt as impactful as the movie wanted it to be. The action was excessive visual overload and the plot was very weak and didn’t make me feel any strong emotional resonation with the characters, nor made me even slightly invested in the conflict they were trying to stop. And it overall felt like a story with a ton of stuff to tell but was told with the depth of a puddle. So all in all I’m glad these Rebuilds are over and I never want to see them again lol.
But for those who did enjoy the film, I’m more than glad you did and found some kind of closure.
I have a feeling you’ll see them again. Never say never. On a side note, I think everyone has their preferred ending to Eva. There are some people who are satisfied with the original endings and there are people like me who are satisfied with this ending. I think it’s great that most people have a choice on this. Thanks for the kind words for people who liked it.
funny how a movie delayed for 14 years felt rushed
@@Jsimms1324 You’re welcome bro.
1.0 and 2.0 are the hobbit trilogy. Mostly imitating the ones that worked, missing what actually made them special. 3.0 and 3+1 are the last Jedi. Well intentioned or mean is an interpretation, but it focused on the meta to the point it broke my immersion.
If Anno is happy, good for him what can I say.
Nah, comparing 3.0 to The Last Jedi is asking for trouble. This kills the hell out of that film.
The Last Jedi is an abysmal dumpster fire. Do not compare this movie to any of the Star Wars sequel trilogy
@@lukejones7164 3.0 and 3.1 are also a dumpster fire of meta noise. They are soulless.
@@Kaiyanwang82 A film about moving on from emotional trauma, building healthy relationships and rejecting escapism is "soulless". Whatever you say bro 😂.
You clearly have shit taste, seethe and cope weeb 🤣.
@@lukejones7164 I don't watch much anime. Those were clearly the intentions of the author, but this doesn't mean that he didn't come out with a cashgrab that is also an inconsistent borefest with excessive CGI use. All he had to say, he said it with the original. An actual artist would have done something new, but he needed money and feared risk.
"It felt like a fever dream the first time I watched it"
One cannot escape the glory of Evangelion Imaginary
I am confused as to why you found the manga ending better though. It's almost the same as 3.0+1.0's end, a new EVA-less world for the characters to live in, but all their memories are erased. It's a reset, a new game with no carry-over of previous EXP. Shin's ending felt more satisfying to me because the characters kept their development.
This is how I feel. The manga hints at some residual memory at best. It's hopeful, but it feels all too easy, relying on serendipitous encounters between the characters while pushing their learned lessons to the side. It's a positive ending, but a more unsurprising and plain version of what shin provided
What it usually comes down to is Shinji ending up with Mari, people just cant take it. And its almost the sole difference to the manga. Best to let people be salty about it, some things are best enjoyed on a personal level. =)
@@loki2311 I don't even interpret it as them 100% ending up together. It's more proof that he's grown and confident enough to flirt back. He runs off with her to show that he's heading off into a completely new direction but still with another person, one familiar with his past. He's leaving the past behind and entering a new world without throwing away the memories and connections he made before. Those connections still matter because they made him who he is now. At least that's how I see it. Will they be romantically together? I don't think it matters that much
It becomes clear by the final act that the lore and plot aren't important anymore. That's Anno (Shinji) sitting at that train station and that's his wife (Mari) removing the DSS choker (the burden of Evangelion), hand-in-hand starting their new life. Although I understand the criticism for the narrative's lack of cohesion, I can't help but admire Anno's sincere attempt at reflecting on his work and trying to say something while breaking some rules.
That’s exactly how I took it all those disjointed parts are just different meta aspect being laid bare. People who watched for crazy action, got it in spades no matter how nonsensical it was. People who liked the biblical and existential side even though it really wasn’t the focus he turned it up to 11. The fourth wall breaks and meta commentary on the fact it’s an anime. The parts where it gives psychological closure to some themes and the meta narrative of how anime affected us and anno. It was really anno saying look you guys have all been saying different things about this film. Here it’s over take and get out.
That's all fine and dandy but also the film and it's plot are about its characters first and foremost. NGE was great because of its plot, the world and its characters.
At this point everyone knows the meta narrative, that doesn't exactly redeem this film being bad.
I like how she carefully put the DSS in her pocket.
Thank you, from your points about wanting to like it, to the fact it feels so slooooooooooooooow and the just sheer amounts of vagueness and shoehorning was so painful.
Your point about feeling broken at the end is exactly how I felt. It's just like mehhhhhh, what did this do that EoE or Nge didn't already say😶😶
It did say in a very contrived and forced way that not only did Shinji not grow with Anno's last two endings, but that he isn't allowed to grow in eva and can only be a child.
@@manhornhead2659 Absolutely ya 🫠
@@5thar Also said that Shinji really only saw Rei as a Waifu/mother doll, not even a Rei doll but an Ayanami doll.
Also that Rei showing her individuality and being her own person means being away from Shinji and hooking up with the pretty boy version of Gendo, because Rei was created for SHinji or something.
That was done twice too in this with Clone Asuka and Kensuke. Not only was it a contrived and out of the blue way for Anno to throw the whole clone "I'm not your doll" thing back at SHinji but also I think it was anno commenting on the creepy romance thing with Rei and Gendo in the originals. Like the idea of a clone, an adult in a childs body finding individuality and earthly desires by hooking up with an adult definitely has some connection to Rei and Gendo, or it's Annos' Shinji-screwing indirect way commenting on that.
Hey man, we all have our opinions, I deeply respect yours, since you are a positive voice in the community, even though I don't fully agree. You made some good points, the movie definitely has its flaws, but it's happy ending for me did it, as well as the first part of the film which was a slow burn. Idk I'm still processing the movie... But yeah I just liked it
I can’t help but feel like even if everything was the same but the ending didn’t leave us in the real world, safe and free from any scars of the series but dumped us back into the village. It was happy enough there and the proof that life can be rebuilt would be enough of a happy ending for me. The “real world” ending feels cheap and like it just invalidates the series. It’s the classic “it was a dream” ending, but not.
Oh, man! I really share your point of view, i feel the same way. Now i feel that i'm not alone thinking that the movie was, well, something that i need to be happy with, but i'm not and that is frustrating seeing everyone sharing their joy and the awesomeness of the film. It didn't resonate with me at all, but still i'm happy that i'm alive and well to share this movie and this moments with the people i love.
Same here! I was sad and felt bad that i couldnt enjoy it, like the many others. But after reading some other comments and watching his video, i realized that i am not the only one who disliked the movie.
@@hundesnapper i feel you.
I personally really loved the film, i really don’t know how to rationalise it, I just feel...happy, content and comfortable, I have the feeling of a warm hug, I don’t know if I have bad taste in movies, or my perception of the franchise is whack, but as someone who loves this series so hard, with such as special part in my heart, I felt happy. And honestly that’s kind of all that matters to me, genuinely it doesn’t bother me at all to see someone say otherwise, I’d thought I’d be angry or offended at someone for disagreeing but I just can’t muster any anger towards them, I just know I liked it and I’m perfectly happy in the fact I liked it, not bothered by what anyone else felt and I won’t begrudge them on that. After all we’re individuals, not just a conscienceless puddle of orange liquid.
can i get a Amen?
@@matowakan everyone gets an amen
Summed up my thoughts perfectly.
I felt an unexpected amount of peace and comfort when I finished 3.0+1.01 just like I felt chaos and despair with EoE.
@@ak-t7d6f yeah, while I love EOE and thought it was a fitting end, I really appreciated a more concretely optimistic feeling ending
This movie really felt like Anno was trying to tell us to move on, and I respect it. I didn’t like it, but I really do admire it. Anno clearly wants to move on, and this movie felt almost bitter- towards the fans, to the series, to its commercialization. We’ll always have NGE and EoE, but if you want a meta-commentary on this series and a good window into Anno’s relationship with his series- this is it.
It very much is kind of a contrived trollish psyke aimed at Eva Otakus IMO.
I liked the village scenes and following Rei Q's story and Shinji overcoming his traumas at the beginning. But once Shinji got on that ship, the movie became a chaotic mess. I have no idea how this is the same studio that did the second movie, which was sooooo good.
I really wanted to love it with how cryptic 3.33 was, but I just couldn't that much. The village part was really beautiful and I get what they were trying to show but it could have just been condensed or maybe just skip the ship fight before it idk. I really just can't understand why the Movies needed Mari and she had like 2 seconds of lore. She was just OP and Shinjis mommy GF because reasons? I'm happy people liked it, but it really just made me want to rewatch the blu ray rips.
'I have no strong feelings one way or the other' is a phrase that somes up my thoughts on it.
It feels safe, like I have an idea of where they might have gone, not going into whether or not I liked the direction, but they decided to do the safe route in an attempt to please everybody but ends up pleasing nobody.
The village scene is the best bit in it, I get the meaning behind it, but i couldn't get into it mostly because I was just imagining the better, more interesting stuff you mentioned that could of replaced it.
I didn't have hope for a Shinji/Asuka ending I saw the writing on the wall in 3.0. but I get the feeling that the Kensuke Asuka thing was meant to be more meaningful or impactful then it actually was. When you can insert any made up character in Kensukes place and get the same result it is hard to generate meaning behind it, it stuck me as bit lazy, like they couldn't be bothered thinking up a new character and of the known ones Kensuke just fit the bill the best. As for impact, when you're half expecting there to be scene with Shinji fapping while he peeps on Asuka and Mari going at it, then any blunted version of a similar scene/concept kind of tickles.
I hadn't thought about eva in a while but the trailers for this got my hopes up a bit. Even thinking of potential ways to have my mind blown. Like given how many of Shinji's actions can be attributed to the original gendo I had the hope of Rebuild Shinji turning out to be the original Gendo-reborn, and after letting go of Rei redeeming himself/the world he disappears alone in unit 01 or unit13 until he floats next to the EoE unit01. You could of even had an interesting Shinji/Gendo flip flop thing going on where it turns out the guy you were rooting for in rebuild turns out to be the guy you were rooting against in the original, and the guy you were rooting against in Rebuild turns out to be guy you were rooting for in the original. My hopes for that kind of ending were dashed when the reason for rebuild-shinji going through what Gendo went through with Yui was spelled out to me.
While I'm not deluded enough to hope for a Rei Shinji ending. I was hoping for something sweeter, like he gives one of the Rei's his face and the message to live her life away from Eva, Nerv, Gendo and him, and Rei Ayanami is reborn as Rei Ichigo, with Shinji giving a last goodbye to Asuka and him asking her to help Rei Ichigo live. What pisses me off is that this movie had a perfect set up to do exactly that but didn't. But you know, who's to say ReiII didn't end up in mari, as her character needs all the filling she can get.
The best concept I got from it was the idea that Shinji and Yui share one soul. Like due to there being no souls left in the chamber of guf, Yui sacrificed her soul to Shinji so he could have one. If that is the case then it confirms a lot of the negative stuff I thought about eva, but it also raises Yui's whole deal from 'anime mother sacrifice' trope to another level, and actually gave me some sympathy to Gendo, while also giving Mari's character some depth and much much much needed intrigue.
Basically I was thinking that maybe Mari is the beastial spirit in the evangelion, the one that tried to become one with Shinji when he was absorbed in the original. I could be reaching there and all that Yui/Shinji and Mari stuff is just my imagination. If true it would also prove the formula that Space Runner Ideon + The Seventh Sign/Seal(the Demi Moore one)= Evangelion.
My biggest fear for this was that it was going to be a generic start your life again Shinji' thing while Gendo disappears into the stars with Rei/Yui. After watching it I find myself wondering did some version of that happen? I'm really not sure the concepts and stuff are too mixed and kind of conflicting to be sure of anything really. You're right about Gendo being the core of this story, with events and some characters revolving around SHinji/audience gaining insight and understanding into his father, the character most notable for this being Misato.
I like that you mentioned the suspension of disbelief. ONe of the things I liked about the original was the subtle way it made the characters, world, tech/mech and even the mythology seem like they could be real. There really is none of that in Rebuild.
I couldn't like it or hate it, is that bad or good?
I understand your criticisms, but my only real problems with it personally are in the middle section because of messy action and confusing lore babble. Those things don't really lower my overall emotional reaction though. I guess it "technically" makes it a worse film, but it doesn't detract from the stuff I consider good, which is mostly the meta stuff and character moments. I think people who expect a satisfying story conclusion to the rebuilds themselves will be mixed, but I expected it to be a finale to all of Evangelion, on which it delivered. I don't care about the plot holes and stuff like that, because it all made sense on an emotional and meta-narrative level.
Overall, a very messy film, but the best stuff in the mess is the best I could have ever expected and overall I'm very satisfied.
9/10.
I dont think that a lot of people realise its a meta narrative. It's a reflection on the past works and a conclusion to an era of Anno.
I’ve loved evangelion for years now, but ever since 3.0, I just lost all interest in the remakes and future projects. Many years have passed since the original work, and Anno himself did change also. I think the TVA is the true and complete eva in my heart.
Excluding my personal preference towards the TVA, I felt the screenplay was just structurally sloppy since 3.0.
"I’ve loved evangelion for years now, but ever since 3.0, I just lost all interest in the remakes and future projects." That is pretty much my feelings exactly.
I don't think it's really that Anno changed either, as I see a lot of the same frustrations I have with the originals in this story. Only it's has the very ridiculous stuff added in there.
This movie is about Anno finding his happiness and adjusting Evangelion to fit his new worldview, so I’m confused as to why people genuinely see this as pure Evangelion and praise it as such. It does not mirror the original in any way other than visual callbacks, and can not really be viewed as an Evangelion continuation.
The characters are husks of their formal selves, and the unique resolutions they could have reached as individuals were cast aside to instead push Shinji forward.
I always interpreted Eva’s message as “Life can be painful, relationships can be scary, but the people around you have their own problems and struggles as well. Learn to love and accept yourself, and then reach out to the people around you. You can be happy in this difficult world.”
A huge emphasis in this is on the other characters and their lives.
But the resolution to this movie is
“If you’re reaching a dark place, someone will come to save you from yourself. As Long as you have their Support, you can rejoin society.”
The Hard reset shows how Little the other characters mean anymore. This story is about Anno (represented by Shinji and Gendo) being saved by his wife (Mari and Yui).
If you’d like to praise this movie, then praise it as Anno’s autobiographical mecha self insert fiction, but this is not Evangelion. After reading several first reactions to the ending, I feel as though I enjoyed a different Evangelion than the people who openly welcome the final rebuild.
I also disapprove of anyone praising or sympathizing with Gendo because of this film. An unfortunate past does not justify destroying the futures of everyone around you.
Because I cared about the characters, not Anno's plot line. No ill will or offense to the guy, but I cannot resonate at all with him writing in his wife as a superhero to come save him, at the expense of everything else. And why? Because we didn't get the message to avoid escapism the first time? How would he even know or decide if the audience did or did not? Did he just receive 1 too many weeb den pics, and said fuck it, lets burn it all down.
@@michael5045 No, I completely agree. My original comment may not have been clear enough, but I’m also frustrated that the entire series has became Anno’s life.
What I was trying to say was that I don’t understand the praise that this movie is receiving BECAUSE it’s all about Anno now. I’ll edit my original comment to reflect that better.
But about escapism… as long as Evangelion is selling, SOMEONE will use it for escapism. I feel like Anno projects his problems onto the audience and then scolds us for what he does. We are not the ones producing the movies, we are just fans enjoying the art that he made.
I also feel like the group of people who dive head first into escapism would not understand that Eva was scolding them. It’s hard to convey a harsh message while also using nuance.
With that being said, Anno decided to destroy the Evangelion that we loved, so it’s baffling to me that people praise the destruction as if it’s a continuation.
Excuse my edited response.
@@Scrimblo28 anno continuing to harp on about otaku culture and escapism or whatever is a bit disingenuous considering how heavily merchandised Evangelion is. The designs for the main mechas were changed around so that they would be considered new enough that khara could use those designs in figures lmao
I respectfully disagree on your interpretation of Rebuild’s message. The way I see it, is that life is about relationships. It’s wrong to make someone your source of happiness (like Gendo did with Yui, or Kaworu did with Shinji), because if you lose that person, then you lose your happiness. But at the same time, you can’t shut yourself off from the world or people, because there are people in this world that care about you and willing to help you through your struggles. Hence the name “You Are (Not) Alone” in one of the Rebuild movie titles. Shinji, or Anno in this case, learns this, and embraces this reality to let people in rather than shut them out.
Cry some more
My favorite out of all of them was 3.00 it was just so emotional and sad I cried so hard through the movie I mean it was just so sad when Lisa to was saying how she doesn’t trust shinji and Kauro’s death was heart breaking people hate shinji for crying but you have to realize that losing almost the whole world and making it your fault is just so sad to think about
Watching the documentary about Anno after I finished the movies made me appreciate these movies even more. People will critic it but honestly, I think Anno did his best to end the series. The pacing is irregular at times but consider that this movie was still being made during the pandemic. I’m just thankful that Anno gave us this happy ending for Shinji.
Congratulations, Anno we are proud of you.
Honestly, the ending was too optimistic for my taste. Seeing Shinji becoming a man at the end was a bit unearned, rushed, and unrealistic. I feel like people misunderstood what end of evangelion was trying to say. Shinji was able to stilly improve by little bit, which is realistic. The best way to understand Eva is to pay attention and understand what characters are saying and going through rather than the action scenes, world building, etc because that’s what I did when I watched it the second time and finally understood why people say it’s one of the best shows of all time. the original show is just about a masterpiece in my opinion. Honestly I pretty much agreed with everything that Jobby in his review.
This is like the last jedi of evangelion
This whole rebuild series was a dumpster fire man, I really wanted to like it but it feels like it focuses on the wrong areas. I don't want to be told Kaji just dies off-screen like a hero, I want to see the bits that helped set the world. I don't want to be straight up told Asuka is part of a clone series, put more clues and hint towards it early on throughout the movie, rather than just info-dumping the viewer at the near end. One other issue I had was the INSANE power creep that occurred over the course of the four movies. Going from one eva being a threat to fighting billions of these mock-evas head on like combo-fodder in a shoot-em-up removes any tension from the movie and makes it look ridiculous in comparison. In EoE, Asuka having to fight the perfect series Eva makes the viewer really feel the high stakes and emotion, and isn't afraid to pull any punches. The scope in that fight is much smaller, but it's much more isolating and terrifying to watch.
Once again, they really should have focused on new ideas for 3.0 + 1.0. Did we really need a fifth impact to attempt to fix the effects of the third and fourth? Did we really need a negative Adam? Did we really need another giant Rei when that's happened twice before in the rebuilds? Being able to see more of what happened in that 14 year time skip would have made the film more interesting and could have shown the viewers that interesting lore they just kinda dump on us instead through passing conversation and dialogue.
100% agreed I had all the same thoughts when I wanted this. The ending felt rushed. The first half should have been far shorter. I didn't hate it but wished it had a better ending than resetting everything. The first two films where such a masterpiece I knew it would be hard to live up to them but wish we had an ending that didn't feel so rushed.
Im pretty sure, starting with 3.33 the creators idea was to find the best way of pissing everyone off. This explains a lot of bullshit in last two debuilds: EVERYTHING is polished to perfect state of pissing somebody off. It does that job well, too well.
I had a feeling that some of the old guard of Eva might dislike this movie a lot and I can understand it. It's more conventional and definitely sheds some of what made original eva great. I personally love it though. I think the last 20 minutes or so are some pretty moving stuff and it did really land for me. Sorry to hear you didn't get out of the movie what you wanted.
People dont dislike this movie because it is "conventional" or "not like the original". people dont like this movie movie cause it was structured and written badly. Its very hard to argue with anything that has been said in this video. Except via the obviouis "meh, But I liked it" argument which can be found in this comment section.
@@Winterhe4rt I take it you didn’t like it lol. I don’t really dispute too much of what was in the video. I think there is a lot of good writing that happens in the movie too though. I will admit that the journey getting to the conclusion is a bit messy and at times sloppy. It still worked for me though. I think saying positive thoughts on the movie are just “meh but I liked it” are a bit reductive.
It's a bad movie fundamentally. I don't care if it's "conventional" or whatever, it's just not a good movie AT all.
I rewatched the whole TV series, old movies, and 1.0-3.0(should have read the manga too but I am working on that) before I come into this and I feel like having all the backstory(mostly) fresh actually made me like the movie more. Also actually enjoy the old material better too.
Thank you for the great video and speaking truth
I will start with the fact that I never liked the rebuilds. They retcon all interesting, nuanced parts of the original and dumb it down for action. Now, continuing on,
For 3.0+1.0 my main issues is the fights as a whole, and Shinji’s magical inspiration and reconciliation with everyone.
The CGI used in all common fights feel like the Eva’s just float, and the fights are cluttered. There is massive amounts of CGI on screen at a time, and these massive fights are just cluttered hoards. Older fights from the TV series, EoE, and the rebuilds themselves have had more interesting, memorable fights with less mob enemies to mow down. The mass production units from EoE don’t even fight and their fight is more memorable. The fight in which Shinji and Asuka have to sinc their movements, I can’t remember the angels designation or name, is unique enough to remember. You have mind break angel, Auriel, I believe his name is, who mind-breaks Asuka. My point being, to make a memorable fight you don’t need more clutter. What you need is a unique idea, which the CGI Shinji vs. Gendo fight does have. I still dislike it over the out of place effects, and yes I know it was probably intended as stated by others, my issue is I still don’t like it. I can understand an artist’s purpose for painting a way, but I can still think its garbage.
Now the main issue, Shinji’s development. Shinji makes no growth through the village arc, except after Rei-Q dies and he magically decides to get up and fix what he has caused, a sentiment that seems, as you put it, unrealistic.
The village portion connects us to the world, but not Shinji, the character who can learn the most from all these experiences.
Shinji’s relationship with everyone else is also interesting, as a person who tried to destroy the world twice, he faces no repercussions for his second act. The first he is hated by all and fails to get Rei back, but the second there are no issues except for that one officer who’s name I can’t even remember. The same people who couldn’t explain what he had done in 3.0 while harboring intense hatred move on in this film. The ending also ends with Shinji never receiving any punishment from his acts. He gets a happy ending after all this when in EoE he actually has to live in the world he chose to create.
TLDR: All these previous issues can be boiled down to one thing, Mari, she must be burned. I can’t stand a second of her on screen.
I actually am pretty surprised at just how unmemorable this movie turned out for me. Even the stuff that it is generally praised for is just 'meh' at best for me.
While I generally agree about Mari, there was zero effort, care, or even interest put into her character development , I don't think it can all be dumped on her though.
The main thing that bothers me about the film I think is Shinji. It's like he is a supporting character in his own story, like he is a plot device there to justify or give insight into Gendo. I hate that.
@@manhornhead2659 While my Mari statement was a joke, I do still hate her. I believe she is the feeling I get from the films fit into a character. She has no development, interesting backstory, or purpose, other than to make going berserk, something that is almost exclusive to Shinji to certain unfortunate circumstances, a common thing. The issues do exists outside her pointless character.
I agree with the lack of focus on Shinji. In all other rebuilds his character was in focus. For 3.0+1.0 however, he, as you said, takes a backseat to other’s. Rei gets focus in the village, which as I said, could have been better used to teach Shinji. In the final fight between Gendo and Shinji he again loses out to his father in terms of development. Gendo had no other major development, or clues of such, in any other of the films. In the TV series I would say the closest jarring moment is the later episode with the history of Steele and NERV told through Fuyutsuki.
All the films opportunities for us to learn about Shinji or for him to grow are given to others. This makes this film, in my opinion, the worst of the rebuilds as Shinji’s character, no matter how terrible he is, is ultimately the reason I watch NGE.
Also “the curse of the Eva” from 3.0. come on Anno, could you really think of nothing else so instead you threw a vague term that is never explored or elaborated further. This kind of revelation is usually followed up on. You could’ve built an interesting conflict or build it into the plot.
@@can-chan6119 I know you were sort of joking about Mari. Her purpose in this seems to simply be something like 'I'm the new girl and I wind up with Shinji, bet you didn't see that coming?' kind of thing. Someone poorly conjured up so Shinji wouldn't wind up alone or get a tragic, sacrifice bittersweet end or something. Which would've fit better and been a lot more impactful then this kind of hollow happy ending in my opinion.
Shinji's role in this somehow seems even more thankless in this one and the rebuilds then in the originals to me. He is more commentary then character in Rebuild, which actually is something that can argued in the originals too. Shinji's purpose in this is some sort of cross between a plot device there to justify and give insight into Gendo's character and commentary on Eva otakus who chase Eva waifus down the rabbit hole for over a decade. I think Shinji's whole character, his actions, his relationships are mostly defined through those two mandates in rebuild. Probably why Shinji's whole arc feels so much like an hollow afterthought to me in this.
This Gendo centric ending is what Rebuild was building to and i'm positive this is what Anno was wanting. I mean one thing that stands out when I look at the originals again is just how pro-Gendo they are to me. So much so that I now veiw Gendo as the vessel for Anno, which is just so ironic in many ways to me and has me veiwing all of Anno's Evangelion in a more cynical way.
I was never really into the rebuilds, mostly watching them for the pictures and any new tidbit of lore I like that I can incorparate into my own head-canon. But I am surprised at just how little, if any, stuff there is in Rebuild that I even like enough for me to do that.
@@can-chan6119 I just don’t understand all the praise if you look at the film
objectively its a mess.
For my part, it did not seem out of place that Shinji instead of relapsing when Rei Q died decided to act
I myself at one point in my life suffered from severe depression, and it was not until the sudden death of my father that I managed to get out of it, since I realized that because I was so focused on myself I did not notice the pain of the others and the fact that life can end literally at any moment, that discovery at the time gave me the necessary impetus to not only move on but also to seek professional help
For me, the village sequence was partly about juxtaposing introverted, anti-social, depressed Shinji, who is still literally a child, against his former classmates who are now well-adjusted adults living mature family lives, and are getting on with life despite arguably having much more to be depressed about. I read this as a metaphor for the otaku audience who are still childlike in their Eva obsession from when they were kids, and all around them their old school mates are now adults. By the end of the film however, Shinji is an adult and has moved forward with his life, free of Eva. It's also a parallel for Anno himself, with Mari an insert for his wife who has brought him real happiness outside of his work.
Nice vid 👍, I really liked the shout-out to the Manga. I find it to be extremely underappreciated and not talked about enough for how good it is.
I was able to overlook the movies massive dissapointments because we finally got what we always wanted, a secure and confident Shinji and that fact we got to see him happy after so many years.
No. Sorry but the Shinji we got at the end is a psycho. He's not "secure and confident," he loses the ability to feel anymore, turns into a non-character Gary Stu who gives everyone therapy, before erasing their entire existence because he personally is pained by it, killing children who will never be born, erasing relationships and wiping the minds of his closest friends in the process. People using the "Shinji's happy now, that's all that matters" argument are not using their brains.
@@AllThingsCubey yeah, the shinji in this film does the exact thing that they pointed out as BAD to do in NGE. like imagine if NGE shinji ikari just decided "huh, this slice of life school show is pretty cool, i think im gonna stay here!" thats basically how 3.0 + 1.0's climax felt. For me personally it felt like a betrayal of the original show
@@freindmaker4473 Yep. I will stand by this, it is absolutely a betrayal. The people who are loving it either don't understand the originals after 25 years, or are just too high on what they think is a happy ending (it's not) to see sense.
@@AllThingsCubey I can see where you're coming from.
If you want a happy ending you can also read the manga, even tho it's not near as good as the anime
This is one of the best takes on the movie I’ve seen. Good job.
Almost everything that you said were the same thought I had while watching the movie. It sets up so much while delivering so little. Some brief points:
- Why fill so many scenes with overhauled lore babbling if you're not going to explain or at least give some clearer clues on how to understand the whole thing? If there's nothing to understand and only the character interactions matter, then don't put so many scenes with this nonsense and focus on more character development (which was shallow, despite the runtime of the film).
- They basically discarded the character of Asuka, and her presence in the Rebuild was mainly for fanservice or being badass for a few minutes and then getting wrecked right after, and this pattern repated about three or four times in the Rebuild films. Her backstory is explained and resolved in about ten minutes near the ending, and the whole importance that Asuka had in the original series is non-existent here. Which leads me to the next point:
- It seemed Asuka was sidelined so Mari could shine, right? Except she didn't. An extremely shallow character that received no development, her backstory is summed as "old friend of Gendo and Yui", and she acts more like a walking deus ex machina, than a character with real motivations.
- Loads of teasing about Rebuild being a kind of "sequel" to the original series, and then they backpedal and tell us nothing, no compromise on saying if it is a sequel or a completely separate universe. The feeling of closure would be extremely higher if they had made real connections to the original series, would be like coming full circle and then breaking free of it...but, they just threw a bunch of pseudomystical terms and words and called it a day.
In closing, while Anno went a very dark route with End of Evangelion, it actually seemed he was invested in it, in expressing something. In 3.0+1.0, he seemed bored and his message was basically "I don't care anymore for any of this shit and you shouldn't too. Go live your life!", which is actually a valid message, but could be delivered with so much more care.
SPOILERS EVERYONE! Interesting, I thought the village sequence was the best and most interesting part of the film and for me some of the most emotional as well for what it was, perhaps not in the context of the ending. It moved me to tears to see for the first time, I believe in the entire Eva Universe, a realistic sense of new life and new hope in humans and animals. Also, the contrast between Shinji as an eternal 14 year old and his now grown up schoolmates was so memorable to me. Another important thing from that portion of the film was Misato and Kaji's son, echoing one of the main themes of this show, yet another child abandoned by its parent though I think they could have done more with this premise. Anyway, yeah, this move was truly an experience for me and I'm glad it's out there with its highs and lows.
Yeah i really liked the village. It was a nice thing to see the aftermath and the resilience of humanity. Plus you can see Shinji slowly change as he's being supported by his friends
I was tearing up at the end of the film, not because i was moved but because the whole point of the story is to live with the consequences of your actions and move forward.
But this film rewards shinji after 40 minutes of being a waste of oxygen and space with a reset button.
At the end he kept being the same spineless coward, running away from everything that causes him pain, only this time he chose to create a world without the things he hates and without the repercussions of his actions instead of owning up to the consequences of his decisions and therefore ACTUALLY growing up and maturing salvaging the world Misato and Asuka fought to protect.
Now in 20 years we will get the rebuild of the rebuild. This time without the constraint of having to create an unnecessary moe character to appeal to the average anime watcher and a Shinji that actually grows with each mistake.
Neon Genesis Evangelion 5.0 You Can (Not) improve.
Shinji is kind of destined to suck or be held back in Anno's Evangelion. I think the only Evangelion Shinji won't be doomed to those things will be the Evangelion that Anno isn't involved with. Unfortunately I don't think this ending has the impact or staying power to generate hype for another Evangelion. Even if they did a new Eva with Shinji doing all that it would probably seem as hollow as Shinji's 'happy end' in this film
A cynical part of me thinks Anno's purpose for Rebuild was just to get a few more rips on Shinji/otaku's, kill a few more ships and finally give Gendo his happy end.
Just watched the movie, I agree with you. Base of the story was good, but the execution was sloppy. Castlevania did the father/son problem much better in season 2 between Dracula and alecaerd.
Was not expecting Castlevania comparisons, but I am 100% with you there.
I honestly feel like 3.0+1.01 is the best possible ending for the Rebuilds, which on the whole were disappointing. It’s definitely Anno swinging for the fences, and the ambition is admirable, but it’s off in a lot of ways.
My initial thoughts after the first watch are that the story is... Ok, the final message is kinda on point and neat if you consider Eva as a whole, but the movie is just not good. At one point there's fast scenes where it's just word barf with no meaning. What I get most from it, is how anno is done with it that he had to literally make a scene where every Evangelion is murdered.
I think that i liked this movie after watching it, but thinking about it critically, it wasnt a masterpiece of something close to that, it was more like a comformist movie trying to appeal everyone.
I think many people, like me, like it because it impacted them on an emotional level. The goodbye of Anno in the franchise, and all the callbacks to EoE, the stakes raised from the previous film and the 9 years in between, Shinji saying goodbye to each character and growing up, the ending song, the meeting with Misato, etc. raises a lot of positive emotions in people, and those emotions mixed with ideas like moving on or going back to the real world or trying to connect with other people, etc. makes people feel motivated and thats why all the hype. Its up to us to use that motivation to something positive or just throw it away.
But yeah, the film is very shonen cliche. Shinji's recovering from his PSTD was fine and well done for me, but then this idea that he grew up and he is not going to cry or feel sad anymore is very unrealistic. Its ok to feel sad sometimes, its part of life, but he was like "oh, Misato died, too bad, well, time to continue, thx for the spear btw".
With the whole Rei Q part i have mixed feelings, her character was basically completed, minimalistically, when she decided to act for herself once instead of following orders. But i undestand that Anno, and everyone, wanted a more satysfying conclusion with Rei growing up and understanding the world (again), and confessing her love to Shinji (or almost), before dying. The farm part was cute and all, but it was a bit repetitive and also kinda unrealistic with all those forced interactions. I would have prefered to have her stay with Hikari and interact with her and her daughter a few times, to make her think a bit and realize what she likes and what she wants to do.
The fight scenes didnt convince me at all. It was just Mari and Asuka dealing with a swarm of Mpes like if they were flies and then mark 13 being op until the verbal confrontation between Shinji and Gendo. Personally, 2.0 was the only rebuild film i think did the fights correctly, not great but decently. 1.0 was kinda slow and they removed Sachiel time skip for no reason other than we alredy knew what was going to happen, and 3.0 was a bit over the place, but at least the automated evas were much more of a threat (Asuka literally would have lost to just 2 of them if not were for the fire coverage of Mary an Shinji's intervention), than the swarm of mpes. And of course, the swarm of mpes doesnt hold a candle to the 9 mpes from EoE.
I liked the confrontation between Shinji and Gendo. Maybe this is what makes me appreciate the film. But yeah, you need to not take literal that Gendo destroyed the world to like the scene. The same applies to Kensuke's line to Shinji about that he has to try to talk with his father. I was with Asuka there, like... Its moterfucking Gendo Ikari. But i take that scene for what it tries to communicate. Essentially, try to connect with your loved ones a bit more even if you think it is not wortg. Anyways, im with you that if your father is a redemless bastard like Gendo Ikari, sometimes it is better to stay away and try to not hold up a grudge.
The last moments with the characters are also purely nostalgic and emotional, but not really meaningfull. They just work to give a clousure to the series, and thats it. And i dont care for the huge CGI parts, i know the overused CGI was on purpose on the scenes it was used that way, but i dont think that reusing Giant Rei the way they did way make a big effect.
I think this movie could be compared with the very last episodes of Dragon Ball GT, a fanservice fill with Nostalgia and other emotions built along the way, which gave you the sensation of it being great, even though the quality of the product could be questionable. I will take this as an ending, mostly because it is a conclusion for the franchise and also because it doesnt make the fans thirsty for more eva, while also trying to give a positive message. I know however that Evangelion Super will come in the future though, but maybe not from Anno.
THE GOATS BACK
I’m gonna be honest: Ritsuko saying they are gonna have to improvise, and Maya responding that improvising is what they always do, felt like Anno & co. Saying “just make something up, I really don’t care and fans will settle with anything anyways”
I’m aware it doesn’t have to make 100% sense, but they didn’t have to resource to a Deus ex before (i.e. the Lance of Gaius)
Can we talk about the awful, awful trend of using bad CGI in these movies? They pull me right out every time. It sucks
The first half was the best part of the film, that leads to a disjointed narrative within the 2nd half of the film. It felt like the 2nd half was done by a different team to which Anno had to rush his thoughts about rebuild and cram it in the final 30 minutes of the movie. Horrible!
Ever since I finished it I was like I cannot wait till eva monkey makes a video
I appreciate your honesty and that your goal is to normally be positive. But yeah, I’m all the way over in th other camp. I love the length, love the structure, love basically everything and would enthusiastically make the case why and what’s “wrong” with your take. Especially about the purpose of Act 1.
@Eva Monkey I feel like I want to give you a big hug. I know you've been a big fan for a very long time and very active in the online fandom. We were all looking forward to this film so much. It had a huge amount of anticipation and it was never going to make everyone happy.
When I saw the movie on Saturday for the first (and so far only) time, when the end credits rolled I was very angry. I wanted to wish away the entire Rebuild series. I hated Shinji being paired with Mari. It made no sense - where was the foreshadowing, why not one of the characters from NGE who fans have been with for decades?
I realised pretty quickly however, that I was being immature and selfish. I was being like Asuka, calling Anno an "idiot" out loud when his name came up on the credits. I was very wrong. The ending is really the only bit which upset me, but I've realised that it's immature of me to prefer and ending like EoE to an actual happy ending where Shinji, not the audience or the shippers, gets to choose who his pairing is and find his real happiness outside of the world of Eva.
Hugs are good. Hugs are appreciated, even if they're virtual.
All the endings are top tier meta brainfuck quality, the manga ending was the least interesting imo, also i guess i took the new world to mean everyone that struggled at the village are reawakened into a much less insane world along with Shinji? Perhaps i wasnt waiting for Shinji to do anything at first?
Or bare with me now, the entire story was the depressing inner turmoil of Shinji. As in it was a representation of his depression and him finally over coming it, wakes to see the real world around him not this distorted nightmare one his depression is represented by. But also Shinji is actually anno and evangelion is actually his depression and his wife is Mary bringing him out of constant loops of despair (the three versions loop each other) that he keeps falling into. She is the biggest difference in the rebuilds and ultimately puts an end to the cycle of depression.
I feel like you’re criminally dismissing Gendo’s part of the story. He’s arguably the most infamous fathers in all of anime and the confrontation between him and Shinji which has been the first ever conflict in the entire series for 20+ years now, has never been explored whatsoever, and I’m supposed to believe that you “just don’t care.” It is recklessly irresponsible to dismiss this interaction which, I can not stress enough, has NEVER been explored. It’s insane to think how much of a screeching halt this series would’ve came to had at any point Shinji would just have had a talk to a Gendo that was willing to listen. Maybe Gendo would have had a far less of an impact on the lives of several of these children, had Shinji and Gendo just talked. It honestly didn’t feel like he was even a character before this movie, and that’s given his already established motivation of wanting to see Yui again. We essentially all assumed why he wanted that, but this film shows you precisely why in a way that’s never been done before. Just those two elements makes this film every bit of a worth the 2 and half hour watch.
LOL big surprise: his story is almost identical to shinji’s - amazing writing. So glad we watched these four films to find out the character who represented the negative outcome for shinji… was the negative outcome for shinji. Glad talking made him change his mind after trying (and succeeding) in murdering almost everyone. It’s just terribly written my dude. I agree, it could have been interesting but what we got imo was lazy, uninspired and ultimately boring. Pretty sure EoE covers the exact same ground with gendo in one tenth of the time.
im so fucking glad that this infamous father character whose biggest element is his emotional distance managed to completely break down after ONE conversation lmao, that was super cool and i liked it a lot wink wink
@@birdboy_official oh yeah because Gendo as a 14 year old was pressured by his father to pilot a giant deathmongering robot to save humanity by HIS father who was a maniacal heart broken scientist. Are you stupid? Shinji and Gendo might be the same in terms of their general detachment, but they grew up in completely different circumstances and made significantly unique choices in their lives that lead them to where they were. Maybe learn how to write before critiquing writing? Or just shut up and enjoy media if you lack critical thinking. Otherwise you just look foolish trying to talk about something you have no clue about.
@@freindmaker4473 none of these convos ever happen irl. You realize it took the world ending for a fourth time in order for these two have a face to face discussion. Circumstances played out differently twice before this movie and they never had this confrontation. Bruh I’m tired of braindead morons attempting to even fake a critical opinion on the internet for films they didn’t understand. Go watch it again.
@@EndorphinSauce i stg every time someone pulls out a valid gripe with something in this movie all you get is "YOU DIDNT GET IT, WATCH IT AGAIN DUMB DUMB". Please explain what is wrong with what i just said. Please explain why it makes sense that Shinji, a disturbed broken child, was able to change his fathers mind nearly immediately on the plan which he had spent over 20 fucking years in universe trying to enact!
we got what Anno warned us about, escapism.
The ending is Shinji avoiding his responsibilities by immersing himself in a fantasy world with Mari. Rather than face the real world where the village is still there, the world is ruined and we have what we have. All we can do is move forwards with what we have. Not Shinji though, the PTSD got to him and he’ll never face reality.
Honestly. That real world footage at the end of a WuFlu empty Japanese streets (probably when they filmed the drone footage) and the virus probably swayed the film’s ending in that direction. Anno probably wanted a happy ending to Metal Gear Solid 4: You (cannot) have a never ending story inception.
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Never explain your joke, even when you’re in trouble.
Rei learning to be herself and becoming human was really good imo
Shinji and Gendou's interaction was the best highlight to me in this entire film.Being a fan of the franchise since 96, I was happy to see them fully engage in a conversation since The End of Evangelion in 98. But to each their own I guess.
Don't worry I've oblivesy finished watching all the four rebuild films so I'm good
i can't believe it was worser than 3.0
Ultimately, I feel the complete experience was *_quite_* hackneyed. For something that took so long to make-- and from an aged-man with no children to consume his free time, no less-- you would have thought this series should have been a masterpiece... a perfect facsimile of his artistic vision. It is not. The CGI looked atrocious. Shinji's eyelashes are animated with more FPS than 90% of the film. What was the reasoning behind this? Further still, the original message of the T.V. series seems to have been completely discarded. Instead of learning to love yourself for who you are, now the goal is to love what other people want you to be, or else you are considered to be running away from reality. I find this to be highly, highly unfortunate. This message, told in such an advanced way, was what made EVA so remarkable for its time.
I also think that, while some individual quotes, or facets of the overall "message" can be considered "beautiful," this does not make the film itself beautiful, or even "good." There's a good quote from Hikari, for instance... "Right now, I'm as young as I'll ever be!" I really appreciated the sentiment of this quote, and I think it belongs in a movie with this kind of message. But again, this message should not be in an EVA movie.
I'm absolutely baffled that so many folks in the comments section (and others around the internet as well) are saying things like "The ending was happy and that was enough" or "It's the best possible ending to the rebuilds".
Really? You people thought this movie was the best it could be? A happy ending doesn't matter if that ending wan't earned.
Great video, Eva Monkey. Hopefully it'll get some people to rationally look at this film's flaws.