@@bigeyetuna6228 Hopefully you can answer me. According to his picture, if I have 100yd zero, and then switch to a 110yd target, my bullet with hit low. Is this correct? Or is the bullet still rising at 100, so it will hit high at 110yd?
@@bigeyetuna6228 Never mind, I figured out his picture is wrong. He drew bullet trajectory as rising about line of sight, then falling down to 100yd target. For 100 yard zero, 100 at at the top of the trajectory.
you know what tht is true. there are optic prototypes that are being developed for military use that have rangefinder built in and automatically zero the reticle to the targets distance. Almost scary in a way lol
This man explains zeroing a rifle and the associated physics just brilliantly...like a physics professor who is also a real bad ass. Kudos to you John! Best lecture of zeroing I have ever seen.
I really like the approach to training here. Very different from other courses provided by some with military backgrounds. Here's what I like: Positive attitude, clean language, factual information. My level of respect for this type of teaching method is higher, this is like quality coaching. Tearing people down, dropping F bombs, and generally treating civilians like military recruits shuts me off personally. I find that the content in this Channel, and the teaching methods demonstrated here is very refreshing. Keep up the great work!
Chris H. - I taught state leo academy for 15 yrs and I can attest that he is a very good instructor. though I haven't met him personally, I've watch many of his instructional vids and I really like his style.
In order for somebody to be able to yell at you and for you to actually benefit from that they would have to have your utter and absolute respect and in that sense they would have to be virtually perfect human beings that are absolute angels. I’ve only met one person in my life like that, she can totally 💩 on me on a daily basis and it’s ok because I know she means well/she’s as perfect human being as it gets.
John is super respectful but still has that SF sarcasm and attitude it's like humble ego and clean language , pretty awesome. Some of his stuff you DO have to have been SF to understand. I thinkthats why he has a tough crowd.
As a career instructor, it is a true pleasure to watch John work. He is really great at what he does. If I wasn't so damned old now, I'd pay money to train with him. Anyone looking for a class should consider his training.
John is a true teacher. He has all the knowledge as well as the ability to teach without belittling and with humor. I bet the students will learn more from this than an instructor that yells and intimidates.
This is taught in Germany to hunters by teaching them to zero about 1.5 inches high on 100m to intuitively be able to just hold straight on the target on all regular hunting distances for most German areas. Great video!!
I've found that zeroing at 25 yds tends to give a good zero out to 300 yds and even 400 depending on the muzzle velocity. On my 16 inch 7.62 rifle, with a muzzle velocity of only about 2550, this gives me a great zero to 270 yds. Only marginally worse at 300+. Just stumbled on that by accident, actually, while playing with ballistic software.
Zeroing that many shooters in 3 strings is pretty amazing. I’ve been on firing lines with shooters who really struggle with zeros. You explained it very well and it shows.
Natural Point of Aim is very important when shooting prone for all the accuracy you and your weapon system has. Once you are prone and on target simply close your eyes and just breathe for a few seconds then reopen your eyes, the sights should still be on the target. If they moved then your body is not working with your rifle.
I use a 36 yard zero for my red dot and have really got used to the tight POA/POI this zero provides. Zero theory intrigues me and this was very educational!!!!
Thank you so much for this video. I just purchased a weapon and sight for the first time and was having trouble understanding zeroing. This gave an amazing description of its theory and what it looks like on paper as well as the practical exercise.
You made some really spot on points that wayyyyy too many gun owners just DO NOT understand. Great job, John. You da man. The only thing that you missed was... Please explain to people why their sight over bore height matters. I've tried to explain it on probably 25 videos, but I'm just tired... lol
I finally proved that to myself when I was a kid and had a big field prepped smooth for planting alfalfa. Fire level, and the bullet will kick up dust in exactly the same amount of time as if you had just dropped it at your feet.
@Evocati I said _LEVEL_ it only "rises" if the axis of the barrel is not level, but angled upward. If your bullet rises from a level barrel, you need a new barrel.
Good grief. Explain it this way please. The bullet does not rise above the plane of the barrel. Yes it may rise compared to ground level but it will not rise compared to the plane the barrel is on when fired.
Good deal, I didn't have to cheat to know how to manipulate a 50 meter zero to hit near my desired point of impact at 100. Beyond that, I'm listening & learning. Appreciate you John. ✌️👏🙏💯
John. I don’t comment often. Thank you for your service first of all. Thank you for teaching civilians as well as law enforcement and ex military if there is such a thing. I train L.A.P.D in my off time. You have honestly helped me further my training with simple little tricks. I’d say to make them shoot as well as think smarter. Amen and God bless brother. ❤️🇺🇸🗽🦅
John, I love ya, Brother!!! One of the absolute best in the biz, right there!!! I spent 20 years in Spec Ops and Spec Act. and have been around a bunch of hard charging, pipe hitters, but John Lovell is one of absolute very best! And his instruction and thoughtful insight make every course that he teaches not only incredibly educational, but a complete blast as well! A great dude! #WarriorPoetSociety
This added so much to my understanding of my zero - I’ve got my dot zeroed at 50/200 but I’m learning my lpvo and it’s zeroed at 100 atm (old hunting habit I guess) - I’m gonna zero it at 50 and then check it at 200
Thanks for what you're doing John. This is the basics that unfortunately a bunch of new shooters don't know. I like to watch these just to keep it fresh. I keep thinking to myself "this is basic training shit for 11 series" lol
I recently added a Miculek brake to my AR. I was amazed at how much my POI had shifted. I was also HAPPILY amazed at how much better my FIRST batch of reloads grouped, over some Federal bulk rounds. I got a reloading "kit" for Christmas, and I already love it.
Great video! Really helped me understand the fundamentals of zeroing in my optics something that was really eluding me before. I’m overly analytical so if I don’t understand something fully it bugs me I can’t just follow directions to zero and not actually understand what I’m doing. some people can just shut up and do it I can’t. Thanks!
Hey john I am 72, US Navy flyer, Aircrew Chief flying right seat. I have always appreciated the classes I had in Physics. because the principles of Gravity are so important when shooting. I love the simple way you laid out the thought process for people to keep in mind. Very well done.
Your clarity of teaching is very noticable, and its VERY rare today. I wouldn't take a word you said for granted. And if ever SHTF I have not found anyone else I'd rather be Trained by than WPS. 👍🤙
Wow! Awesome! I picked up or was reminded of a lot. And bein' an old dude . . . the "mag in the dirt" changes everything. That makes it almost a mounted weapon.
9:04 IMO, this is the best point for civilian defense. In a home or limited property range engagement, this is what matters. AR’s/AK’s etc in free states will usually have 30 rounds or more on board. Center mass with plenty of ability to follow up is my preparedness goal
@@briangullickson9013 The first thing John teaches you at the firing line, after zero, is shooting the attacker in the T-box. Center mass was second. Both in fluid motions. Very great exercise.
“Free states.” It’s coming to your state because you have that mentality. Just look at Virginia. “Won’t happen here” got us into this mess in the first place.
Good Video. I agree, there's a lot of people that really don't understand exactly what it happening when they shoot, yes... the bullet is falling as soon as it exits the barrel, you just happen to overcome the fall with trajectory, velocity, and inertia against air resistance (ballistic coefficient "BC").
Taking it way too seriously, or afraid their wives might be watching the live stream. After 27 years married, I'd have laughed...and if my wife was watching, she would too. God bless her!
15:50 "Pay attention to where you nose is relative to the charging handle”. I always keep the tip of my nose touching the charging handle. Keeps everything consistent.
@@GottaculatI doubt by moving your had back farther on the stock you breathe in any fewer particles or fumes than being up on the charging handle. If you're a righty then your head is on the opposite side of the receiver than the ejection port but either way, being 3 or 4 inches further back isn't making much of a difference. If it makes you feel better, put several strips of 100 mile and hour tape on the stock where you want you cheek to be so each time you bring the weapon up so you'll find the same spot for consistency. Tip of nose to charging handle is what I was taught in basic and it worked pretty well. Shot Expert first time with virtually no rifle experience beforehand.
Finally! I can't remember all the arguments i got into trying to explain the trajectory of a bullet to guys when i was active duty. I kept trying to explain there is no way for it to balloon up and that it was leaving the barrel in an upward trajectory and once it left the barrel it was falling.
I’ve been using the 1000in BZO, since Jan.’77. And don’t even crack an olé guy joke. The 36 yard zero, is my new 5.56 bench mark. @240 yards all the way back in to CQ, all shots will fit inside a 5 in. diameter, with 62gr. 20in. barrel. Keep on shooting, your never to old or young to train, or start training,,,,, God Speed, and God Bless, God Bless the Marine Corps,,,,, 🇺🇸 Semper Fi,,,
I'm a Kenyan Warrior poet. I'm so excited to hear that you guys coming, id love to meet you. I'm sure I'm not the only one. but also I appreciate that you guys will be on a tight schedule so...if I'm saying anything at all, Welcome to kenya...in a year 😁
Having basic training flashbacks from your first statement about recovering: Drill Sgt: "Drop and give me 100!" Me (After counting 100 pushups): "Sergeant, private Moore requests permission to recover!" Drill Sgt: "Get up." Me: Gets up. Drill Sgt: "I didn't tell you to recover! Drop and give me 50 more!" Me: Counts off 50 more, then, "Sergeant, private Moore requests permission to recover!" Drill Sgt: "Get up!" Me: Stays in pushup position. Drill Sgt: "Recover!" Me: Jumps upright into "parade rest", "Thank you sergeant for conditioning my mind and body! Feel free to drop me at any time!" That was in 1980 and I still remember.
Best part is you conditioned yourself with only a little prompting. Students honor a good teacher by outgrowing them as efficiently as possible. Respect, sir, from a young former Airman('10-'17).
@@BandAid350z Parade rest is for sergeants aka NCOs. You're supposed to be at the position of ATTENTION when talking to an officer! Front leaning rest position, MOVE! IN CADENCE!!! EXERCISE! 1,2,3...lol
Tip I pulled from Garand Thumb: tape a foam ear plug to the rifle stock where you want to always mount the rifle using a feature of your face for reference, corner of the mouth, flare of the nostril, whatever.
Man I want on that trip!! But after watching a lot of instructions the 36m zero places a cd sized target at nearly all distances. Still trying to wrap around the theory of it all as I prepare my rifle skills. Love your videos John!
Having rocked the old A1 and A2, as well as the newer ARs, never, not once have I ever had a stoppage when using the magazine as a monopod. Not once, not ever using older or newer mags. Not sure where that myth came from. I remember the NCOs saying that as a lower enlisted early in my tenure, but the paradigm shifted later on.
Holleneichhornchen I was in the military 09-15 and always used my magazine unless I had something better to use. I also never once had an issue. I’ve had a few failure to fire but that was from an issue with the round itself. I still do the same thing today. At a company retreat we had a competition with standing on first two targets and then moving over to a wooden barricade if you would want to use some kind of support out to 200 yards. I was like 3rd to last to go and instead of moving over to the support like the previous 90 people, I dropped and began firing from where I started using the magazine as support. I think that saved me 6 seconds from running over there and getting a good setup. I ended up winning that year because of it I think. Being able to get off rounds quickly and accurately might be the more important thing depending on where you are. If you give me a sandbag, I’ll take it, but people need to be able to adapt to different shooting situations and not having a thing to support yourself with, using a magazine can be extremely helpful.
The 36 yd. zero is good for urban needs. I cannot see greater distances in my neighborhood. with this zero I don't have to think about anything but getting the sights on target. Hopefully, that will be never... and my AR will remain a range toy!
@15:45...this is what caught my attention to what & how this gentleman is trying to teach. Asked if it should be done this way, that way, or another way, his response is "the consistent way". and in another video, he says the same. I have learned to ride/race motorcycles from a gentleman named Reg Pridmore and CLASS school. And what both these guys teach is, HERE is the right way, and i want you to try that way, but they also allow you to incorporate your own style, physical ability, and consistency into that way...to come up with a way that you can reproduce every time. so that the way you end up with, is both your way, but also consists of the idea, form, and function of what the RIGHT way is. and that way you improve with a 'way' that you can use and reuse as you perform the act of shooting (or riding a motorcycle).
People, spend $65 and go to an Appleseed and at least show up at the big money class with a decent zero and knowing your optic is tight and the gun will make it through the class. You will get much more out of John or any other high level instructor if you show up with better fundamentals. John THANK YOU for all you teach. Would love to see more Project Nemisis.
Which is why the 36 yard, or 33 meter zero is a good compromise between the 25/300 and the 50/200 zeros. It will hold within 6 inches all the way out to 500 to 600 yards.
What we used to do when aiming w/ an M14 back in the day was get your cheek to set at a point where your thumb on your trigger hand would hit your right nostril; this would ensure your sight through your optics was always the same. One less variable on down range shots to engage the enemy efficiently. If your head is always in the same spot on the rifle, you can read read your reticle more efficiently and know where to place your shot.
Avery nice video on the basics. This is timely; I zeroed a new optic yesterday, at 25 yd with a dot-circle reticle...hey, it corresponds to the 300yd BZO I was taught in the Marines! :) I also spoke with a new rifle shooter; this is an excellent resource to refer him to!
Nice. I teach physics and often use guns as applied examples. A lot of your explanation was similar to the way I present this example. Given that I'm not nearly the expert you are in this application, I take the similarities as good signs for my instruction. Thank you.
When zeroing do you not take into account that you're shooting upward to the target from prone? Wouldn't it be better to zero from a bench, or put the target at ground level? Probably not a game changer either way but just thinking aloud.
I’m thinking the mindset is, if you’re a beginner or not the greatest shot, and you’re going to be shooting from prone, zero in from prone. Makes sense to zero in the position you’ll mostly be shooting from.
Up or down angle does matter (hypotenuse). You can always do a quick estimation of the angle (up or down) you are firing on a calculator. If say, 20 degrees then hit 20 & COS and you would adjust your elevation correction. So, 500 yards, whatever your normal correction would be, you would use 94% of that value. Otherwise, up or down angle, you will overshoot. You could also, if zeroing from prone, set your target to the same height as your muzzle for your original question - then, prone, sitting, standing, it is the same (exception is angle or cant skew your point of impact versus point of aim). Hope that helps some.
IT'S NOT A BLASTER, IT'S A SLUG THROWER... KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!!! Seriously, though, hearing your feedback to the individual students is VERY helpful. In fact, a few months ago I mounted a new optic and couldn't get it to zero. I got home and started cleaning and .... it was loose. Doah! thanks.
Thank you for that! That really helped me zero my 7mm mag, I love to ground hunt, so prone is a must tree leaning, stump sitting, & bush diving are a thing. Hope you got a kick outta that! Your dry humor is on point, laughed my ass off, that’s exactly what I was thinking, then you said that shit, ridiculously funny, but so true right between the eyes before he could blink, fast accurate & on point period.
Threw my gun down and still shot a 1" group........in my buddy's target. Failed the test question. I said, "hold over". The 50/200 zero seems practical for minute of torso accuracy at reasonable distances. The "Gun Bunny Prone" is only for progressive marksmen. And a good incantation can aid in zen shooting.
Saw a great video by Frank Proctor about a month ago in which he teaches how to obtain the 50/200 zero on a 10 yd range. Not sure if he was shooting M193 or M855 or some boutique commercial or LE/self defense ammo, as that was never clarified. Bottom line, he used a ballistic data app, and entered bullet weight, etc., which was not in his video. Proctor then demonstrated how to hold your dot on the center of a small bullseye (POA) and adjust elevation so your POI is 1.9” below POA. That gives you a 50/200 zero with the convenience of a 10 yard range where you can easily see your shots POI and make adjustments. I actually did this with my RDS equipped carbines and their BUIS. Will do so on the LVPO I’m going to install on one of my carbines later this week.
I second the question on 36 yd zero. Shawn Ryan/Vigilance elite did an interesting video on POI spread for the different zeros, with 36 yd staying inside the diameter of a CD for out 300m (I think 300). Thoughts John?
@erozpl01 very true. But those of us defending our homes rather than our country shouldn't be concerning ourselves beyond 300. If I'm shooting at something 300yds away, I'm either hunting or commiting a serious crime. I don't hunt. So my response to your assessment is that while you are very correct, application is key. I would like to hunt but I've never had the opportunity to go. So as a home commando, 36 is my go to. When I get the chance to go I'll adjust my zero. No disrespect, just a different perspective.
I saw Shawn Ryan's video and zero my rifle at 37.5yds now too. Someone already commented on it in the reply, but 37.5/250yd zero is fine for somebody that's only using their rifle for home defense. The closer zero the better IMO for hd, but 37.5yd zero is versatile at shorter distances, and IIRCC, Shawn said that out of the 25/37.5/50yd zeroes, 37.5 had the smallest spread out to about 300 yds. I think the entire circle was about 6inches in diameter.
@@mail-qh2qc I could be remembering wrong. I prefer it because 37.5 yards is halfway between 25 and 50 yards so it makes it easy to remember that it's going to be a 37.5/250yd zero. Could've sworn I've heard him mention 37.5 somewhere but I've been wrong before.
Excellent! I live and hunt in Alaska. I shoot remington 700s in .270 and 300 H & H, reload 130gr and 180gr TTSX so similar ballistics. I sight in at 100 yards so I am shooting 3 inches high. 3 inches high at 100 yards lets me shoot reliably to 300 yards with no scope adjustment (3 inches high at 100 yards, 0 at 250 yards, 3 inches low at 300 yards) works for me hunting caribou, sheep and moose. Over the past 40 years, most of my hunting shots have been less than 200 yards. Hunting in the mountains, prone shots are rare due to steep slopes, brush and rocks so hunting shots usually off shooting sticks or a pack set on rocks. I like Ryan Cleckners advice...focus on the reticle, not the target.
LOL... they are a bit high strung when it comes to their rifles. I've had my buddies give me no end of shit cause I treat mine like John does. Screw it, if it can't take the abuse I need a better one.
Thanks very much, John. Great advice as always. Will be including your tips and recommendations on my next trip to range--because, yes, I have chased the Zero Rabbit all over the damn place! Keep up the great work!
I'm carrying around a rangefinder at all times! Use my Leica for work all the time. Now that I think about it, that might be why I'm better at judging ranges than they are, from all the outside measuring I do for a living.
Great video. Understanding parallax as a physical concept can can be tough for the beginner. One drill that really helps is to show them direct evidence that can set off a bell in their head...sort of an 'Ahhhahhhh' moment. Give the student an AR that is zeroed at 100 M and have them shoot a decent group at 100 M. Then have them shoot the same unaltered gun/optic at 10 M while keeping the dot on the bullseye and let them see the group there...of course it will drop. Then have them press the muzzle against the bullseye of the target point blank so they can see how the optic is so much higher than the true impact point if they were to fire at 0 M. This gives the mind the idea of 'the angular distance between the optic and the reality of a projectile exiting the barrel, not exiting the optic". This works wonders for those who are struggling with the concept.
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This guy is great. Hes clearly knowledgable yet doesnt talk down to his students. Truly the definition of a great teacher.
Can confirm. Took Pistol 1 with John in June, and I intend to return for more.
This is his best video in my opinion, wasn’t a big fan before this, I’ve watched this video 3 times from S to F
@@bigeyetuna6228 Ive watched more since, i like all his stuff
@@bigeyetuna6228 Hopefully you can answer me. According to his picture, if I have 100yd zero, and then switch to a 110yd target, my bullet with hit low. Is this correct? Or is the bullet still rising at 100, so it will hit high at 110yd?
@@bigeyetuna6228 Never mind, I figured out his picture is wrong. He drew bullet trajectory as rising about line of sight, then falling down to 100yd target. For 100 yard zero, 100 at at the top of the trajectory.
"unless you're carrying around a range finder all the time"
My math teachers told me the same thing about calculators and look at us now.
Technically if you have a phone then you have a calculator but I get your point lol
@@Foxhound_J.... That's the joke...
you know what tht is true.
there are optic prototypes that are being developed for military use that have rangefinder built in and automatically zero the reticle to the targets distance.
Almost scary in a way lol
I keep my golf clubs in my trunk, so I actually do have a range finder with me all the time.
Samsung should make a phone with a range finder in it. Someone important needs to have their secretary send them a letter.
This man explains zeroing a rifle and the associated physics just brilliantly...like a physics professor who is also a real bad ass. Kudos to you John! Best lecture of zeroing I have ever seen.
Yes...he went from frame of reference...to gravity really quickly. Great explanation!
I really like the approach to training here. Very different from other courses provided by some with military backgrounds. Here's what I like: Positive attitude, clean language, factual information. My level of respect for this type of teaching method is higher, this is like quality coaching. Tearing people down, dropping F bombs, and generally treating civilians like military recruits shuts me off personally. I find that the content in this Channel, and the teaching methods demonstrated here is very refreshing. Keep up the great work!
Chris H. - I taught state leo academy for 15 yrs and I can attest that he is a very good instructor. though I haven't met him personally, I've watch many of his instructional vids and I really like his style.
In order for somebody to be able to yell at you and for you to actually benefit from that they would have to have your utter and absolute respect and in that sense they would have to be virtually perfect human beings that are absolute angels. I’ve only met one person in my life like that, she can totally 💩 on me on a daily basis and it’s ok because I know she means well/she’s as perfect human being as it gets.
Yeah. 4-letter words are so offensive. #safeplace
John is super respectful but still has that SF sarcasm and attitude it's like humble ego and clean language , pretty awesome. Some of his stuff you DO have to have been SF to understand. I thinkthats why he has a tough crowd.
@@THEJOEBECK There's a time, a place and an audience for everything, Sparky. #KeepItClassy
4 clicks for every two fingers is a fantastic tip! As an instructor myself, I am stealing that one.
This guy literally wakes up every morning and snorts rays of sunshine. He's so nice and happy but he has the energy of Gilgamesh.
Gilgamesh had energy?
@@jlove0311 have you ever heard the epic of Gilgamesh?
@@Boodge-hc9jl
I've heard of it...
Never read it
@@jlove0311 if you're curious Google it and you'll know what I'm talking about
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Man, you got a tough crowd. I was laughing at all your jokes.
Agree!! Dudes need to lighten TF up!! 🥴🤣
@JoozdontliketheTruth what?
@JoozdontliketheTruth he's only ever used daddy's money
Got something dripping off your chin there
The class doesn't have a mic, so you can't hear them
As a career instructor, it is a true pleasure to watch John work. He is really great at what he does. If I wasn't so damned old now, I'd pay money to train with him. Anyone looking for a class should consider his training.
"I didn't tell you to recover." LMAO. You can take the man out of the military but...
"I'll just move you." every NCO, you can take the man out of the military but...
We always got a BZO at 37m then started at the 200, 300 and 500. I like the info! I always have had the 100yd zero. Thanks again and Semper Fi
Good information. Thank you.
Poor guy haha i cringed so bad
If I had a dollar for every time I said that, fuck Bloomberg, 🤣
"if that breaks it, you need a better gun". Amen, Brother!
John is a true teacher. He has all the knowledge as well as the ability to teach without belittling and with humor. I bet the students will learn more from this than an instructor that yells and intimidates.
This is taught in Germany to hunters by teaching them to zero about 1.5 inches high on 100m to intuitively be able to just hold straight on the target on all regular hunting distances for most German areas. Great video!!
Wouldn't it be in metric though?
Never heard a German use inches for anything.
@@mrdrprof99 4cm high :)
Penis length tall
I've found that zeroing at 25 yds tends to give a good zero out to 300 yds and even 400 depending on the muzzle velocity. On my 16 inch 7.62 rifle, with a muzzle velocity of only about 2550, this gives me a great zero to 270 yds. Only marginally worse at 300+. Just stumbled on that by accident, actually, while playing with ballistic software.
@@mrdrprof99 Some still have Patton flashbacks.
As a former infantry instructor and range safety Nco its very easy to see John knows his business very well and is a great instructor!
Zeroing that many shooters in 3 strings is pretty amazing. I’ve been on firing lines with shooters who really struggle with zeros. You explained it very well and it shows.
Natural Point of Aim is very important when shooting prone for all the accuracy you and your weapon system has. Once you are prone and on target simply close your eyes and just breathe for a few seconds then reopen your eyes, the sights should still be on the target. If they moved then your body is not working with your rifle.
I use a 36 yard zero for my red dot and have really got used to the tight POA/POI this zero provides. Zero theory intrigues me and this was very educational!!!!
I did the same zero for my ARs as well. The logic is sound for how tight the holds are.
You have a natural teaching technique. You enjoy it, and it shows. I learn a lot from your videos.
I zero mine at 9 yards, which is all the farther i can shoot in mom's basement.
Not garand thumbs comment section 😅
That's actually a pretty good zero
LMAO
@Ryan McMorrow mommy brings them down for me, of course.
Bwahahahahaha
Did John ever come out with the camo bathrobes? For home self defense.
Yeah I'm still pissed at my wife for not getting me one for Christmas
No....but there is tactical aprons for grilling on Amazon. I wish there was a tactical robe 😞
@@PACEMAKER8383 at some point Maybe you should sit your wife down and have the "Devores talk" just kidding happy new years
She would kick my butt I'm not sure if that's a wise choice maybe I'll call her 🤣
@@PACEMAKER8383 lmfaoo!!!!!! True, Very wise words my friend.
Thank you so much for this video. I just purchased a weapon and sight for the first time and was having trouble understanding zeroing. This gave an amazing description of its theory and what it looks like on paper as well as the practical exercise.
"If that breaks it, get a better gun"- super truth on that one!
You made some really spot on points that wayyyyy too many gun owners just DO NOT understand. Great job, John. You da man. The only thing that you missed was... Please explain to people why their sight over bore height matters. I've tried to explain it on probably 25 videos, but I'm just tired... lol
4:30 Finally someone with common sense about bullet travel it doesn't rise after leaving the barrel
But it may gain elevation... So does it rise?..
I finally proved that to myself when I was a kid and had a big field prepped smooth for planting alfalfa. Fire level, and the bullet will kick up dust in exactly the same amount of time as if you had just dropped it at your feet.
@@xXdatkid411Xx any height gained is from the rifle being canted upwards
@Evocati I said _LEVEL_ it only "rises" if the axis of the barrel is not level, but angled upward. If your bullet rises from a level barrel, you need a new barrel.
Good grief. Explain it this way please. The bullet does not rise above the plane of the barrel. Yes it may rise compared to ground level but it will not rise compared to the plane the barrel is on when fired.
Good basics! I learned that in middle school back in the USSR: Position of the body, legs, feet, finger, breathing, point of aim, you name it!
His joke about the hostage should've been laughed at more. I was rollin for a good 30 seconds.
They were deep in thought and contemplation to register a laugh.
Some people are just overly sensitive and have zero sense of humor. I thought it was hilarious.
Had me rolling as well! Gimme more dark humor!!
Good deal, I didn't have to cheat to know how to manipulate a 50 meter zero to hit near my desired point of impact at 100. Beyond that, I'm listening & learning. Appreciate you John. ✌️👏🙏💯
John. I don’t comment often. Thank you for your service first of all. Thank you for teaching civilians as well as law enforcement and ex military if there is such a thing. I train L.A.P.D in my off time. You have honestly helped me further my training with simple little tricks. I’d say to make them shoot as well as think smarter. Amen and God bless brother. ❤️🇺🇸🗽🦅
We are veterans not ex-military
John, I love ya, Brother!!! One of the absolute best in the biz, right there!!! I spent 20 years in Spec Ops and Spec Act. and have been around a bunch of hard charging, pipe hitters, but John Lovell is one of absolute very best! And his instruction and thoughtful insight make every course that he teaches not only incredibly educational, but a complete blast as well! A great dude!
#WarriorPoetSociety
This added so much to my understanding of my zero - I’ve got my dot zeroed at 50/200 but I’m learning my lpvo and it’s zeroed at 100 atm (old hunting habit I guess) - I’m gonna zero it at 50 and then check it at 200
I'll be real, I feel like this should be watched every time as a solid reminder before range day. Just no bs, and extremely condensed information.
Thanks for what you're doing John. This is the basics that unfortunately a bunch of new shooters don't know. I like to watch these just to keep it fresh. I keep thinking to myself "this is basic training shit for 11 series" lol
I recently added a Miculek brake to my AR. I was amazed at how much my POI had shifted. I was also HAPPILY amazed at how much better my FIRST batch of reloads grouped, over some Federal bulk rounds. I got a reloading "kit" for Christmas, and I already love it.
Great video! Really helped me understand the fundamentals of zeroing in my optics something that was really eluding me before. I’m overly analytical so if I don’t understand something fully it bugs me I can’t just follow directions to zero and not actually understand what I’m doing. some people can just shut up and do it I can’t. Thanks!
Hey john I am 72, US Navy flyer, Aircrew Chief flying right seat. I have always appreciated the classes I had in Physics. because the principles of Gravity are so important when shooting. I love the simple way you laid out the thought process for people to keep in mind. Very well done.
“I didn’t tell you to recover “
My heart started to beat in cadence!
Your clarity of teaching is very noticable, and its VERY rare today. I wouldn't take a word you said for granted. And if ever SHTF I have not found anyone else I'd rather be Trained by than WPS. 👍🤙
John. I thought I was crazy for a minute, I had to keep pausing the video. All I could hear was the harmonica music. you win this round.
Wow! Awesome! I picked up or was reminded of a lot. And bein' an old dude . . . the "mag in the dirt" changes everything. That makes it almost a mounted weapon.
9:04 IMO, this is the best point for civilian defense. In a home or limited property range engagement, this is what matters. AR’s/AK’s etc in free states will usually have 30 rounds or more on board.
Center mass with plenty of ability to follow up is my preparedness goal
.. emphasis on “free states” 🇺🇸
@@briangullickson9013 The first thing John teaches you at the firing line, after zero, is shooting the attacker in the T-box. Center mass was second. Both in fluid motions. Very great exercise.
DM Herman - sounds precisely like my cup of tea! 👍🏼 🇺🇸
“Free states.” It’s coming to your state because you have that mentality. Just look at Virginia. “Won’t happen here” got us into this mess in the first place.
BandAid350z well, we shall all see how it goes on 1-20-2020... 👍🏼🇺🇸
You are such a good guy. We are blessed you put this content out for us. God bless you and your family brother.
Agreed. Listened through all the stuff on Spotify while working.
That class looks so amazingly comfortable. It even includes a "nap" session! Just look at everyone laying down!
xD
Good Video. I agree, there's a lot of people that really don't understand exactly what it happening when they shoot, yes... the bullet is falling as soon as it exits the barrel, you just happen to overcome the fall with trajectory, velocity, and inertia against air resistance (ballistic coefficient "BC").
Crickets when there’s comedic gold in that room 😂
Taking it way too seriously, or afraid their wives might be watching the live stream. After 27 years married, I'd have laughed...and if my wife was watching, she would too. God bless her!
There isn't a mic on them, so no noise Sherlock 😂
For being a non-precision guy, you explained this extremely well. Much better than all of the CQB guys I’ve seen on UA-cam.
Christopher Brusa Ryan Cleckner is rubbing off. ;)
15:50 "Pay attention to where you nose is relative to the charging handle”. I always keep the tip of my nose touching the charging handle. Keeps everything consistent.
Might want to check your lead levels, unless you're using a piston setup or respirator.
@@GottaculatI doubt by moving your had back farther on the stock you breathe in any fewer particles or fumes than being up on the charging handle. If you're a righty then your head is on the opposite side of the receiver than the ejection port but either way, being 3 or 4 inches further back isn't making much of a difference. If it makes you feel better, put several strips of 100 mile and hour tape on the stock where you want you cheek to be so each time you bring the weapon up so you'll find the same spot for consistency. Tip of nose to charging handle is what I was taught in basic and it worked pretty well. Shot Expert first time with virtually no rifle experience beforehand.
Finally! I can't remember all the arguments i got into trying to explain the trajectory of a bullet to guys when i was active duty. I kept trying to explain there is no way for it to balloon up and that it was leaving the barrel in an upward trajectory and once it left the barrel it was falling.
I’ve been using the 1000in BZO, since Jan.’77. And don’t even crack an olé guy joke. The 36 yard zero, is my new 5.56 bench mark. @240 yards all the way back in to CQ, all shots will fit inside a 5 in. diameter, with 62gr. 20in. barrel. Keep on shooting, your never to old or young to train, or start training,,,,,
God Speed, and God Bless, God Bless the Marine Corps,,,,, 🇺🇸
Semper Fi,,,
I'm a Kenyan Warrior poet. I'm so excited to hear that you guys coming, id love to meet you. I'm sure I'm not the only one. but also I appreciate that you guys will be on a tight schedule so...if I'm saying anything at all, Welcome to kenya...in a year 😁
Having basic training flashbacks from your first statement about recovering:
Drill Sgt: "Drop and give me 100!"
Me (After counting 100 pushups): "Sergeant, private Moore requests permission to recover!"
Drill Sgt: "Get up."
Me: Gets up.
Drill Sgt: "I didn't tell you to recover! Drop and give me 50 more!"
Me: Counts off 50 more, then, "Sergeant, private Moore requests permission to recover!"
Drill Sgt: "Get up!"
Me: Stays in pushup position.
Drill Sgt: "Recover!"
Me: Jumps upright into "parade rest", "Thank you sergeant for conditioning my mind and body! Feel free to drop me at any time!"
That was in 1980 and I still remember.
Bret Moore I remember too 1974
I still have dreams of talking to an officer when I’m not at parade rest and and drill sergeant smoking my ass.
Best part is you conditioned yourself with only a little prompting. Students honor a good teacher by outgrowing them as efficiently as possible. Respect, sir, from a young former Airman('10-'17).
@@BandAid350z Parade rest is for sergeants aka NCOs. You're supposed to be at the position of ATTENTION when talking to an officer! Front leaning rest position, MOVE! IN CADENCE!!! EXERCISE! 1,2,3...lol
@Walter M yeah. That was the point. I’ll smoke myself now.
Tip I pulled from Garand Thumb: tape a foam ear plug to the rifle stock where you want to always mount the rifle using a feature of your face for reference, corner of the mouth, flare of the nostril, whatever.
Great training as always. I love that you go back to the basics. Thank you
It's a crime I'm just seeing this video now. This is great info nobody else really talks about.
you are a good teacher. well on point and explains. maybe sometime when i flee from germany i wish to spend your classes.
Lol, seems like John has a lot of German followers
So gehts mir auch, eines Tages vielleicht
@ You are on point Sir.
@@nakotaapache4674 ich auch. Sobald ich 18 bin raus aus commie germany und im die Freiheit
Man I want on that trip!! But after watching a lot of instructions the 36m zero places a cd sized target at nearly all distances. Still trying to wrap around the theory of it all as I prepare my rifle skills. Love your videos John!
Can't zero if you can't group. Great video!
This video is worth a Like just for him telling where to mount your optic. No other reputable youtuber mentions that.
Having rocked the old A1 and A2, as well as the newer ARs, never, not once have I ever had a stoppage when using the magazine as a monopod. Not once, not ever using older or newer mags.
Not sure where that myth came from. I remember the NCOs saying that as a lower enlisted early in my tenure, but the paradigm shifted later on.
Holleneichhornchen I was in the military 09-15 and always used my magazine unless I had something better to use. I also never once had an issue. I’ve had a few failure to fire but that was from an issue with the round itself. I still do the same thing today. At a company retreat we had a competition with standing on first two targets and then moving over to a wooden barricade if you would want to use some kind of support out to 200 yards. I was like 3rd to last to go and instead of moving over to the support like the previous 90 people, I dropped and began firing from where I started using the magazine as support. I think that saved me 6 seconds from running over there and getting a good setup. I ended up winning that year because of it I think. Being able to get off rounds quickly and accurately might be the more important thing depending on where you are. If you give me a sandbag, I’ll take it, but people need to be able to adapt to different shooting situations and not having a thing to support yourself with, using a magazine can be extremely helpful.
You are a terrific speaker 🔊 and articulate in simple terms 👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
36 yard zero proven vigilante elite.... I only use this zero. Proven cd size group from 7rd to 300. Works everytime with my eotech
I scrolled just to make sure I wasn't the only one.
@@brendondickerson9563 Me too 36 for the win...
With the 36yd zero what is the holdover for about 7yds?
The 36 yd. zero is good for urban needs. I cannot see greater distances in my neighborhood. with this zero I don't have to think about anything but getting the sights on target. Hopefully, that will be never... and my AR will remain a range toy!
@15:45...this is what caught my attention to what & how this gentleman is trying to teach. Asked if it should be done this way, that way, or another way, his response is "the consistent way". and in another video, he says the same. I have learned to ride/race motorcycles from a gentleman named Reg Pridmore and CLASS school. And what both these guys teach is, HERE is the right way, and i want you to try that way, but they also allow you to incorporate your own style, physical ability, and consistency into that way...to come up with a way that you can reproduce every time. so that the way you end up with, is both your way, but also consists of the idea, form, and function of what the RIGHT way is. and that way you improve with a 'way' that you can use and reuse as you perform the act of shooting (or riding a motorcycle).
People, spend $65 and go to an Appleseed and at least show up at the big money class with a decent zero and knowing your optic is tight and the gun will make it through the class. You will get much more out of John or any other high level instructor if you show up with better fundamentals.
John THANK YOU for all you teach. Would love to see more Project Nemisis.
I love the subtle harmonica track in there. Thank you for the knowledge. Your humor is great. If anyone states otherwise they just can't take a joke.
“Gun bunny prone” 😂
TED CARL T H I C C
All he needs now is a sponsorship from Taran Tactical
Atlas Tech I mean, that gun bunny with her thong pulled up around her waist with the pants around the hips is a hot little number, I ain’t gonna lie.
Which is why the 36 yard, or 33 meter zero is a good compromise between the 25/300 and the 50/200 zeros. It will hold within 6 inches all the way out to 500 to 600 yards.
I'm surprised I'm the only one who laughed at the "and some of you like your wives" joke.
I KNOW RIGHT?! That was HILARIOUS!
As my first thought was
2 birds 1 stone
@@Tavis15ify BRUH XD
@Superdude70 No, I just have a sense of humor.
@@Tavis15ify dude, thats dark.
That was the best explanation of zeroing I've ever heard.
14:08 Raptor charging handle. Good choice.
Giuseppe> but yeah radian is #2
What we used to do when aiming w/ an M14 back in the day was get your cheek to set at a point where your thumb on your trigger hand would hit your right nostril; this would ensure your sight through your optics was always the same. One less variable on down range shots to engage the enemy efficiently. If your head is always in the same spot on the rifle, you can read read your reticle more efficiently and know where to place your shot.
Thank you for your amazing sense of humor I thought I was alone in the world...lol
Great video. A set of long range iron "flip up" sites would be a great way to demonstrate siting vs. muzzle elevation.
That guy laying down took grey man to a whole other level.
Avery nice video on the basics. This is timely; I zeroed a new optic yesterday, at 25 yd with a dot-circle reticle...hey, it corresponds to the 300yd BZO I was taught in the Marines! :)
I also spoke with a new rifle shooter; this is an excellent resource to refer him to!
Telephone poles are generally 200 ft apart, if that helps.
Nice. I teach physics and often use guns as applied examples. A lot of your explanation was similar to the way I present this example. Given that I'm not nearly the expert you are in this application, I take the similarities as good signs for my instruction. Thank you.
When zeroing do you not take into account that you're shooting upward to the target from prone? Wouldn't it be better to zero from a bench, or put the target at ground level? Probably not a game changer either way but just thinking aloud.
I’m thinking the mindset is, if you’re a beginner or not the greatest shot, and you’re going to be shooting from prone, zero in from prone. Makes sense to zero in the position you’ll mostly be shooting from.
Up or down angle does matter (hypotenuse). You can always do a quick estimation of the angle (up or down) you are firing on a calculator. If say, 20 degrees then hit 20 & COS and you would adjust your elevation correction. So, 500 yards, whatever your normal correction would be, you would use 94% of that value. Otherwise, up or down angle, you will overshoot. You could also, if zeroing from prone, set your target to the same height as your muzzle for your original question - then, prone, sitting, standing, it is the same (exception is angle or cant skew your point of impact versus point of aim). Hope that helps some.
IT'S NOT A BLASTER, IT'S A SLUG THROWER... KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!!! Seriously, though, hearing your feedback to the individual students is VERY helpful. In fact, a few months ago I mounted a new optic and couldn't get it to zero. I got home and started cleaning and .... it was loose. Doah! thanks.
This is madness; an American talking metrics... :-)
Nice vid, as always!
Thank you for that! That really helped me zero my 7mm mag, I love to ground hunt, so prone is a must tree leaning, stump sitting, & bush diving are a thing. Hope you got a kick outta that! Your dry humor is on point, laughed my ass off, that’s exactly what I was thinking, then you said that shit, ridiculously funny, but so true right between the eyes before he could blink, fast accurate & on point period.
Threw my gun down and still shot a 1" group........in my buddy's target.
Failed the test question. I said, "hold over".
The 50/200 zero seems practical for minute of torso accuracy at reasonable distances.
The "Gun Bunny Prone" is only for progressive marksmen. And a good incantation can aid in zen shooting.
Saw a great video by Frank Proctor about a month ago in which he teaches how to obtain the 50/200 zero on a 10 yd range. Not sure if he was shooting M193 or M855 or some boutique commercial or LE/self defense ammo, as that was never clarified. Bottom line, he used a ballistic data app, and entered bullet weight, etc., which was not in his video. Proctor then demonstrated how to hold your dot on the center of a small bullseye (POA) and adjust elevation so your POI is 1.9” below POA. That gives you a 50/200 zero with the convenience of a 10 yard range where you can easily see your shots POI and make adjustments. I actually did this with my RDS equipped carbines and their BUIS. Will do so on the LVPO I’m going to install on one of my carbines later this week.
“Some humility bro”. There’s always that one guy... who thinks they are Rambo. Lol.
Rambo? Never heard of her.
wasn't sure which zero he was referring to when he said this though. The 100 yard zero?
Thank you John, Im going on my first AR beginners course this weekend, so this is going to help :)
I second the question on 36 yd zero. Shawn Ryan/Vigilance elite did an interesting video on POI spread for the different zeros, with 36 yd staying inside the diameter of a CD for out 300m (I think 300). Thoughts John?
130flyer agreed. I’ve heard that and experimented with it. Thanks for the info on a video about it.
@erozpl01 very true. But those of us defending our homes rather than our country shouldn't be concerning ourselves beyond 300. If I'm shooting at something 300yds away, I'm either hunting or commiting a serious crime. I don't hunt. So my response to your assessment is that while you are very correct, application is key. I would like to hunt but I've never had the opportunity to go. So as a home commando, 36 is my go to. When I get the chance to go I'll adjust my zero. No disrespect, just a different perspective.
Love that vid as well and my zero too,thanks Shawn!
I saw Shawn Ryan's video and zero my rifle at 37.5yds now too. Someone already commented on it in the reply, but 37.5/250yd zero is fine for somebody that's only using their rifle for home defense. The closer zero the better IMO for hd, but 37.5yd zero is versatile at shorter distances, and IIRCC, Shawn said that out of the 25/37.5/50yd zeroes, 37.5 had the smallest spread out to about 300 yds. I think the entire circle was about 6inches in diameter.
@@mail-qh2qc I could be remembering wrong. I prefer it because 37.5 yards is halfway between 25 and 50 yards so it makes it easy to remember that it's going to be a 37.5/250yd zero. Could've sworn I've heard him mention 37.5 somewhere but I've been wrong before.
50/200 is a good red dot zero, LPVO with BDC I would get on paper at 50yds than zero at 100 yds for BDC holds. Good clear instructions. Well done
10:50 it was at this moment every Marine Corps Drill Instructors lost their shit.
Excellent! I live and hunt in Alaska. I shoot remington 700s in .270 and 300 H & H, reload 130gr and 180gr TTSX so similar ballistics. I sight in at 100 yards so I am shooting 3 inches high. 3 inches high at 100 yards lets me shoot reliably to 300 yards with no scope adjustment (3 inches high at 100 yards, 0 at 250 yards, 3 inches low at 300 yards) works for me hunting caribou, sheep and moose. Over the past 40 years, most of my hunting shots have been less than 200 yards. Hunting in the mountains, prone shots are rare due to steep slopes, brush and rocks so hunting shots usually off shooting sticks or a pack set on rocks. I like Ryan Cleckners advice...focus on the reticle, not the target.
i freaking love john's humor. XD
I've been using 36m zero since I expect most of my shooting to be rather close. Done pretty well shooting iron sights to 200 and 300 yards.
Disappointed. "Cue up the African music" and it's not "AAAAAAAAHHHHH ZEBENYAAAAA" from the Lion King.
"I BLESS THE RAINS DOWN IN AAAAAAAAAAAAAFRICAAAAAAAAAAAA..."
@@theartofshwa Toto lol
Proberly copyrighted
I was thinking something from Blackhawk Down.
Corona virus will ruin that trip.
I love it when John flips his NCO switch and shows a bit of his Military Mode
Every Marine watching this freaked out when he dropped his rifle on the ground.
LOL... they are a bit high strung when it comes to their rifles. I've had my buddies give me no end of shit cause I treat mine like John does. Screw it, if it can't take the abuse I need a better one.
I’m still freaking out.
@@jamesshannon88 Lol, you should have seen what John did to MY rifle, er, pistol to get the brace on shorter. You would have taken your last gasp!
I was like WTF 😳
So did I but he does have a good point. If that little drop messed it up, then you got bigger problems.
This is the video I've wanted for weeks now! Been really interested in zero theory the past couple of weeks!
Mike is going to be so excited that this made it to UA-cam 🤣
Thanks very much, John. Great advice as always. Will be including your tips and recommendations on my next trip to range--because, yes, I have chased the Zero Rabbit all over the damn place! Keep up the great work!
What is your opinion on the 36 yard zero?👍🇺🇸
WNC Tarheel that’s what i use now and I love it!
38 yard zero is superior.
Strelok app. Learn it, use it, love it. Everyone's zero preference will be subjective. Use the zero YOU love, not someone else's.
I will only use a 69 yard zero
36 Yards for 300 zero on the M16-A2...that's how I learned.
I watch this about every month to ensure I understand the science. Thanks, JL.... you’re the best!
"bleach blond hair.... and a bang energy drink" XD
Vitaly?
I'm carrying around a rangefinder at all times! Use my Leica for work all the time. Now that I think about it, that might be why I'm better at judging ranges than they are, from all the outside measuring I do for a living.
John; I expect an instagram of you holding your AR up on a rock like in Lion King. Don't make me beg.
Great video. Understanding parallax as a physical concept can can be tough for the beginner. One drill that really helps is to show them direct evidence that can set off a bell in their head...sort of an 'Ahhhahhhh' moment. Give the student an AR that is zeroed at 100 M and have them shoot a decent group at 100 M. Then have them shoot the same unaltered gun/optic at 10 M while keeping the dot on the bullseye and let them see the group there...of course it will drop. Then have them press the muzzle against the bullseye of the target point blank so they can see how the optic is so much higher than the true impact point if they were to fire at 0 M. This gives the mind the idea of 'the angular distance between the optic and the reality of a projectile exiting the barrel, not exiting the optic". This works wonders for those who are struggling with the concept.