*My Shepard finds Tali and Garrus togheter* Me: CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN ME THIS? *Meanwhile at Javik's room* Javik: I sense a great disturbance in the force, like someone wants to throw somebody out of the airlock....
Javik was written amazingly and all the interactions between him and the others were done really well. The concept of him being an instrument of war that was born and raised after the fall of his society was already in full swing and nearing completion explains a whole lot of his attitude. His final words were really nice too. You could tell, in his own way, that they all had a profound effect on him. I played full paragon and kept true to my choices and never had him touch the shard.
I never liked him. He's so rude, arrogant, obnoxious and ignorant. Almost as this tyrant on the ship. Most annoying squad mate ever in a BioWare game in my opinion. He's like Eugene from TWD or something with his weird intellect. Nobody disses my Liara like that, Javik got lucky he didn't get dropped on the floor for his words. They could of picked ANYONE else to be a squad mate than this narcissistic lying douchebag. Even most hated person Kai Leng would of been more interesting at least I would except something different and new probably would have been much better in combat as well. But no instead they set him up as a frustrating and anxiety inducing secondary villainous character who's loyal to TIM and Cerberus. Ugh. Vigil was a lot cooler to meet in ME1 only Prothean I respect. Better to just keep Prothy the Prothean frozen on Eden Prime if his personality and attitude is so rotten.
bioware should make a new DLC,it should have the possibility of throwing things,crew members and everything on your mind out of the airlock....i would pay for that shit :)
You know what I found hilarious? If you take Javik with you on the Geth flagship mission, Legion Prevents Javik from drifting into space as the ship blows up. It looks hilarious. Saved by a synthetic. Shameful display, Javik! XD
He senses memories in objects and people through touch, the ship has had a lot of companions so he needs to wash his hands to get the memories off in a way.
In a way, this explains why synthesis is NOT the ideal choice. Javik explains that machines essentially integrated themselves with organics, turning them into a slave race. While this isn't synthesis EXACTLY, it demonstrates that machines and organics are inherently different--and that's precisely why they shouldn't integrate. While the catalyst has a reason to push for synthesis (it would integrate the reapers with all life, and therefore all organic data stored as the reapers with all life), the reapers are actually much like the race Javik speaks of: Organics turned into synthetics. The reapers were made to preserve life, but they did so by destroying it and storing it in reaper form. Leviathans created the reapers to prevent organic destruction by synthetics and essentially created a synthetic life form that destroyed all advanced societies for several cycles. The reapers ironically became exactly what they were created to prevent, but seemingly believed themselves superior to synthetics like the geth simply because they were both more advanced and integrated with organics. Synthesis is not the best option. DESTROY is the best option. The only hope is that advanced societies learn from the mistakes of the quarians.
yeah, combining organic creatures with AI that can turn them into cyborgs... blending the two, by putting the AI in control of oyur bodily functions... synthetic and organic blending... bad idea...
@@urktheturtle2988 Why the label? At which point is synthetic life and organic life different? Sure, one may be created and the other born, but what if synthetics start making organic bodies to "upload" to? Once they start to replicate themselves? Then what?
I think the main difference is that the core programming of SAM relies on a connection to a "pathfinder" specifically. SAM has no reason to try to assert control because if the pathfinder is then killed before transferring to another, the SAM loses their connection itself. Just like how the Natanus SAM ends up corrupted, which was a possible likely outcome that SAM knows to avoid for its own sake. I also think the SAM node requirement means SAM is also hesitant about attempting to obviously do anything. If a pathfinder starts going crazy and AI controlled in the field, the people at the ark can just dismantle the SAM node taking it offline.
Saren was indoctrinated, he didn't want to surrender, he was just following orders of the Reapers, who wanted him to activate the Citadel Relay so they'd invade us.
I kind of have a love hate relationship with Javik. He's awesome and a good squadmate (substitute for Kaidan) but his attitude to EDI, Legion and well... nearly everyone kinda puts it off. Still he's one of the best characters in the series. It's good to see another who has had more experience (in battle and in choice) than Shepard ever will, Reapers and all. Wonder who would win... Shepard or Javik. I really liked him by the end though. Great shift from his original views. :D PROTHY FTW.
I think it's due to him being revived and acknowledging that the species that were in their primordial state when he was alive are in charge now and also being the last one of his people makes him feel bitter and resentful towards everyone as a consequence of loneliness and being thrown in a Galaxy very different from what he was used to. It's like elder people in RL, they were born and grew up in different times than the actual one and they feel a bit disoriented in certain situations or when having to do things differently (aka using smartphones, PC any thing that younger generations can use without problem and has a different mindset than theirs) like they were used or taught to. That's how I see why Javik reacts like this among the crew.
To me this is the most important convo of the whole 3 game series. And in general what the series is about. You find out why you are in shit that you are as a galaxy. And in that context I really can't understand the hate of the endings and how anyone can choose anything other than synthesis. Not to mention that it all ties into a very satisfying trope of 'it's more complicated' where you try to destroy the reapers for 3 games but then find out it won't work like that in the conversation with the catalyst. Truly an epic story that has no rival (in any media) in my mind.
In a bit of casual ship dialogue he mentioned needing to wash more often because of theProtheans' automatic "pheromone"-reading ability. Through that he finds out about all the ship's various inhabitants and moods-past and present, several different species. I guess it gets overwhelming and needs to be cleared, faintly like how the mouth accumulates food bits, tastes, smells, and bacteria until a brushing with toothpaste. (Morning breath, eugh.)
4) Consciousness and self-awareness define what is truly alive, and this consciousness can take forms unfamiliar and alien to us, like the geth. That makes them no less alive as a species, albeit one vastly, vastly different from our own and the typical "organic" being. So, the best way to look at it ( a rough analogy) is that the average geth (not Legion) is like a neuron, and its combined interaction with others, compounded over billions of geth results in a legitimate consciousness and life.
I wish there was a Renegade interrupt to punch Javik in the gut when he argued to throw Legion out the airlock. I'm a Paragon, but I'd punch Javik any day for saying that!
just about every species would choose submission over death. That was the whole point of Saren, to go for the former rather than the latter. The Reaper War would probably have ended a lot sooner if we could actually surrender. The reapers gave them a chance. Probably would have turned on them, but they were screwed either way with the Quarians attacking. May have gone for another few years or however long the cleanup would have taken as slaves rather than die off the bat.
(The Krogan and Turian aboard the ship was just a fight waiting to happen) Javik: I appear to have solved that, Commander. Shepard: How? Javik: -points to airlock- The Airlock solves everything.
This game, if you try and workout every scene, every path you can, it can be infinite. This game is, in my opinion, was created by a very intelligent man.
Clearly, you haven't watched the cut scene with Legion and Admiral Raan 'cause in that cut scene Raan says that the geth with the reaper upgrades are "fully evolved AIs". Legion's respond was that they have become as complex as organics, so theoretically they are alive.
3) Its the interaction of these many individual components (individual "mobile platforms" as the geth refer to them as), superimposed and constantly in connection, that results in a larger consciousness that is the collective geth, which is a true intelligence, and a true life. The concept is similar to how individual neurons in your brain --while considered nonsentient -- are constantly in connection and form a larger, compounded, true, self-aware living being.
After reading xeelee sequence i find the whole concept of organics and synthetics not being able to understand each other as silly bayronic life and dark matter being incomprehensible to one another though would be a thing
Funny, because he was supposed to be in the game, but EA decided "No! He is day one DLC, even though you programmed him to be in the game in the first place!!!"
The real reason the Protheans lost is because instead of building the Crucible, they decided to build an Airlock Super Weapon. It backfired when Harbinger's ass was too big to fit in.
Is it just me, or does this scene handle the organic/synthetic issue better than the Blue, Red, Green endings? Perhaps we should throw Starchild out of the airlock too.
"Throw it out the airlock." - Javik, Mass Effect 3
Javik: Foolish rudimentary creatures your tactics are still so primitive in my cycle we focused on efficiency...we threw everything out the airlock.
Shepard: Then how come you were killed off?
Javik: The Reapers couldn't fit inside the airlocks.
Kylee Smalley LMFAO!!! DEAD ON THE FLOOR HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Kylee!!! :v :v
Kylee Smalley loooooooooooooooooool
"The Reapers Discovered Our Plans!"
They may has better tactics, cuz they lasted more than a century fighting reapers
*My Shepard finds Tali and Garrus togheter*
Me: CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN ME THIS?
*Meanwhile at Javik's room*
Javik: I sense a great disturbance in the force, like someone wants to throw somebody out of the airlock....
Javik likes throwing things out the airlock a little too much!
twinodoom I think it's a reference to Alien.
I want to ejaculate out the airlock
Can anybody find Javik dialogue without any of these words:
"Cycle"
"Primitve"
"Out of the airlock"
?
Impossible
Throw it out of the airlock, primitive. In my cycle, we threw primitives out of the airlock.
+Serlok Brixe I'm sure we'll end up throwing the Krogans out the airlock.
Aki Greus The airlock is a Krogan's toilet.
"Hey Bioware! Take your fucking ending, and throw it out the Airlock!"
Chef Larom XD
Javik was written amazingly and all the interactions between him and the others were done really well. The concept of him being an instrument of war that was born and raised after the fall of his society was already in full swing and nearing completion explains a whole lot of his attitude. His final words were really nice too. You could tell, in his own way, that they all had a profound effect on him. I played full paragon and kept true to my choices and never had him touch the shard.
I never liked him. He's so rude, arrogant, obnoxious and ignorant. Almost as this tyrant on the ship. Most annoying squad mate ever in a BioWare game in my opinion. He's like Eugene from TWD or something with his weird intellect. Nobody disses my Liara like that, Javik got lucky he didn't get dropped on the floor for his words. They could of picked ANYONE else to be a squad mate than this narcissistic lying douchebag. Even most hated person Kai Leng would of been more interesting at least I would except something different and new probably would have been much better in combat as well. But no instead they set him up as a frustrating and anxiety inducing secondary villainous character who's loyal to TIM and Cerberus. Ugh. Vigil was a lot cooler to meet in ME1 only Prothean I respect. Better to just keep Prothy the Prothean frozen on Eden Prime if his personality and attitude is so rotten.
yeah the shard was actually a sad thing. i wish it wasn't
bioware should make a new DLC,it should have the possibility of throwing things,crew members and everything on your mind out of the airlock....i would pay for that shit :)
Is that profile pic from Kane's Wrath or Just cause 2?
its a NOD logo
I believe the proper name for the video would be "Javik tells Shepard to throw Legion out of the airlock. Twice."
You know what I found hilarious?
If you take Javik with you on the Geth flagship mission, Legion Prevents Javik from drifting into space as the ship blows up.
It looks hilarious. Saved by a synthetic. Shameful display, Javik! XD
A fancy calculator with arms is still a calculator
Javiks hands must be really dirty
He senses memories in objects and people through touch, the ship has had a lot of companions so he needs to wash his hands to get the memories off in a way.
he is actually feels "drity" being surrounded by primitives, which is why he washes his hands constantly
Shepard: "Tell you what Javik, I will let you throw Diana Allers out the airlock."
Among us: cafeteria emergency meeting, 2020, colorized
this is the amazing pat of mass effect, the philosophical dilemmas. it needed more of this.
Throwing Legion out the airlock wouldn't kill him anyway, Javik, it would only piss him off.
In a way, this explains why synthesis is NOT the ideal choice. Javik explains that machines essentially integrated themselves with organics, turning them into a slave race. While this isn't synthesis EXACTLY, it demonstrates that machines and organics are inherently different--and that's precisely why they shouldn't integrate. While the catalyst has a reason to push for synthesis (it would integrate the reapers with all life, and therefore all organic data stored as the reapers with all life), the reapers are actually much like the race Javik speaks of: Organics turned into synthetics.
The reapers were made to preserve life, but they did so by destroying it and storing it in reaper form. Leviathans created the reapers to prevent organic destruction by synthetics and essentially created a synthetic life form that destroyed all advanced societies for several cycles. The reapers ironically became exactly what they were created to prevent, but seemingly believed themselves superior to synthetics like the geth simply because they were both more advanced and integrated with organics.
Synthesis is not the best option. DESTROY is the best option. The only hope is that advanced societies learn from the mistakes of the quarians.
Javik is Unpopular Opinion Puffin.
Also, the voice acting was tops for him. Very well selected on Bioware's part.
So, so profound, and so, so Correct... *goosebumps*
He has a point...
yeah, combining organic creatures with AI that can turn them into cyborgs... blending the two, by putting the AI in control of oyur bodily functions...
synthetic and organic blending... bad idea...
His point is born of a pessimistic fear.
Given how things went it is entirely justified as long as you dont know there's a solution.
I always destroy the Geth and the Reapers on my playthroughs. There's no room in this frackin' universe for toasters.
@@urktheturtle2988 Why the label? At which point is synthetic life and organic life different? Sure, one may be created and the other born, but what if synthetics start making organic bodies to "upload" to? Once they start to replicate themselves? Then what?
so the Andromeda Initiative is doing the same thing with the Pathfinders as the Zha did with their race?
Yup, pretty much. By 3000 Sam'll have seized control of whoever the Pathfinder is by then and the angara will have to wipe them out with a supernova.
I think the main difference is that the core programming of SAM relies on a connection to a "pathfinder" specifically. SAM has no reason to try to assert control because if the pathfinder is then killed before transferring to another, the SAM loses their connection itself. Just like how the Natanus SAM ends up corrupted, which was a possible likely outcome that SAM knows to avoid for its own sake. I also think the SAM node requirement means SAM is also hesitant about attempting to obviously do anything. If a pathfinder starts going crazy and AI controlled in the field, the people at the ark can just dismantle the SAM node taking it offline.
Saren was indoctrinated, he didn't want to surrender, he was just following orders of the Reapers, who wanted him to activate the Citadel Relay so they'd invade us.
How many times does he have to wash his hands
(2:24) - skip intro.
I see throwing is still primitive in this cycle.
Javik: It's a mystery how we were made.
Jaal: Well lucky me then.
In the next bit of DLC, we need a scene of javik actually throwing someone out of the airlock
Javik's reasoning: If you dont like something just throw out the airlock.
I kind of have a love hate relationship with Javik. He's awesome and a good squadmate (substitute for Kaidan) but his attitude to EDI, Legion and well... nearly everyone kinda puts it off.
Still he's one of the best characters in the series. It's good to see another who has had more experience (in battle and in choice) than Shepard ever will, Reapers and all.
Wonder who would win... Shepard or Javik.
I really liked him by the end though. Great shift from his original views. :D
PROTHY FTW.
I think it's due to him being revived and acknowledging that the species that were in their primordial state when he was alive are in charge now and also being the last one of his people makes him feel bitter and resentful towards everyone as a consequence of loneliness and being thrown in a Galaxy very different from what he was used to.
It's like elder people in RL, they were born and grew up in different times than the actual one and they feel a bit disoriented in certain situations or when having to do things differently (aka using smartphones, PC any thing that younger generations can use without problem and has a different mindset than theirs) like they were used or taught to. That's how I see why Javik reacts like this among the crew.
He is absolutely right.
Javik:Bla bla bla Empire... bla bla bla superiour....
And where that got you?
Cheburashka207 In a cycle where nothing is thrown out of the airlock...
To me this is the most important convo of the whole 3 game series. And in general what the series is about. You find out why you are in shit that you are as a galaxy. And in that context I really can't understand the hate of the endings and how anyone can choose anything other than synthesis.
Not to mention that it all ties into a very satisfying trope of 'it's more complicated' where you try to destroy the reapers for 3 games but then find out it won't work like that in the conversation with the catalyst.
Truly an epic story that has no rival (in any media) in my mind.
is there any revolvers in space????
They wont survive HIGGGGGH SPAAAACE
John!!!!!
The closest weapon to a revolver is the M358 Talon
@@carattack4491 Nah, it's more like the M-6 Carnifex...
In a bit of casual ship dialogue he mentioned needing to wash more often because of theProtheans' automatic "pheromone"-reading ability. Through that he finds out about all the ship's various inhabitants and moods-past and present, several different species. I guess it gets overwhelming and needs to be cleared, faintly like how the mouth accumulates food bits, tastes, smells, and bacteria until a brushing with toothpaste. (Morning breath, eugh.)
4) Consciousness and self-awareness define what is truly alive, and this consciousness can take forms unfamiliar and alien to us, like the geth. That makes them no less alive as a species, albeit one vastly, vastly different from our own and the typical "organic" being.
So, the best way to look at it ( a rough analogy) is that the average geth (not Legion) is like a neuron, and its combined interaction with others, compounded over billions of geth results in a legitimate consciousness and life.
I wish there was a Renegade interrupt to punch Javik in the gut when he argued to throw Legion out the airlock. I'm a Paragon, but I'd punch Javik any day for saying that!
Can't believe there isn't a short youtube video about that "Throw it out of airlock"-line.
As much as I like Legion, Javik makes a very strong point.
just about every species would choose submission over death. That was the whole point of Saren, to go for the former rather than the latter. The Reaper War would probably have ended a lot sooner if we could actually surrender.
The reapers gave them a chance. Probably would have turned on them, but they were screwed either way with the Quarians attacking. May have gone for another few years or however long the cleanup would have taken as slaves rather than die off the bat.
(The Krogan and Turian aboard the ship was just a fight waiting to happen)
Javik: I appear to have solved that, Commander.
Shepard: How?
Javik: -points to airlock-
The Airlock solves everything.
This game, if you try and workout every scene, every path you can, it can be infinite. This game is, in my opinion, was created by a very intelligent man.
Geth with the Reaper upgrades are fully evolved AI's and are as complex as organics.
Javik is so badass, because he also brought 9 memes with him in that life capsule.
Clearly, you haven't watched the cut scene with Legion and Admiral Raan 'cause in that cut scene Raan says that the geth with the reaper upgrades are "fully evolved AIs". Legion's respond was that they have become as complex as organics, so theoretically they are alive.
how does Javik sleep with that head?
For 50k years.
you wonder about Javik
but
think about Garrus
just
ouch
On the side...
--_--: "I see... so the endings are still primitive in this cycle."
3) Its the interaction of these many individual components (individual "mobile platforms" as the geth refer to them as), superimposed and constantly in connection, that results in a larger consciousness that is the collective geth, which is a true intelligence, and a true life. The concept is similar to how individual neurons in your brain --while considered nonsentient -- are constantly in connection and form a larger, compounded, true, self-aware living being.
airlock. Javik's solution to everything
javik doesnt always have problems.....but when he does..he throws them out of the airlock
As soon as I'm done with the calibrations.
He says that too, this conversation is available during retaking Rannoch.
javik: throw it out the airlock I distrust it.
Legion: ERROR 404: FUCK NOT FOUND.
7) I am commander Javik and this is my favorite airlоck on the Citadel.
8) Touched you, i saw what you and Liara did last night!
I laughed XD
I don't believe we saw much of if any prothean ships
But I could imagine them having ALOT of airlocks!!
After reading xeelee sequence i find the whole concept of organics and synthetics not being able to understand each other as silly bayronic life and dark matter being incomprehensible to one another though would be a thing
sooo With an :OF: or Without
it has the same meaning ?
Funny, because he was supposed to be in the game, but EA decided "No! He is day one DLC, even though you programmed him to be in the game in the first place!!!"
I'm starting to wonder if the Protheans lost to the reapers because they couldn't find an airlock big enough to throw them out of.
in this scene legion was reconstructed?
Am I only one who finds it fascinating when Javik rubs his hands?
Javik's best solutions to any problems is by chucking everything out the air lock lol best thing 2 do XD
Garrus has his calibrations,
Javik has his airlocks,
Wrex, Grunt, Shephard,
And that's all I got. I should go...
(I know it doesn't rhyme)
I stand by my point.
Keep calm and throw it out of the airlock.
Now completed by Manslayer
Legion: That functionality is not to spec.
0:22 Shepard, you MIGHT want to get that looked at.
what's with all the "throw X out of the airlock" lines in this game. Is it some reference to ME2 I'm missing?
Javik throws everything out of the airlock, not just Legion.
Legion I'm sorry
Javik has spoken
10 memes with him in that life capsule
Yeah, I've gotten to know him a bit better now, and he's not that bad.
Sounds like the machines in Javiks cycle were based off of Necrons.
Javik would make an outstanding Elder to the Brotherhood of Steel
Its funny how Javik says this, and this is why the Reapers do their cycle of destruction. Thats way more than a coincidence.
through udina and kai leng out the airlock... oh, and TIM too.
The real reason the Protheans lost is because instead of building the Crucible, they decided to build an Airlock Super Weapon. It backfired when Harbinger's ass was too big to fit in.
You're right.
We need to introduce him to hand sanitizer.
I was talking about the rest of the synthetics.
Is it just me, or does this scene handle the organic/synthetic issue better than the Blue, Red, Green endings?
Perhaps we should throw Starchild out of the airlock too.
Throw endings through the airlock.
Hear hear is an old english expression which expresses agreeance. I'm just saying I heartily agree with you.
The airlock, commander. ಠಠ_ಠಠ
Man, Javik washes his hands a lot.
Somebody call Javik.
Wait...let him finish washing his hands.
I hope he realizes that I'd throw him out of the airlock before Legion any day.
So does Javik just stand around and wash his hands all day
One person got throwed out the airlock
That might take a while... a LONG while...
there should be an option in game to throw it out of the air lock
you are very very good
You wanna go there?
Javik needs clean hands to throw people out the airlock
The only thing Javik doesn't view as primitive in this cycle is the airlock.
Next time I play through mass effect I'm choosing renegade some of shepards actions are hilarious
Despite the meme, I've never actually seen this... scene
Throw EDI out the airlock. Wait, cant do that.
Um? Not sure what you mean....
But thats before you even meet Javik?