I really love how Garrus is like a mirror for Shepard to look into. If you're a paragon player, he mirrors your decisions. As a renegade, he agrees with that "ruthless calculus." Great character.
Jane the lagger Aye Garrus is a Renegade but you can show him the ways of a paragon, he will resist at first in Mass Effect one but he starts to come around
lagger jane Garrus is more of an apprentice to Shepard. He questions you a lot in ME1 but he listens to your answers and tries to understand them. Likewise his time as Archangel was him trying to follow Shepard's example. When that failed, he went back to Shepard. He is Shepard's younger brother.
Actually that's a reason why the character design is quite bad in these scenarios. If they answer the same both ways it completely removes their identity. Mordin is the only character in the entire game to assess his own actions regardless of the fact that you are Shepard. Even if you convince him to not cure the genophage, he doesn't do so because you're Shepard so you would know whats best. He does so because he truly thinks that Salarian aid for the catalyst would be instrumental as well as leadership of the krogan under Wreav would be extremely detrimental. This gives Mordin actual character identity and he's not just going to go along with what you say or do just because you're the protagonist or hero. You can make decisions and some characters will either like or dislike it but they will never attempt to question you on it further. If I sabotaged the genophage and killed Mordin, I wouldn't want Garrus to react with a "you did what you had to do" attitude, when in the curing of the genophage he believes you made the right decision and is even grateful for it because he is good friends with Wrex.
In short, I don't want Garrus to be a reflection of the person I have already been playing as the entire time, you specifically need him to be someone who can provide a second opinion to you. That's what you ideally need from all of the characters. Some of them may agree with your decisions and some of them may not but they need to at least be consistent about it in both playthroughs. Otherwise, renegade is just "ends justify the means" and everyone agrees with you or paragon is "we can't sacrifice our humanity in the process" and everyone agrees with that.
Cure the kroggs only if Wrex and Eve are alive.Wreav is too unstable and dangerous. I had no idea in ME1 that by saving one krogan I was saving their entire race.
@@steelbear2063 no, but Wrex can raise the new generation to actually think about the consequences of over population to make sure they don't make the same mistakes as their ancestors.
Wrex and Eve are the hope for the Krogan. In ME 1 Wrex says he has given up on his race, but when a cure pops up, rationality goes out the airlock. Wrex can help direct Krogan aggression into something positive for the galaxy, instead of just being one massive war machine. Bakara on the other hand can reign in Wrex’s impulsive nature. Add into the fact that she is the voice of the female clans, they may do the reverse of Quarians when I comes to children. Encourage their population for having fewer kids, and threats of these laws are broken. While two Krogan may not do much, they lay the ground work for future generations.
@@1rotzy Pretty sure two people are not enough to change the very brutal ways and hatred ingrained in all currently living krogans. I chose to cure the krogan in my run because I saw how powerful they could be against the reapers. But then, I chose the "control ending" because return to normalcy "destruction ending" would guaranty another awful krogan war in the next 40 years, and green ending just feels absolutely wrong x) So I just keep the reapers around to "regulate" a galaxy otherwise fucked by all the crap I had to do in order to win the war. Guess I got Indoctrinated without even noticing it.
I love how Garrus is the only one Shepard tells about him sabotaging the Genophage and being forced to kill Wrex in self-defence. The reason Garrus doesn't get upset with Shepard is because, while Wrex was a friend to him, Shepard is more or less a brother. He knew Shepard wouldn't have done it if there was no other way. He understands the choices and consequences of said choices that come out of war.
@@orkiso1 Or you let both the Quarians and Geth live in harmony which they do if you choose to save them and have enough Paragon and you stated in Talis trial in ME2 not to go to war with the Geth. I choose to save the Krogan because I will not judge a species by the mistakes of their ancestors.
@@TheKypps I saved the Krogan because I wanted to give them at least a chance. But part of the problem with Krogan is a biological one. They just breed so fast that they inevitably run out of their own resources and turn outward. It may be an insurmountable biological hurdle, but I reasoned that they should at least get a chance to overcome it.
@@JB-xl2jc With Wrex's leadership, they will overcome it. It has been said over and over that Wrex realises Krogans have lost their sight on what is worth fighting for, and have made it clear he ain't up for more wars. Wreav is the blood thirsty mongrel that would throw the krogans back into the pit of damnation.
Not just that, to get this scene you have to shoot Mordin then watch a cutscene of him crawling to try and stop the sabotage. Felt so guilty on my first renegade playthrough
Its that moment that angers me so much about the ending, about the game in general. That was one of those rare moments in gaming where I actually had to sit and contemplate what I should do going forward. I actually weighed my options. Betray wrex, get the added support of the salarians, or put one friendship over the galaxy. I decided to betray wrex, but when it came time to shoot mordin, I just couldn't do it. I literally couldn't pull the trigger....and then you get the salarians help anyway, and it didn't matter regardless, because the game is ended by a space child and a giant microphone...Damn this game.
I’m playing full Renegade and this was my first time killing Mordin, sabotaging the genophage etc. And I love how Shepard keeps getting haunted by their bad decisions. Everyone keeps hounding Shepard about “I don’t know how you got the Salarians on board” or “it’s a real shame about what happened to Mordin.” And Shepard’s dialogue is just “haha yeah well...” *nervous sweating*
It really speaks to the strength of their connection (in all runs, not just romance, friendship, renegade, paragon etc) that Garrus is the one character who never judges Shep. You can argue whether or not that's a good ir bad thing from a friend, but it does make him my very definition of a ride-or-die character.
Well Garrus likely was taught about the Krogan Rebellions and how devastating they were to the Turian population. He likely went to memorials as part of his tour where the scars of the Krogan attacks still exist and realize that banking on the goodwill of a leader who authority banks on his ability to get the Genophage cured against all odds is a suicidal move.
My favorite asshole thing to do right after getting Tali to kill herself and letting the Geth "evolve" just to kill them later with the crucible. win win win, right?
I disagree, the krogan are more effective as ground troops, if you played your cards right in me1 and 2 you would still get salarian support from captain kyrahee despite the delatrass having a fit over the krogan being cured
This might have been the best story in a game I have played ever. It's sad that the BioWare that made it, no longer exists. Though I would still pay 60 bucks to play again as Shepard along Miranda and Garrus no matter how shitty a game it would be... That's how much I miss it.
all the adventures that we went on together. The funny elevator rides, the deep discussions about our past and future, the battles, the banter, upgrading squad members and checking in on them after missions. That is why I love the ME series. My number 1 fav series tied with the elder scrolls series
People have said that the krogan are being self destructive and not trying hard enough to have kids- after all, the genophage just brought the birth rate down to 2.1, or pre-industrial levels. What these people forget is that the genophage doesn't affect the number of eggs they produce it affects the nervous system of all developing feti. Imagine trying to have a child, but not only having miscarriages, but each one of them being born into the world lacking the upper part of their brain, or with severe neurocognitive retardation. For reference, it would be like having 999 births with microcephaly, except much more horrific.
@@Legendendear It was the middle of a war. It's also important to note that whilst the Salarians created it, it's the Turians who deployed it. The Citadel records in the DLC shows a Salarian being pushed to the side by Turians spreading the sickness on Tuchanka. It's possible the genophage was a prototype when it was deployed. Thus the terrible effect.
First time i played Eve died so i did stop the cure, but i didnt planed it and i watched this clip 4 times and all 4 times i get chill when i heard did Mordin just go along with it (pause) damn war! So hard.... He knew!
Stuff like this is why I love mass effect so much more then other rpgs not only does it let you pick your own actions but it also shows you those actions all the way to the end and no matter how you play the game your always gonna have a great story because of it
Even with the ending controversy, this game is still a absolutely phenominal peice of work. I love the tension when the betrayel of Mordin lies between them, and shepard obviously cant justify it. Powerful writing right there..
One of the scenes I kept a backup save for. This shit hurts. The other backup save was for Zaeed and Garrus planning out how to make your apartment into a death trap for intruders. The bathtub trap is genius.
@FreedomPLMarcin If Wrex is alive (from ME1) then he finds out about the sabotage and you are forced to kill him .. the Krogan are then thrown into disarray and you have no Krogan help. If Wrex is not alive (i.e. his brother Wreav is in charge), he never finds out the truth, and you still get Krogan support.
Thats why Garrus was the best character:the fact that Shepard even can admit the truth to him without any judgement makes him true best friend.What Shepard did was really bad yet Garrus stayed loyal to him.Their friendship is deep👌
You know, at first I thought people were overhyping the characters and the acting in ME3. Now I see all the really good stuff was hidden in the Renegade path. I was full Paragon.
This is why you play Paragade or Renagon. Yeah you wont get to make TIM take the easy way out but it's fun to mix it up. Not everyone is solely pure or solely focused on the job and nothing else so playing as a mix of both personality's is more fun to me.
The reason why Garrus is pretty much Shepard's bro and the secondary leader of the Normandy crew is because he understands Shepard's actions more than anyone else can. Garrus is the definition of a loyal squadmate.
SymbiSpidey i agree with you to a point. Garrus would've been pissed about betraying both Mordin and Wrex. Garrus was a realist and knew the genophage had to end. But I think he and Shepard are bro's and that might just be why Garrus would've let that slide btu I would've liked it better if they had Garrus tell him point blank that what he did was f***ed
theQuestion626 It's explained already in the scene. Garrus is in the same situation, making that call for his own people. "If you asked me a few years ago I'd say you paid too much", yet Sheperd is doing it for the entire Galaxy, not one race or the other. You can't not understand that - And Garrus has been with you for three games and seen these decisions being made - Garrus learns from you - he gets it. There is going to be sacrifice, one way or the other. He clearly accepted it without any impact on their friendship. War forces these decisions. Damn war.
0:51 "Wouldn't have anything to do with Wrex jumping you at the Citadel, would it? Heard he was pretty angry." He says the end of this line with a bit of cold sarcasm. I thought that Garrus had become at least good friends with Wrex... Here, he doesn't sound like he mourns Wrex. Or am I wrong?
I know I am late, but I will answer anyway. I don´t think that Garrus "likes" Wrex tbh. He certainly respects Wrex, both for his honor and his courage, but you can constantly hear him worrying about the krogan expansion throughout the game. He clearly sees the krogan as a threat, including Wrex, so I don´t think he was that upset about how it ended, aside from the fact that most of the krogan war assets got called off because of it.
@@jirkazalabak1514 Building off what you said, I think a lot of people sometimes forget the relations the other races had _long_ before humanity was even on the scene. The genophage, for example, was deployed in 710 CE, and humanity didn't join the galactic community until 2157 CE. So there was 1,447 _years_ of embitterment on both sides. And the Krogan, who can live for over a thousand years, can seriously hold a grudge. Garrus is smart, cool, and calculated. Even when his team on Omega was utterly destroyed, he didn't let his emotions - his anger and sorrow - get in the way. Whether this is indicative of how all Turians operate is difficult to say, but given the circumstances surrounding Wrex's death (what with the entire galaxy at stake), I think it's easy enough to understand Garrus' cooled reaction.
@@hamsterdoom360 Agreed, Garrus is not one to let feelings cloud his judgement. As far as other turians are concerned, I would guess that their long and mandatory military service makes them much more stoic and disciplined than other species, but of course, most are not as calm and calculated as Garrus is. I mean, when you look at his personality, Garrus is much more of a renegade than most people seem to realize. Whenever he is asked about a problem, he approaches it like a renegade would, at least most of the time. He even mentions that if there was any chance to not cure the krogan, he would´ve taken it.
The Ruthless calculus of war. Say whatever you want about ME3 but it captures the hopeless march of the Reapers perfectly by reminding you of the things you had to do, the decisions you had to make. Who do you support? Who do you let die? The first play through still sticks to me.
Why this is recommended to me now 8 years after I played thru the game like 4 times with 4 different characters. Never had this conversation and it just had me teary eyed.
The first time you lie to Garrus, the confrontation with Wrex and this scene here are imo good enough reasons to sabotage the cure. Playing a remorseful Paragon Shepard after doing it still makes them a monster, but the quality of writing and drama it brings I feel can't be passed up.
This is why Garrus is truly Shepard's dearest friend always has his back no matter what. His character was just perfect and the best companion and friend you can have within the Mass Effect series.
The fact that shepard silence made garrus understand what shepard did, and garrus still didn't blame shepard for it, but he blamed war and the whole situation, dude cares a lot and can't believe shepard is just evil
Garrus knew a long time ago that the war with the reapers would be brutal and that there was gonna be a lot of hard choices he accepted every call Shepard was going to make because he knows what it’s like to give orders that will get his men killed. Shepard gave an order that got Wrex and Mordin killed he can’t judge Shepard on it because he might’ve made the same call and it doesn’t matter to him that Shepard pulled the trigger on both of them because he would have done the same thing. Remember if Shepard doesn’t shoot Ashley Garrus will.
Except Garrus never stared down a barrel by one of his own men because he chose to remove a threatening criminal over something they have a personal stake in that can never be recovered
I did a pure Paragon playthrough and then a pure Renegade playthrough. Honestly hard to feel sympathy for the Krogan -- if you save them without Wrex in your campaign, sure you've secured Krogan forces for Earth, but Wreav takes the reigns and spends the rest of the game sermonizing about marshalling new Krogan from all over in a revenge animus after the Reapers are dealt with. Shephard made a fair point when Wrex confronts him in the Citadel that not all Krogan are like Wrex and they just aren't ready for a cure. They really are conquest worshipping, savage people... Securing Krogan loyalty was synchronously guaranteeing yet another future war with their now revitalized populace, Wreav basically makes a promise of it. All of the Krogan's woes are biproducts of their own incessant war-mongering. Despite their grudge against the galaxy, they honestly do it to themselves. Act like a dog, don't be surprised when people put you on a leash. Only thing about the genophage sab choice that bummed me out second time around was capping Mordin.
Apparently most players believe that just 2 krogan are enough to stop the bloodthirsty behavior krogan have demonstrated throughout their entire history. In game, sure I'll do wrex a solid. But if this was real life there is no way in hell I'd cure the genophage.
You can convince Mordin to sabotage the genophage. I think it’s a renegade dialogue option, he sees that Wreave is too chaotic and bloodthirsty, and will work on the crucible instead.
Historically, yes that was the definition. However according to the OED the currently accepted primary definition is "kill, destroy, or remove a large proportion of:" - and not simply 1 in 10.
I also like to add that it's really awesome how really deep the Shepard and Garrett race ship really goes down and you can say their best of friends.... my favorite is romance Tali zorah as a male Shepard and having you as my best friend and I always pick him in the last battle... seeing my best friend Garris holding white girl Tali telling me that she already found her home always tears me up inside
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Garrus: "Did Mordin just go along with it...?"
And then silence.
Shit, dude...
"Damn war."
@@Benoski893 And I can still only hear
"Damn whore".
@@zimnylech527 I'm Garrus Vakarian, and this is my rekt em.
There is a choice for you to make him go along with it lol.
@@Brehmstorm1 *WOAH*
The fact Shepard could come clean to Garrus really shows how deep their friendship is. Garrus truly is Shepard's best friend.
You know the saying there is no Shepard without the Vakarian
he was mine too, the feels
Bro’s before hoes
@@nathandurrence134 not if your fem-show, then he’s both
@@iluvSchleeping a broho if you will.
I really love how Garrus is like a mirror for Shepard to look into. If you're a paragon player, he mirrors your decisions. As a renegade, he agrees with that "ruthless calculus." Great character.
Jane the lagger Aye Garrus is a Renegade but you can show him the ways of a paragon, he will resist at first in Mass Effect one but he starts to come around
lagger jane Garrus is more of an apprentice to Shepard. He questions you a lot in ME1 but he listens to your answers and tries to understand them.
Likewise his time as Archangel was him trying to follow Shepard's example. When that failed, he went back to Shepard.
He is Shepard's younger brother.
after this dialogue I just realized how great as character he is, the best fellow you can ask for
Actually that's a reason why the character design is quite bad in these scenarios. If they answer the same both ways it completely removes their identity. Mordin is the only character in the entire game to assess his own actions regardless of the fact that you are Shepard. Even if you convince him to not cure the genophage, he doesn't do so because you're Shepard so you would know whats best. He does so because he truly thinks that Salarian aid for the catalyst would be instrumental as well as leadership of the krogan under Wreav would be extremely detrimental. This gives Mordin actual character identity and he's not just going to go along with what you say or do just because you're the protagonist or hero. You can make decisions and some characters will either like or dislike it but they will never attempt to question you on it further. If I sabotaged the genophage and killed Mordin, I wouldn't want Garrus to react with a "you did what you had to do" attitude, when in the curing of the genophage he believes you made the right decision and is even grateful for it because he is good friends with Wrex.
In short, I don't want Garrus to be a reflection of the person I have already been playing as the entire time, you specifically need him to be someone who can provide a second opinion to you. That's what you ideally need from all of the characters. Some of them may agree with your decisions and some of them may not but they need to at least be consistent about it in both playthroughs. Otherwise, renegade is just "ends justify the means" and everyone agrees with you or paragon is "we can't sacrifice our humanity in the process" and everyone agrees with that.
Cure the kroggs only if Wrex and Eve are alive.Wreav is too unstable and dangerous.
I had no idea in ME1 that by saving one krogan I was saving their entire race.
Two krogans can't change the fact that krogans breed fast and run out of space and resources.
Жаль нельзя сделать что-то среднее, типа не излечить генофаг, а снизить его эффект
@@steelbear2063 no, but Wrex can raise the new generation to actually think about the consequences of over population to make sure they don't make the same mistakes as their ancestors.
Wrex and Eve are the hope for the Krogan.
In ME 1 Wrex says he has given up on his race, but when a cure pops up, rationality goes out the airlock. Wrex can help direct Krogan aggression into something positive for the galaxy, instead of just being one massive war machine.
Bakara on the other hand can reign in Wrex’s impulsive nature. Add into the fact that she is the voice of the female clans, they may do the reverse of Quarians when I comes to children. Encourage their population for having fewer kids, and threats of these laws are broken.
While two Krogan may not do much, they lay the ground work for future generations.
@@1rotzy Pretty sure two people are not enough to change the very brutal ways and hatred ingrained in all currently living krogans. I chose to cure the krogan in my run because I saw how powerful they could be against the reapers. But then, I chose the "control ending" because return to normalcy "destruction ending" would guaranty another awful krogan war in the next 40 years, and green ending just feels absolutely wrong x)
So I just keep the reapers around to "regulate" a galaxy otherwise fucked by all the crap I had to do in order to win the war. Guess I got Indoctrinated without even noticing it.
Gamerpoop ruined that "Damn War" line.
Totally worth it though lol.
And the "it was tight"
Are you ready to be aaaa woman?
I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite rectum
@@arklaw8306 NOOOO!!
*music commercial break*
Yeah, I heard him wrong to lol. I always cure the genophage thats why I never have this scene.
Garrus: How do you live with yourself, Shepard? Shepard: Steak, Garrus. I think about when there's so much steak. I f*cking love steak.
Are you ready to be a woman?
That's hilarious.
@@Nabekukka NO!
*Technical difficulties*
@@Nabekukka I'm Garrus Vakarian and THIS is my rectum
@@UnrealHighlights oh shit!
I love how Garrus is the only one Shepard tells about him sabotaging the Genophage and being forced to kill Wrex in self-defence. The reason Garrus doesn't get upset with Shepard is because, while Wrex was a friend to him, Shepard is more or less a brother. He knew Shepard wouldn't have done it if there was no other way. He understands the choices and consequences of said choices that come out of war.
rinraiden Sure but if you let the Geth wipe out the Quarians, he is NOT for that
Except, there 100% is, ANOTHER way, lol
@@orkiso1 Or you let both the Quarians and Geth live in harmony which they do if you choose to save them and have enough Paragon and you stated in Talis trial in ME2 not to go to war with the Geth. I choose to save the Krogan because I will not judge a species by the mistakes of their ancestors.
@@TheKypps I saved the Krogan because I wanted to give them at least a chance. But part of the problem with Krogan is a biological one. They just breed so fast that they inevitably run out of their own resources and turn outward. It may be an insurmountable biological hurdle, but I reasoned that they should at least get a chance to overcome it.
@@JB-xl2jc With Wrex's leadership, they will overcome it. It has been said over and over that Wrex realises Krogans have lost their sight on what is worth fighting for, and have made it clear he ain't up for more wars. Wreav is the blood thirsty mongrel that would throw the krogans back into the pit of damnation.
This is one of the scenes I could never get because I just couldn’t sacrifice Wrex and his people like that
You and me both
Same, just watching this just pains me :(
Not just that, to get this scene you have to shoot Mordin then watch a cutscene of him crawling to try and stop the sabotage. Felt so guilty on my first renegade playthrough
Its that moment that angers me so much about the ending, about the game in general. That was one of those rare moments in gaming where I actually had to sit and contemplate what I should do going forward. I actually weighed my options. Betray wrex, get the added support of the salarians, or put one friendship over the galaxy. I decided to betray wrex, but when it came time to shoot mordin, I just couldn't do it. I literally couldn't pull the trigger....and then you get the salarians help anyway, and it didn't matter regardless, because the game is ended by a space child and a giant microphone...Damn this game.
If it was Wreav in charge, I'd make the call for sabotage. With Wreks there was hope, and the Salarians were c*nts
I’m playing full Renegade and this was my first time killing Mordin, sabotaging the genophage etc. And I love how Shepard keeps getting haunted by their bad decisions. Everyone keeps hounding Shepard about “I don’t know how you got the Salarians on board” or “it’s a real shame about what happened to Mordin.” And Shepard’s dialogue is just “haha yeah well...” *nervous sweating*
This scene. Like a punch in the gut.
GODDAMN YOU MANS1AY3R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm Garrus Vakarian and this is my rectum!
It was tight.
Drinking Garrus juice was your lifelong dream
Are you ready to be a...woman?
Oh that’s nasty
Oh man... Garrus is the best written character in the whole thing.
Oh my god. I love the heaviness of this conversation. It's so harsh and fits the mood for ME3 perfectly.
It really speaks to the strength of their connection (in all runs, not just romance, friendship, renegade, paragon etc) that Garrus is the one character who never judges Shep. You can argue whether or not that's a good ir bad thing from a friend, but it does make him my very definition of a ride-or-die character.
Well Garrus likely was taught about the Krogan Rebellions and how devastating they were to the Turian population. He likely went to memorials as part of his tour where the scars of the Krogan attacks still exist and realize that banking on the goodwill of a leader who authority banks on his ability to get the Genophage cured against all odds is a suicidal move.
Still imagine Garrus and Shepard in that bar together looking down as the stargazer tells a kid stories about the Shepard.
Man I miss Garrus, best character in the series. Makes me want to replay them
do it! i just finished a legendary edition playthrough and my feels got their asses kicked man 🤣
War, war never changes.
dogmeat?
Just like old times in Fallout.
None of this is good, Garrus. That's why it's called "war."
Men do, through the roads they walk.
"War...has changed."
Shepard: "OH SH!T!"
Garrus: "Are you ready to be a...woman?"
Shepard:" NOOO-"
*Gamer Poop is experiencing technical difficulties*
I'm Garrus Vakarian, and this is my rectum
@@Nabekukka OH SH!T! I could never bring myself to do that...
Another brainlet youtuber ruins something for everyone else. Take your references somewhere else.
"Damn war."
You mean "damn whore" ?
@Fidelity *AUDIENCE GROANS*
@Fidelity Damn right! Oooooowwwww!!
Garrus will always be Shepards most loyal lieutenant^^
My favorite asshole thing to do right after getting Tali to kill herself and letting the Geth "evolve" just to kill them later with the crucible.
win win win, right?
Whoa... levels of edge set to overdrive dude.
bulle7 Wtf is wrong with you?
lmao yeah I did that the first time thinking fuck the geth
Sacrificing the geth for the quarian is cucked as fuck. The quarians deserve to die.
Getting tali to kill herself? Nigga I’d fight you just for that alone, I’m serious lmao 😂
Everytime Mordin steps into that elevator with so much pride and conviction, I imagine a cape flying behind him.
It takes a very special kind of friendship, to always have your back no matter what. Man, I'm great.
This scene was one of my favourite.
Krogan over Salarian support any day of the week.
funnily enough it doesn't matter in the end because the salarians basically give the finger to their leaders and help anyway.
I disagree, the krogan are more effective as ground troops, if you played your cards right in me1 and 2 you would still get salarian support from captain kyrahee despite the delatrass having a fit over the krogan being cured
@@224224josh True, but you get a lot more help from them if you sabotage the cure.
I think i have played a match of for honor with you. Probs not but they had the same gamertag as your username.
You did.
This might have been the best story in a game I have played ever. It's sad that the BioWare that made it, no longer exists.
Though I would still pay 60 bucks to play again as Shepard along Miranda and Garrus no matter how shitty a game it would be... That's how much I miss it.
the end was really emotional...man i love ME3 even with that ending it was a kick ass game
all the adventures that we went on together. The funny elevator rides, the deep discussions about our past and future, the battles, the banter, upgrading squad members and checking in on them after missions. That is why I love the ME series. My number 1 fav series tied with the elder scrolls series
As a paragon, it’s upsetting to see how Shepard can influence Garrus like this just as easily as he influences him into doing good
People have said that the krogan are being self destructive and not trying hard enough to have kids- after all, the genophage just brought the birth rate down to 2.1, or pre-industrial levels. What these people forget is that the genophage doesn't affect the number of eggs they produce it affects the nervous system of all developing feti. Imagine trying to have a child, but not only having miscarriages, but each one of them being born into the world lacking the upper part of their brain, or with severe neurocognitive retardation. For reference, it would be like having 999 births with microcephaly, except much more horrific.
Yeah.
I wonder why the salarians couldn't figure out a genophage without miscarriages...
@@Legendendear It was the middle of a war. It's also important to note that whilst the Salarians created it, it's the Turians who deployed it. The Citadel records in the DLC shows a Salarian being pushed to the side by Turians spreading the sickness on Tuchanka.
It's possible the genophage was a prototype when it was deployed. Thus the terrible effect.
First time i played Eve died so i did stop the cure, but i didnt planed it and i watched this clip 4 times and all 4 times i get chill when i heard did Mordin just go along with it (pause) damn war! So hard.... He knew!
Stuff like this is why I love mass effect so much more then other rpgs not only does it let you pick your own actions but it also shows you those actions all the way to the end and no matter how you play the game your always gonna have a great story because of it
Even with the ending controversy, this game is still a absolutely phenominal peice of work.
I love the tension when the betrayel of Mordin lies between them, and shepard obviously cant justify it. Powerful writing right there..
My favorite moment of a renegade play through. Garrus, understanding without condoning or condemning. So heavy
Ohhhhhh! so this is where gamerpoop got it from XD
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One of the scenes I kept a backup save for. This shit hurts. The other backup save was for Zaeed and Garrus planning out how to make your apartment into a death trap for intruders. The bathtub trap is genius.
@FreedomPLMarcin If Wrex is alive (from ME1) then he finds out about the sabotage and you are forced to kill him .. the Krogan are then thrown into disarray and you have no Krogan help.
If Wrex is not alive (i.e. his brother Wreav is in charge), he never finds out the truth, and you still get Krogan support.
Thats why Garrus was the best character:the fact that Shepard even can admit the truth to him without any judgement makes him true best friend.What Shepard did was really bad yet Garrus stayed loyal to him.Their friendship is deep👌
The way Garrus just sighed and went "Damn war...." really struck hard
You know, at first I thought people were overhyping the characters and the acting in ME3. Now I see all the really good stuff was hidden in the Renegade path. I was full Paragon.
This is why you play Paragade or Renagon. Yeah you wont get to make TIM take the easy way out but it's fun to mix it up. Not everyone is solely pure or solely focused on the job and nothing else so playing as a mix of both personality's is more fun to me.
So many mass effect scenes make me cry, this is one of them.
Awesome, many thanks for uploading this! This scene really solidified my Shep/Garrus friendship.
An awesome scene I would never have seen otherwise. Thanks for posting.
anyone else think garrus should have been a little bit more upset about this?
probably loves Shep a little less for it, judging by Shep getting all crew through ME2 alive, if your Shep did that.
^Fair enough and a good point
The reason why Garrus is pretty much Shepard's bro and the secondary leader of the Normandy crew is because he understands Shepard's actions more than anyone else can. Garrus is the definition of a loyal squadmate.
SymbiSpidey i agree with you to a point. Garrus would've been pissed about betraying both Mordin and Wrex. Garrus was a realist and knew the genophage had to end. But I think he and Shepard are bro's and that might just be why Garrus would've let that slide btu I would've liked it better if they had Garrus tell him point blank that what he did was f***ed
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It's explained already in the scene. Garrus is in the same situation, making that call for his own people. "If you asked me a few years ago I'd say you paid too much", yet Sheperd is doing it for the entire Galaxy, not one race or the other. You can't not understand that - And Garrus has been with you for three games and seen these decisions being made - Garrus learns from you - he gets it. There is going to be sacrifice, one way or the other. He clearly accepted it without any impact on their friendship. War forces these decisions. Damn war.
This was honestly the best series
"Garrus, how do you integrate x^x?" "it's that ruthless calculus again"
OH DID HE JUST SAID "DAMN WAR"
OMFG SUDDEN REALIZATION AFTER MORE THAN A YEAR
0:51 "Wouldn't have anything to do with Wrex jumping you at the Citadel, would it? Heard he was pretty angry." He says the end of this line with a bit of cold sarcasm. I thought that Garrus had become at least good friends with Wrex... Here, he doesn't sound like he mourns Wrex. Or am I wrong?
He knows Shepard was upset over the killing, so did not want to put more blame on him I assume
He says it in a none confrontational way, the way you would talk to a child..knowing they did wrong..but right at the same time.
I know I am late, but I will answer anyway. I don´t think that Garrus "likes" Wrex tbh. He certainly respects Wrex, both for his honor and his courage, but you can constantly hear him worrying about the krogan expansion throughout the game. He clearly sees the krogan as a threat, including Wrex, so I don´t think he was that upset about how it ended, aside from the fact that most of the krogan war assets got called off because of it.
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Building off what you said, I think a lot of people sometimes forget the relations the other races had _long_ before humanity was even on the scene. The genophage, for example, was deployed in 710 CE, and humanity didn't join the galactic community until 2157 CE. So there was 1,447 _years_ of embitterment on both sides. And the Krogan, who can live for over a thousand years, can seriously hold a grudge.
Garrus is smart, cool, and calculated. Even when his team on Omega was utterly destroyed, he didn't let his emotions - his anger and sorrow - get in the way. Whether this is indicative of how all Turians operate is difficult to say, but given the circumstances surrounding Wrex's death (what with the entire galaxy at stake), I think it's easy enough to understand Garrus' cooled reaction.
@@hamsterdoom360 Agreed, Garrus is not one to let feelings cloud his judgement. As far as other turians are concerned, I would guess that their long and mandatory military service makes them much more stoic and disciplined than other species, but of course, most are not as calm and calculated as Garrus is. I mean, when you look at his personality, Garrus is much more of a renegade than most people seem to realize. Whenever he is asked about a problem, he approaches it like a renegade would, at least most of the time. He even mentions that if there was any chance to not cure the krogan, he would´ve taken it.
The Ruthless calculus of war. Say whatever you want about ME3 but it captures the hopeless march of the Reapers perfectly by reminding you of the things you had to do, the decisions you had to make. Who do you support? Who do you let die? The first play through still sticks to me.
1:20 Baiiiiiiiiii
I like that Garrus is the only one that Shepard can admit to sabotaging the cure. He truly is Shepard's right-hand man.
Why this is recommended to me now 8 years after I played thru the game like 4 times with 4 different characters. Never had this conversation and it just had me teary eyed.
That silence and the "Damn war." 💔
Damn, Garrus has got to have one of the coolest voices ice ever heard. Very smooth.
Regardless of the ending, it's the dialogue like this that truly made the game shine.
The first time you lie to Garrus, the confrontation with Wrex and this scene here are imo good enough reasons to sabotage the cure.
Playing a remorseful Paragon Shepard after doing it still makes them a monster, but the quality of writing and drama it brings I feel can't be passed up.
This is why Garrus is truly Shepard's dearest friend always has his back no matter what. His character was just perfect and the best companion and friend you can have within the Mass Effect series.
Thanks for uploading this! I lack the resolve to kill two friends so I'd never get to this dialogue myself... And Garrus' awesome as usual.
This is one of the best written scenes in the trilogy, change my mind
I’ve done 1 play through now as basic paragon Shepard and maxed war assets. So much stuff I missed out on. Oh well guess I’ll play it again
"Garrus... Legion is the one who interrupted your calibrations."
ME 1 Renegade: Bad Ass
ME 2 Renegade: Bad Person
ME 3 Renegade: Are you even human?
years later and Im having a hard time not crying lol
garrus is a friend... more than friend, a brother everybody needs..
The fact that shepard silence made garrus understand what shepard did, and garrus still didn't blame shepard for it, but he blamed war and the whole situation, dude cares a lot and can't believe shepard is just evil
Garrus knew a long time ago that the war with the reapers would be brutal and that there was gonna be a lot of hard choices he accepted every call Shepard was going to make because he knows what it’s like to give orders that will get his men killed. Shepard gave an order that got Wrex and Mordin killed he can’t judge Shepard on it because he might’ve made the same call and it doesn’t matter to him that Shepard pulled the trigger on both of them because he would have done the same thing. Remember if Shepard doesn’t shoot Ashley Garrus will.
Except Garrus never stared down a barrel by one of his own men because he chose to remove a threatening criminal over something they have a personal stake in that can never be recovered
Such a great moment
Thanks mate.
Garrus: "...damn ending!"
I did a pure Paragon playthrough and then a pure Renegade playthrough. Honestly hard to feel sympathy for the Krogan -- if you save them without Wrex in your campaign, sure you've secured Krogan forces for Earth, but Wreav takes the reigns and spends the rest of the game sermonizing about marshalling new Krogan from all over in a revenge animus after the Reapers are dealt with.
Shephard made a fair point when Wrex confronts him in the Citadel that not all Krogan are like Wrex and they just aren't ready for a cure. They really are conquest worshipping, savage people... Securing Krogan loyalty was synchronously guaranteeing yet another future war with their now revitalized populace, Wreav basically makes a promise of it. All of the Krogan's woes are biproducts of their own incessant war-mongering. Despite their grudge against the galaxy, they honestly do it to themselves. Act like a dog, don't be surprised when people put you on a leash. Only thing about the genophage sab choice that bummed me out second time around was capping Mordin.
Apparently most players believe that just 2 krogan are enough to stop the bloodthirsty behavior krogan have demonstrated throughout their entire history. In game, sure I'll do wrex a solid. But if this was real life there is no way in hell I'd cure the genophage.
Krogan are cool but they breed too fast. It was either the genophage or more krogan rebellions later on. I’ll take genophage
Garrus knows that if not for the reapers, Shepard wouldn't do those things
Oh thank you, that makes much more sense now.
God I can't wait for the remaster! And, the animations may look a little stiff, but I think the game aged pretty damn well
That’s why he’s the ultimate bro you didn’t even have to say it and he already knew
So this is the parallel universe I've been hearing about.
great scene .. had it too in one of my playtroughts ..
I like this reasoning, if someone gets in yout way, kill him/her, Mordin included, just fuckin' kill him; Garrus understands that
***** exactly, kill ONE to PROBABLY save MILLIONS??? Oh YES
The storytelling in ME3 is incredible.
Too bad that Garrus wasn't there to help Mordin with the calibrations.
You can convince Mordin to sabotage the genophage. I think it’s a renegade dialogue option, he sees that Wreave is too chaotic and bloodthirsty, and will work on the crucible instead.
Only if Wrex is dead would I truly pick that option.
AND NO STEPPING FORWARD!
Nobody knew that Wrex jumped me at the citadel because I blew him away and Commander Bailey covered it up for me.
I didn't get to see this because I cured the genophage, but this is a really powerful scene. Great voice acting.
I love how Garrus is still on your side, he understands your Renegade actions like it's nothing. GARRUS!! Such a fucking BRO!!!!
Garrus's loyalty to Shep is absolute.
Oh I see, now that makes sense to me. Thank pina ~~~
@SamusVSMC Agreed. I like that he's the only one you admit this to. He's the only crew member who would understand.
Garrus is easily Shepard's best friend. It's quite beautiful considering the history between Humans and Turians
Ashley: Ugh. I hate you.
Shepard: I hate you...
Ashley: Sir...butt pirate.
The voice acting in this game is godlike.
Garrus is such a bro. No matter what he is always on your side
most satisfying scene in the trilogy
Garrus is a real one. Didn’t yell, didn’t judge, just understood
Historically, yes that was the definition. However according to the OED the currently accepted primary definition is "kill, destroy, or remove a large proportion of:" - and not simply 1 in 10.
Damn if I was Garrus I'd be like: "Okay drop me off at the next landing zone, we're not friends anymore."
I also like to add that it's really awesome how really deep the Shepard and Garrett race ship really goes down and you can say their best of friends.... my favorite is romance Tali zorah as a male Shepard and having you as my best friend and I always pick him in the last battle... seeing my best friend Garris holding white girl Tali telling me that she already found her home always tears me up inside
...Mans1ayer has ruined that opening Garrus line for me.
Garrus knows saving the galaxy isn't a walk in the park. Tough decisions must be taken.
So that's when he said it
One of the best scenes in the trilogy. No music, no sound effects just two bros grieving about all the horrid shit they have had to do in war.