I had scenario #3 happen to me in a game recently. The opposing coach was livid that i made no call on the first to touch rule, which was the correct call. I was then overturned by a veteran official. Glad to know i was right. Thanks for all that you do. Very helpful videos. Always something new to learn
I learned something I had been doing wrong. I was pretty sure an out of bounds player had to first fully establish on court status by getting both feet in the floor. Kind of like backcourt you need both feet over - made me always rule that a player needed to establish both feet before touching
4:15 this rule is of fiba? Meaning Is it legal in fiba to dribble the ball and then go out of bound come back establish yourself and then touch the ball first? If yes then which rule of fiba rulebook plz help
On the 3rd clip, Center official called out of bounds, in which it is still legal. If both trail and lead sees that play that is good, can the 3 officials discuss at the center court? Or call overturn?
There is no possible way for Trail or Lead to see this play as the Center is looking right down the line. Watching across the other side of the court is a completely different angle and can be deceiving on what actually happened. So this call lives and dies with the Center.
Thanks for a great video! I had a quick question on the 2nd clip. Is the ball considered dead only because it passed over the backboard (front to back)? I was confused because when Kobe shot his famous shot from behind the backboard, the shot was counted
At what point will an out of bounds call be in appearance so let’s say Coach grabs the ball as the ball is going out of bounds at what midlife point would you say Coach and appearance are out of balance on last two touched it thank you
Sir Question here. Suppose there are two players A and B . If the ball touches the A player who is out of bounds already ( both legs out) and B is one who tossed/tipped the ball towards A . Who's ball should it be? Note: A and B are opponents.
I have questions sir. If the ball hit the top of backboard and toward back into the court are the ball still playable? And if the ball hits to the left/right side of backboard and direction went to left /right side of the court is a deadball ?
The ball may hit any side of the backboard, left right top or bottom, and it remains legal. Only time the ball is dead is if it passes over the top, front to back or back to front.
@@OfficialsInstitute You say ball is dead when it passes back to front. So, if i shoot behind the backboard (1. hit the top of backboard) (2.does not hit the backboard), is out-of-bound called?
What are the rules for out of bounds when the ball touches the line? When any part of the ball touches outside of the line? Or half tha ball is outside? Is it measured from the external edge of the line, or center of the line?
Player A saves ball to teammate before going out of bounds. Teammate catches ball and then throws it back to player A, who is jumping back inbounds. One foot is on the floor inbounds and other foot is in the the air. Is Player A inbounds? Or do both feet need to be inbounds? Thank you!
@@OfficialsInstitute Thank you. A highly rated official here in Indiana told me the player needs both feet inbounds. Is there a rule book citation to reference?
What would happen if a player took a step out of bounds to save the ball, and then jumped (now both feet are in the air, but jumped after touching out of bounds) and saved the ball possesion? Would the ball still be in this players team possesion?
An airborne player retains the same location from when they last touched the floor. So in this scenario, if the airborne player touches the ball, they would be considered out of bounds.
on the 3rd play, it was ruled legal because he went out of bounds involuntarily but what if you as an official feel like he went out purposefully? is it still legal?
Correct. His momentum from trying to save the ball took him out of bounds and therefore cannot be considered a voluntary action. However, if the official did, in fact, believe the player intentionally went out of bounds, it would be a violation as soon as he steps on the boundary line, for leaving the court for an "unauthorized reason."
@@OfficialsInstitute I thought this is NCAA rule only: if the player goes out of bound voluntarily, he cannot be the first to touch the ball when inbound. I don't remember there is explicit rule for NFHS on this. ua-cam.com/video/W-j8mlhO5Iw/v-deo.html There was a such play on NCAA weekly whistle on this I am trying to find.
Is this out of bounds or no? Based on thousands of games I have videotaped as a basketball videographer in Chicago, it looks to me like the referee made the wrong call but please advise. The ball bounced out of bounds and the player jumped out of bounds and passed the ball in. The ref blew the play dead but neither the ball nor the player touched the ground out of bounds. The baller went to all that trouble to jump up in the air out of bounds and throw the ball to a team mate before the ball touched the ground, but it was a wasted effort because the referee blew the play dead as soon as the ball crossed out of bounds, even though the ball hadn't touched the floor yet out of bounds. ua-cam.com/video/mGT5NOn_RgI/v-deo.html
Hard to see exactly, but it appears the player jumps with a foot on the out of bounds line. If this is the case, the player is considered out of bounds and therefore once he touches the ball, causes the ball to be out of bounds. Correct call by the official.
Play #3 You can be last to touch and then first to touch, but he cannot then make a dribbling play. That is a pass to himself and therefore a double dribble
Only if you deem the first touch to be a dribble, but remember, the rule defines a dribble "by a player in control who bats . . . or pushes the ball to the floor" In play #3 the player bats the ball does not appear to be in control at that time. This would make the subsequent catch and dribble legal.
I had scenario #3 happen to me in a game recently. The opposing coach was livid that i made no call on the first to touch rule, which was the correct call. I was then overturned by a veteran official. Glad to know i was right.
Thanks for all that you do. Very helpful videos. Always something new to learn
#3 is a very commonly misunderstood ruling. Glad you were right with your thinking.
I learned something I had been doing wrong. I was pretty sure an out of bounds player had to first fully establish on court status by getting both feet in the floor. Kind of like backcourt you need both feet over - made me always rule that a player needed to establish both feet before touching
Glad it was helpful.
4:15 this rule is of fiba?
Meaning
Is it legal in fiba to dribble the ball and then go out of bound come back establish yourself and then touch the ball first? If yes then which rule of fiba rulebook plz help
Unfortunately I do not have access to FIBA rules and cannot speak to legality of those. This video is under the rules set by the NFHS.
So in scenario 3, only one foot is needed to establish legal play. Is there a change in this rule now?
No change.
On the 3rd clip, Center official called out of bounds, in which it is still legal. If both trail and lead sees that play that is good, can the 3 officials discuss at the center court? Or call overturn?
There is no possible way for Trail or Lead to see this play as the Center is looking right down the line. Watching across the other side of the court is a completely different angle and can be deceiving on what actually happened. So this call lives and dies with the Center.
Thanks for a great video! I had a quick question on the 2nd clip. Is the ball considered dead only because it passed over the backboard (front to back)? I was confused because when Kobe shot his famous shot from behind the backboard, the shot was counted
Yes, in NFHS when the ball passes over a rectangular backboard the ball becomes dead as it is a violation.
Kobe’s shot came from behind the backboard to the front for the basket. In this scenario, the ball rolls backwards
At what point will an out of bounds call be in appearance so let’s say Coach grabs the ball as the ball is going out of bounds at what midlife point would you say Coach and appearance are out of balance on last two touched it thank you
Not sure what your question is. Coach is out of bounds and if he grabs it at any point, the ball is then considered out of bounds.
What are the rules for clip 3rd if the player takes 2 step instead one?
No difference, as long as the official judges the reason the player goes out of bounds due to momentum.
Sir Question here. Suppose there are two players A and B . If the ball touches the A player who is out of bounds already ( both legs out) and B is one who tossed/tipped the ball towards A . Who's ball should it be?
Note: A and B are opponents.
B's ball. A caused the ball to go out of bounds because they were outside the boundary line when the ball touched them.
I have questions sir.
If the ball hit the top of backboard and toward back into the court are the ball still playable?
And if the ball hits to the left/right side of backboard and direction went to left /right side of the court is a deadball ?
The ball may hit any side of the backboard, left right top or bottom, and it remains legal. Only time the ball is dead is if it passes over the top, front to back or back to front.
@@OfficialsInstitute You say ball is dead when it passes back to front. So, if i shoot behind the backboard (1. hit the top of backboard) (2.does not hit the backboard), is out-of-bound called?
@@OneTwoThrre If the ball passes over the backboard, either from front to back or back to front, it is a violation.
What are the rules for out of bounds when the ball touches the line? When any part of the ball touches outside of the line? Or half tha ball is outside? Is it measured from the external edge of the line, or center of the line?
The entire line is out of bounds so if the ball touches any part of it, it is an out of bounds violation.
Player A saves ball to teammate before going out of bounds. Teammate catches ball and then throws it back to player A, who is jumping back inbounds. One foot is on the floor inbounds and other foot is in the the air. Is Player A inbounds? Or do both feet need to be inbounds? Thank you!
Only one foot is needed.
@@OfficialsInstitute Thank you. A highly rated official here in Indiana told me the player needs both feet inbounds. Is there a rule book citation to reference?
@@michaelj529 case book play 4.35.1 Hopefully this situation proves useful.
@@OfficialsInstitute Many thanks! I find the Officials Institute to be very helpful.
What would happen if a player took a step out of bounds to save the ball, and then jumped (now both feet are in the air, but jumped after touching out of bounds) and saved the ball possesion? Would the ball still be in this players team possesion?
An airborne player retains the same location from when they last touched the floor. So in this scenario, if the airborne player touches the ball, they would be considered out of bounds.
If I save out of bounds by diving but I am in the condition that I can retreat in-bound balls after entering the court.
Is it any violation or foul?
If your momentum takes out of bounds, you may reenter and be the first to touch the ball with no violation.
4:18 First in Touch
Thanks for watching
Players always give you a hint if they touched the ball last with their body Language.
Not always but lots of times. Absolutes are rare
@@762531971 I agree blue player body language sold that he touched it.
Thanks for the comment.
@@OfficialsInstitute Thank you for providing this skill development tool. Its priceless!
on the 3rd play, it was ruled legal because he went out of bounds involuntarily but what if you as an official feel like he went out purposefully? is it still legal?
Correct. His momentum from trying to save the ball took him out of bounds and therefore cannot be considered a voluntary action. However, if the official did, in fact, believe the player intentionally went out of bounds, it would be a violation as soon as he steps on the boundary line, for leaving the court for an "unauthorized reason."
@@OfficialsInstitute is this rule different in nba and fiba ??
@@avclub2456 Unfortunately we don't have enough knowledge in those two leagues to give an appropriate answer. Maybe some of our other viewers can.
@@OfficialsInstitute I thought this is NCAA rule only: if the player goes out of bound voluntarily, he cannot be the first to touch the ball when inbound. I don't remember there is explicit rule for NFHS on this. ua-cam.com/video/W-j8mlhO5Iw/v-deo.html There was a such play on NCAA weekly whistle on this I am trying to find.
The NCAA play I am talking about at 2:25 ua-cam.com/video/VpMTPGo3hrw/v-deo.html
So if the ball hits the top of the backboard but goes in towards the court is that a dead ball?
No. Only if it passes over a rectangular backboard.
5:05
Ty
Why is over the backboard out?
I don’t know why or how this rule came about, only that it is indeed a rule.
@@OfficialsInstitute No worries, that's good enough for me. Just curious if there was more to it.
Thank you heaps for your work
Are any of these NBA rules?
All videos on this channel are NFHS rules.
Is this out of bounds or no? Based on thousands of games I have videotaped as a basketball videographer in Chicago, it looks to me like the referee made the wrong call but please advise. The ball bounced out of bounds and the player jumped out of bounds and passed the ball in. The ref blew the play dead but neither the ball nor the player touched the ground out of bounds. The baller went to all that trouble to jump up in the air out of bounds and throw the ball to a team mate before the ball touched the ground, but it was a wasted effort because the referee blew the play dead as soon as the ball crossed out of bounds, even though the ball hadn't touched the floor yet out of bounds.
ua-cam.com/video/mGT5NOn_RgI/v-deo.html
Hard to see exactly, but it appears the player jumps with a foot on the out of bounds line. If this is the case, the player is considered out of bounds and therefore once he touches the ball, causes the ball to be out of bounds.
Correct call by the official.
Fun fact: half of these plays are travels
Maybe, but the segment is specifically about out of bounds. Thanks for watching.
Play #3 You can be last to touch and then first to touch, but he cannot then make a dribbling play. That is a pass to himself and therefore a double dribble
Only if you deem the first touch to be a dribble, but remember, the rule defines a dribble "by a player in control who bats . . . or pushes the ball to the floor" In play #3 the player bats the ball does not appear to be in control at that time. This would make the subsequent catch and dribble legal.
@@OfficialsInstituteif you jump out of bounds to save the ball and are the first to touch ball upon getting back in bounds is that legal?
@@sonsofsilverton4904 yes