Those are good explanations. The thing I don't like about this rule is technically, every normal 1-2 layup would be travel then because if you slow down someone doing a regular (ex. right-handed) layup, usually players pick up the ball with their left foot on the ground and their right foot bounding forward in the air, as they are about to step for a right-left foot layup. So, in that case, the left foot on the ground is going to be a pivot foot, causing the then right-left (1,2) step to be a travel.
Great Video. There are LOTS of officials who swallow the whistle when these situations present themselves in games. As a still newer official it had me questioning for a while if I understood things appropriately. Thanks for the clarification and video
Great video clips as usual!! If you watch clip #3, you will actually see he travels before the layup to the basket. #22 places his left foot on the ground just above the free-throw line and then gives a little "hop" toward the basket with his pivot foot!
Many officials tell me that "they know a travel when they see it" - if I went by that thought then I would not have called any of the first three a travel. By rule, I completely agree with you and this was a good video for me.
Very helpful thank you. I'm new to the sport and trying to learn moves which are legal. Having watched this twice over, the way I'm going to remember it is to think of my pivot foot spin as 'step 1', which means I HAVE to jump off my next step (step 2) on the other foot.
No, it doesn’t. It only “looks” legal to you because your generation has normalized taking steps. I’m Gen X. I learned these rules as a child in the eighties. It’s obviously a travel. Your point of reference is the normalization of traveling. Gen X point of reference is the actual rules. That’s why your perception is off. Gen Z thinks something is fine if everybody else is doing it. No…games have rules. Learn the rules and your perception will correct itself. It’s not complicated.
@@OfficialsInstitute No, they’re not. I’m gen x and we learned this stuff in elementary school. Easily. Gen Z doesn’t read and doesn’t learn rules. They mimick what they see, rather than learning principles. They default to visual vagueness rather than explicit knowledge. They don’t have the capacity to discern specific rules. They deal in vague impressions because the schools failed them. There wasn’t a single travel in this video that wasn’t obviously a travel…if you learned the rules in fifth grade. It’s absurd that teens and twenty somethings are having their minds blown by the idea that a rule is an exact, objective thing with zero ambiguity.
Coach we all know you can take as many steps ad you want as long as the dribble is live. Now, what about the one handed spin move, where the players spins on a pivot but keeps their hand over the ball without carrying, that isn't a travel right?
@@OfficialsInstitute here in bc there is a gather step. So if there isn’t a gather step then everything that you said is right. But do you know anything about teaching the gather step without travelling
I appreciate you showing a spin move where the pivot is not returned to make it legal. But what I have never seen demonstrated is the late pick up of the ball where both feet are on are floor when the dribble is ended. This shows where either foot could be the pivot and when the player completes the move, his front is now the pivot and the back foot can come back down. I have been other official sites and if they never seen what it looks like they, officials only believe that your legal clip is the only way it can be performed legally. I have done a demonstration video on my page actually confirmed it with local HS refs. Also, the clip where you discussed whether it is a step or a jump. Do you know the difference? Doe are rule book differentiate? Some say it doesn't but I does. A jump is not based on height but by both feet leaving the floor. That is a jump. At least one foot is always on the floor during a step. You can only "lift" your foot if the other is on the floor. The jump definition come into play when a player has stopped AND a pivot is established in the rule book. "If both feet leave the floor, neither can be returned".
Thank you for your comments. The NFHS rules book does not define a jump or a step that I have seen. If you have a reference I would love to review it. The biggest take away on traveling, of any form, if you aren't sure, don't call it. You MUST be able to identify the pivot foot at the point of holding/catching the ball and if the play happens too fast to be able to do that, no violation should be called. As far as step/jump and where the feet are, we must remember the intent and purpose of the rules and so we can intelligently apply them in each play situation. Thanks for watching and providing your feedback.
ART. 3 . . . After coming to a stop and establishing a pivot foot: a. The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the floor, before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal. b. If the player jumps, neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal. The difference between a lift and a jump. In a lift, one foot is still on the floor. A jump, is both feet odd the floor and that is why it says the neither can return. We already know by definition what a jump means. It has nothing to do with height. Both feet off the floor. There are many directions to jump. We know what a Step is. We don't need the rule book to give a definition. If your walking, you are stepping and one foot is always on the floor. The Euro "Step" has become a Euro "jump". They have allowed the athleticism to take over. I played in Europe and it had to be steps. You could not jump, both feet off the floor, with a Euro. Go find Mano Ginobli videos and watch his euro when he first came into the league. He steps, one foot always on the floor, around players...he doesn't use "jump" steps. But, the NFHS or NCAA doesn't count steps for moving players so it doesn't matter if they are stepping or jumping when moving. Only the pivot. I know it may seem splitting hairs but that is how the rules were enforced when I played and the interpretation has changed and not the rule.
@@OpaTheOpenminded I didn't forget. everything you mention doesn't apply here. the discussion is when the dribble ends and a pivot is established. jump vs a step can be distinguished and the rules say it but the evolution of athleticism in the game doesn't distinguish.
Well, its legal in NBA and FIBA rules. You can take two steps after ending the dribble ( while progressing )in order to shoot or pass. Like a regular layupp, bounce picupp one step, two step, shoot. Is college rules so different from the rest of the world?
NBA, FIBA, NCAA, and NFHS all have differences in certain areas within the game. Can make it difficult to understand sometimes when watching different levels play.
@@OfficialsInstitute According to NFHS rules 95 % of all layups is a travel violation. ART. 2 . . . A player who catches the ball while moving or dribbling may stop and establish a pivot foot as follows: b. If one foot is on the floor: It is the pivot when the other foot touches in a step.
Thanks for the vidoe. One question though - I thought the pivot foot is ONLY established if you catch the ball with both feet on the floor. The rule book doesn't care whether it's a spin move or a 0-1-2 layup. That's why most of the spin around pull ups that end up with the 'pivot' foot landing again are in fact 0-1-2 layups (basically catching the ball when they are progressing). Keen to know your thoughts on this.
RULE 4 - SECTION 33 PIVOT A pivot takes place when a player who is holding the ball steps once, or more than once, in any direction with the same foot while the other foot, called the pivot foot, is kept at its point of contact with the floor.
question, how about if you grab the ball AFTER the spin, not before the spin, so you complete the spin with the ball in one hand, then you when the non spin foot touches you grab the ball and take a 1-2 step to layup? would that be legal?
It all comes down to the pivot foot. When the player catches/holds the ball, the foot touching the floor is the pivot foot and cannot be lifted and returned. If the ball is caught/held with NO feet on the floor, the first foot to touch then becomes the pivot. Same rules apply, even though it may appear in that situation that the player gets a 1-2 step.
What is important to know is when the pivot foot is established. It's hard to answer this scenario without that information but if the left foot is on the floor when the player catches/holds the ball, even though he is in the midst of spin, it would still be the pivot. So two step after that would be a travel.
So the only time a pivot foot can be returned to the floor and it not be traveling is at the same time as the non pivot foot? As in completing a jump stop?
You forgot about one more instance: There is a legal spin move where you catch the ball with one foot touching the ground. You pivot off that foot and jump off that foot, continuing to spin in the air and then land on both feet at the same time.
On a shot or pass attempt, the NBA allows two steps after the dribble is ended (ball is gathered). Step 1 is defined as the first foot to fall to the floor AFTER the gather. If there is a foot on the floor at the time the ball is gathered, it doesn’t count toward the players 2 allowed steps. This is often called a gather or zero step. This differs from the more traditional NCAA and NFHS rules which consider the foot on the floor at the time the ball is gathered, as the pivot foot - or step 1.
I'm quite new to basketball rules cuz I only play street ball with a mix of old school basketball and want to know more,, I'm 21 and just started getting better than before. I'm weak at dribbling so I'm practicing dribble then passing later,, is it legal to do a spin move but not gathering the ball to pass a defender? It's common in streetball so I don't know if it's legal or not.
I've never seen any of these called travels in NBA, college, or street. The kicker is that you base everything around "when the ball is gathered" and you count the foot on the ground as pivot. However, these spins all occur in a fluid motion. When in motion the 1st real step is never counted until AFTER the last dribble. In all these clips your "so-called" pivot foot is ALREAY DOWN when the ball is last dribbled, then the gather occurs while that foot is still on the ground. If in motion and dribble occurred with that foot down, you OBVIOUSLY still have an actual STEP to take before it's your FIRST STEP after dribbling is suspended . So you cannot count that as the pivot when the player remains in fluid motion, only if he exhibited a full stop after the gather.
Wherever I play, and whatever I watch, whether it's NBA or FIBA, it's rare I see spin moves like these being called a travelling violation. I am so confused right now. 😅Even most of the referees didn't call travelling violation in these scenarios.
NBA and FIBA have different rule sets for traveling. And yes, many officials simply miss calling these violations, but that shouldn't normalize the move and just ignore the rule.
Bro talks like a friggin robot jokes aside this is really good advice, i've been called for travels while doing spin moves recently and was trying to find out why, this really helped and i'm looking forward to leaving defenders in the dust
I am confused. Examples 1 through 3 all look to me as though what you call establishment of the pivot foot is just the gather step allowed under the recently adjusted travel rule.
Off Of Any Dribble it Is Always 1..2...& Up....2 &1/2 Steps ...But The 1st Big Step MUST be Just Catching / Gathering The Ball Then 1 & 1/2 More ! Period Legal !
I’ve got a question. I’m scenario 3 the player with the ball was taking his two steps so why does the pivot foot matter until done those steps? No hate just asking
I have regarding the first example. I’m not sure I understand why #1 is a travel. The way I see it, his left foot is on the ground before the pick up. With that in mind, shouldn’t a player be able to utilize two steps after a pick-up. So for example in clip #1, left foot is on the ground at the pick-up and the right is not. Therefore, the right foot landing is step 1 and the left landing is step 2. Again, just asking for clarification. Im having trouble understanding clip #1.
One play I see as similar to this but is legal is a traditional layup. For example, if a player is going for a layup on the right hand side with the right foot, left foot, right knee up, the players left foot on the ground before the pick up would be considered the pivot foot. However, this is never called a travel at any level basketball. I would argue the left foot on the ground before the pick up isn’t viewed as a pivot foot because it was there before the pick-up happened. Making the right foot, left foot, right knee up a legal 1,2 step.
There is no mention in the rules book about allowing 2 steps. It all depends on when the ball is caught/held and what the pivot foot is at that moment.
Although it takes a slow motion replay to catch it, the player gathers with the left foot on the floor, right foot in the air… but then proceeds to right step and left step (therefore dropping his pivot back to the floor).
The NBA ( and FIBA) rules are explicitly different in establishing your pivot while in motion than NCAA and NFHS. These moves are all legal on those federations
@@OfficialsInstitute ahmm.. what about when you make a spin move, and gaining control of the ball (holding the ball with two hands) while simultaneously landing on both feet before jumping and shooting the ball, legal?
Can you comment on this spin move (first move "1. Spin back")? ua-cam.com/video/bzSJUZb-CAE/v-deo.htmlsi? At issue is where the player picks up the ball. It is difficult to see his (single) hand under the lower hemisphere of the basketball during the spin. Is the moment of "pick up" when he puts two hands on the ball or before? Appreciate the help. The second move ("2. Under scoop") the hand is clearly under the ball when the player is spinning on the right foot so that looks like a clear travel as soon as the right foot comes back to the ground before the shot. I believe the first move is probably the same,...the hand must be under the ball on the spin, I just can't see it. Thank you!
1st and 2nd video, both moves, in real time, are too difficult to determine when he catches/holds the ball, therefore I would allow this move. I'm relatively sure if I were to slow it down it would be a travel, as it is written, but we never want to rule a play to be illegal if we are not sure. Not sure if that is helpful or not, but again, when in doubt, don't blow your whistle.
I feel like a spin move and a step through are the most controversial moves. So many people don’t understand the concept of a pivot foot and what you can and cannot do with it.
Great Vid! I heard this before though and I have to disagree and argue this move is only a travel in slow motion or freeze frame. (Referencing #1) Because “establishing” a pivot foot is a discretion call. It’s been shown that players can take two slow steps without traveling as long as they don’t stop so what’s the difference? I think mere fact that the player spins makes it feel different but he never stops so that’s the equivalent of taking a slow controlled step in the opposite direction. Then he gathers (stops) and now establishes a pivot. We NEED to revisit this interpretation because it is inconsistent. THANKS!
The traveling rules are written pretty clearly but you are right about determining the pivot foot. It is getting more difficult every year as the players get better and faster with moves like this.
Not sure I completely understand the point you are trying to make, but contrary to public opinion, traveling isn’t about how many steps a player takes. If you read the rules, it says nothing about how many steps are allowed. It is solely dictated by the establishment of a pivot foot and what that foot is allowed or not allowed to do under the rules. Even on a basic two step layup, you have a pivot foot. Whether you are in continuous motion or not, the same principles apply. Just like in the spin move, it cannot be lifted and then returned to the floor prior to a pass or shot attempt. There’s nothing discretionary about it.
In video #2 why wouldn’t those steps be considered part if the steps you’re allowed to take? He clearly was moving with momentum as opposed to video #1
The rules clearly state what a moving player can do after catching the ball. This move is often allowed by officials since in real time it’s hard to determine what foot/feet is touching the court when the ball is caught, but slowing it down clearly shows a traveling violation.
The pivot foot was recognised incorrectly, they are not travelling spin moves. The first foot touch floor AFTER gather the ball should be pivot foot! Not the one already on the floor when catch the ball!!
The NFHS rules book states in 4.44.2b1 ART. 2 ... A player, who catches the ball while moving or dribbling, may stop, and establish a pivot foot as follows: b. If one foot is on the floor: 1. It is the pivot when the other foot touches in a step.
@@OfficialsInstitute That’s different to FIBA rule then. FIBA, meanwhile, has a so-called zero step. After catching the ball, the foot that first touches the ground becomes the pivot from which all other actions can proceed. The player can then start dribbling the ball or take a two-step to finish the shot, hence, creating a three-step move together with a zero step.
Why spin move NBA are not travelling? Would a travel be different from nba rules and official basketball rules? I think the rules that you are teaching will follow the rules but less entertaining.
On a shot or pass attempt, the NBA allows two steps after the dribble is ended (ball is gathered). Step 1 is defined as the first foot to fall to the floor AFTER the gather. If there is a foot on the floor at the time the ball is gathered, it doesn’t count toward the players 2 allowed steps. This differs from the more traditional NCAA and NFHS rules which consider the foot on the floor at the time the ball is gathered, as the pivot foot - or step 1.
All the rules on this channel are specifically referencing the NFHS rules book which is the governing body for High School basketball in the United States.
@@OfficialsInstitute and it's different from NBA too. most everyone got their basketball rule knowledge from NBA on TNT. what James Harden does on tv does not mean it's legal in nfhs rule.
Grown men shouldn’t play by hs rules you already counting a step b4 the person even gathered the ball they need to change this in hs it make the game limited n stiff
I do not think this is correct. The pivot foot is established when coming to a stop and not when gathering the ball. Explainad like this every 1-2 layup would be travel.
The pivot is established when a dribbling/moving player catches the ball. NFHS 4.44.2. Nothing about the “gather.” Most layups probably are traveling by the hard fast rule, but in real time, on a layup, it’s very difficult to determine what foot, if any, are touching the floor when the player “catches/holds” the ball so most officials will make the assumption the ball was caught with neither foot touching thus allowing the “1-2 step” that has become standard in the game of basketball.
@@OfficialsInstitute I am sorry but that is not logical. That explanation, if adhered to strictly, would change the game we know, layups, 1-2 shooting...all could be called traveling. Original rule, as we all remember it, was as follows: when you catch the ball you have two more steps. Pivot foot is the foot that makes first of those two steps. Not the leg that was on the ground when you catch the ball while moving. That is new interpretation of original rules and will bring only confusion. That is my opinion.
@@sluzbakristova7489 the NFHS rules, as he has explained them are the traditional travel rules. The NCAA and NFHS levels have been operating under these rules for long long time.
@@OfficialsInstitute There should be a balance struck between this video and what the NBA currently allows. The game should evolve as needed but also maintain clear rules and boundaries.
There’s way too much confusion in Gen Z about a rule that can be spoken in a single sentence. Put simply, Gen Z doesn’t read, and doesn’t think critically. Here it is, in one sentence: “If you pick up your pivot foot, it can’t come back down.” We learned these rules in elementary school. Gen Z teens and twenty somethings are having their minds blown by one basic rule. It’s no wonder the NBA has become a toddler playground. This generation literally, LITERALLY, has their mind blown by the simplest of rules. It’s not complicated, kids. Learn the rules before you play the game. They’re rules that can be understood by nine year olds. The first several travels were OBVIOUSLY travels to any Gen Xer. Not even remotely difficult calls.
Well, maybe not. NBA has different rules on traveling than high school, because they are better players and thus given allowances that are more suited to their skill level.
@@OfficialsInstitute yes I was about to say most of these don't look like travels on the nba level if so lebron is traveling everytime he drives to the basket
@@jordanflores5687 On a shot or pass attempt, the NBA allows two steps after the dribble is ended (ball is gathered). Step 1 is defined as the first foot to fall to the floor AFTER the gather. If there is a foot on the floor at the time the ball is gathered, it doesn’t count toward the players 2 allowed steps. Many call this a zero or gather step. This differs from the more traditional NCAA and NFHS rules which consider the foot on the floor at the time the ball is gathered, as the pivot foot - or step 1.
Those are good explanations. The thing I don't like about this rule is technically, every normal 1-2 layup would be travel then because if you slow down someone doing a regular (ex. right-handed) layup, usually players pick up the ball with their left foot on the ground and their right foot bounding forward in the air, as they are about to step for a right-left foot layup. So, in that case, the left foot on the ground is going to be a pivot foot, causing the then right-left (1,2) step to be a travel.
Agreed
Great Video. There are LOTS of officials who swallow the whistle when these situations present themselves in games. As a still newer official it had me questioning for a while if I understood things appropriately. Thanks for the clarification and video
Glad it was helpful. Thanks for watching.
Great video clips as usual!! If you watch clip #3, you will actually see he travels before the layup to the basket. #22 places his left foot on the ground just above the free-throw line and then gives a little "hop" toward the basket with his pivot foot!
As always, thanks for watching and providing your observations.
great video, 100% correct analysis and great examples to illustrate them
Thanks for watching
Many officials tell me that "they know a travel when they see it" - if I went by that thought then I would not have called any of the first three a travel. By rule, I completely agree with you and this was a good video for me.
Thanks for watching.
Very helpful thank you. I'm new to the sport and trying to learn moves which are legal. Having watched this twice over, the way I'm going to remember it is to think of my pivot foot spin as 'step 1', which means I HAVE to jump off my next step (step 2) on the other foot.
Glad it was helpful!
The content is solid. The dad joke puns just make it better 😄
Haha thnx
This is so helpful! Thank you!
You're so welcome!
I'm trying to teach my daughter the proper way to spin. Thanks for the video.
You’re welcome. Good luck!
01:54 I agree with you on the travel, but it is SO hard to call it. It LOOKS legal.
These are very difficult to get in real time.
Yes. Agreed and BTW, I love your videos. Newly subscribed@@OfficialsInstitute
No, it doesn’t. It only “looks” legal to you because your generation has normalized taking steps. I’m Gen X. I learned these rules as a child in the eighties. It’s obviously a travel.
Your point of reference is the normalization of traveling. Gen X point of reference is the actual rules. That’s why your perception is off. Gen Z thinks something is fine if everybody else is doing it. No…games have rules. Learn the rules and your perception will correct itself. It’s not complicated.
@@OfficialsInstitute
No, they’re not. I’m gen x and we learned this stuff in elementary school. Easily. Gen Z doesn’t read and doesn’t learn rules. They mimick what they see, rather than learning principles. They default to visual vagueness rather than explicit knowledge. They don’t have the capacity to discern specific rules. They deal in vague impressions because the schools failed them.
There wasn’t a single travel in this video that wasn’t obviously a travel…if you learned the rules in fifth grade. It’s absurd that teens and twenty somethings are having their minds blown by the idea that a rule is an exact, objective thing with zero ambiguity.
@@winstonsol8713 Chill out Mendy Rudolph. I'm a Gen Xer myself.
Coach we all know you can take as many steps ad you want as long as the dribble is live. Now, what about the one handed spin move, where the players spins on a pivot but keeps their hand over the ball without carrying, that isn't a travel right?
Correct. If the hand is on top of the ball, the player would not be considered holding the ball.
What about the gather step on the spin move?
In NFHS rules, there is no gather step.
@@OfficialsInstitute here in bc there is a gather step. So if there isn’t a gather step then everything that you said is right. But do you know anything about teaching the gather step without travelling
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Great Video like ur explaination in slow motion.
Glad it was helpful.
Thank you mr joshua watching from philippines nice video
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I appreciate you showing a spin move where the pivot is not returned to make it legal. But what I have never seen demonstrated is the late pick up of the ball where both feet are on are floor when the dribble is ended. This shows where either foot could be the pivot and when the player completes the move, his front is now the pivot and the back foot can come back down. I have been other official sites and if they never seen what it looks like they, officials only believe that your legal clip is the only way it can be performed legally. I have done a demonstration video on my page actually confirmed it with local HS refs. Also, the clip where you discussed whether it is a step or a jump. Do you know the difference? Doe are rule book differentiate? Some say it doesn't but I does. A jump is not based on height but by both feet leaving the floor. That is a jump. At least one foot is always on the floor during a step. You can only "lift" your foot if the other is on the floor. The jump definition come into play when a player has stopped AND a pivot is established in the rule book. "If both feet leave the floor, neither can be returned".
Thank you for your comments. The NFHS rules book does not define a jump or a step that I have seen. If you have a reference I would love to review it. The biggest take away on traveling, of any form, if you aren't sure, don't call it. You MUST be able to identify the pivot foot at the point of holding/catching the ball and if the play happens too fast to be able to do that, no violation should be called. As far as step/jump and where the feet are, we must remember the intent and purpose of the rules and so we can intelligently apply them in each play situation. Thanks for watching and providing your feedback.
@@OfficialsInstitute thank you
ART. 3 . . . After coming to a stop and establishing a pivot foot:
a. The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the floor, before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal.
b. If the player jumps, neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal.
The difference between a lift and a jump. In a lift, one foot is still on the floor. A jump, is both feet odd the floor and that is why it says the neither can return. We already know by definition what a jump means. It has nothing to do with height. Both feet off the floor. There are many directions to jump. We know what a Step is. We don't need the rule book to give a definition. If your walking, you are stepping and one foot is always on the floor. The Euro "Step" has become a Euro "jump". They have allowed the athleticism to take over. I played in Europe and it had to be steps. You could not jump, both feet off the floor, with a Euro. Go find Mano Ginobli videos and watch his euro when he first came into the league. He steps, one foot always on the floor, around players...he doesn't use "jump" steps. But, the NFHS or NCAA doesn't count steps for moving players so it doesn't matter if they are stepping or jumping when moving. Only the pivot. I know it may seem splitting hairs but that is how the rules were enforced when I played and the interpretation has changed and not the rule.
@@OpaTheOpenminded I didn't forget. everything you mention doesn't apply here. the discussion is when the dribble ends and a pivot is established. jump vs a step can be distinguished and the rules say it but the evolution of athleticism in the game doesn't distinguish.
Now i understand, thanks for the video.
You're welcome
Aw damn this is my go to move 😅 looks like I need to practice going off 1 foot
lol. Thanks for watching.
Well, its legal in NBA and FIBA rules. You can take two steps after ending the dribble ( while progressing )in order to shoot or pass. Like a regular layupp, bounce picupp one step, two step, shoot. Is college rules so different from the rest of the world?
NBA, FIBA, NCAA, and NFHS all have differences in certain areas within the game. Can make it difficult to understand sometimes when watching different levels play.
@@OfficialsInstitute
According to NFHS rules 95 % of all layups is a travel violation.
ART. 2 . . .
A player who catches the ball while moving or dribbling may stop and establish a pivot foot as follows:
b. If one foot is on the floor:
It is the pivot when the other foot touches in a step.
@@brhrh you’re probably right
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Great video sir
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Thanks for the vidoe. One question though - I thought the pivot foot is ONLY established if you catch the ball with both feet on the floor. The rule book doesn't care whether it's a spin move or a 0-1-2 layup. That's why most of the spin around pull ups that end up with the 'pivot' foot landing again are in fact 0-1-2 layups (basically catching the ball when they are progressing). Keen to know your thoughts on this.
There is no 0 step in NFHS rules. A pivot may be established is many ways and it’s our job to know how, in each scenario, that is done.
RULE 4 - SECTION 33
PIVOT
A pivot takes place when a player who is holding the ball steps once, or more than once, in any direction with the same foot while the other foot, called the pivot foot, is kept at its point of contact with the floor.
By these definitions a basic layup is a traveling violation.
@@thomasfair9707 I’m not following your reasoning
@@moejoeryzen2983 ignore him. He wasn’t reasoning
question, how about if you grab the ball AFTER the spin, not before the spin, so you complete the spin with the ball in one hand, then you when the non spin foot touches you grab the ball and take a 1-2 step to layup? would that be legal?
It all comes down to the pivot foot. When the player catches/holds the ball, the foot touching the floor is the pivot foot and cannot be lifted and returned. If the ball is caught/held with NO feet on the floor, the first foot to touch then becomes the pivot. Same rules apply, even though it may appear in that situation that the player gets a 1-2 step.
Whats about a dribble step, catch while spinning (gather) then finish off two, is that a travel?
What is important to know is when the pivot foot is established. It's hard to answer this scenario without that information but if the left foot is on the floor when the player catches/holds the ball, even though he is in the midst of spin, it would still be the pivot. So two step after that would be a travel.
gather step is only in nba and fiba
@@jacobfang525 and the streets unless you're playing with old heads
So the only time a pivot foot can be returned to the floor and it not be traveling is at the same time as the non pivot foot? As in completing a jump stop?
I guess you could say it that way.
You forgot about one more instance: There is a legal spin move where you catch the ball with one foot touching the ground. You pivot off that foot and jump off that foot, continuing to spin in the air and then land on both feet at the same time.
Sounds tough. But legal. Thanks
What about step 0 in this scenario?
There is no 0 step using NFHS rules.
On a shot or pass attempt, the NBA allows two steps after the dribble is ended (ball is gathered).
Step 1 is defined as the first foot to fall to the floor AFTER the gather. If there is a foot on the floor at the time the ball is gathered, it doesn’t count toward the players 2 allowed steps. This is often called a gather or zero step.
This differs from the more traditional NCAA and NFHS rules which consider the foot on the floor at the time the ball is gathered, as the pivot foot - or step 1.
I'm quite new to basketball rules cuz I only play street ball with a mix of old school basketball and want to know more,, I'm 21 and just started getting better than before. I'm weak at dribbling so I'm practicing dribble then passing later,, is it legal to do a spin move but not gathering the ball to pass a defender? It's common in streetball so I don't know if it's legal or not.
Hard to say without seeing an example of what you are describing
I've never seen any of these called travels in NBA, college, or street. The kicker is that you base everything around "when the ball is gathered" and you count the foot on the ground as pivot. However, these spins all occur in a fluid motion. When in motion the 1st real step is never counted until AFTER the last dribble. In all these clips your "so-called" pivot foot is ALREAY DOWN when the ball is last dribbled, then the gather occurs while that foot is still on the ground. If in motion and dribble occurred with that foot down, you OBVIOUSLY still have an actual STEP to take before it's your FIRST STEP after dribbling is suspended . So you cannot count that as the pivot when the player remains in fluid motion, only if he exhibited a full stop after the gather.
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If you look spin move as a lay up, it’s totally legal and it is a perfect NBA 0,1,2 lay up. But if you treat it as a stop, it’s a travel.
Play 1 ...I Say Legal Too Hard To Really Tell
Wherever I play, and whatever I watch, whether it's NBA or FIBA, it's rare I see spin moves like these being called a travelling violation. I am so confused right now. 😅Even most of the referees didn't call travelling violation in these scenarios.
NBA and FIBA have different rule sets for traveling. And yes, many officials simply miss calling these violations, but that shouldn't normalize the move and just ignore the rule.
American should start playing the fiba game..
If you do a spin move in the open court using only one hand to hold the ball can you continue down the court as long as you don’t take too many steps?
The traveling rules apply regardless of where you are in the court.
Bro talks like a friggin robot
jokes aside this is really good advice, i've been called for travels while doing spin moves recently and was trying to find out why, this really helped and i'm looking forward to leaving defenders in the dust
Glad it was helpful.
I am confused. Examples 1 through 3 all look to me as though what you call establishment of the pivot foot is just the gather step allowed under the recently adjusted travel rule.
There is no gather step in NFHS.
Does a euro step a travel?
Eurosteps are a challenge because in NFHS most “eurosteps” aren’t even because there is no gather step in NFHS rules.
Off Of Any Dribble it Is Always 1..2...& Up....2 &1/2 Steps ...But The 1st Big Step MUST be Just Catching / Gathering The Ball Then 1 & 1/2 More ! Period Legal !
Euro Steps Look Awkward But They Are 100% Legal Any Where ! 51 Years ! And Still Reffing !
I’ve got a question. I’m scenario 3 the player with the ball was taking his two steps so why does the pivot foot matter until done those steps? No hate just asking
The pivot matters because once you catch/hold the ball, the limitations on what you can do start.
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When did it become, two steps? When I was a kid it was a step and a half.
Technically it’s neither. It all depends on the pivot foot and when the ball is v caught/held.
Wher is the zero step?
There is no zero step in NFHS rules.
I have regarding the first example. I’m not sure I understand why #1 is a travel. The way I see it, his left foot is on the ground before the pick up. With that in mind, shouldn’t a player be able to utilize two steps after a pick-up. So for example in clip #1, left foot is on the ground at the pick-up and the right is not. Therefore, the right foot landing is step 1 and the left landing is step 2. Again, just asking for clarification. Im having trouble understanding clip #1.
One play I see as similar to this but is legal is a traditional layup. For example, if a player is going for a layup on the right hand side with the right foot, left foot, right knee up, the players left foot on the ground before the pick up would be considered the pivot foot. However, this is never called a travel at any level basketball. I would argue the left foot on the ground before the pick up isn’t viewed as a pivot foot because it was there before the pick-up happened. Making the right foot, left foot, right knee up a legal 1,2 step.
There is no mention in the rules book about allowing 2 steps. It all depends on when the ball is caught/held and what the pivot foot is at that moment.
Thank you for the clarification
I do have a question regarding how you would call this layup starting at the 1:56 mark.
m.ua-cam.com/video/Tm7N2HU4noQ/v-deo.html
Although it takes a slow motion replay to catch it, the player gathers with the left foot on the floor, right foot in the air… but then proceeds to right step and left step (therefore dropping his pivot back to the floor).
Using the rules as they should... today's NBA games would be comically long.
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The NBA ( and FIBA) rules are explicitly different in establishing your pivot while in motion than NCAA and NFHS. These moves are all legal on those federations
Is it FIBA rule because in NBA players do that but ref doesn't call it travel.
These rules are within the NFHS rules book. NBA and FIBA both have a different set of restrictions regarding traveling.
So, it is it legal when: you spin and cathed the ball with two hands while two feet firmly on the ground, before jumping and making a shot?
Not sure I understand fully.
@@OfficialsInstitute ahmm.. what about when you make a spin move, and gaining control of the ball (holding the ball with two hands) while simultaneously landing on both feet before jumping and shooting the ball, legal?
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All illegal cases here looked as the player picked up the ball at the first place. How about the case by picking up ball when both feet on ground?
If a player catches the ball with both feet on the ground, either foot may be used as a pivot.
Isn't that a gather step?
Maybe, but NFHS doesn't recognize a gather step, or zero step.
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Can you comment on this spin move (first move "1. Spin back")? ua-cam.com/video/bzSJUZb-CAE/v-deo.htmlsi? At issue is where the player picks up the ball. It is difficult to see his (single) hand under the lower hemisphere of the basketball during the spin. Is the moment of "pick up" when he puts two hands on the ball or before? Appreciate the help. The second move ("2. Under scoop") the hand is clearly under the ball when the player is spinning on the right foot so that looks like a clear travel as soon as the right foot comes back to the ground before the shot. I believe the first move is probably the same,...the hand must be under the ball on the spin, I just can't see it. Thank you!
1st and 2nd video, both moves, in real time, are too difficult to determine when he catches/holds the ball, therefore I would allow this move. I'm relatively sure if I were to slow it down it would be a travel, as it is written, but we never want to rule a play to be illegal if we are not sure.
Not sure if that is helpful or not, but again, when in doubt, don't blow your whistle.
I feel like a spin move and a step through are the most controversial moves. So many people don’t understand the concept of a pivot foot and what you can and cannot do with it.
Agreed.
Same logic with gather 1 and 2 step
Yes same concept. You just know what foot is the pivot foot.
Great Vid! I heard this before though and I have to disagree and argue this move is only a travel in slow motion or freeze frame. (Referencing #1) Because “establishing” a pivot foot is a discretion call. It’s been shown that players can take two slow steps without traveling as long as they don’t stop so what’s the difference? I think mere fact that the player spins makes it feel different but he never stops so that’s the equivalent of taking a slow controlled step in the opposite direction. Then he gathers (stops) and now establishes a pivot. We NEED to revisit this interpretation because it is inconsistent. THANKS!
The traveling rules are written pretty clearly but you are right about determining the pivot foot. It is getting more difficult every year as the players get better and faster with moves like this.
Not sure I completely understand the point you are trying to make, but contrary to public opinion, traveling isn’t about how many steps a player takes. If you read the rules, it says nothing about how many steps are allowed. It is solely dictated by the establishment of a pivot foot and what that foot is allowed or not allowed to do under the rules.
Even on a basic two step layup, you have a pivot foot. Whether you are in continuous motion or not, the same principles apply. Just like in the spin move, it cannot be lifted and then returned to the floor prior to a pass or shot attempt. There’s nothing discretionary about it.
In video #2 why wouldn’t those steps be considered part if the steps you’re allowed to take? He clearly was moving with momentum as opposed to video #1
The rules clearly state what a moving player can do after catching the ball. This move is often allowed by officials since in real time it’s hard to determine what foot/feet is touching the court when the ball is caught, but slowing it down clearly shows a traveling violation.
The pivot foot was recognised incorrectly, they are not travelling spin moves. The first foot touch floor AFTER gather the ball should be pivot foot! Not the one already on the floor when catch the ball!!
The NFHS rules book states in 4.44.2b1 ART. 2 ... A player, who catches the ball while moving or dribbling, may stop, and establish a pivot foot as follows:
b. If one foot is on the floor:
1. It is the pivot when the other foot touches in a step.
@@OfficialsInstitute That’s different to FIBA rule then. FIBA, meanwhile, has a so-called zero step. After catching the ball, the foot that first touches the ground becomes the pivot from which all other actions can proceed. The player can then start dribbling the ball or take a two-step to finish the shot, hence, creating a three-step move together with a zero step.
Yes, FIBA recently joined the NBA in legalizing traveling. The NCAA and NFHS still operates under traditional travel rules.
So, every spin move is a violation????
According to the letter of the rules book, most are.
Basically 99 percent of the time a spin move is a travel. Unless you got that balance to go up off one 🤣🤣
Not sure of the percentage but most are.
Why spin move NBA are not travelling? Would a travel be different from nba rules and official basketball rules? I think the rules that you are teaching will follow the rules but less entertaining.
NBA has a different set of rules surrounding traveling which is why they don't compare equally.
Thanks you spin move is very hard to establish whew. Why in NBA they don't call it traveling 😂
NBA has different rules with different allowances so many of what they do are legal at that level.
@@OfficialsInstitute ic. Thanks Do you have video of NBA guide to not to traveling?
On a shot or pass attempt, the NBA allows two steps after the dribble is ended (ball is gathered).
Step 1 is defined as the first foot to fall to the floor AFTER the gather. If there is a foot on the floor at the time the ball is gathered, it doesn’t count toward the players 2 allowed steps.
This differs from the more traditional NCAA and NFHS rules which consider the foot on the floor at the time the ball is gathered, as the pivot foot - or step 1.
This is for high school/NCAA in USA and only in USA. Outside of the USA, FIBA is the rule!
All the rules on this channel are specifically referencing the NFHS rules book which is the governing body for High School basketball in the United States.
don't be spreading lies, these were clean plays. I'm in one of them.
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what is a travel i thought it was a 0-1-2 i guess
it's not a fiba rules
This video is explaining the traveling rules under NFHS, which are different than the FIBA rules.
@@OfficialsInstitute and it's different from NBA too. most everyone got their basketball rule knowledge from NBA on TNT. what James Harden does on tv does not mean it's legal in nfhs rule.
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So posts can’t go up strong off two feet to ensure the bucket with a spin move. Dumb
It is what it is
This move is never called in the NBA or the collegiate level.
Different level have different rule sets. These rules pertain specifically to NFHS basketball.
Not called much in High School either
If you watch a player spin 360 degrees after they end their dribble and they still have the ball. That player has a travel violation.
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According to Tim Donaghy, the league doesn't want it called on star players like Michael Jordan.
Lol. I saw that 30 on 30 too.
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Grown men shouldn’t play by hs rules you already counting a step b4 the person even gathered the ball they need to change this in hs it make the game limited n stiff
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I do not think this is correct. The pivot foot is established when coming to a stop and not when gathering the ball. Explainad like this every 1-2 layup would be travel.
The pivot is established when a dribbling/moving player catches the ball. NFHS 4.44.2. Nothing about the “gather.” Most layups probably are traveling by the hard fast rule, but in real time, on a layup, it’s very difficult to determine what foot, if any, are touching the floor when the player “catches/holds” the ball so most officials will make the assumption the ball was caught with neither foot touching thus allowing the “1-2 step” that has become standard in the game of basketball.
@@OfficialsInstitute I am sorry but that is not logical. That explanation, if adhered to strictly, would change the game we know, layups, 1-2 shooting...all could be called traveling. Original rule, as we all remember it, was as follows: when you catch the ball you have two more steps. Pivot foot is the foot that makes first of those two steps. Not the leg that was on the ground when you catch the ball while moving. That is new interpretation of original rules and will bring only confusion. That is my opinion.
@@sluzbakristova7489 the NFHS rules, as he has explained them are the traditional travel rules. The NCAA and NFHS levels have been operating under these rules for long long time.
This rule should be changed. It is a relic of the 1950s.
You are probably right.
@@OfficialsInstitute There should be a balance struck between this video and what the NBA currently allows. The game should evolve as needed but also maintain clear rules and boundaries.
NCAA and NFHS will both adopt the FIBA rule at some point, ie gather step
There’s way too much confusion in Gen Z about a rule that can be spoken in a single sentence. Put simply, Gen Z doesn’t read, and doesn’t think critically.
Here it is, in one sentence: “If you pick up your pivot foot, it can’t come back down.” We learned these rules in elementary school. Gen Z teens and twenty somethings are having their minds blown by one basic rule. It’s no wonder the NBA has become a toddler playground. This generation literally, LITERALLY, has their mind blown by the simplest of rules. It’s not complicated, kids. Learn the rules before you play the game. They’re rules that can be understood by nine year olds. The first several travels were OBVIOUSLY travels to any Gen Xer. Not even remotely difficult calls.
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90% Of These Spin Moves Are to Me All Legal Most Times Players,Are Still Dribbling Or Really Have Not Gathered 100%
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oh my god they are playing basketball with masks on. those where hard times
Yes it was.
By your rules logic, no one can do a layup with two steps lol.
Agreed. I don’t write the rules.
You can if you pick up with both feet off the floor, which is how everyone should be taught
Bro doesn't understand 0 step
There is no zero step in NFHS rules. Thanks for watching.
So thats means we have been living a lie for years lol
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Thank you sir. So basically the famous Hakeem move against Ewing was travel
Well, maybe not. NBA has different rules on traveling than high school, because they are better players and thus given allowances that are more suited to their skill level.
@@OfficialsInstitute yes I was about to say most of these don't look like travels on the nba level if so lebron is traveling everytime he drives to the basket
@@jordanflores5687 On a shot or pass attempt, the NBA allows two steps after the dribble is ended (ball is gathered).
Step 1 is defined as the first foot to fall to the floor AFTER the gather. If there is a foot on the floor at the time the ball is gathered, it doesn’t count toward the players 2 allowed steps. Many call this a zero or gather step.
This differs from the more traditional NCAA and NFHS rules which consider the foot on the floor at the time the ball is gathered, as the pivot foot - or step 1.
Kids are being trained that they are allowed a gather step. Traveling is allowed.
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