I am Faster with VR then Triple Screen in any Sim - Side by side video
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2024
- keep in mind that is my personal experience and preference ! It works for me and for all other friends tested my rig but may not apply 100% for you !
From the first two turns I absolutely understand, why you're so much faster in VR, it's something I noticed too when I compared my sim driving (one 24" screen) with real driving. In the screen setup you turn after you pass the optimal point of turn in, in essence you react to the turn itself; in the VR you turn in at the optimal point because you do not react to the turn but the turn comes to you because you have the benefit of depth and stereoscopic vision. Now I am going to unpause and watch the rest of the video
Never thought in this way! That was an awesome point of view buddy 😃
The editing in this video is awesome. Love the transition from the trips to the headset! 👍🏾
Was fun idea 😁 thx buddy
Hey brother thank you so much for the straight up information and not waisting anyone’s time straight to the point with a real answer I love it man keep up the amazing work
Thx Buddy ! Appreciate your time spent on this comment to let me know you like it ❤️
I like the three screens the realism is uncanning. The VR is cool the idea that you feel more inside the car has to be intense. However it's still in it's infancy. But love watching the run pretty damn cool
I had the exact same opinion about it still being in it's infancy until I got myself a Geverb G2 yesterday. started up Iracing on OpenXR and it blew all of my expectations out of the water, by miles even. It does not translate well to a UA-cam video, at all.
This is spot on! A drastic time difference between the two for me as well. Nice Video 👍
Omg, I thought the start of the video was in VR 🤣. Awesome video man, I tried playing dirt rally 2 on the monitor after playing in VR and I was hitting everything lol.
Hobby Media absolutely the same feeling but with the triplets 😂 thx buddy for the kind words ❤️
Wow, looks like your driving is in fast forward in comparison to tripple screens.
For me i find vr alot easier than tripples, i dont rely on memorizing breaking points as much. I just look for the apex and break when it feels natural too.
I think that is the big difference between them, vr gives you a sense of speed.
Wen I see it first time I tough the same 😂 I was thinking I cannot move my hands so quick... then I sync the brain onboard with the side camera and WTF 😂 makes so much difference for my perceptions that I can see how much more actually I pushing the car with confidence 😀
@@chepilevski If you launch AC and you start racing in VR, then switch to desktop (with the headset still on) so you're basically seeing a floating 2D screen, the difference is like night and day. Depth perception is crucially important to driving fast. Perhaps this is less obvious on a circuit you're very familiar with, because you've memorised a lot of details, but on a fresh track/road the difference is huge.
Awesome video sir!!! Thanks for making this. It answered exactly what I needed to know! I drive in VR mainly to practice for when I go to the race track in real life with cars and motorcycles. VR is the best for me!
Thx buddy ❤️ If you have told me that in the beginning I hade ready answer for you Jon 😁 if you use sim for training tool VR is the way ! There is always chance you can be bit faster In Triple screen if you practice a lot but in your case you don’t even have to think about it ... VR is the way 😃
@@chepilevski I think if I were to do a long online race triples would be better. Not worth the investment, rather spend money on tires haha
GREAT Vídeo... consistent with years of experience, Hundreds of events and thousand of users i organized.
Of course, it has downsizes to, but for the Ones who achieved minimum Confort, in terms of performance...No Doubt!
And it has All Logic to explain to... the most important, the true sense of depth!
Thanks for the vídeo
Absolutely agree 🤛
i am a very casual simrace player and always struggled with realistic simrace-games. VR gives you a much better feeling for the situation, for breaking points and such. I think VR makes you faster no matter how good you are. The downside is, that its pretty uncomfortable after a while.
VR you s such a beautiful experience man 😃 I love it 💥
Hey man, I have dealt with the comfort on my Vive Pro pretty well. I cut a face cushion, so I kept only the side parts and the cheeks, and then I added a 2-inch section of soft cushion in the middle of the forehead. This leaves 2-inch or larger gaps on each side to let air flow through and to take some contact away from the face. I also have a vive n' chill fan to blow down from above, but it's mounted separately on a cushion I made. That cushion is 2X2X4.5 inch foam wrapped in cloth, with a piece of wooden ruler glued to the top and a velcro loop glued to that, which attaches it to the top strap. It takes some pressure and ideally pushes somewhat forward. The wood distributes pressure out a bit.
I also put more firm-ish foam around the (rigid) headstrap, so it contacts my head more, theoretically so it can press less on the face for its stability. (The Vive Pro is really bad in this respect, especially in the back. But I also assume that having contact points on the ears, like having headphones attached to the headset, adds stability and removes pressure from face.)
I even experimented with having a chinstrap running from the back of the headmount, and when I ratcheted it down, this allowed me to run with the Vive floating completely in front of my face with no contact. Interesting, but gets tiring on the chin. Might be worth checking out more.
Hope these ideas help you.
VR is so beautiful world man ! even the sweat worth for the experience ! I do have 2 tubes and one big normall fan for the long races too !
Great video 👌🏽great to see VR and triple screen comparison and wow the times difference is crazy I'm going to have to do the same test 👍🏼👌🏽
Great intro music 👌🏽👌🏽 keep up the great work man awesome
Thx bro ❤️ I’m very very curious to know what will be for you the difference! I definitely didn’t see that coming! I know all my friends who are not deep into Simracing are faster with the vr but I’m used to bot sides and was really surprised with that 10sec difference excluding the 5 sec I lost at the end ! WTF really
@@chepilevski yh thats alot of time to be losing 😱 i will report back with my test results
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fantastic bro😍 keep it up, you will grow up on UA-cam👏💪💪
Virtual Race Experience thx mate , we gonna do it together 😀
Amazing setup, smashing editing, keep up the quality, people will come.
Thank you buddy 🤗
Great video and i totally agree with your findings. There is a ridiculous improvement in times with VR especially in tight roads and DR. Once i started using my reverb in sim racing, going back to 2d monitors didn't make sense. The fun and immersion is on another level...
Man, I couldn’t believe it wen I seen the times ! I felt I drive well with the triples and except the last mistake which cost 5 sec I felt like I improved few places and still 11 sec off 🤭 I didn’t see that coming 😂
@@chepilevski My friend i got the exactly the same feeling. Before i thought i was going super fast but it was impossible to place higher than 5th in championships. With the VR i could just win easily... i thought the game was broken LOL. So, i dont know if you have tried this already but for sure its very interesting. Try to get a couple of your friends that do not have experience with sim racing. Put them on your rig and have them do a couple of laps at first with the monitors. Then let them do the same laps with the VR. Assuming that they dont get VR sickness (50% chance they will) you are going to be amazed. It's like they these people have been sim racing for years... VR is extremely powerful with sims...
I do that all the time bro , and to be honest till now no one get really sick ! I put them for 2-3 laps and then break for 10 min most of them coming second time they feel absolutely fine ! I had some who make entire nordschleife in his first ever go on game and he hade never bin racer too ! No one of them take T1 on triples on his first go 😂
@@chepilevski 😂😂😂 dude for sure its good fun!! Btw have you reached to any cool settings (in-game and TD) for DR2?
Not really Panos , to be honest my experience with DR2 is like 2-3 hours total gameplay 🤭
Oh shit! For few seconds there I thought I was watching VR footage lol. I shouted, “What sim racer has hand tracking now!?!?”. Ive been wanting that for some years now! The addition of that would increase users immersion by that much more! Reaching over to shift, giving your pit crew a thumbs up, flick of other drivers after you all wreck lol.
Edit... the more I watch this... the more I really want hand tracking in sim racers, flight Sims, space sims...all sims lol!
Middle finger will be up all the time 😂 I want that too bro 😁
Depth perception and height perception account for a lot of the difference. VR is essentially a 3D world. Referencing some of the down hill dirt rally stages of Monte Carlo, it’s impossible to perceive how steep some of the hairpin bends are unless you are in VR.
Every time I jump on VR after some hours spent on monitors I get that wow factor! I have said this countless times but , VR will remain for me the biggest sim or any other gaming ever ! It is like the dream become true 😁
Looking at your hands moving, the triple screen looks like you're going for a Sunday drive! ;)
I just see the difference too 😁
way more chill and more mistakes. it almost looks like it was done on purpose to make VR better.
@@joei4ever VR is better. Much better.
Very nicely done, you had me interested in the Index, right up until I looked at the price in Australia, sadly crazy money to get one here.
Oh god , here in Europe I can have the headset for 529€ and one base station for 170€ which is all you need for Simracing! I know for Canada and Australia was bit complicated with the suppliers but sorry to hear is expensive there buddy!
Man if you cant get an index an if you want mainly for sim racing, then just get a reverb. Even with my ipd of 70 i find it amazing...
Ok Steliyan, I just pre ordered the hp v2 vr headset. Figuring combined with my wheel, pedals, shifter, handbrake and the DOF Reality P3 motion rig i just got...I just stepped up my fun level! Now we have to start racing with helmets again like we did that one day. Hahhahaa
Hey mate, how did the headset go with your motion rig? I have a motion rig on the way and have a Reverb G2 so curious if there is anything I need to do to make it work with motion!
@@legendarymark112 Not puke! Lol I don't think I'm cut out for VR!
@@SquiggyWigginz Most people find that after a week or two or short stints in VR they are fine and don't feel nauseas.
Nice vid and comparison!👌
Thx mate , I had no idea how is it going and wen I see the results I was really WTF ! I know I lost 5sec on the end but still I was 16sec of pace and I really felt like I drive very well in the triple 🤔
@@chepilevski I never tried triples, went from single to VR. But VR is the thing of all my geard that have made the most on my driving and laptimes!😎✌
For me VR will remain the biggest gaming upgrade ever ! Some times I cannot believe that even exist 😂
Race Beyond Matter I agree. I quit simracing in gtr2 era, VR bring me back to simracing. So I didn't even try a single or tripples for almost 15 years.
Maybe true for rally, for regular track racing, in my case at least, it is the same. I tested it back and forward for a long time. But: both need accommodation time. So if I did a few weeks racing with triples only it takes a while to get the same times again with VR (and the other way round).
I think my problem is I’m from triple for 3 years and probably lost the feeling of the flat picture:(
bro i saw the beginning thinking it was vr lmao
😁 that my goal to creat that feeling bro 😃
I got a Quest 2 in May. You have to do a motion rig, it is the logical progression. You can then feel the balance as well.
I definitely need motion Dani 😃 I hope I will have one at some point 💪
Still running the index? I am thinking of jumping in to the VR sim world. Tried any others vr head sets? I know there is tons of subjective information on the web. But your videos and you as a person (from other videos I've seen of yours) I trust you would give no bs feed back. Thanks :)
I tested most of the headsets and I personally prefer the index ! The new HP is great visually but little narrow in FOV ! The Rift S is good for the money but if you can afford the Index for me is the best option!
Appreciate it my friend :)
Agree. Also changed from triplescreen to a curved wide screen. Allways faster with VR, allmost in openwheeler. But not all Sims are well with VR. Best is AC, worst is ACC .. 😏 👋🇨🇭
Yeh man , ACC and is bad and is a shame but if we are lucky to get the new gen cards we must be fine ! ACC is so ahead of its time graphically and one day will be absolutely awesome if we can enjoy max settings on high end VR
Its not that bad. Only the menu .. and sometimes the mouse does not find the "click" .. 😏 But if the setup and all important others are fine, then ACC is very nice in VR (driving). 🥰👍 Thanks again for all your very nice work! 👋🇨🇭
I'll never go back to screen after VR unless it's a 49 inch ultra wide ROG
But no motion! Ya gotta get an SFX-100 and/or G seat ;) it's damn good with vr
Awesome vídeo, great content!!!
Thx mate ❤️
Can't wait to get a hp g2 been sim racing with vr for a few years can't go back
That must be game changer with the high resolution bro ❤️
One interesting thing is that all professional level simulators use screens and not VR.
very useful the safety net...lololll hahahah
😂😂😂 safety first Enrico lol there is even fire system! You never know wen you gonna need some safety net to lean down and relax or fire system to get refreshed from the heat 😜
Trips for the win Steli!!
You know me Steve 😜
That is a cool setup with the triple monitors, though your setup is not cheaper than VR, lol. With VR you have depth perception. I play flight sims and having the advantage of the depth makes A/A refueling a lot easier.
For my brain the depth of field makes so much more sense and I guess that’s the reason I’m faster 🤔
0:43 HAHAHAHA said it best
Good video, but I think this big margin is mainly because of learning a track in VR might be a bit easier than on triples, especially on a track with lots of elevation, tight corners and a long track. I used VR too for half a year but switched to triples and I love it. I just don't like the hassle of putting the goggles on, than the headset on top of the vr, than your gloves and then sweating like crazy without any reality of your surrounding.
Kyrill Verheij it is more about my perception probably! I didn’t know the track at all and complete that stage in VR in second try ! I improve 2-3 places I did mistakes with the VR on the triple screen but took my more then 5 times to complete the stage ! I can also see on the video I have more confidence with the car on the VR and work the wheel more aggressively but as I said in the video I don’t want to prove anything here but only share my personal experience! I know few friends give up on vr because of that discomfort you described and they felt they become faster ! It is different for everyone! Thx for the kind words too mate ❤️
Yes awesome video. I subscribed
Thx buddy ,happy you enjoyed it 😁
Hp G2 plus 3090 and now for sure screens are not needed now
For my personal experience, even Oculus Rift was enough to never think again monitors ! But I love creating content and monitors are better choice for that ! I still race my races with the Index 😃
@@chepilevski makes sense, even OG baldie "GamerMuscleVideos" does the same 🤣
Now this was the final proof I neded to decide to jump in to VR... once the freaking Rift S will be back on stock on Amazon in Europe >.
Gerardo García Díaz thx bro ❤️
Really consider the hp reverb. I tried both and the sharpness is so incredible. Also 10hz more per second.
If it wasn't for motion sickness.
I fully share your opinion nothing is comparable to the VR immersion . Unfortunately I cannot record my races on dirt rally 2.0. the image in the helmet is good but the screen gives me the image of both eyes and I tried everything without success. it's the only game that gives me this problem. Pity
Mercenaire [ MRCNR ] obsproject.com/forum/resources/openvr-input-plugin.534/ check this mate ! Open VR for OBS make it look as screen quality and full control of which eye you want to stream and correction of you FOV thx for the kind words too ❤️
I have bought but i can't stand the blurry distance. I haven't use vr for some time now. also you know a way maybe how to use vr and triple screens when you only have 3 display ports?
It looks like iRacing is the only game which is sharp enough on distance! I totally understand what you mean bro !
With that cokpit I don't get vr or crazy and that I use vr, but blocking all that investment and personization should cost a lot when running with vr.
VR is for me and the rest is for the video channel , I definitely enjoy both :)
Lovely control once again man.
What are your thoughts on the new gloves, better than the Alpinestars? 🤔🤔🤔
Thx Ryan , those gloves are comfortable but I really questioning the quality of the silicone grip as it starts wearing bit quickly! Let’s see in a month from now and will report bro !
Do you use VR in competitions? How often do you race with VR vs triples?
The last 2.5 years I use exclusively VR for competitive racing and the triple screen setup is only for videos purposes and content creation Maxwell !
@@chepilevski Thank you for the response! That actually carries a lot of weight coming from you! It was hard to find any professional sim racers that was actually using VR. I wonder how you would like the XTAL then! Perhaps one day! VR will only become more advanced/realistic/affordable/etc. You’ve helped me with my decision! I will prioritize VR and triple/ultrawide second. Although, I need to get over the VR sickness first! Also, love your content. You are very humble and understand of how everyone is different. Bless you!
Hi, great video. I was wondering if you could share your pc specs and setting for steam vr and also graphics settings for project cars 2 and assetto corsa. I have had my index for about a month and spend a lot of time messing with settings. I was just curious to know how you got on with 3 years of owning it and experience. If your using nvidia do you adjust any settings outside of the game also Many thanks.
Chris White ua-cam.com/video/mufBpD6M99s/v-deo.html in this video I have all my settings in the description! Hope will work for you too Chris ! Thx for the kind words too buddy ❤️
I'm curious as to why you don't add motion to your sim wouldn't that be ultimate Emerson
I’m thinking about it Mario. That must happens at some point
@@chepilevski SFX-100!!!
"Expirience sex first hand" 🤔🤔🤔
Naw you say it that way sounds different 😂😂😂😂
I´ve always wondered if VR damages your eyes
I've noticed more eye fatigue with my 49 inch ultrawide vs VR, not sure on the long term damage though. Good thought.
Erik , I’m wandering too mate ! I’m 43 years old and use VR last 3 years daily! On that age people start having problems but for me still 0 damage! I truly hope is fine !
I really have motion sickness problem in VR(was on Oculus Rift-S). Have you never got the similar issue? if yes how to resolve?
It is possible to overcome this for sure Hui ! One of my friends who is not Sim racer but every week is messing here with my rig had huge problem in the beginning! But I start letting him drive only flat tracks like SPA for example! I asked him to stop every time he felt even slide amount of motion sickness for 5-10 min and then again! After few weeks he was able to drive the most aggressive tracks without feeling anything! Take a track like spa and drive 1-2 laps and stop for 10 minutes and do that for few days and your brain will adapt! Remember, never ever push yourself trough the motion sickness because your brain will create survival instinct and will get worse and worse! Just step by step !
@@chepilevski That was very helpful insight! I see you are using Valve index. Is it the best on the market for sim racing? Or have you tried others such as Oculus Rift-S?
Hui Jin Rift S vs Index is like different generation! Index is the best right now overal ! Rift S is best value! If you can afford Index is the best from many points of view!
@@chepilevski Thank you. I got bad experience on Rift-S not to mention it is out of stock and I got mine for $600 lol. I will move on to Index.
Hui Jin make sure you have fluid FPS, with the index you have 80-90-120-144 hz and whatever sim you gonna fire up first make sure you have the proper graphics options which can run as butter ! Then take it one step at the time and as I said never over push yourself over the limit! Let your brain understand is all ok with your system and in 0 time you will forget about those butterflies in your stomach!
are those monitors 27 inch or 32 inch?
Those here on that video are iiayma 24.5 inch 1080p buddy! The latest videos are on 32 inch curved iiayma!
@@chepilevski thanks! Which size do you think is best? I keep hearing that people prefer 27” over 32” for triples. I’m hoping to put together a rig this season!
@@merrick51 honestly I never had 27 inch and I moved from 24.5 to 32 and I have to say I love it ! I guess if you go 32 you definitely need 1440p and in 27 you can get away in 1080p !
Hey, I’m using Samsung Odyssey+ atm and it has 110 deg fov, which makes it feel a bit as if I’m sitting with a divers mask. The Index have 130 deg fov I think and I’m wondering what you think of it? Also in rally maybe fov isn’t as important as in road racing?
Index FOV is not exactly 130 ! It depends how close you can bring the lease to your eyes and in my case because of the shape of my face I can have probably 120 bud the big difference is on the vertical fov ware you don’t see the edges of the screen up and down and that really takes you of ,of that dive mask feeling! After I used my Index for 2 months I tested the Rift S and it felt very claustrophobic!
@@chepilevski thanks! I'm looking at upgrading my VR to an Index, OR my Fanatec CSL Elite wheel to Simucube 2 Pro. I can't do both... Any ideas for which one is the best to spend my money on? New VR or new wheel?
Jonas Norberg well , hard decision man , I can tell you what I personally will do but that doesn’t mean is right or wrong choice! Both choices are great jump ! You have to really ask yourself only!
@@chepilevski I think I'll go with the wheel, but a Simucube 2 Pro isn't easy to get by now because the CV situation has hit production.
Jonas Norberg I think that was going to be my decision too ! If you have never experienced VR I was going to VR is best upgrade ever for me in gaming but ones you already taste that going from CSL to SC2 is huge jump ! Hope they have it soon available!
Hi, what monitors are you using my friend?
Iiayma 24.5 inch 75hz 1080p 1mls buddy
@@chepilevski Oh wow, they look much bigger than 24.5 inch. What made you decide on that particular screen size. I have two spare 24 inch 1080p panels and the cheaper option for me would be to purchase one additional screen. I also have a HP Reverb so could have the best of both worlds but I was looking to upgrade to triple 32 inch panels.
Zeeshan Khan well , that will be up to you but ones you are in VR going to triple and spend a fortune for 32inch you must be sure you like it ! I put 24.5 just because is not my main option for racing and I just wanted to do videos from time to time ! Well 24.5 is not the ideal for sure and I believe 27 is the sweet spot mate !
For me only VR in the last 3 years.... I won’t ever return to flat screens and yes I had for 4 years triple screen.... VR plus 4DOF motion is simracing heaven.... faster and more consistent .
I know exactly what you mean Incan feel you brother 😁
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I can not participate normal life with this shit. Im stick at tve triple monitor stil!