What all of you armchair MMA fighters don't seem to get from these demonstrations is the technical practice is performed this way as a construct to get to an end. It's also a matter of safety, whereas locking a joint repeatedly and immobilizing the spine can cause significant damage to the Uke if not practiced in a manner that is both agreed upon. Aikido practice allows the practitioner a frame of mind that is relaxed and focused, and, when practiced enough teaches a timing that will allow the Nage to offset the balance of the attacker enough to enact a solid technique. Aikido is practical but one must never forget that Atemi (percussion/striking) must be a part of the technique as well whenever possible. The attack of grabbing the wrist is the construct, the movement the circle, and the technique the square.
This Aikïdo is showed in a different way and is more direct ! Indeed, the form is different from nowadays ! But Aikïdo is what I call evolution. I’m open to all different forms of attack, grappling, falls, etc.
As one who trains a more practical Aikido I will say this isn't very different from recent Aikido, it just happens to be done with more realistic intent. The "fluffy bunny" Aikido you normally see could be just like this with slight modification to both intent and application.
These are just advanced techniques reserved for yudansha once you have good enough ukemi. I was doing this as a white belt tho so we went slow but this is slow
@@josephmalone253Actually, this is a rip from the copyrighted "5th - 1st Kyu Testing Requirements" DVD, published by Birankai North America, Chiba sensei's organization. It was filmed at the San Diego Aikikai (Fairmount Avenue) dojo. The techniques are, obviously, not reserved for yudansha, since they are all in the white belt curriculum. They are shown slowly as this is a teaching aid. I am one of the uke in this clip, along with my fellow kenshusei.
I had the opportunity to train with him once, I feel like these guys from the internet could have taken their best shot at him and he would just laugh at them when it bounced off. It would be like punching an oak tree. That’s my memory of the seminar.
I too met him once and discussed the art and I was taught greatly by him at a seminar. The best teacher with an almost unlimited amount of patience and an unlimited understanding of the art. I am honoured to call him a Sensei, however brief. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 OSS 🫵🙏🫲🏼🖐🏼👆🏼👇🏼🤙🏼 Rest In Peace S.G.M Shihan Chiba Tsutsutaka Thank you for all you done for me 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 Oss 🙏🖐🏼👌✌️🤞🏼
In the daito ryu system, the hands are not presented to be grabbed but rather placed by the hips mimicking hand placement before either of the daisho pairing are gripped for use. It would be the same for a firearm. A officer must reach for the gun on his hip. Uke grabbing the wrists is to prevent weapon system access.
Not just to prevent access. I was taught that the roots of uke's presentation of hand for grabbing is based on that hand holding a knife (not at the hips but out in front).
anyone mocking Chiba sensei really is an idiot and knows nothing of martial arts. he was phenomenally skilled and unbelievably powerful. this is kata - a demonstration of form. The recipient is developing his/her body by receiving and surviving the technique. Go try it. You cannot understand it otherwise. It has to be felt.
People generally don't get one thing about Aikido: that Aikido BEGS for uncooperating opponent, who will damage himself as a result. Cooperation of uke is NOT as much for technique to work, but to NOT to get hurt.
@@piotrd.4850 indeed and that is the second side of the art - ukemi, the art of recovery. there's a good article out there by Chiba shihan years back on that topic. Ukemi, done in a particular way, is also a means to develop my own body: muscle, bone, fascia, ligament, tendon strength. And then there's what it does for my mind and spirit (as in a strong one) as well. Deep art. Never gets dull.
The Japanese concept of *tanren* (鍛錬) traditionally refers to a form of disciplined, repetitive training aimed at strengthening both the body and spirit. It originally comes from the realm of Japanese martial arts and crafts, especially in the practice of swordsmithing and swordsmanship. In *tanren*, practitioners engage in rigorous, repetitive exercises designed not just for skill improvement but also for the forging of mental resilience, self-discipline, and focus. In swordsmithing, *tanren* involves heating and folding metal repeatedly to remove impurities and enhance the strength of the blade. This process exemplifies *tanren*’s symbolic aspect, where the hammering and tempering of steel mirror the development of personal resilience. Similarly, in martial arts, *tanren* includes exercises like repeated striking, stance holding, or breathing drills that develop physical endurance, accuracy, and mental discipline. While its applications vary, *tanren* remains a form of transformative conditioning, requiring patience and commitment, with a strong emphasis on perseverance as an integral part of mastery.
You can order it from Birankai North America, Chiba sensei's organization. It's the "5th - 1st Kyu Test Requirements" DVD. It shows all the white belt techniques that are required at the time of filming.
Done it. It doesnt look the same in real life as he didnt know how to fall the way these do. Just fell on his ass and put him in choke. Some are more practical than others
I have done a lot of "real life" Aikido, and I have always been impressed by how much easier it is in real life than in the dojo against trained Aikidoka who knew exactly what I was doing, had strong centers, and bodies conditioned against the techniques in question. Just because you don't understand how a thing can work, doesn't mean it doesn't.
@@blainetrahan8883 crikey, a mature and reasonable response in the comments section of a UA-cam video?? Good on you, sir - I'm grateful that there are people like you on here. I hope you get the chance to practice Aikido with a good teacher - I've been training for quite a while and believe you me, there really are some shit teachers out there who give Aikido a bad name
Are there any teachers left anything like Chiba Sensei? I know from experience as Uke (1980's) that people who have not been on the receiving end of this kind of power, you really have no idea. That said, I'm not impressed by modern Aikido schools. Even Hombu Dojo seems to have gotten schooled by Ray Kroc.
Bit ridiculous no self defence system can compete with a gun. You put Anderdon Silva in a cage with 60 year old grandmother with a shotgun, her odds of victory will increase dramatically. I dont care what martial art I study, if someone pulls a gun on me I cooperate and hope they dont shoot me
1) Aikido can protect you, as it has for me countless times, in countless sorts of situations. 2) All sorts of things happen, sometimes grabs come up. Just because they are practiced doesn't mean that's the end all be all of training. Just like when you study english, and you learn poetry, doesn't mean that's the end all be all of english, or that you use it in EVERY situation. But it does improve your understanding of english, and in makes you more competent overall, even though it's not directly applicable 99% of the time. 3) So what if they do have a gun? Either you have a fighting chance or you don't. If the first time you know about the gun is them shooting you in the back of the head, then it won't matter what you know ("knew"). Otherwise, it's most optimal to engage the attacker before the gun is pulled, and thus stop the gun from coming into play, a principle taught and trained in Aikido (taking the initiative, controlling the initiative). If you have allowed the gun to get into play, Aikido teaches you to be off the line of attack, and to control the other party's center, both very valuable when dealing with such a situation. But here's the real facts, not every encounter is a gun fight, there is a HUGE range of different levels of violence one might encounter, it's nice to have more options than just the very extreme, and saying something doesn't work because it doesn't hold up to a contrived extreme is BS. No martial art will protect you from a drone strike or some other imaginary worse case scenario. There is ALWAYS some level of violence you cannot be prepared for. That doesn't mean the training is useless, as in, "without use". It means there are limits to what you can effectively prepare for, and often times those limits are more defined by "how" you train than they are by "what" you train. Also, there are more things to studying Aikido than just how you might fare in a fight. Aikido also teaches you how to fall safely, which has served me very well over the years, and saved my life on at least one occasion. It teaches you proper body coordination, which is useful with just about everything you physically have to do. It promotes good physical, mental, and spiritual health, which are of continuous benefit every minute of every day. When you are going to spend a huge amount of time studying something, you have to ask, "what are you getting out of it for the time invested?" If it's just so you can fight, you're spending a lot of time and getting very little in return. Three large dogs and gun would be a far better return on effort. I want to see anyone deal with that. Of course, I can always add three dogs and a gun to my Aikido, and then it won't matter what you think of my ability to deal with a grab.
If they have gun or a knife you are screwed regardless of martial arts you train. Purpose of aikido is if you have gun holstered and somebody grabs it, you can deal with him and deploy the gun as it was meant to be.
@@piotrd.4850 I agree with your second sentence. The first, not so much. Firearms and blades obviously raise the stakes but training correctly in a system which specializes in weapons (Kali, for instance) is immensely more valuable than training in a system whose weapons training is either limited or nonexistent. Also, situation-dependent, sometimes the correct answer is to comply or run away.
Can’t they use a example just a little more realistic to what would happen on the street so people would stop mocking this ? I mean the same old here is my hand now do what you want with it . Come on it’s still mostly shown that way today
That's not the point of the demonstration. This is a kata, a choreographed sequence of movements, not a combat simulation or sparring. Kata are common to many Japanese martial arts, irrespective of whether the MMA bubble enjoys them or not.
People do ridiculous things in the street. They overcommit. They posture and puff themselves up (most violence is a social dominance game). They don't have good technique. At best they ape good technique. People make a lot of presumptions about how people act in "street fights". Everyone is different. I've seen people throw punches so hard, that when they missed they threw themselves off balance. They aikido'd themselves. And also, this is a demo... The ideal expression of each technique. Everything tends to look sloppier in a real fight. But you practice perfect.
What all of you armchair MMA fighters don't seem to get from these demonstrations is the technical practice is performed this way as a construct to get to an end. It's also a matter of safety, whereas locking a joint repeatedly and immobilizing the spine can cause significant damage to the Uke if not practiced in a manner that is both agreed upon. Aikido practice allows the practitioner a frame of mind that is relaxed and focused, and, when practiced enough teaches a timing that will allow the Nage to offset the balance of the attacker enough to enact a solid technique. Aikido is practical but one must never forget that Atemi (percussion/striking) must be a part of the technique as well whenever possible. The attack of grabbing the wrist is the construct, the movement the circle, and the technique the square.
It's great to have these old videos saved for future generations.
This looks very different from a lot of more recent Aikido
Fully agree with you.
This Aikïdo is showed in a different way and is more direct !
Indeed, the form is different from nowadays !
But Aikïdo is what I call evolution.
I’m open to all different forms of attack, grappling, falls, etc.
As one who trains a more practical Aikido I will say this isn't very different from recent Aikido, it just happens to be done with more realistic intent. The "fluffy bunny" Aikido you normally see could be just like this with slight modification to both intent and application.
These are just advanced techniques reserved for yudansha once you have good enough ukemi. I was doing this as a white belt tho so we went slow but this is slow
@@josephmalone253Actually, this is a rip from the copyrighted "5th - 1st Kyu Testing Requirements" DVD, published by Birankai North America, Chiba sensei's organization. It was filmed at the San Diego Aikikai (Fairmount Avenue) dojo. The techniques are, obviously, not reserved for yudansha, since they are all in the white belt curriculum. They are shown slowly as this is a teaching aid. I am one of the uke in this clip, along with my fellow kenshusei.
I had the opportunity to train with him once, I feel like these guys from the internet could have taken their best shot at him and he would just laugh at them when it bounced off. It would be like punching an oak tree. That’s my memory of the seminar.
He is honoured you felt so highly of him.
Thank you 🫡🫡🫡
I too met him once and discussed the art and I was taught greatly by him at a seminar. The best teacher with an almost unlimited amount of patience and an unlimited understanding of the art. I am honoured to call him a Sensei, however brief.
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
OSS 🫵🙏🫲🏼🖐🏼👆🏼👇🏼🤙🏼
Rest In Peace S.G.M Shihan Chiba Tsutsutaka
Thank you for all you done for me 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Oss 🙏🖐🏼👌✌️🤞🏼
it WAS like running into an oak tree.
Chiba Sensei really does have very particular perspective on things! LOL. Love it!
In the daito ryu system, the hands are not presented to be grabbed but rather placed by the hips mimicking hand placement before either of the daisho pairing are gripped for use. It would be the same for a firearm. A officer must reach for the gun on his hip. Uke grabbing the wrists is to prevent weapon system access.
Not just to prevent access. I was taught that the roots of uke's presentation of hand for grabbing is based on that hand holding a knife (not at the hips but out in front).
anyone mocking Chiba sensei really is an idiot and knows nothing of martial arts. he was phenomenally skilled and unbelievably powerful. this is kata - a demonstration of form. The recipient is developing his/her body by receiving and surviving the technique. Go try it. You cannot understand it otherwise. It has to be felt.
People generally don't get one thing about Aikido: that Aikido BEGS for uncooperating opponent, who will damage himself as a result. Cooperation of uke is NOT as much for technique to work, but to NOT to get hurt.
@@piotrd.4850 indeed and that is the second side of the art - ukemi, the art of recovery. there's a good article out there by Chiba shihan years back on that topic. Ukemi, done in a particular way, is also a means to develop my own body: muscle, bone, fascia, ligament, tendon strength. And then there's what it does for my mind and spirit (as in a strong one) as well. Deep art. Never gets dull.
The Japanese concept of *tanren* (鍛錬) traditionally refers to a form of disciplined, repetitive training aimed at strengthening both the body and spirit. It originally comes from the realm of Japanese martial arts and crafts, especially in the practice of swordsmithing and swordsmanship. In *tanren*, practitioners engage in rigorous, repetitive exercises designed not just for skill improvement but also for the forging of mental resilience, self-discipline, and focus.
In swordsmithing, *tanren* involves heating and folding metal repeatedly to remove impurities and enhance the strength of the blade. This process exemplifies *tanren*’s symbolic aspect, where the hammering and tempering of steel mirror the development of personal resilience. Similarly, in martial arts, *tanren* includes exercises like repeated striking, stance holding, or breathing drills that develop physical endurance, accuracy, and mental discipline.
While its applications vary, *tanren* remains a form of transformative conditioning, requiring patience and commitment, with a strong emphasis on perseverance as an integral part of mastery.
@@mikeCavalle CORRECT! Select again!!!
MAN
this looks like martial arts. deadly
it seems so much stronger than practiced today.
S.G.M TK Chiba agrees
キレのある技
Изумительно
Do you have the entire video?
You can order it from Birankai North America, Chiba sensei's organization. It's the "5th - 1st Kyu Test Requirements" DVD. It shows all the white belt techniques that are required at the time of filming.
That looks really cool. Would love to have learned from that guy and felt the technique involved.
Is that Apodaca Sensei taking ukeme?
Does anyone know uke at 2.50?
Does anyone know about the story of Chiba Sensei touching hands with a Tai Chi master?
1:30
You think someone in real life would let you do those things to them. Man you better have a plan B.
Done it. It doesnt look the same in real life as he didnt know how to fall the way these do. Just fell on his ass and put him in choke. Some are more practical than others
I have done a lot of "real life" Aikido, and I have always been impressed by how much easier it is in real life than in the dojo against trained Aikidoka who knew exactly what I was doing, had strong centers, and bodies conditioned against the techniques in question. Just because you don't understand how a thing can work, doesn't mean it doesn't.
@@bujin5455 you are correct. I guess I need to dig into Aikido. Thank you for you response.
@@blainetrahan8883 crikey, a mature and reasonable response in the comments section of a UA-cam video??
Good on you, sir - I'm grateful that there are people like you on here.
I hope you get the chance to practice Aikido with a good teacher - I've been training for quite a while and believe you me, there really are some shit teachers out there who give Aikido a bad name
@@pgl79 you are correct, I need to find a good teach. Thanks for the response.
Are there any teachers left anything like Chiba Sensei?
I know from experience as Uke (1980's) that people who have not been on the receiving end of this kind of power, you really have no idea. That said, I'm not impressed by modern Aikido schools. Even Hombu Dojo seems to have gotten schooled by Ray Kroc.
Akido can not protect you and no one will garb your hand like that what if they have a gun
Bit ridiculous no self defence system can compete with a gun. You put Anderdon Silva in a cage with 60 year old grandmother with a shotgun, her odds of victory will increase dramatically. I dont care what martial art I study, if someone pulls a gun on me I cooperate and hope they dont shoot me
@@tomsheppard378 cool
1) Aikido can protect you, as it has for me countless times, in countless sorts of situations.
2) All sorts of things happen, sometimes grabs come up. Just because they are practiced doesn't mean that's the end all be all of training. Just like when you study english, and you learn poetry, doesn't mean that's the end all be all of english, or that you use it in EVERY situation. But it does improve your understanding of english, and in makes you more competent overall, even though it's not directly applicable 99% of the time.
3) So what if they do have a gun? Either you have a fighting chance or you don't. If the first time you know about the gun is them shooting you in the back of the head, then it won't matter what you know ("knew"). Otherwise, it's most optimal to engage the attacker before the gun is pulled, and thus stop the gun from coming into play, a principle taught and trained in Aikido (taking the initiative, controlling the initiative). If you have allowed the gun to get into play, Aikido teaches you to be off the line of attack, and to control the other party's center, both very valuable when dealing with such a situation.
But here's the real facts, not every encounter is a gun fight, there is a HUGE range of different levels of violence one might encounter, it's nice to have more options than just the very extreme, and saying something doesn't work because it doesn't hold up to a contrived extreme is BS. No martial art will protect you from a drone strike or some other imaginary worse case scenario. There is ALWAYS some level of violence you cannot be prepared for. That doesn't mean the training is useless, as in, "without use". It means there are limits to what you can effectively prepare for, and often times those limits are more defined by "how" you train than they are by "what" you train.
Also, there are more things to studying Aikido than just how you might fare in a fight. Aikido also teaches you how to fall safely, which has served me very well over the years, and saved my life on at least one occasion. It teaches you proper body coordination, which is useful with just about everything you physically have to do. It promotes good physical, mental, and spiritual health, which are of continuous benefit every minute of every day. When you are going to spend a huge amount of time studying something, you have to ask, "what are you getting out of it for the time invested?" If it's just so you can fight, you're spending a lot of time and getting very little in return. Three large dogs and gun would be a far better return on effort. I want to see anyone deal with that. Of course, I can always add three dogs and a gun to my Aikido, and then it won't matter what you think of my ability to deal with a grab.
If they have gun or a knife you are screwed regardless of martial arts you train. Purpose of aikido is if you have gun holstered and somebody grabs it, you can deal with him and deploy the gun as it was meant to be.
@@piotrd.4850 I agree with your second sentence. The first, not so much. Firearms and blades obviously raise the stakes but training correctly in a system which specializes in weapons (Kali, for instance) is immensely more valuable than training in a system whose weapons training is either limited or nonexistent. Also, situation-dependent, sometimes the correct answer is to comply or run away.
Can’t they use a example just a little more realistic to what would happen on the street so people would stop mocking this ? I mean the same old here is my hand now do what you want with it . Come on it’s still mostly shown that way today
That's not the point of the demonstration. This is a kata, a choreographed sequence of movements, not a combat simulation or sparring. Kata are common to many Japanese martial arts, irrespective of whether the MMA bubble enjoys them or not.
No. Its not for street fighting.
It s to practice peace.
People do ridiculous things in the street. They overcommit. They posture and puff themselves up (most violence is a social dominance game). They don't have good technique. At best they ape good technique. People make a lot of presumptions about how people act in "street fights". Everyone is different. I've seen people throw punches so hard, that when they missed they threw themselves off balance. They aikido'd themselves. And also, this is a demo... The ideal expression of each technique. Everything tends to look sloppier in a real fight. But you practice perfect.