California’s Dam Removal Damages: Local Farmers Fear Liability for Massive Salmon Deaths
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- Опубліковано 2 кві 2024
- "It really has been the biggest dam removal experiment in modern history. People who were very much in favor of dam removal are now beside themselves because they had no idea this would be the outcome."
Siyamak sits down with Theodora Johnson, a sixth-generation rancher from Siskiyou County. The Klamath Dam removal project is the largest of its kind in the US. Ms. Johnson will discuss its impact on the community, environment, and wildlife in the area. Siskiyou County recently declared a state of emergency over this dam removal.
"What's happened with the suspended sediment in the water has brought the dissolved oxygen level down to zero twice since the dams were removed. Now, you see muck and mud, dead fish floating to the banks, crawdads, and we see animals trying to crawl out of the water to escape." - Ms. Johnson said.
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Wow, for real? He's clowns come after the rest of us yet they turn around and destroy the very thing they claim to protect.
Go look! You will see that she lied to you. The river is not destroyed.
@johnkilty5091 look where?
@@beaujo the klamath river
I'm a small farmer in southern Oregon, we have sheep and berries, primarily. It's so sad how little we care as a nation about producing food.
Dam removal is not as simple as letting the water go, if its not done correctly it is an ecological disaster.
Really? You don't say.... 🤔
The best way it to never build it in the first place
@choosewisely4722 - And as someone who is a fly fisherman in the area, my entire existence got wiped out by this. They used the "Elwha plan", but that was 1 dam. IT was not a series of 4 dams over a whole lotta range.
It was unguided. It was untested. And you're a disingenuous fool for saying otherwise.
Thank you Theodora for having the guts to come on this platform to help make people aware of this situation.
Theodora is leaving out big facts. Do your own research. She is looking for followers, not looking for facts.
For Heavens sake. Its going to a few years to balance out. Whats her option, let the dams fall apart uncontrolled and the same thing happens.
The last decade in California has been full of substituting what works for what sounds good.
Dear Lord what have we done
You voted in Newsom and the new world order. This is build back better in action.
Lone Ranger: “Tonto, I think we are surrounded.”
Tonto: “What do you mean, WE?”
We've made things....more progressive.
We removed the electricity-generating dams and, thanks to adaptation, the salmon can now walk upstream.
Adaptation is Progressive. 😎
We?
@@tallwalls76 i get it
Way to go Theo!! I am so happy that you addressed these things that nobody else is bringing forward.. You are absolutely right! And the fact that 80-90% of the local communities voted against the Dam Removal just proves altereir motives
The psychopathic Globalists' ulterior motive is to kill 6 Billion people, bc they believe the Earth can handle only 2 Billion.
80 to 90 percent of local communities voted it down? What community or communities would that be? The River runs through 3 counties in Oregon and five counties in California. Not to mention the Tribes. What vote are you talking about? What motives? People wanted to remove old dams from two sick and unhealthy lakes. The water has been turning foul every year for years. As soon as the hot weather sets in. The water turns lime green, fish die and it smells like a bag of hot frogs til the cool weather comes back. The dams were old and outdated and had needed to be retrofitted for several years. Pacific Corps decided the cost was not worth what the dams were generating. They were more than willing to to participate in the removal process. It has been a joint effort by multiple agencies. The people who are against the project are clearly in the minority.
Communities affected should organize in civic leagues to have signatures and mass appeals to local and state government.
We ALL need to share this!!!!!
The US Democrat party with the Environmentalists are going to shut down all farms, all ranches, all truckers, and all heavy equipment companies.
Cry me a river ,
That's full of mud.
The trail of tears for the new native Americans.
Have to start a class action lawsuit
You should! Good luck with that. Who would you sue?
Communities affected should organize in civic leagues to have signatures and mass appeals to local and state government.
This is not the "outcome"... this is the river having to deal with the damage which was caused by the dams and made so much worse over time. The river has been so polluted with heavy metals, etc. for years and the salmon have not been able to survive in it as a result. It became worse year after year. Had the dams been removed years ago, when first being discussed, there would now be much less sediment for the river to deal with and the river would already be flourishing. Anyone who understands this knew that what's happening now was going to happen, as the river needs to flush itself and that doesn't happen overnight when so much sediment has built up over 100 years of the dams holding it back. I've also not heard of anyone who was in favor of saving the Klamath from the death and pollution it was experiencing because of the dams, "changing their minds" now that the dams have been removed. She was only speaking on her own personal beliefs when saying that many have changed their minds as that's not factual. Yes, we all hate what has happened to the river but also many of us know that this was a necessary evil, and planned for and done at a time to best protect the few salmon that still exist in this river. It WILL recover and the salmon WILL return... and the wildlife with flourish along with the flora which many are working hard to help get a head start on by re-planting native plants to give the re-growth a head start. We ALL knew that this would not magically happen overnight. But it WILL happen, and the river will be sooooo much healthier when it does. I do believe! The alternative was it getting worse and more polluted every year.
Thank you Rhonda. Well put. I completely agree. To many commenters here, have done little to no reading. This has been in the planning for decades.
Not true! I have caught 7 salmon, in one day, on the Klamath.
Yeah, she’s a throw everything at the wall and see what sticks type. ‘No one knows how much sediment there is’, then says there were 15 or 20 m cubic yards. So they knew within level of needed accuracy how much there was. Chinook won’t go past the old Copco #1. This autumn we’ll find out, won’t we. We’ll find out soon if she know what she’s talking about. Other people are finding out calling a reservoir a lake doesn’t make it a lake. Some locals wanted the dams to stay. Were they willing to pay for the dam upgrades themselves, or did they want others to pay the billion dollars to keep them in waterfront? Newsflash. It’s capitalism. Corporations from far away make decisions that effect locals everyday. This week ask Red Lobster employees. It’s normal.
Problem,reaction,solution. The great reset is not so great!! OK UA-cam don't remove this post!
The King salmon fishery is almost gone on the Pacific Coast of California and the commercial fishing has been closed for 2024.
In the next 20 to 50 years the Klamath River will be famous again for Salmon and Steelhead. All this information is one-sided.
@WilliamKiene-yg7rq yet another dreamer, void of reality. If you want to save the fish, you need to start rallying against communist China not Americans
@@WilliamKiene-yg7rq I think this project is a great thing to see.
@@johnkilty5091 Yes, it is one of the best things to happen to salmon and steelhead in my lifetime in California.
I fly-fished the amazing Klamath River, starting in the 1960s, when it was still fantastic.
I watch it go down to almost nothing over these 50-plus years and dam removal is happening now, Worldwide.
In the last 100 years they dammed up 99% of all rivers in California and today they are finally starting to remove some of them.
Why are they doing this interview with a rancher instead of a scientist or an environmental engineer?
Keep electing these clowns. Things will get better.
Only slaves have 'leaders'
Has nothing to do with clowns. Common sense opened the dams. Take 10 minutes to read, why.
Rigged elections. How can you fix it?
Egotistical ecological douchebagery.
Thank you, Theodora, for the well articulated summary of the situation there. Hope that more people can see this and opens their eyes to what’s really going on.
the damn should never have gone up to begin with
If you opened your eyes you would quickly see that she is massively uniformed about this project.
its a life cycle, it will become a valley where you can build homes and roads.
I'm sure that was a large part of their long term plans. Water front properties sell at a premium. Very lucrative to open up acreage to such planning.
Tough situation. California is under poor management. We see it here in our area.
The world is under deadly management
Nice try! This project was put forth by multiple agencies. It has been going on for decades. Hundreds of studies and years of planning. With experts. Biologists, Hydrologists, Engineers, Lawyers, Tribal elders, Governors, Mayors, Citizens, ODF, Fish and wildlife. Yet here you are on you tube acting like to know what is up. You don't! Do some reading instead of blindly believing what this woman is spouting. Leaving out huge points is dishonest and misleading.
Communities affected should organize in civic leagues to have signatures and mass appeals to local and state government.
More Californian need to try to save our state, MCGA !
Vote Red this November.
@@ray6mer03 Why would I vote for a slave master? I will stay unassociated thanks
@@MATTINCALIslave master? You smokin some of the good stuff I see.
@@b69mach1 Yeah bud, 'your government' loves you
It's like someone's doing these crazy things on purpose to destroy the local farmers' lives.
You think?
You think taking down the damn was crazy or something else? For sure the damn should have never gone up in the first place.
@@MATTINCALI If only nobody ever built anything!
@@MATTINCALI The dam had actually improved the river below it AND it was providing clean, affordable power to the area.
Do some reading. That is not what is happening on the Klamath.
Reminds me of our Forests! Leave it to Government to mess things up!
Egotistical ecological douchebagery.
Siyamak, I cannot thank you enough for covering this story… I would say the environmentalists getting approval for this was executed well..
their execution of this has been the work of idiots blinded by unreal ideals..
it’s my back yard and it’s sad.. work of fools
The people you are making fun of, are acting in your best interest. You just haven't figured it out yet. Improvement is already happening. I have seen it with my own eyes.
Egotistical ecological douchebagery.
They're from the government, and they are here to help you. Unfortunately, everything is dead. Lesson learned, again.
Great job articulating the truth.
The negative affect is short term and the long term affect is a great improvement for the river biology, those 10% of the shinock breading in the rive will rive significantly after the dam remaval process.
Not surprising. That state also thinks dead wood building up on the forest floor doesn't add fuel to a fire. So this honestly didn't shock me. CA is becoming a place not even worth visiting.
Dumb comment! You do know that the forest is made of wood, right? Please do not come to California.
Believe it's known as "unintended consequences " .................
There are short-term adjustment issues, no doubt. However, an amazing recovery awaits.
Shut up troll!
Yes, I fished all these rivers from the 1960s on and spent my adult life in the fishing tackle business in Sacramento, so I know a lot about this.
In the future, this will be an amazing semi-wild river once again. They are removing dams now, Worldwide.
You write in perfect bureaucratese. “Short term?” How short is short term? Five years, ten years? And “adjustment issues?” How about just honestly saying “serious damage?”
@@doverbeachcomber What ever! How long? If you go look. Right now you will see the beginning of improvement. Now! Being that this is just starting you will have to look for it. The banks in Iron Gate are sprouting planted seedlings right now! They have been gathering native seeds for several years. They started seeding as soon as the water levels dropped. Most of the damage you are speaking of has already happened and most of the toxic oxygen problems have already passed. They predicted all of this. If you did not know that. You should read more before you post. I knew it was going to be an issue from reading available information. Why are you surprised? I wasn't, nor were the biologists and hydrologists.
What the heck? Why? In a state that has a feast or famine relationship with rain, why would anyone want to remove a dam/reservoir? The state of CA needs better water management not less water. I live in Oroville. I couldn't begin to imagine what would happen if this dam were removed
Thank you Theodora, you are so able to state the situations and consequences without blaming those responsible. I also hope, as you do, that the elected officials will use their power to reverse the disastrous policies before the damage is irreversible.
Drought is not new to our area. In the 1970s it lasted 7 years. Never was water taken away. In July 2021 water was released from Shasta Dam with levels extremely low for fish in the Delta. Does this make sense?
Everyone knew the dam held a massive amount of sediment / silt behind it. Every biologist knows that salmon need clean aka silt-free gravel to successfully spawn in. The pro-dam removal folks felt that the "new" banks could be replanted to create deep, cool pools and runs that would be beneficial to the salmon, steelhead, and coho.
This winter WILL be the ugliest for the fish and wildlife. I pray that the 2024-2025 rain season is at least normal.
By The Way... In the 50s, when these dam projects were completed, the state was in one of the largest building booms since the Gold Rush. The state has continued to allow more building and home projects that all require more and more water. The existing housing communities have roundly refused to accept using recycled water systems, even for irrigating their landscaping.
Governor Newsom has historically sided with water for Big Agriculture and development, but not wildlife.
Theodora Johnson, from the Scott Creek neighborhood is telling the story of "everyman" in modern California. Do more with less, then do without...then perhaps we'll give you some back again. You will not allowed to succeed on your own, the Government will take care of all of you, at the price of your ability to be self-sufficient.
Are you still wondering why there is a Second Amendment?
Let's be optimistic and hope that in time there will be a recovery.
Charna Gilmore and the beavers seem to help…but the over regulation of California makes it so difficult!!
I use to work for CCC is Northern California. We were going to drop logs in river for salmon but the same department stopped us for unknow reasons. That was 2016
Keep voting for Newsom and we will eat bugs🤣
The people voted against this and it was pushed through anyway.
She says it in the interview.
Fake ballots and tax payers should be able to vote if an emergency proclamation is needed.
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I have some fantastic cricket 🦗 recipes!!
Keep voting for politicians and you'll keep getting 💩. Yet all will continue the argument of "But then we'll be at the mercy of 'Robber Barons!'" Oh, but aren't we CURRENTLY at the mercy of "Robber Barons"? The difference in NOT supporting Government is that the "Robber Barrons" won't have the funding and might of a WHOLE nation at their beck and call. But people are to feckless and helpless to even CONSIDER taking the responsibility of their OWN safety and security into their own hands. Instead they'll happily subjugate themselves under tyrranical rule in order to be afforded the ILLUSION that the Government will give them these things. In reality, the only thing they WILL be given freely is the shackles that will bind them. Willful ignorance and cognitive dissonance are one hell of a cocktail.
No surprise that Cali did this and won’t be held accountable.
For what? Restoring a river?
Sad to hear how these people's lifes are being destroyed, by the very people they elected to serve them. All in the name of saving the "environment".
The sewage system in Oregon is a small half foot square limestone box not even a few feet down under the ground. They let campers live on land and dump their sewage into the drain outside my place. The smell is so overpowering inside venting off gases I have to keep all the house drains covered and spray down the sinks after use so the bacteria doesn’t come up. Till I did this my whole place smelled of sewage. They don’t pay taxes and park and live five years on my road. They have continuous fires and I’ve seen them pay rent to someone who I’m sure isn’t claiming it for taxes. The collector comes and deals drugs like he still lives there filling my street with fifty customers a day even. They’re so dumb and fearless they run the bass cars at all hours waking everyone up continually. People who don’t care for people sure don’t care about fish.
It was a billion dollar blast. No breached dam and dry lake bed no cash. Epic failure and the worst wildlife genocide in history. Let this be to poster child of NEVER AGAIN.
This sounded like a bad idea to begin with. Looks like the Dept of Fish & Wildlife royally screwed up and now they don’t want to take full responsibility.
Give it 5 years
Do more reading! You have be mislead by Theodora. She is counting on her followers that you are to lazy to read muc on your own.
It takes a while to heal a river. I live on the Klamath at the mouth and the river is amazing there.
@@johnkilty5091 read what? I’m interested how some people form their opinions. Seems 2 sides reinforce each other never mentioning facts.
@@user-cm7he2ep5x Try searching for various pieces on long-term effects of dam removal. This result is to be expected in the short-term.
"Do not my friends become addicted to water for it will take hold of you and you will resent it's absence ". IMMORTAL JOE.
It’ll clean up.
I can attest this as i have seen first hand pictures of massive fish and deer die off in (former) copco lake area
Wow. If she applied the same hand-wringing attitude that she has for river restoration towards her business… she wouldn’t put cows on her pasture, ‘because they might stomp on the grass’… she wouldn’t dehorn or castrate her calves because ‘it hurts them’…she wouldn’t allow her cattle to graze in riparian areas ‘because they might get stuck in the mud’ (that would be a good thing though)… she wouldn’t disk her alfalfa fields because ‘it might cut up worms’… she would give her land back to the Indians who lived there before her ancestors kicked them out… ‘to make the residents whole again’. She’s obviously smarter than that, but is projecting all the criticisms that she’s heard about her lifestyle upon her ‘enemy’- those damn enviro-mentalists.
You are batting for the wrong team!
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The state is getting crazy man.
Eat more crickets, right?
How. Much more damage wil be calculated do to climate confused people.
50 years ago my family took a vacation, pile the four kids 2 boxers in the station wagon ... trust me nobody wants to rent elegant accommodations to group like ours, the last family vacation before kids start going away to college ... interesting accommodations all the dining establishments had these bizarre huge pancake stackss with berries & fake whipping cream--the Klamath River was a wild beast, it moves very swiftly... it was absolutely awesome... amazing amount of piss poor devastation.. we also got to tour the Weyerhaeuser log Factory, &the Tillamook Cheese Factory which was just a tiny place... factory tours for cheap entertainment ... LAXVESPA-LOSANGELES
There needs to be a class action lawsuit filed and the state and Fish and Game need to be sued out of existence! We cannot just keep allowing these ignorant, incompetent losers to get away with this!
The next time you have a drought an there is no water for humanity take comfort the snail darter will have plenty
These lakes had zero storage for drinking or crop water. All Hydro. Nothing else.
Wow , how sad.
Don't be sad. This is a great project. Don't believe the youtube crowd who's favorite activity is to complain about anything good.
Could this really not be predicted at all? Im surprised by that
Who makes these horrible decisions? What chaos! California is an absolute mess.
If I, or you, or a corporation caused even 1/100 this level of wildlife death I, you or the corporation would be fined out the wazoo ... by the Department of Fish & Game. They, however, get egg on their face, and a pass. Oopsie.
Oh, I was totally against the dam removal.
I "used to" fish the Klamath River. It'll probably take a decade or more to even partially recover from this debacle. If ever.
Your wrong. The recovery has already started. The banks of iron gate are sprouting new seedlings of native plants. They planted millions of them as soon as the water levels dropped.
They will sin against all nature, the animals on the ground the birds and the fish. The water and the air. They are doing it.
This lady is sharp and knows her stuff. Well spoken. Great job on reporting on the downfall of west coast civilization.
In the 1940s, 50s and 60s, California dammed up 95% of all its rivers and destroyed the amazing salmon and steelhead fisheries in the entire state.
@WilliamKiene-yg7rq Looks like they finally got around to fixing that.
This is much better. 🤷♀️ 🤡
@@SamsungGalaxy-nm5qt damns are terrible, leave nature alone as much as possible/reasonable.
She left out all the big points. The lakes were sick and dying. The fish were dying in the lakes every summer. The lakes were green and smelled like a bag of hot frogs. When ever the weather got hot. The lady is misleading you.
lol she's talking out both sides!
this is not meant for anything good.
It's not Mother Nature
It's This Nature That Nature Our Nature
Damn!
Follow the money interest involved around the river and the dam removal and you will find the politicians behind it all...
Very difficult views
Have we run out of other people’s money yet?
Some people named bill are salivating
Now they have their sights on the Scotts Dam and Lake Pillsbury. I hope all the pro removal advocates watch this this..
They? News flash. If those dams come out. It will be a whole different they. The Klamath project people are going to be busy for the next ten years. Also. If those dams are next. Have they started the planning? This project took close to 20 years for any dam removal to start.
Were there NO experts who had experience and knew what was involved? Will there be consequences to the people involved?
Communities affected should organize in civic leagues to have signatures and mass appeals to local and state government.
Watch, one day the river will just dry up in a very hot summer, and then ppl would be outraged!
It will come back, but it will years of ups and downs
Well, it was not a natural river flow because of the dam...Florida have done something similar to a river that was altered that had an impact on the natural water flow...Maybe talk about why they decided to remove the dam to bring back the nature river flow. This will greatly benefit the natures water aquifer...Now what financial benefit did the lady or her family have that is being effected by bring the river back to its natural flow???? What the truth about this lady and her finically connection to the dam/river....
The natural flow of the river is to dry up in hot summers, and come back, the damns are great,
Newsom wants us to go hungry for good.
When was the last time you saw a hungry person? Most people I know have never skipped a meal.
Gavin Newsom injured his vocal cords kneeling before his savior, Jerry Brown, Jr. after decades of 'service' unto him.........
I believe his savior is Klaus Schwab
There is no info on how much of the eiver has silt in it
This IS the point. SUCCESS! Got it?
And they are going to do it throught the country. Noone has egg on their face. They pat each other on the back sip champagne and eat a baby!
They won’t be happy until everyone is living in city shoebox apartments eating insects and food made in labs.
If given the information the people wouldnt have allowed it.This area is a vacation get away,It was a different world close by.Forest,hill trails non city get away.Residents kept it natural.People visit and respected this.This is truly heart breaking.Proggresives dont learn the end outcome,they say " we will deal with it as we come across it."
Every one had the same access to information. I have been reading about this project for several years. I can tell from your comment. You have done little work yourself to obtain information. You let others tell you what to think and repeat. Read more and post less. This has been in the Portland new off and on for a very long time. People were given plenty of information and most of them think the project is a good one.
What did they THINK was going to happen?
They thought this was going to happen. They let us all know that the oxygen was going to be an issue for a short time. They let us all know that the sediment would be bad initially. This was all expected. Why are you surprised? No one else is. The water is already improving.
I thought you were only posting on the California Insider Show channel and not the California Insider channel anymore.
We are posting on this channel (California Insider) going forward, not the show.
Who was it who said,”We from The Government and Here to Help!” God Help Us, What are World we are living in today!!
Thank you for speaking up!! We need this.
For what? Nothing is going to stop the project nor should it. This lady is very good at leaving out huge points. That is the same as lying to make your point.
the River should be in it's natural state, without any damns. Money is pretend, and not relevant. People can relocate infinitely easier than the river can be in a natural state, with a damn restricting it and it's wildlife.
The only concern should be taking it down in the best way, for the wildlife.
Humm... I think you're meaning to say "dam" rather than "damn". For these dams are a damnation upon all natural life in the wild. You are right about the need to remove them. But I'm sure recover is happening now.
There is an excellent audiobook here on UA-cam titled The Art of War. It is enlightening
If you vote blue stay in California, everyone else needs to get out as soon as possible. There will be a time when home prices start plummeting and you won't be able to sell your house because so many people are leaving.
The only responsible thing for governor gruesome to do at this time is to resign.
Lots of drug manufacturers g and marijuana farms there too run by cartel. What is depart of agriculture doing???
Stop being such a
Who made this decision
Thousands of people and years of planning.
They want you off the land.
This is all short term.
ALWAYS VOTE IN YOUR LOCAL ELECTIONS... ALWAYS VOTE FOR GOOD FREEDOM LOVING AMERICAN PATRIOTS.
You have to wait until the river recovers. It doesn't happen overnight. There's a lot of build up of silt and sand that should have been flowing downstream and to the ocean. If you are trying to say it was a mistake you are lying. You can help the sediment move downstream. Every river that has removed the Dams has been am amazing recovery. I live on the Klamath River and you are lying!
Rouge River dam removal has not had any positive effects. I don’t know if this was good or bad neither do you
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31:23 Why don't they just crossbreed some small portions of Chinook populations to other types fish that have a more adaptive spawning cycle. (While also being sure to keep pure Chinook populations)
Cause eventually there won't be pure breed fish, the modified fish will eventually mate with the natural pure fish
@zacknelson8918 You obviously didn't think through the concept. Only the pure lines would be released the years they can actually spawn. If the pure lines can't spawn certain years, then they aren't spawning.... They could even make a separate smaller hatchery at a different location for the mixed lines and employ more people.
@zacknelson8918 Also please note that the concept is only intended for entirely naturally bred fish. No GMO bs.
If you are against a fish hatchery releasing pure lines "because they aren't natural enough" than you should just be advocating for closure of the hatcheries entirely.
Don't fight what nature itself can do while maintaining that the hatchery should be kept if that is your circus you are advocating.
Cryin shame
how do you think the dinosaurs 🦕 where fossilized? by tons of sediment.
Sediment from the asteroid that hit the Yucatan. The dust killed the dinos and the dust buried them.
Sorry, She is so, so wrong. The Klamath River will be amazing again after a few big wet winters.
There are people who have an 'axe to grind' because they are land owners.
Thank you Theodora Johnson.. this was so poorly executed
Yeah? Tell us how you would have done it? Everything I have read says this is what was expected and is temporary. The expected the oxygen level to be affected for certain periods. It has already nearly returned to normal levels. This takes time. Everyone knew it would. You guys complaining need to ream more and post less. This is a good thing.
What a great articulate propagandist. Dam removal and managing water allocation and minimum flows in the Shasta and Scott watersheds are two completely different issues, but like a straw man argument, she ties the two issues together. They have been ignoring voluntary requests to reduce water use and now the water board has stepped in to make it mandatory and set minimum flows to protect salmon. She says turbidity is spiking to a couple thousand NTUs. That's another lie. The maximum was 1340 and that was just one day. They say their water. Sorry not your water unless you have senior water rights. You are only entitled to excess water. They have been dewatering and mismanaging the Scott and Shasta for years. California Insider should provide an opposing view to be fair.
Propaganda
This video is complete crap. Removal is going better than expected, not worse.
get over it, give the river the chance to heal
She is lying.