just had yesterday a little discussion with 15 year old kids on the streetcourt about this topic. the same situation happened two times by two different people in seperate games. so in a 3v3 the ballhander dribbled the ball unintentionally on his foot. the kids said its kickball so I gave the the ball but not without insisting tht they are actually wrong. or am I wrong because it is an active move by the ballhander himself?
Ok so i have i guy on 3on3 who routinely kicks the ball, purposely , when i pass low passes (cause he cant bend) and claims “yes it is a violation , so have the ball” .this means that i lost a potential point and he gets no penalty...can you please give advice on this. Is it legal or illegal. Legal means he is penalized, illegal means he is thrown out of the game, Or on 3on3 terms, i get the point. Looking forward to your reply.
If an offensive player is dribbling pass a defender and the defender's foot makes contact with the ball forcing it in the opposite direction the dribbler, is it a steal or kickball?
When a defender spreads their feet while jumping in attempting to block an inbound pass and the ball contacts the defender’s foot is this considered intentional? I would think it is but I often see no kick call made.
I have a player that dribbles the ball with his knees. Wondering if this is really a kick ball violation as it is intentional AND he strikes the ball with his knees / shins which is part of the leg. Comments?
The shot clock in NFHS is brand new, and currently an optional rule per each state, so the rules regarding a reset has yet to be published, but soon I’m sure. Stay tuned.
Here's a scenario that just happened to me. Offensive player throws a pass Defensive player puts hand and foot up at same time ball hits defensive player's hand then deflects into his foot defensive player gets possession throws it up for a fast break layup no call To me he obviously put his foot up intentionally to stop the ball. The fact it hit his hand first before deflecting into his raised foot is irrelevant, but I can't find anything specific on that, though some of these examples seem to illustrate the same concept.
The official would have to make the judgement as to the reason the ball hit the foot. If it was intentionally kicked; violation. If it was a deflection off the hand and then unintentionally hits the foot; no violation. Not an easy play to rule.
@@OfficialsInstitute I agree in the moment very difficult to decide. I do kind of wish the ref would have whistled it based on the look though, but it was against my team so of course I'd feel that way. My opinion on it is that the defensive player raised their hand and foot at the same time and the ball deflected off their hand into their raised foot and the intent of the raised foot was to strike the ball to stop the pass and it's irrelevant if it hit anything else first including a legal part of that player's body. I couldn't find anything in the rule or handbooks that said a deflection made it okay, but of course the player wasn't trying to deflect the ball of their hand into their foot they were trying to deflect the pass period using any part of their body available including their leg. For instance let's say the pass hit another player first or off the backboard and then hit the outstretched leg it would be a kick ball without question. I think what tripped us up is that the pass was bad enough that it hit the defender's hand first and the defender's opinion is that if I got a hand on it it should be mine. I somewhat agree but at the same time the pass might have been recovered by the offense if the trajectory hadn't changed off his foot. Incidentally if the ball had hit the player's other leg which wasn't outstretched to try and kick the ball I'd think it would be legal but that was also the foot visible to the ref so the chance it would have gotten whistled would go up. 🤷♂ Thank you for taking the time to think about it and for this video. If you have an e-mail I can send you the play, I just can't give permission to post it because there's a lot of people in it that aren't me.
If the player that have the ball attempts to pass the ball between the defender's legs, and the defender closes his legs and stops the ball, is it kicked ball?
Exceptional videos and analysis. Loving this channel, a wealth of knowledge. Bravo! However, it's comical that the U-S remains the only country in the world NOT using FIBA rules. Time to join the modern world.
This is probably the biggest false call in pick-up basketball. I've always argued that a kickball has to be intensional. People look at you like you're crazy. 90% of the gym think you're wrong. And the whole from the knee down rule is bizarre. It's anywhere on the leg. Lets say I make a bad pass and it hits the back of the defenders foot while his back is torwards me. Is that a kick ball?
Probably not, as if the players back is to you, the probability of that player seeing and intentionally kicking it is very low. But ultimately comes down to the judgement of the officials.
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Great video! What if a defender constantly does the same as the guy from the first example? Is there a penalty for repeated use of the foot?
No. Even if this happens several times in a row, the penalty is always a simply kicking violation with the ball for a throw-in and the nearest spot.
@@OfficialsInstitute thank you!
Again just good facts.
Thanks.
just had yesterday a little discussion with 15 year old kids on the streetcourt about this topic.
the same situation happened two times by two different people in seperate games.
so in a 3v3 the ballhander dribbled the ball unintentionally on his foot. the kids said its kickball so I gave the the ball but not without insisting tht they are actually wrong. or am I wrong because it is an active move by the ballhander himself?
You are correct but it has nothing to do with the ball handler doing the act. A kick is only a violation when it is an intentional act.
Great video
Ty
it's like i am in 2016 again!
Thanks for watching
Ok so i have i guy on 3on3 who routinely kicks the ball, purposely , when i pass low passes (cause he cant bend) and claims “yes it is a violation , so have the ball” .this means that i lost a potential point and he gets no penalty...can you please give advice on this. Is it legal or illegal. Legal means he is penalized, illegal means he is thrown out of the game, Or on 3on3 terms, i get the point. Looking forward to your reply.
Kicking the ball intentionally is illegal.
@@OfficialsInstitute thank you for your response.
If an offensive player is dribbling pass a defender and the defender's foot makes contact with the ball forcing it in the opposite direction the dribbler, is it a steal or kickball?
It all depends on whether or not the defender intentionally kicks it or not.
When a defender spreads their feet while jumping in attempting to block an inbound pass and the ball contacts the defender’s foot is this considered intentional? I would think it is but I often see no kick call made.
The way you describe in this statement, the leg intentionally moves toward the ball in an attempt to hit it. This would be a kicking violation.
I have a player that dribbles the ball with his knees. Wondering if this is really a kick ball violation as it is intentional AND he strikes the ball with his knees / shins which is part of the leg.
Comments?
Sounds illegal to me.
@@OfficialsInstitute yeah, me too but he's never been called and has done it at high school and college level.
Will the shot clock reset to 14sec after a kickball violation? Or it will be a continuation?
The shot clock in NFHS is brand new, and currently an optional rule per each state, so the rules regarding a reset has yet to be published, but soon I’m sure. Stay tuned.
If the shot clock shows more than 14 then it will stay. If it shows less than 14 it will be reset to 14.
Here's a scenario that just happened to me.
Offensive player throws a pass
Defensive player puts hand and foot up at same time
ball hits defensive player's hand then deflects into his foot
defensive player gets possession throws it up for a fast break layup
no call
To me he obviously put his foot up intentionally to stop the ball. The fact it hit his hand first before deflecting into his raised foot is irrelevant, but I can't find anything specific on that, though some of these examples seem to illustrate the same concept.
The official would have to make the judgement as to the reason the ball hit the foot. If it was intentionally kicked; violation. If it was a deflection off the hand and then unintentionally hits the foot; no violation. Not an easy play to rule.
@@OfficialsInstitute I agree in the moment very difficult to decide. I do kind of wish the ref would have whistled it based on the look though, but it was against my team so of course I'd feel that way.
My opinion on it is that the defensive player raised their hand and foot at the same time and the ball deflected off their hand into their raised foot and the intent of the raised foot was to strike the ball to stop the pass and it's irrelevant if it hit anything else first including a legal part of that player's body. I couldn't find anything in the rule or handbooks that said a deflection made it okay, but of course the player wasn't trying to deflect the ball of their hand into their foot they were trying to deflect the pass period using any part of their body available including their leg.
For instance let's say the pass hit another player first or off the backboard and then hit the outstretched leg it would be a kick ball without question. I think what tripped us up is that the pass was bad enough that it hit the defender's hand first and the defender's opinion is that if I got a hand on it it should be mine. I somewhat agree but at the same time the pass might have been recovered by the offense if the trajectory hadn't changed off his foot.
Incidentally if the ball had hit the player's other leg which wasn't outstretched to try and kick the ball I'd think it would be legal but that was also the foot visible to the ref so the chance it would have gotten whistled would go up. 🤷♂
Thank you for taking the time to think about it and for this video. If you have an e-mail I can send you the play, I just can't give permission to post it because there's a lot of people in it that aren't me.
If the player that have the ball attempts to pass the ball between the defender's legs, and the defender closes his legs and stops the ball, is it kicked ball?
Did the defender intentionally strike the ball with his foot or leg?
Exceptional videos and analysis. Loving this channel, a wealth of knowledge. Bravo! However, it's comical that the U-S remains the only country in the world NOT using FIBA rules. Time to join the modern world.
You are correct. Just like the metric system. HA
The world should use US rules because it’s their sport. I say this is as an Englishman
The people who duplicated the sport have their own rules.
This is probably the biggest false call in pick-up basketball. I've always argued that a kickball has to be intensional. People look at you like you're crazy. 90% of the gym think you're wrong. And the whole from the knee down rule is bizarre. It's anywhere on the leg. Lets say I make a bad pass and it hits the back of the defenders foot while his back is torwards me. Is that a kick ball?
Probably not, as if the players back is to you, the probability of that player seeing and intentionally kicking it is very low. But ultimately comes down to the judgement of the officials.
Very relative content
Glad it was helpful.