Understanding Hungry Like The Wolf
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Duran Duran is good, I will die on this hill.
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The '80s were a weird time for rock music, and we're kinda still trying to figure out how to think about it. Was it corny? Was it good? Or was it both? And the thing is, it was definitely both. There's plenty of good examples of incredible rock music that came out in the '80s, but the songs that stood the test of time have mostly done so by avoiding many of the cliches of the era. But what about the songs that are '80s to the core and yet still rule? Well, if you're looking for that, then we're gonna have to talk about Duran Duran.
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Some additional thoughts/corrections:
1) Typically, when talking about musicians, I refer to them by their full name the first time, then use their last name for the rest of the video. That's my preferred style guide on these sorts of things, but since three of the band members have the last name Taylor (despite, as far as I can tell, not being related?) I've chosen to refer to them by their first names instead to avoid confusion.
2) The very first bar of the bass part does have an extra note before where I started playing it. I chose to not mention that because it complicates the example without actually affecting my point, but I wanted to acknowledge it somewhere.
3) The synth stem also had the backing vocals, so I had to cut those out with Izotope, which is why parts of the chorus synth line sound a bit muted. That's where those vocals came in, and it couldn't fully reconstruct what the synth would sound like without them.
4) Technically I should've called the chorus D chord a _non-functional_ secondary dominant because it doesn't resolve, but I am falling asleep merely typing this clarification so imagine how bored I'd be having to say those words out loud.
"It's not a specific lick." *draws The Lick*
(I knew that's what it was from Adam Neely's "The Lick" shirt)
I only say this cuz you made a comment about it.. But the sequenced synth part does in fact repeat notes. It hits the same note twice in a row three times.
The 3 Taylors in Duran Duran are all unrelated. Roger Taylor (drums) is also unrelated to Queen's drummer...also named Roger Taylor.
I found it interesting that the guitar riff seems to have the same rhythm as Get it On by T-Rex, which Andy Taylor later covered with Niles Rodgers and Robert Palmer in the Power Station.
New Romantics did love 70s glam rock though so makes sense that the influence would be referenced in their music
@@shonkyindustries It's *similar*, but definitely not the same.
If I had a nickel for every time a mid-late 20th Century British rock band had a drummer named Roger Taylor, I would have two nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
I still can’t believe the two Alan Whites aren’t related.
A double up of Mick Jones as well. I have a friend that used to be A&R for Atlantic that told me a story about bringing Foreigner's Mick to a meet and greet at a record store in the early 80's only to find out that no one had promoted it and after a fan approached Mick and asked him who the celebrity that was going to be there was and receiving the reply "Mick Jones! I love The Clash!". He decided he'd had enough and left.
Actually you'd have 3.
Because as it turns out, Roger Taylor is also the name of the drummer in that band who's songs include Photograph, Rockstar, and How You Remind Me.
And if I'm wrong about that....I will have to ask you to hand...over the...um, coin I gave you.
I'm so sorry everyone.
I had to.
And yes, I do regret it.
You're all good people. You deserve better.
This is even better knowing that Phineas and Ferb is coming back
@@avedic Damnit, fooled me
Thank you for defending 80's music. Everyone writes the era off for the shallowness of many mainstream acts. Artists like Paul Simon, Talking Heads, Depeche Mode, Roxy Music, XTC, Peter Gabriel and numerous others created some of their most interesting work during that decade. And many were represented on mainstream radio. I can't recall a more varied or eclectic period of popular music.
I love these videos on classics because as a young person I don't really know most of these songs by name, so I just vibe with the videos until the moment when I realize "OH, THAT'S WHAT THIS SONG IS!"
I love Duran Duran. I always thought they had interesting chord changes and modulations. They still do. Great stuff.
Who knew that Duran Duran’s songwriting was so complex? This explanation was pretty eye-opening to me. The key change from a semi-vague E-major to a mostly unrelated C-major was something I’d never noticed before. Bizarre. Honestly, it’s kind of amazing that this song works, at all. But it’s definitely one of Duran Duran’s most recognizable tracks, so it did work, somehow.
Early Gen X'er here and love that you covered this. In my opinion Duran Duran were absolutely betrayed by their good looks. Many wrote them off as just a "Pretty Boy Band" but this song and "Rio" should put that firmly to rest. I dabble in bass guitar and the bass line for "Rio" shows John Taylor can hang with the best. As a ballad "Save a Prayer" is still at the top of my list as well.
John's bass line on Skin Trade is so killer
@@twistedviewlabs John’s bass on almost everything is awesome.
Agreed, JT's heart throb status kept too many people from recognizing his bass brilliance.
Fascinating to me to hear you describe the 70's as the revival and the 80's as the period when it all went off; when i was growing up, it was the late 70's, most especially the disco period, that was talked about as the blemish on the face of music, while it was the hippy and art rock of the late 60's and early 70's that everyone hearkened back to. I think it just goes to show that what you love and what you revile often has less to do with objective quality and more to do with the ideas and aesthetics you want to associate yourself with.
Similarly, in college i remember learning that the terms "middle ages" and "medieval" came from renaissance and post renaissance historians who wanted to associate themselves with rome, and just saw the medieval period as a dead space in between, while medieval historians were looking to associate themselves back to what they saw as biblical times, and...
I'm loving the dive into the 80s you're taking, and I hope you're able to check out what Genesis was up to with Phil in the driver's seat. There's some really cool stuff going on from Duke to Invisible Touch worth looking at.
Thanks for all the cool videos!
Duran Duran: Hey, here's a cool song we wrote for the reasons that we like it.
12tone, 40 years later: Here's 20 minutes of me putting way too much thought into a cool song from the 80s
Duran Duran: Simon, did you think of any of that? No? Nick? You neither? John? Roger? Other guy named Taylor? You think of ANY of this? No?
I’m hungry like a wolf for 12tone content awoooooooooo!
I love how the left to right , left handed illustration somehow help my comprehension of the songs
Thankyou for this wonderful breakdown... 'Arena' is in my top 10 albums of all time (I was a teenager when this came out) so hats-off to you sir.
Also, I love your use of 'Ha'l when depicting 'lack of alignment' at 10:42🤣... chef's kiss.
And throwing some physics in too 20:13 ... two chef's kisses!
Duran Duran’s first three albums give away that Duran Duran was really a New Romantic-Funk band. Why I love their music then and now so much.
Thump on John Taylor. Thump on.
The 80s: _Lived ‘em. Loved ‘em. Miss ‘em._
Wolf was a welcome dance rock tune that addressed a need in 1982 as DIsco had "died", yet the world still wanted and needed songs to dance to in clubland. So, of course, I own the 12".
That occasional bass pop during the chorus. That's the juice.🎸
This is the best UA-cam channel of all time! Great work dude seriously
Duran Duran are slap in the middle of my teen years. I'm a huge fan of them and pretty much all other 80's anything. As you are right, the 80's rocks in all the ways. (And it pains me that it's now 40 years ago, and I "sound old" with my sentiments)
Now, I'm off to go find the track!
I listen to this even though I don't know anything about the mechanics of music. I was an enormous Duran Duran fan in the 80s. I was also a fan of lots of great 80s music that is actually heard being sampled and replayed now as if it was super popular then- like the Cure which was definitely college, underground music at the time. Anyway, I'm just here to say that the eighties wasn't just between the 70s in the 90s. The eighties was an amazingly innovative time in music and deserves its own space in music history. This is coming from a music appreciator, but definitely not someone with a lot of knowledge about the mechanics of music.
Thank you so much for this. You nailed me with that B flat in the chorus. I am one of those people that never knew that was there.There are so many other great ideas you present as well. Oh, and the idea that we can actually hear the original stems nowadays never gets old.
Wasn't there at the time, but St. Elmo's Fire is the most 80's sounding song I've ever heard
I'm wearing a Duran Duran tee shirt today...and this showed up on my feed.
When I was a teen I had Duran Duran posters all over my bedroom walls.
“Because 80’s music is a lot of things, subtle isn’t one of them.” And that right there is exactly why when I would listen or watch the video to this song I would instantly turn down the volume so my
Mom wouldn’t here.
But in my gym class I still remember we’d work out to the song Physical by Olivia Newton John. Did they really not know, or did the teachers think us kids were that stupid? I will never know the truth.
Thank you for touching on the Bb in the chorus that all chord sheets miss for some weird reason.
The guitar riff is very Bolan-esque (Get It On). Andy has said so himself.
Never used to hear it in the full mix, but this really leapt out in the isolated track.
I was born in the 80's, but by the end of it, I was only... six years old, and my parents weren't big into a lot of 80's rock and all of that. Since becoming an adult, I've delved back into the music of the 80s, and yes. It is glorious, and I love it. The wild abandon of it is just so much fun.
The 80's kicked ass ! I was there and it was a great time to be alive.
!!! This is by FAR your best song analysis yet !!! Great subject, insightful, and hilariously honest when the band gets into WTF territory! Awesome video! Thanks so much for doing what you do!
I will defend that hill with you! I've loved them ever since I saw them in 1982 as a warm up band. In the early days you could actually hear their playing and it was magical. Once the mania took hold you couldn't hear anything. Great video - really illuminating.
Could you take a look at the iPod Anthem, sporting event nostalgia, and circus energy of “Jerk it Out” by Caesars?
man I love Duran Duran's sound, and 80s music in general, so much.
The more I hear of them the more I love it.
John Taylor is a frickin' genius
What is always so creative about bands that write and arrange their own music is the personalization each month member of the band gives to the artwork. Duran Duran were masters at this and its what makes their music so great. Simon's lyrical writing was so poetic in the 80s. His writing has changed since and so has the bands arrangements which are still enjoyable but fore there is something incomparable to their 80s work.
So at the end of the first line in the chorus, the guitar and bass are on Bb, the keyboard is holding down an A for a Bbmaj7, and Simon is singing … an E?
Mind … blown …
Seriously enjoyed this. It is an iconic 80s song and fascinating to see it broken down at such length.
That emphasis of the word wolf was genius. Nice analysis.
this is my second favourite rock song with wolf in the title
I love this analysis. The chorus line at 14:20 that you attribute to synth is almost certainly guitar with fuzz and a little modulation effect of some sort to make it sound fat and synthy (in my opinion.)
Min 20: the D seems odd, but makes more sense in that instead of going to the flat VII of Cmajor, it’s going to the FlatVII of Emajor, (using as transition back to e for the verses)
I heard that sentiment from a lot of rockers, that the 80’s was a “lost decade.” But among the metal community the decade is more appreciated. A lot of the greatest metal ever made is from that era.
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Thanks for the definition of foreshadowing.
I like how you completely over analyse music in such a poetic way.
This is amazing! Very cool analysis. After 40 years of loving this song, I have a totally new appreciation. And yes, Duran Duran are an amazing, brilliant band to this day. Why is that? Well, I have to agree with one thing you said... I blame Nick Rhodes.
Hey guys, sorry. I thought there is a commentary option in the channel info area, but there isn't (at least not any more).
I'd love to have space child by U.F.O. analyzed by you. It may be boring in terms of unique features, but boiiii does it evoke emotions. Considering the age of the band at the time of recording it is a really great piece. I find myself going back to it. And i feel the solo is pretty good to talk about emotional qualities and such. Cheers
The 80s get too much hate, especially because of how cool New Wave was. Oingo Boingo alone is a reason to love the 80s
Oingo Boingo is one of the best band names ever.
@@TheRealPrimeOne The old name was even better, The Mystic Knight's of Oingo Boingo
I've never been a big fan of Duran Duran, or this song in particular. But I must admit, this musical analysis does make it more interesting to me, and makes me want to go back and listen to it again, with the analysis in mind.
While it may not have been a big hit, I'd like to see an analysis of Peter Gabriel's Red Rain. I love that song, but it often seems to be overshadowed by the other big songs on the album. Or you could analyze the deep cut We Do What We're Told from the same album, because I imagine almost nobody thinks about that song.
I would love you have you examine SHADOWS ON YOUR SIDE by DD from Seven and the Ragged Tiger.
i can only ever _almost_ follow along, and this video is no different, but, as they say, i like your funny words magic man and oh my god im only a quarter of the way into this
Cute and not subtle.
Dunno why but this description makes me smile.
"Hungry Like The Wolf" is not the most 80s song ever, but it might be the peak of New Wave!
Interesting analysis (of an 80s song I completely missed. I can’t say I remember ever hearing it? Duran Duran was a band I only ever heard of by the name and the occasional poster)
Also, DISCORD appearance. 🐐 🐉 🐴 (I saw that)
Every time I hear this song I think of the lady, Diane Downs, that shot her 3 kids, killing one and paralyzing another. This song was playing during the shooting, and it was played in the court room, and her reaction to it was part of what got her found guilty.
I'm a huge DD fan and at 53 still want to have John Taylor's babies...I think that you may be over thinking things...it's just a late 70's band, playing every note they know as fast and as hard as they know. Oh, and Roger is using two hands to play with his instrument.
I'll join you on your hill. They were great.
It hits the same note twice in a row three times. The sequenced keyboard part from the beginning.
When you said “Roger Taylor’s Drums” I had to Google to check that Queens drummer didn’t have this hit to his name
SAME
More interesting than I expected. Although I doubt the band thought through that Bb chord with an A in the melody too much.
the eighties also gave us some great heavy metal albums that still live a good life.
I recon you should do some more metal songs, I recon 'before I forget' would be awsome
I think you're missing something in the original guitar riff interpretation... I think it's not in E so much as it's in A, and what you're missing is the 4-3-1 notes part of the riff, I think is actually signaling an underlying chord change to an A Chord(1-7-5) outlining an A power chord, with a 7 thrown in. So instead of just sitting on E major, it's actually E, to A, or V chord to I chord, then the do do doo part becomes IV - V - I when it introduces the D. My back up to this is in the Verse the Bass hangs mostly on E, but does resolve to A during that riff, with the E and the A happening during the riff also outlining the A power chord. and the vocal part over it becomes the 1-7-1-2(playing around the root) With that also the jump up a minor 3rd in keys also makes more sense than a jump up a minor 6th.
And... having just gone and watched the video... I'm now wondering "who" the wolf is...
I think it's the Ladies featured, not the Band - especially with the scratches on Le Bon's face (And the whole video is wild, in both senses!) implying he's the prey.
Layers eh? Yet more disorientation. Love it!
She was the hunter, she ambushed him. Now he's back, going after her. That's how I took it.
By the way, DD did the dramatic table toss thing 30 years ahead of it's time
I've been trying to defend the 80's to my rock and metalhead friends for the longest time. It's as rich as any of the other eras of rock and metal and clearly an answer and counter culture to everything that was being done before and after.
What? I had never heard anyone say 80s music was bad... to the contrary. Must be the circles I was raised around.
This is one of my go to Karaoke songs which I used to sing back in the day when friends and I would go weekly for Karaoke (and spoiler alert one of those friends became my wife)
LOL...I remember back in the day...when I discovered the woman moaning at the end...that was my favorite part, and when I recorded it from album to cassette to play in my car..I would slowly turn the gain up so that you could hear her plainly till there just was no more sound.
This and the Reflex were big parts of my 80's days....(and of course it had to be the long 12" version of the Reflex).
80s music is the best. Anyone who can't appreciate that is missing out on a great decade.
“While 80s music is a lot of things, subtle isn’t one of them.”
Duran Duran is absolutely awesome I 100% agree.
By the way I was listening to the song after you pointed out the F/Bb fiasco and I'm pretty sure that, while the rest of the instruments switch to Bb, the sequenced synth y'know the one that's jumping around, yeah to my ears it sounds like it stays on F. That's probably where the confusion comes from, cuz I had also been hearing two bars of F my whole life lol
Great Video! Love to see some Duran on here!:)
One small question: to me the tag vocal line does not feel like triplets, but more like a tresillio pattern, what do you think?
I just had that record out last week to play. But it is not something I would play like very often.
Survivor's eye of the tiger .
Can you please do an analysis of this over also?
Could we please get one for we built this city?
This or Sara (by the same band), which is IMO one of the most iconic 80's ballads.
Omg, thanks
If I could have I would have duraned Duran
This provides a great argument for why classical music theory is really, really bad for analyzing a lot of contemporary music.
Not to mention all of the bands that came out in the '70s ended up releasing some of their best work in the '80s.
I too am an '80s fan out of time.
Such as?
I was thinking the opposite. Although many made more money in the 80s
If it's worth anything, I always heard that Bb bass run (I never tried to learn or transcribe the song though)
Please make a video about silence. Thank you.
17:00 - Re: the new key... David Bennett just did a whole vid on chromatic mediants, and this would seem like a great place to point out that the move from Emaj to Cmaj is basically that. Right?
I don't know what you mean, as a metal head, the 80s was the prime time
Call me Al, in my opinion, is the most 80s song. It has synth, fretless bass, world music elements and a celebrity guest in the video.
Alright, I don't wanna be this guy; especially since this vid is 6 months old, but you missed that the intro guitar part as basically being "Bang a Gong" by T-Rex.
I'm fairly confident in saying that Andy Taylor was not trying to copy the Charleston Rhythm as much as he was trying to copy the part that Miller Anderson played on Bang a Gong. It's a basic guitar part that most guitar players of his age would have been taught/learned.
I just noticed you are left handed. Do you have any insight as to how this effects you as a video producer who primarily films their hand drawing pictures to convey their moment to moment thoughts?
80s music slaps, it's what got me into the 70s. Journey (though I personally prefer 70s Journey), Tears for Fears, Phil Collins, Genesis, U2, Huey Lewis, and Duran Duran is no exception.
(Of course I didn't list all the '80s greats, but that's a pretty good sample size)
"The most 80s song" is White Lines by Melle Mel
More seriously, I think the bass guitar is sharp or the lead guitar is flat. It never bothered me, but it's... there.
Yes! Vindication! I've been playing the chorus correctly! Bass!
Wait a minute there are two English drummers names roger Taylor? For a second I thought queen’s roger Taylor was also playing for Duran Duran
It’s the most mysterious song on the internet. That’s the only correct answer.
This is FANTASTIC! The 80s is too easily, too often, and completely erroneously written off as a decade of "bad music," especially rock. Wrong. Dig in, folks, the 80s has some outstanding musical gold to mine, including on the rock front. Others have commented here already that bands like Duran Duran might be pushed aside because of their looks and image, and while that's understandable given the conventional view of that decade's culture, it's shallow. Sure, the 80s are when MTV exploded and changed the way music was distributed, so the videos and image construction did what they did. In addition to Duran Duran -- and acknowleding at the outset that whatever I list will contain a tiny fraction of the great bands that recorded and performed in that decade -- we heard and saw incredible work from: Rush, Tears For Fears, The Cars, Blondie, The Police, U2, REM, AC/DC, Metallica, Simple Minds, ZZ Top, Van Halen, The Cure, The Bangles, Joan Jett, Talking Heads, Yes, The J. Geils Band, The Ramones, Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers, Pat Benetar, The Pretenders...and on and on. And those are just the names that come from the top of my head because they were well-known; step down a tier into the lesser-known bands and there are some incredible innovators in there. Add the artists who crossed genres but gave us some great rock music -- Prince, Michael Jackson (yes, some of his songs are truly rock gems), Run DMZ, and so on.
Rock on, friends!
I don't know anyone who said the 80s is known as the decade of "bad music". Quite the opposite actually as most people consider it the golden age of modern music with so much experimentation, numerous genres crossing over into the mainstream and producing hit songs, where both older cats (from the 60s and early 70s) and new ones where having hits left and right and where melody and originality ruled the airwaves. You could not make it in the music world in the 80s if you did not sound different than everyone else. Also pop music was filled with complexity in melodic and musical layering, sound design, studio engineering innovations, virtuosos on every instrument but without sacrificing strong melodies in the song. The 90s were actually a dumbing down of music unfortunately where a lot of complexity was thrown in the garbage and 4 chord songs and rawness became the norm. Attention to detail was not as important and the grunge era and alternative music were more like the punk movement of the 70s and while it was still good it greatly suffered in the later decades. Nowadays everyone sounds the same and boring! By the way grunge, hip hop and alternative music which ruled the 90s started in the 80s!
Classic song!
1) 80s music > 70s music. 2) Bold to call this a rock song. 3) John Taylor is amazing and underrated.
Andy's apeing TRex there at the start.
I still think there's not a Bb chord in the 4th bar of the chorus. I hear the Bb note, but it's not a Bb chord. The F chord remains with a Bb decoration in the guitar and bass.
I ate all my Duran Durans, cos I was hungry... like a wolfs!
Great work. How about something by The Fixx? =)
Dude, I play this song and I didn't know any of that
Wait, the synth line is supposed to be random? Did they sample it for a period of time and loop that segment? Is it different every time they play it? Now I want to see a distribution plot . . .
I thought it was just the arp in a Jupiter-8 set to random.
I mean Duran x2 says 80s, but no song says 80s to me more than relax. Frankie goes to Hollywood. But I was also a metalhead in the 80s, still am, but for me the 80s was testament, overkill, anthrax, slayer, exodus, and megadeth.
Could you break down Alive by Pearl Jam it's one of my favorite songs and has one of the best riffs ever
Please pause, you leave no time to think, I like people to add to my perspetive not to wipe it out.