My dad used to work in Subic back in the 80's and so we had access to this station. It was awesome especially Saturday mornings with all the cartoons! My classmates would always wonder how I knew the plots to most shows even before they got on local Philippine tv! ha! Aaaah... memories! Thanks FEN!
My family and I lived in Manila in the late '80s. FEN was such a great provider of American content, especially sports. Great job, guys!.....and thanks.
Yep I do miss FEN; much of my TV entertainment during my elementary school years (1986-1991) were spent watching FEN-P. And yes, I can still remember the guys over at FEN Newsource, har har.
Channels 14 (Subic) and 17 (Clark) were shut down in 1991 due to the eruption of Mount Pinatubo. For the Southern Broadcasting Network (SBN), the only way to bring back programmings from both stations was establish Channel 21 in Metro Manila. But Channel 34 (San Miguel) survived the shut down by handing over its governance to ABS-CBN in the next decade. DWFA (Bataan) and DWFE (Olongapo/Subic) have the same frequency of 1512 khz up to this day. DWRW-FM 95.1 (formerly Far East 95.1) is the only station that serves all of Central Luzon up to this day.
I grew up at Clark AFB and Subic Naval Base my father worked for FEN at both locations from 1979 through 1984. I remember this distinctly. Thanks for the memories.
+TheTacticalRhino I lived in Subic from 1972-1974 and from 1987 to 1994. You're right...people in the "States" would have a hard time understanding the life we led in the Philippines
After US troops left the Philippines and Clark Air Base was handed over to the government in 1991, Far East Network was closed down and its stations were sold to Filipino owners. Channel 34 in Bulacan became an ABS-CBN relay station for Channel 46 in Pampanga.
@identchannel Yes it was. One had to have a satellite dish to be able to catch AFN-Philippines (unless you lived on Clark or Subic). Though I'd lived in Las Pinas, my uncle had one so we were able to watch this channel. Ahh, the memories. Thanks blogger for sharing this vid.
nuon kapag nasa Las Pinas ka at may UHF antenna sa bubong nung 80s para sa free US channel.......mayaman , ganun dati ....malakas cool factor , minsan nakikinuod pa para lang ma-update sa latest shows kase wala pang internet nung early 90s. (:
I remember one sleepless night living in base housing at Clark. I got up, sat down in the living room to watch a Celtics game. Too late and I was just in time to watch the the FEN sign-off as they play the Philippines national anthem. Looked over to my right and some filipino had his face pressed up against window right by my head. I screamed like a little girl. I yelled "WHAT THE HELL". He says he's a neighborhood security guard and "was just was watching the game". Poddy security at its best
I was stationed at Subic in this period and I remember watching these weird videos like F-14 Tomcats taking off from aircraft carriers, firing missiles and submarines surfacing and also firing missiles (you get the theme of these videos...) to Michael Jackson's Beat It. And they played this horrid siren all the time, it is permanently etched in my memory. Anyway, thank you for posting this!
@mac17601 FEN went off the air when US Forces left the country in 1992. They were on various channels depending on which US facility you were at. A revised Status Of Forces Agreement (after Mt. Pinatubo) between Richard Armitage (USA) and Raúl Manglapus (RP) was vetoed by the Philippine Senate and President Cory Aquino was forced to order the Americans to leave.
@identchannel: yes it was real...it was the Armed Forces Radio and Television Service. Provided television and radio coverage for the U.S. Bases in the Philippines prior to thier closure in 1992.
Too bad AFRTS does not release some old shows on youtube or the internet for historical purposes. I had no idea FEN existed before now. I even fond one CPN clip from the Marshall islands. Now all we have is AFN, everything is syndicated live from the states with almost no local content. Even the weather is broadcasted through commercial breaks from the AFN weather center. I think AFN lost a lot of magic from the old FEN era.
US anthem lyrics: O say can you see, by the dawn's early light, What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming, Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight, O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming? And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air, Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there; O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave? Philippine anthem lyrics: Bayang magiliw, Perlas ng silanganan, Alab ng puso Sa dibdib mo'y buhay. Lupang hinirang, Duyan ka ng magiting, Sa manlulupig Di ka pasisiil. Sa dagat at bundok, Sa simoy at sa langit mong bughaw, May dilag ang tula At awit sa paglayang minamahal. Ang kislap ng watawat mo'y Tagumpay na nagniningning; Ang bituin at araw niya, Kailan pa ma'y di magdidilim. Lupa ng araw, ng luwalhati't pagsinta, Buhay ay langit sa piling mo; Aming ligaya na 'pag may mang-aapi, Ang mamatay nang dahil sa 'yo.
FEN Philippines on TV 14 had quite a somehow vague history and all of it was still shrouded in mystery, all we know is that AFRS (later AFRTS) first brought it on the air in 1954, months or a year after DZAQ TV 3 of ABS inaugurated as the first TV station in the country in 1953.
FEN Philippines Signs OFF at 12:57 AM. 0:01 FEN Philippines Station ID 0:11 FEN Philippines 2007 Station Notice (Sign OFF Version) 1:25 Lupang Hinirang by Concert Robero (2007 Version) 3:53 EIA Color Bars 3:55 FEN Philippines Logo Copyright 2007 - Jemine Broadcasting Corporation
Before SBN 21 provided Filipinos international entertainment, there was FEN Philippines on Channel 17 (Channel 50 in Metro Manila) during the 80s and early 90s. Beaming from the Clark Air Base in Subic, Zambales and managed by the Armed Forces Radio and Television Service, this TV station which originally catered to the American audiences stationed there has also provided the Filipinos with US entertainment, news and information albeit to only those who can received a clear signal from this TV Network. Sadly it went off the air during the Pinatubo eruption and it was finally put into rest when the American army and navy have to leave the Clark Air Base after the Philippine government didn't renew the Military Base Agreement in 1991.
We never had this in Cebu but growing up in the 90s all networks aired American TV shows, sitcoms and movies regularly then it dwindled in the late 90s early 2000s with more local shows taking over.
@exgipias In the 1970s, it was known as AFPN (American Forces Philippine Network). The station was the Det 1, 6204th Broadcasting Squadron. When I returned to the RP in 1984, the 6204th had been renamed as Det 5, AFPBS (Air Force Pacific Broadcasting Squadron, headquartered at Yokota AB, Japan. Thus our on-air name was changed from AFPN to FEN
I remember this, Back then I woke up early and sing the star spangled banner because i had to memorize it because an american donor will come to visit our school so we practiced it...
Is this station part of what is (or maybe used to be - I am not sure) FEBA - The Far East Broadcasting Association? I have heard SW transmissions from FEBA to the Philippines... anyone?
HBC101TV Studios Philippines uses Japanese ISDB-T (Integrated Services for Digital Broadcasting Terrestrial) / Brazilian SBTVD-T (Sistema Brasileiro Televisão Digital Terrestre) or ISDB-Tb (in US DTV frequency 6 MHz spacing) and also Philippines uses Taiwanese/European DVB-C/C2 (Digital Video Broadcasting Cable) for Digital cable in US 6 MHz CADTV frequency. US and South Korea uses ATSC.
I guess this from 1981. As a US military channel in the Philippines, they played the Star Spangled Banner (🇺🇲) and Lupang Hinirang (🇵🇭), which the latter is my country. Btw, I'm from Legazpi.
Excuse me, may I know what channel is FEN and its callsign here in the Philippines? Also, I heard that this network was succeded by SBN 21 (now TalkTV on SBN 21)
The 95.1 frequency in Pampanga was later used by RadioWorld Broadcasting Corporation in 1995 by the Laus Group family, which was also a sister FM station of CLTV 36 in 2007, the year that I was born. The latter FM station was started a community radio station for the victims of the Mt Pinatubo eruption in 1991, later it was turned as a fully wedged entertainment FM station.
It was broadcast, mainly, for U.S. forces and their families. Star Spangled Banner was always played first, followed by the anthem of the host country.
The person doing the voice over is my dad😁 Msgt John Lambert❤❤❤ Thank you so much for posting this!
He has a nice, sweet voice. It's relaxing, and good for the ears. 😊
Keep this comment up at the top folks- its historic.
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I heard your Dad every night in the 80s! Lived there 82-87.
Thanks!😊
My dad used to work in Subic back in the 80's and so we had access to this station. It was awesome especially Saturday mornings with all the cartoons! My classmates would always wonder how I knew the plots to most shows even before they got on local Philippine tv! ha! Aaaah... memories! Thanks FEN!
My family and I lived in Manila in the late '80s. FEN was such a great provider of American content, especially sports. Great job, guys!.....and thanks.
having this channel way back in the 80s was a real treat, brings back memories of my younger years,
Yep I do miss FEN; much of my TV entertainment during my elementary school years (1986-1991) were spent watching FEN-P. And yes, I can still remember the guys over at FEN Newsource, har har.
Channels 14 (Subic) and 17 (Clark) were shut down in 1991 due to the eruption of Mount Pinatubo. For the Southern Broadcasting Network (SBN), the only way to bring back programmings from both stations was establish Channel 21 in Metro Manila. But Channel 34 (San Miguel) survived the shut down by handing over its governance to ABS-CBN in the next decade. DWFA (Bataan) and DWFE (Olongapo/Subic) have the same frequency of 1512 khz up to this day. DWRW-FM 95.1 (formerly Far East 95.1) is the only station that serves all of Central Luzon up to this day.
I grew up at Clark AFB and Subic Naval Base my father worked for FEN at both locations from 1979 through 1984. I remember this distinctly. Thanks for the memories.
I bet our fathers knew each other, see if he remembers John Lambert if you are able to :)
This brings me back to we hen I lived in Subic from 87 to 92 I remember coming back to the states and people talking about shows I never heard of.
+TheTacticalRhino I lived in Subic from 1972-1974 and from 1987 to 1994. You're right...people in the "States" would have a hard time understanding the life we led in the Philippines
After US troops left the Philippines and Clark Air Base was handed over to the government in 1991, Far East Network was closed down and its stations were sold to Filipino owners.
Channel 34 in Bulacan became an ABS-CBN relay station for Channel 46 in Pampanga.
@identchannel Yes it was. One had to have a satellite dish to be able to catch AFN-Philippines (unless you lived on Clark or Subic). Though I'd lived in Las Pinas, my uncle had one so we were able to watch this channel. Ahh, the memories. Thanks blogger for sharing this vid.
nuon kapag nasa Las Pinas ka at may UHF antenna sa bubong nung 80s para sa free US channel.......mayaman , ganun dati ....malakas cool factor , minsan nakikinuod pa para lang ma-update sa latest shows kase wala pang internet nung early 90s. (:
I remember one sleepless night living in base housing at Clark. I got up, sat down in the living room to watch a Celtics game. Too late and I was just in time to watch the the FEN sign-off as they play the Philippines national anthem. Looked over to my right and some filipino had his face pressed up against window right by my head. I screamed like a little girl. I yelled "WHAT THE HELL". He says he's a neighborhood security guard and "was just was watching the game". Poddy security at its best
Hahaha. That's some good memories..
Ars you on US now?
Wow that was Eleven Years ago! I wonder where He is now...
dang. imagine going to my room, turning on my tv (it was tuned to ABC all day when it was off.) and ABC signed off at 2 o clock in morning time
@@angieroxy755016 years
I was stationed at Subic in this period and I remember watching these weird videos like F-14 Tomcats taking off from aircraft carriers, firing missiles and submarines surfacing and also firing missiles (you get the theme of these videos...) to Michael Jackson's Beat It. And they played this horrid siren all the time, it is permanently etched in my memory. Anyway, thank you for posting this!
@mac17601 FEN went off the air when US Forces left the country in 1992. They were on various channels depending on which US facility you were at. A revised Status Of Forces Agreement (after Mt. Pinatubo) between Richard Armitage (USA) and Raúl Manglapus (RP) was vetoed by the Philippine Senate and President Cory Aquino was forced to order the Americans to leave.
I like the music that's being played during the sign-off announcement. It's very soothing and relaxing!
Joseph Pratt that is ' I Can't Help It' by Grover Washington Jr.
Thank you. I heard the song on UA-cam this morning. It sounded great!
3:55 "Skippin'" by Ramsey Lewis (taken from the album "TEQUILA MOCKINGBIRD") (1977)
@@joshua.duque.sarmiento1115 Thank you! Been looking for this song all these years!
@@Lovejazz01 Thank you! Been looking for this song all these years!
This is what my country's TV sign off in the 1980s the Philippines ;) I almost cried
@identchannel: yes it was real...it was the Armed Forces Radio and Television Service. Provided television and radio coverage for the U.S. Bases in the Philippines prior to thier closure in 1992.
I used to watch the WWF SATURDAY NIGHT'S MAIN EVENT in this channel! And also the wonder years .......plus the SUPER FRIENDS!!! memories....... =(
1:29 usa national anthem
2:47 philippines national anthem
Two national anthems for the price of one! Thanks for posting.
@TrueCourse
From the mid-'80s onwards, just a UHF antenna on top of a tall pole and a booster.
I used to stop on uhf-tv channel 34 program guide just to listen to Paul Hardcastle's Rainforest playing in the background.
Too bad AFRTS does not release some old shows on youtube or the internet for historical purposes. I had no idea FEN existed before now. I even fond one CPN clip from the Marshall islands. Now all we have is AFN, everything is syndicated live from the states with almost no local content. Even the weather is broadcasted through commercial breaks from the AFN weather center. I think AFN lost a lot of magic from the old FEN era.
i miss fen in philippines
Thanks for uploading this clip.
01:30 What? US Army Band SSB (Used mainly by WNBC 4 NYC and WNAC-TV 7 Boston Mass.) with simple slides?
Usa National Anthem 1:25 🇺🇸
Philippine National Anthem 2:47 🇵🇭
US anthem lyrics:
O say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
Philippine anthem lyrics:
Bayang magiliw,
Perlas ng silanganan,
Alab ng puso
Sa dibdib mo'y buhay.
Lupang hinirang,
Duyan ka ng magiting,
Sa manlulupig
Di ka pasisiil.
Sa dagat at bundok,
Sa simoy at sa langit mong bughaw,
May dilag ang tula
At awit sa paglayang minamahal.
Ang kislap ng watawat mo'y
Tagumpay na nagniningning;
Ang bituin at araw niya,
Kailan pa ma'y di magdidilim.
Lupa ng araw, ng luwalhati't pagsinta,
Buhay ay langit sa piling mo;
Aming ligaya na 'pag may mang-aapi,
Ang mamatay nang dahil sa 'yo.
2:47 Respect from Indonesia
1:25 US Anthem
2:50 Philippines Anthem
Thank you for posting.
This brings back memories when we were stationed at Subic Bay
Lupang Hinirang Music Video (From June 12, 1980-June 12, 1985)
FEN Philippines on TV 14 had quite a somehow vague history and all of it was still shrouded in mystery, all we know is that AFRS (later AFRTS) first brought it on the air in 1954, months or a year after DZAQ TV 3 of ABS inaugurated as the first TV station in the country in 1953.
FEN Philippines Signs OFF at 12:57 AM.
0:01 FEN Philippines Station ID
0:11 FEN Philippines 2007 Station Notice (Sign OFF Version)
1:25 Lupang Hinirang by Concert Robero (2007 Version)
3:53 EIA Color Bars
3:55 FEN Philippines Logo
Copyright 2007 - Jemine Broadcasting Corporation
What music was that in the end with the logo in the last few seconds of this video
BGM during the sign off notice is a saxophone version of Michael Jackson's "I Can't Help It".
It's a music track by grover washington jr 🤗
Before SBN 21 provided Filipinos international entertainment, there was FEN Philippines on Channel 17 (Channel 50 in Metro Manila) during the 80s and early 90s.
Beaming from the Clark Air Base in Subic, Zambales and managed by the Armed Forces Radio and Television Service, this TV station which originally catered to the American audiences stationed there has also provided the Filipinos with US entertainment, news and information albeit to only those who can received a clear signal from this TV Network. Sadly it went off the air during the Pinatubo eruption and it was finally put into rest when the American army and navy have to leave the Clark Air Base after the Philippine government didn't renew the Military Base Agreement in 1991.
We never had this in Cebu but growing up in the 90s all networks aired American TV shows, sitcoms and movies regularly then it dwindled in the late 90s early 2000s with more local shows taking over.
The 1980's aesthetics is just mesmerizing to watch.
@exgipias In the 1970s, it was known as AFPN (American Forces Philippine Network). The station was the Det 1, 6204th Broadcasting Squadron. When I returned to the RP in 1984, the 6204th had been renamed as Det 5, AFPBS (Air Force Pacific Broadcasting Squadron, headquartered at Yokota AB, Japan. Thus our on-air name was changed from AFPN to FEN
There... That explains a lot..
FEN Philippines is Sign-on at 7:00 AM and Sign-off at 1:00 AM.
14 hours ago FEN Philippines & United States of America in 1985 sign-off tonight. Last week in the Philippines in 1999.
YEAR OF 2010🔥
YEAR USA & PHILIPPINES 🔥
4-3
🤓
The distortion gives it a Local 58 vibe, damn.
Thought I was the only one who got Local 58 vibes.
Every country always has national anthems on their tv Sign off in the old days now it's just commercials:(
Some countries play anthems at the end of brodcasting.
I remember this,
Back then I woke up early and sing the star spangled banner because i had to memorize it because an american donor will come to visit our school so we practiced it...
Is this station part of what is (or maybe used to be - I am not sure) FEBA - The Far East Broadcasting Association? I have heard SW transmissions from FEBA to the Philippines... anyone?
im a proud filipino
The flag @3:24 has initials which must be very different in meaning in the Philippines than in the U.S.
Philippines: Katipunan
USA: Ku Klux Klan
I love how an NTSC color hues. That's why people are referring NTSC to as "Never Twice the Same Color".
HBC101TV Studios
Philippines uses Japanese ISDB-T (Integrated Services for Digital Broadcasting Terrestrial) / Brazilian SBTVD-T (Sistema Brasileiro Televisão Digital Terrestre) or ISDB-Tb (in US DTV frequency 6 MHz spacing) and also Philippines uses Taiwanese/European DVB-C/C2 (Digital Video Broadcasting Cable) for Digital cable in US 6 MHz CADTV frequency.
US and South Korea uses ATSC.
Fen Philippines channel not cease broadcast how?
1:30 USA
2:48 PH
Recorded from 1991
I guess this from 1981.
As a US military channel in the Philippines, they played the Star Spangled Banner (🇺🇲) and Lupang Hinirang (🇵🇭), which the latter is my country.
Btw, I'm from Legazpi.
Thanks I live In The Philippines And Born In America
Excuse me, may I know what channel is FEN and its callsign here in the Philippines? Also, I heard that this network was succeded by SBN 21 (now TalkTV on SBN 21)
mac17601 World TV/SBN (now Independent on SBN 21)
so,this network was shut down in 1992.
I see this is about the fifth variation to feature the Army "SSB."
@TrueCourse, c Mike Adalid yun San Miguel, Iligan Ctiy
Luzon:
FEN-68 Manila
TV-8 Bulakan
TV-5 Baro
TV-22 Santiago
TV-5 Isabela
TV-29 Water
TV-9 Westsoon
TV-8 Abra
TV-29 Agusan
TV-35 Beach
TV-39 Dagupan
TV-6 Bulacan
TV-7 Tarlac
TV-17 Bataan
TV-10 Aurora
TV-23 Benguet
TV-20 Quirino
TV-10 Ilocos Sur
TV-5 Misamis
TV-7 Norton
TV-51 Nueva Ecija
TV-4 Baguio
TV-9 Benguet of Water
TV-15 Balay-Balay
TV-49 Oroquieta
TV-36 Boracay
TV-50 Pasay
TV-27 Essguera
TV-24 Baler
TV-57 Hermosa
TV-4 Biliran
Visayas:
TV-15 Romlon
TV-60 Iloilo
TV-16 Roxas
TV-20 Tacloban
TV-26 Oriental
TV-57 Therapeutic of Taro
TV-62 Jalaris
TV-34 Lorenz
TV-6 Subic
TV-23 Jatanda
TV-26 Fen
TV-58 Julih
TV-5 Balet
TV-7 Fillet
TV-29 Bayan
TV-36 Dumaguete
TV-29 Sipalay
TV-12 Bohol
TV-9 Bacolod
Mindanao:
TV-6 Diragmi
TV-37 Bahay
TV-39 Mountain
TV-38 House of Beach
TV-26 Caloocan
TV-24 Malabon
TV-27 Substation of Davao
TV-10 Naomi
TV-5 Pagadian
TV-59 Davao
TV-18 Ozamiz
TV-40 Guimaras
TV-58 Cagayan de Oro
TV-32 General Santos
TV-17 Zamboanga
TV-17 Cotabato
TV-38 Jolo
3:55 FINAL FEN PHILIPPINES BUMPER!!!
Joshua Duque Sarmiento RAMSEY LEWIS - SKIPPIN
@@FrancisLitanofficialJAPINOY Ok I got that one now!!! That's from the album "Tequila Mockingbird" (1977).
On the first, that's"I Can't Help It" by Grover Washington Jr., which is played back during the sign off notice of FEN PH. (0:12)
The NBA on FEN Philippines (Bird and Magic era).
until 1990 NBA Finals to be broadcast on FEN Philippines..
ang ganda ng video ng national anthem!
Seen Via Satellite in Over 67 Stations Nationwide!
Disney's Magic English
Philippine National Anthem 2:47 🇵🇭
What TV channel FEN is in the Philippines? Ah! oh OK Channel 17 in Clark Air Base... What would that be in Cebu City?
Anong title ng song sa 3:55?
I don’t know also I don’t speak Tagalog
That's 'Skipping' by the late Ramsey Lewis 😁 one of my fave jazz music 🎶
@@jordspilapil thanks for the info. Love it! ❤
2 national anthems in the same channel?!
yea, since fen is american and its operated in the philippines
THANK YOU FOR
TUNING TO
F E N
0:11
Thanks AFRTS
FEN Philippines
on Free TV Channel 68
Radio FEN
on Radio AM 848 KHz
on Radio FM 89.1 MHz
Is this when 18C or its just 19C bc that USA anthem is there
r.i.p fen tv
mga kababayan, awitin nating ang ating pambansang awit
I see they used the U.S. Army Band "SSB" here.
1980's Philippines TV program sign off in 11:30 PM
I remember!
what channel is this?
thanks for 100000 views of this video
eh nasa Hope Radio yan sa Iligan yung Music daw
Rhod Mykel ua-cam.com/video/J_ofQBSlSz4/v-deo.html
Also that music was also used in DZRB 738 kHz.
Pangarap Kong Jackpot on DZAQ-TV Channel 2 and DZXL-TV Channel 4 Premiere on June 1, 1970 Monday to Friday 8:30 pm
AFRTS PHILIPPINES, AND JAPAN
Pretty good!
3:56 - What Title of this Music?
Sorry if it's a little bit late, but I just found out today that the track is called "Skippin'" by Ramsey Lewis. :)
is this the final sign off??
Duol Shake Show Battle Kids Ch 12 Bulacan Ch 5 Cebu 1985
Is this lost media?
extinct na po ito?
Opo. Matagal na
Yes, in 1991
Us and Philippines created fen.
Sign On Good Morning
0:13 this music is so city pop
I Shazmed it, couldn’t find the original song 😢
I Shazmed it, couldn’t find the original song 😢
That’s jose p rizal is our section
Hindi ko rin inabutan yan
Wala sana China incursions into the country if the US bases were still around. Yea, Head Bangers!!!
We end
ph and america!
2:48 lupang hinirang
Good Night Sign Off
The 95.1 frequency in Pampanga was later used by RadioWorld Broadcasting Corporation in 1995 by the Laus Group family, which was also a sister FM station of CLTV 36 in 2007, the year that I was born.
The latter FM station was started a community radio station for the victims of the Mt Pinatubo eruption in 1991, later it was turned as a fully wedged entertainment FM station.
Grover Washington, Jr.
why is USA national anthem? :O
It was broadcast, mainly, for U.S. forces and their families. Star Spangled Banner was always played first, followed by the anthem of the host country.
@@gladfan1989 Here I am with my other account. They did that in Saudi Arabia too.
0:11
UFC LEADS EPL AND TENNIS, BY NIELSEN?!
2:47
Grover Washington, Jr. !!!!